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Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 5  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4435 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 17016 times:
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Please continue the discussion here as part 4 was getting quite lengthy.

Previous thread:

Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 4 (by PHX787 Dec 14 2012 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 17026 times:

Welcome to part five!

If you guys haven't already be sure to "like" PHX Spotters on Facebook.


As you know already i got accepted into Sophia university in Tokyo and will be leaving in march. I am sad but I will continue to be an admin on PHX spotters and continue this thread. I will need this thread more than ever to keep up with aviation news coming out of here  


From the last thread:
quoting aztrainer:
I believe it is a seasonal thing and will go back 7 days a week soon

I see that's good  
I think the ELT was a false alarm. Someone said that the ABX plane reported it "3 miles behind" which would have been right at sky harbor so I guess everything is ok.


See you guys around here   PM me if you want to go spotting somewhere sometime.
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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16896 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
From the last thread:
quoting aztrainer:
I believe it is a seasonal thing and will go back 7 days a week soon

But it just went to seven days a week in December..



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1230 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16745 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
Someone said that the ABX plane reported it "3 miles behind" which would have been right at sky harbor so I guess everything is ok.

2.5mi is minimum separation at P50/PHX ATCT on final provided traffic is visual. FAA allows facilities to drop below 3.0mi (standard separation on final) provided the average Runway Occupancy Time is ≥ 50secs over 250 landings for each primary landing runway in each direction -- so 1,000 landings total for 8, 26, 7R, and 25L. I know this because I was the lucky SOB intern who got to spend the better part of a month up in PHX ATCT to record that average a few years ago. Go me   . I won't name names (cough, anything Airbus), but some aircraft are completely crap at getting the hell off of the runway.

Anyway, 3.0-2.5mi in-trail of a large aircraft provided the trail aircraft is a large or heavy is actually a good thing...anything more than a 3.0 mile hole on final is considered unacceptable at places like NY Approach, SOCAL, Chicago, etc. As long as the in-trail aircraft is the same weight class or heavier, 2.5+ mi is legal. If ABX actually complained about 3.0mi in-trail, tough s**t.


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 609 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 16653 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 2):
But it just went to seven days a week in December..

Could this just be a bump for seasonal holiday traffic and then goes back down to 6 times a week. I thought that it picks back up to seven days a week in March. I just looked at the first week in March and it is seven days a week.


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16623 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 4):
Could this just be a bump for seasonal holiday traffic and then goes back down to 6 times a week. I thought that it picks back up to seven days a week in March. I just looked at the first week in March and it is seven days a week.


There were several weeks over the slower winter months where the route was scheduled to run only 6 times per week. The route goes daily again February 12th.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 16601 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 3):

The Abex was taking off and was completing a turn to the east.....



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1230 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 16545 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
The Abex was taking off and was completing a turn to the east.....

Still visual. As long as there's 15 degrees of diversion or the lateral separation is increasing to 4mi, it's legal and very common. Provided the lead aircraft isn't a heavy and they are on opposite departures (half of the SIDS turn north, the other half south), the trail aircraft can be cleared for takeoff when the lead aircraft >6,000' down the runway and rotating. Everything at PHX is visual so there's a lot of leeway on separation standards.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 16394 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 3):
If ABX actually complained about 3.0mi in-trail, tough s**t.

Nothing was ever said about separation:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
I think the ELT was a false alarm. Someone said that the ABX plane reported it "3 miles behind"

ELT = Emergency Locator Transmitter. P50 was getting a hit on one, and per procedure asked other flights to help ping where it was coming from.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16263 times:

OK I was walking on University drive by ASU earlier and I saw a UPS 767 flying around back and forth, right and left, in some odd pattern, and looked like it was stalling before the aircraft began to rev up again and continued for a landing---it was also very very low.

Now what was going on here?



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 671 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16256 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 9):
OK I was walking on University drive by ASU earlier and I saw a UPS 767 flying around back and forth, right and left, in some odd pattern, and looked like it was stalling before the aircraft began to rev up again and continued for a landing---it was also very very low.

Now what was going on here?

Perhaps it was performing a maneuver to slow down and increase separation before landing? Outside of that, I'm not sure.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16247 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 10):
Perhaps it was performing a maneuver to slow down and increase separation before landing? Outside of that, I'm not sure.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS2876/history/20130205/2135Z/KSDF/KPHX

At the very end he yawed to the right then back to the left, but it looked like he was already going quite slow



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 16214 times:

So with F9 outsourcing all outstations (including PHX) will they just pack up ship and move their operations to AZA?


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16117 times:

Plane crash at Casa Grande airport today leaving two souls deceased  


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User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16080 times:

Media is reporting that the aircraft involved in the crash at CGZ was a Beechcraft King Air registered to a company in Tucson. No other identification has been released at this time.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 16031 times:

N908NN Landed just now (New livery AA) and is departing tomorrow morning at 9:25 per PHX Spotters. Anyone who's gonna make it out there, I'll be there  


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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15968 times:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=430192957057266&set=pb.119493661460532.-2207520000.1360217300&type=3&theater

Not a fan of the new scheme, not a fan of it at all



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 15948 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 9):
Now what was going on here?

Sounds like S turns either to lose altitude or increase separation. I've had them happen on occasion coming in to TUS.

Speaking of TUS, if anyone cares, Southwest Shamu 1, 334SW, is sitting on pallets, devoid of gear and engines at the old Hamilton ramp. They've really started bringing in a lot of new frames. Old Vietnam Airlines A320s, an Air Moldova A320, a Northern Air Cargo 733, plus a bunch of WN 733s. Saw them when I landed here this afternoon.


User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1230 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 15932 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 9):
Quoting chrisair (Reply 17):
Sounds like S turns either to lose altitude or increase separation.

Most likely for separation. It's a very common practice that can buy the tower ("local") controller some breathing room. When things get busy, they sometimes happen every few minutes. Since they won't usually ask for a speed change (nor would it generally make enough of a difference on final), an S turn can open up a big gap.

I doubt it would be for altitude unless something weird happened (e.g. wind, vector from go-around, somebody blew it, etc.).


User currently onlineRaventech From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15867 times:

Allegiant Hawaii from AZA starts tomorrow morning (arrives this evening). Leaves at 7:30am.

User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15793 times:

Since we can't reply to the other thread about AA/US   PHX787: the SkyTrain extension for T3 will open in 2015. Looks like they're making good progress on it.

Now, I think the real question is when will the SkyTrain actually open. It wasn't Feb 5 like the bus driver predicted late last month.


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15766 times:

Quoting Raventech (Reply 19):
Allegiant Hawaii from AZA starts tomorrow morning (arrives this evening). Leaves at 7:30am.

Indeed it does, I wonder what load factors are like

Quoting PHX787 from the T3 T4 thread: "Well they're not modernized like international gates at, lets say, LAX, DFW, DTW, etc etc. 2 boarding bridges, separate concourse hallways for arrivals and departures, lounge right by the departure area, etc etc"

I do not know how the international process works unlike ATL,LAX,BOS,etc but why fix the system if it is not broken. It seems to be working fine besides how much more can they do on the international area?

[Edited 2013-02-07 23:18:02]


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15747 times:

Guys lets just keep the impact stuff on the master thread for now. I think Jetblueguy22 had a good idea there. But the questions raised here have nothing to do with the impact.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 20):
PHX787: the SkyTrain extension for T3 will open in 2015. Looks like they're making good progress on it.

Yeah indeed, you can clearly see where the sky train station for t3 will be.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 20):
Now, I think the real question is when will the SkyTrain actually open. It wasn't Feb 5 like the bus driver predicted late last month.

Last I heard it's Feb. 20, from a guy from US Airways.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 21):
I do not know how the international process works unlike ATL,LAX,BOS,etc but why fix the system if it is not broken. It seems to be working fine besides how much more can they do on the international area?

Well it's not fixing a broken object, it's improving an already decent service. I think two jetbridges serving the BA 744 would probably make things a bit better. Last I heard it takes forever to board that thing.



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15747 times:

There isn't much room nor need for dual jetways for one lonely BA flight, or even for any future service. Many airports around the world seem to get away with only one. Also, the BA lounge is, like, right above the concourse in PHX.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 21):
It seems to be working fine besides how much more can they do on the international area?

Not much, unless they want to widen the concourse or extend and somehow utilize the third level for a boarding area.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15739 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 22):
Last I heard it's Feb. 20, from a guy from US Airways.

I'll believe it when I see it actually carrying people.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 22):
I think two jetbridges serving the BA 744 would probably make things a bit better.

I think most gates at LAX are only using one jetbridge. At least the main ones in use currently.


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15872 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeCr9B4RFqA

Check out the video around 21:00. They talk about the T3 redevelopment plans. Some screens from the presenation:




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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 671 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 15787 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 25):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeCr9B4RFqA

Check out the video around 21:00. They talk about the T3 redevelopment plans. Some screens from the presenation:


That looks very interesting, Seems like a viable solution for Skyharbor. Close T2 and expand T3, and if need be expand T4 as well. It would make PHX a nice airport to travel through.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 27, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15922 times:

Everyone keeps talking about expanding T4. Once the last wing is built, west of the D gates, there's nowhere else to go for T4.

I'll sure be sad for T2 to go. That parking setup is the best around. Plane to car in

[Edited 2013-02-08 10:49:08]

User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15895 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 25):

Looks very nice.. Hope it gets approved.



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User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15861 times:

The aircraft involved in the crash at CZG on 06FEB13 has been identified as a 1997 Beech E-90 King Air N555FV. The identities of the two deceased has not been released.

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=153103


User currently offlineAllegiantFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15790 times:

Has anyone been able to catch the G4 757 at IWA? Honolulu service should of started by now

User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 671 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 15795 times:

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 30):


Has anyone been able to catch the G4 757 at IWA? Honolulu service should of started by now


The first AZA-HNL flight departed at 7:30 this morning, I'm hoping to try and see it on Monday when it departs. The flight times being used are not good to taking pictures unfortunately.



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User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15769 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/findflight/KIFP/KIWA

What's a republic e jet doing at gateway?


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 33, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15744 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 32):

What's a republic e jet doing at gateway?

Probably a charter.



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User currently onlineRaventech From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15747 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 31):

I was there this morning and got some pics, will post any good ones once I get them back (old school film camera).


User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 671 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 15683 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 32):
http://flightaware.com/live/findflight/KIFP/KIWA

What's a republic e jet doing at gateway?

Republic is going to be flying the casino charters now since they won the contract. The routes were being flown by G4 MD-87s. I'm assuming that's why it was here.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 36, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15553 times:

So anyone grab a photo of the G4 at AZA going to HNL?

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 35):
Republic is going to be flying the casino charters now since they won the contract. The routes were being flown by G4 MD-87s. I'm assuming that's why it was here.

I didn't think G4 operated those?



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 671 posts, RR: 1
Reply 37, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15544 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 36):
I didn't think G4 operated those?

They have three, N945MA, N948MA and N949MA,They are set to be retired in March I believe, since they lost the casino contract to Republic. When G4 first started flying to AZA in 2007 they used the two MD-87s for the service. I flew on 948MA when the service started, and I have to say those 87s are like rockets.

[Edited 2013-02-10 20:57:41]


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User currently onlineRaventech From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15547 times:

Got these on the first flight Friday morning.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa196/tech44290/p1_zps3bcd3bac.png
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa196/tech44290/p2_zpsd8ca321e.png


User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1230 posts, RR: 2
Reply 39, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 15474 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 25):

It's a neat concept but I think that's all it'll be. T2 needs to close, but given the work put into it in recent years and the new fandangled walkway from the Sky Train, it suggests they don't want to give it up for a while. With the $1b+ price tag on the Sky Train, I'm not sure they can justify spending another half billion to add no new growth (not that it's needed). The potential US/AA merger adds some skepticism too, because if they make cuts, T2 could potentially close without needing to replace the gates.

I think it's a great idea with less than great timing, so we'll have to see what happens. Something needs to happen though -- that whole West Terminal thing ain't happening by 2020.

Quoting Raventech (Reply 38):

Nice pics! I'm of the opinion that the 757 with winglets is one of the better looking airplanes out there, so I'm looking forward to seeing something other than the slew of Maddogs and stupid Airbii.


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15408 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 39):
It's a neat concept but I think that's all it'll be. T2 needs to close, but given the work put into it in recent years and the new fandangled walkway from the Sky Train, it suggests they don't want to give it up for a while. With the $1b+ price tag on the Sky Train, I'm not sure they can justify spending another half billion to add no new growth (not that it's needed). The potential US/AA merger adds some skepticism too, because if they make cuts, T2 could potentially close without needing to replace the gates.

But alot of those projects need to be done because of current capacity in the terminal. Security is a nightmare when it gets backed up. There is a serious lack of concessions post security. Some things on the project can be held off like moving the ticket counters, expanding curbside, expanding baggage claim, and redoing the whole south concourse. Just move HA and realign parking gate spots and jetways the south end will have enough gate space for UA's operation along with B6 while DL, SY, HA, F9, and AS are on the north side, there are three open gates and lots of office space.



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 671 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15396 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 36):
So anyone grab a photo of the G4 at AZA going to HNL?

Here's a few.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8387/8466781980_715980474f_c.jpg
Allegiant B757-200 N906NV by KoryC757, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8102/8465685427_2364f39ab9_c.jpg
Allegiant B757-200 N906NV by KoryC757, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8095/8466781912_93fe5a4dcf_c.jpg
Allegiant B757-200 N906NV by KoryC757, on Flickr



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 42, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 15357 times:

Holy crap guys....there's a QR A342 sitting at south cargo now....   


Anyone with info on departure date, PLEASE post here! I want to film it!

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 41):
Allegiant B757-200 N906NV by KoryC757, on Flickr

That last one was impressive. Work on that one a bit and submit it here! 



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 671 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15247 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 42):
Holy crap guys....there's a QR A342 sitting at south cargo now....


Anyone with info on departure date, PLEASE post here! I want to film it!

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 41):
Allegiant B757-200 N906NV by KoryC757, on Flickr

That last one was impressive. Work on that one a bit and submit it here!

Thanks....The A342 will likely be here for at least a week, its here for the Scottsdale Arabian Horse show.



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1230 posts, RR: 2
Reply 44, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15183 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 40):
But alot of those projects need to be done because of current capacity in the terminal. Security is a nightmare when it gets backed up. There is a serious lack of concessions post security. Some things on the project can be held off like moving the ticket counters, expanding curbside, expanding baggage claim, and redoing the whole south concourse. Just move HA and realign parking gate spots and jetways the south end will have enough gate space for UA's operation along with B6 while DL, SY, HA, F9, and AS are on the north side, there are three open gates and lots of office space.

I'm not debating the current states of T2 or T3 -- I fly out of T2 on UA several times per month and while it is convenient, getting through security at 5am is a nightmare and everything closes post-security by 8pm (except the bar near the UA Club). T3 is a security nightmare several times per day. Both were built for an aviation industry that no longer exists.

My point was that if the AA-US merger goes through (which I still have my doubts), it's fairly clear that PHX will face some pretty substantial cuts making an expansion of T3 unnecessary. If that's the case, UA and ZK could move to T4N, which has been discussed for several years now. There's room for AS in T3 particularly if the AA flights begin operating from T4N. While T3 needs some remodeling -- particularly on security checkpoints and post-security amenities -- I think there's a more immediate need to vacate T2.

Expanding T3 would be incredibly expensive and be nothing more than a band-aid. If they're going to spend upwards of $500M, it should be spent on a more permanent solution that would ideally be completed by the early-2020s.


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 609 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15088 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 44):
My point was that if the AA-US merger goes through (which I still have my doubts), it's fairly clear that PHX will face some pretty substantial cuts making an expansion of T3 unnecessary. If that's the case, UA and ZK could move to T4N, which has been discussed for several years now. There's room for AS in T3 particularly if the AA flights begin operating from T4N. While T3 needs some remodeling -- particularly on security checkpoints and post-security amenities -- I think there's a more immediate need to vacate T2.

While I agree with some points, I think here are some differentiating opinions. If AA/US becomes one then they will eliminate some flights from PHX. This will then cause a lessening of seats to those destinations that some other airlines may pick up. If this is the case this would cause the frequency of T-3 usage to go up if they shut T2 down and move UA and AS to T-3.

As you stated T-2 and T-3 were built before the 9/11 structure of aviation and are inherently inefficient in some aspects. I could see an expansion of T-3, but I cannot see this with the shut-down of T-2 at the same time as it would eliminate too many gates. The major problem I see with T-2 is that it cannot be expanded and with the date of construction would probably be cost prohibitive due to the remediation that would need to take place due to asbestosis in the building itself. Of then these cost will outweigh the added cost of a new terminal.

The sad fact is that this is all conjecture until we know the effect of a combined US/AA. Will PHX see a downturn, yes. How long will that be is the unknown factor. Also with AZA increasing in popularity, will it have an effect on PHX growth and redevelopment?


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 46, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15065 times:

Heads up- QR Amiri flight taking off today at 1:30. Aircraft is Airbus A-340-200. Most likely runway are the 25s and 7s depending on wind. This was confirmed by multiple people in PHX Spotters.

:D Look for a video from me as well later today  



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 47, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15014 times:

http://youtu.be/iAUhqn46xfE

Excuse the self-plug but this takeoff was beautiful! (And my camera sucks)



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3047 posts, RR: 9
Reply 48, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14967 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 47):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripod  



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 49, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14885 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 48):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripod

I use one! I just have a very very bad video setting on my camera. When I go to Japan in March I'm getting a Nikon D3100 and a better tripod.



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User currently offlinePHXFlyer16 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14876 times:

Ok, I've been lurking for awhile. Too much going on now to not join. A couple of thoughts on various topics.

First of all, I happened to becoming back from lunch and I heard a thunderous noise, my office is at the end of the south runways so it's not uncommon, but I had to look. It was the QR 342 taking off right over my head, beautiful.

As far as the T3 expansion/remodel goes... I honestly hate the layout. I imagine they are sick of the way the piers get clogged up in T4 so they opted for a horizontal concourse, but it is so unbalanced. The only thing that I can think of is that when future expansion warrants they could make it symmetrical by extending a set of gates to the east. There looks to be enough room if you move the fire station. Then, in 2030 or so you could duplicate that layout on the north side of T3.

One thing I always loved about PHX is the symmetry. It makes it seem very organized and well thought out versus airports that have 8 different terminals, all in different shapes. Just my $.02.

Finally.. The merger! I hate to see it as I travel frequently and exclusively on Star. I know we'll lose flights, but I hope they are wise enough to keep the mountain west direct. I could not imagine having to connect through DFW or LAX to get to SAN, SFO, LAS, RNO, SJC, etc. I would be forced to take SW. And I say forced because there are plenty of business travelers like me whom value a pre-selected seat, first class upgrade and redeeming miles for international travel much more than a fricken buddy pass!

I believe that while SW may grow huge, we may never see another 300 flight per day operation from anyone but southwest. Maybe AS would take a foothold and I can see VX entering now that it's not star-to-star between SFO and PHX. I also believe PHX787 is right in that all legacies would increase frequencies and HA would add a flight or two, but I think Mexico and Canada would sink a bit and any prospects for LH returning or any other intercontinental flights quickly fade. We'd also certainly lose The Costa Rica flight.


User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14830 times:

Aza will grow I think because of the merger

User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1230 posts, RR: 2
Reply 52, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14867 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 45):
While I agree with some points, I think here are some differentiating opinions. If AA/US becomes one then they will eliminate some flights from PHX. This will then cause a lessening of seats to those destinations that some other airlines may pick up. If this is the case this would cause the frequency of T-3 usage to go up if they shut T2 down and move UA and AS to T-3.

As you stated T-2 and T-3 were built before the 9/11 structure of aviation and are inherently inefficient in some aspects. I could see an expansion of T-3, but I cannot see this with the shut-down of T-2 at the same time as it would eliminate too many gates. The major problem I see with T-2 is that it cannot be expanded and with the date of construction would probably be cost prohibitive due to the remediation that would need to take place due to asbestosis in the building itself. Of then these cost will outweigh the added cost of a new terminal.

The sad fact is that this is all conjecture until we know the effect of a combined US/AA. Will PHX see a downturn, yes. How long will that be is the unknown factor. Also with AZA increasing in popularity, will it have an effect on PHX growth and redevelopment?

I can agree to disagree  

If UA and ZK move anywhere, it will almost certainly be to T4. If AA vacates T3S, that leaves three open gates, which is more than enough to accommodate AS (and UA/ZK if for some stupid reason they go to T3 instead).

If AA/US get through the regulatory process and inevidible lawsuits, there will be reductions and likely some routes eliminated from PHX. BUT, if anyone picks up the slack, it's WN. AA/US would probably not change any routes they compete with other carriers from T3...ATL JFK SLC LAX MSP DTW DEN HNL BOS, etc. Those are all major markets that I think would probably stay fairly consistent.

You're definitely right when you say it's all conjecture. Way too many unknowns. I'm still dumbfounded as to why US thinks they can buy out someone else without having finished the last one. The fact that any company would not only keep, but now promote, a CEO who has allowed contractual limbo for seven freaking years is beyond me.

As for AZA, it will continue its insane growth but I don't think it will negatively impact PHX ops by any measurable amount for several more years. Most of the traffic Gateway currently handles is from pax who would otherwise not fly to begin with. I would accept the argument that if AZA wasn't around NK would probably be serving PHX, but G4's massive success is due in large part to AZA being what it is and so perfectly fitting its business model. F9 doesn't count because it sounds like they're flying empty metal. Once AZA starts stealing carriers from PHX or it lands a major, then it's safe to say that business at PHX is truly being affected by AZA. Until then, I'm of the opinion that AZA merely compliments PHX rather than stifles growth.

Quoting PHXFlyer16 (Reply 50):
Ok, I've been lurking for awhile. Too much going on now to not join. A couple of thoughts on various topics.

First of all, I happened to becoming back from lunch and I heard a thunderous noise, my office is at the end of the south runways so it's not uncommon, but I had to look. It was the QR 342 taking off right over my head, beautiful.

As far as the T3 expansion/remodel goes... I honestly hate the layout. I imagine they are sick of the way the piers get clogged up in T4 so they opted for a horizontal concourse, but it is so unbalanced. The only thing that I can think of is that when future expansion warrants they could make it symmetrical by extending a set of gates to the east. There looks to be enough room if you move the fire station. Then, in 2030 or so you could duplicate that layout on the north side of T3.

One thing I always loved about PHX is the symmetry. It makes it seem very organized and well thought out versus airports that have 8 different terminals, all in different shapes. Just my $.02.

Finally.. The merger! I hate to see it as I travel frequently and exclusively on Star. I know we'll lose flights, but I hope they are wise enough to keep the mountain west direct. I could not imagine having to connect through DFW or LAX to get to SAN, SFO, LAS, RNO, SJC, etc. I would be forced to take SW. And I say forced because there are plenty of business travelers like me whom value a pre-selected seat, first class upgrade and redeeming miles for international travel much more than a fricken buddy pass!

I believe that while SW may grow huge, we may never see another 300 flight per day operation from anyone but southwest. Maybe AS would take a foothold and I can see VX entering now that it's not star-to-star between SFO and PHX. I also believe PHX787 is right in that all legacies would increase frequencies and HA would add a flight or two, but I think Mexico and Canada would sink a bit and any prospects for LH returning or any other intercontinental flights quickly fade. We'd also certainly lose The Costa Rica flight.

Welcome to a.net! (Or as a poster, anyway..)

As for your T3 comments, I agree that lopsided isn't pretty and I'm not convinced a somewhat sloppy-looking addition is worth the $500M that could otherwise go into a more sensible and future-proofed development.

I will have to say I respectfully disagree with your comment on PHX being symmetrical. Too much aircraft parking is on the north side while more runways are on the south side and only three taxiways to connect them. A fourth runway is a pipe dream and there is a serious lack of taxiway and ramp space. The terminal layout is unfortunately very haphazard and because they aren't physically connected, it has required PHX spend upwards of $1.3B (so far) on their silly Sky Train. Had the terminals been planned in a more logical manner (i.e. connected), the airport would operate far more efficiently than it currently does. The part PHX did get right was having three parallel runways -- without that, the airport would struggle to handle even half of the traffic it does today. If they can build the proposed West Terminal by 2025, the airport could effectively and efficiently operate from two large terminals rather than one large terminal, one small terminal, and one stupid terminal.

I fly *A and have had Star Gold for a while, so having US likely switch to OW is disappointing. I almost always fly UA and am used to connections, but losing the ability for a non-stop option (which has saved my sorry ass on several occasions that I would have otherwise misconnected) on a *A carrier is a bummer. Some routes will be right-sized (ergo down-gauged or shifted to Express) and others may be eliminated, but most things should be relatively unchanged...apart from some of the US fleet being painted for the second time in as many years, but this time from the good-looking, clean US scheme into the train wreck that is AA's new fandangled livery.

For the last part, VX has been courted by PHX and AZA for some time. They'll come eventually, but their fleet isn't growing all that quickly so we may be waiting a while. I'm not convinced AS or HA would increase their service. UA and DL have had fairly robust ops for some time, so I don't know if there's much growing room even with the merger.

Again, welcome! Just to give you a head start -- feel free to ignore everything I say because I'm usually full of crap.


User currently offlineAllegiantFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 14847 times:

Ok everyone,we fought strong and AA itself was proud to announce no de-hubbing of PHX. Let this be a reminder to everyone to always be on the right side of history.We will see what goes on from here

User currently offlinePHXFlyer16 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 14803 times:

Thanks for the welcome!

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 52):
I fly *A and have had Star Gold for a while, so having US likely switch to OW is disappointing. I almost always fly UA and am used to connections, but losing the ability for a non-stop option (which has saved my sorry ass on several occasions that I would have otherwise misconnected) on a *A carrier is a bummer. Some routes will be right-sized (ergo down-gauged or shifted to Express) and others may be eliminated, but most things should be relatively unchanged...apart from some of the US fleet being painted for the second time in as many years, but this time from the good-looking, clean US scheme into the train wreck that is AA's new fandangled livery.

Let's hope that's what actually happens. They can say anything they want today, but I guess only time will tell. I was doing more flying to the east coast but will now be traveling almost exclusively to the west coast, so I hope they keep most flights. I don't think I could justify going through DEN or SFO to get to LAS, SNA, SAN, SJC, etc.

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 52):
For the last part, VX has been courted by PHX and AZA for some time. They'll come eventually, but their fleet isn't growing all that quickly so we may be waiting a while. I'm not convinced AS or HA would increase their service. UA and DL have had fairly robust ops for some time, so I don't know if there's much growing room even with the merger.

I was actually referring to if America pulled down PHX significantly and killed the Hawaii flights and alot of the west coast operations. I could see HA adding more flights, I could see AS moving in slowly as they already have a strong presence in the LA area and SAN, so they would definitely connect those dots. Also, I believe VX would move in quickly if there was a significant pulldown at PHX. Otherwise, I believe it will be some time before we see VX here.


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 609 posts, RR: 1
Reply 55, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 14767 times:

Quoting PHXFlyer16 (Reply 54):

I was actually referring to if America pulled down PHX significantly and killed the Hawaii flights and alot of the west coast operations. I could see HA adding more flights, I could see AS moving in slowly as they already have a strong presence in the LA area and SAN, so they would definitely connect those dots. Also, I believe VX would move in quickly if there was a significant pulldown at PHX. Otherwise, I believe it will be some time before we see VX here.

I agree with HA adding the 330 to PHX, but that was to happen eventually. As of a flight booked on 12/21 - 12/28 it is still a 763. With a 321NEO it would be interesting if HA would add a PHX-OGG or PHX-LIH, BUT that is way in the future. I also do not think that US/AA will eliminate these flights as they do not require more space in LAX.

I also agree about AS adding flights slowly and testing the markets. As for VX, I do not know as they seem to be in financial trouble at the time. I do not know if this would be the right time to add flights for them. I think the big winner would will be WN on any pull-downs of US/AA flights

I love hearing that the media stating that there will not be a significant effect on PHX from this merger, but there are no details to publish yet. Sure, Parker can say anything that he wishes, but that will not make it true. Will PHX still be a "hub", yes. What is the actual term of a Hub in the new US/AA system is still to be determined.


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3047 posts, RR: 9
Reply 56, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14712 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 55):
I love hearing that the media stating that there will not be a significant effect on PHX from this merger, but there are no details to publish yet. Sure, Parker can say anything that he wishes, but that will not make it true. Will PHX still be a "hub", yes. What is the actual term of a Hub in the new US/AA system is still to be determined.

I'm originally from Pittsburgh. This conversation sounds depressingly familiar.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 57, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 14657 times:

I was reading quite a few articles on the merger today, and they were stating that AA almost needed PHX for its mountain-west presence. Those articles basically say everything I've been saying: LAX is not a connecting hub domestically, and PHX is best suited for western domestic connections. PHX and DFW also apparently do not overlap at all, according to 3 articles.


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User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 14629 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 57):
I was reading quite a few articles on the merger today,

If you are going to reference information, could you please provide the source? If it is on the internet a link, if it is in print, the name of the publication, month/issue, etc.

Without a reference, it is nothing but heresay.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 59, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 14635 times:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayi...s-safe-in-american-merger/1919039/


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User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 14635 times:

Thanks for the link, PHX787.

While there are a number of people stating that the hub in PHX will remain, what has to be looked at is how many people connect through PHX on US that might be able to now fly nonstop on a current AA route? That is the number that will determine how the current US flight schedule could be trimmed and if PHX or CLT or even PHL remain as a "hub".


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 61, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 14558 times:

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 60):
Thanks for the link, PHX787.

There was one more article I remember from the AP but I can only access it from their iPad app, if you're looking for more reference.

I guess only time will tell what happens.

If any of you got any photos of the QR A342, post them here! (this goes out to Kory and aztrainer and the other photographer guys)



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 62, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 14550 times:

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 53):

Ok everyone,we fought strong and AA itself was proud to announce no de-hubbing of PHX. Let this be a reminder to everyone to always be on the right side of history.

AA said the same thing about SJC with AirCal and RenoAir.

I wouldn't trust a thing those scumbags from DFW.

Quoting PHXFlyer16 (Reply 50):
I imagine they are sick of the way the piers get clogged up in T4 so they opted for a horizontal concourse


T3 was built long before T4 and long before the congestion that's present over there. FWIW, the only thing I've heard that's happening to T3 is a new security checkpoint on the Delta side. They need it.

And I'm not really sure why all the hate from the locals about T2 (aside from security, but that's TSA, not the design). The parking situation is awesome there. I was in my car this evening five minutes from when I stepped off the plane.

Quoting PHXFlyer16 (Reply 54):
I could see AS moving in slowly as they already have a strong presence in the LA area and SAN, so they would definitely connect those dots.


I don't think AS will go up against WN on those markets. They're a relatively unknown down here, unless you're from up north. Besides, DL does PHX-LAX just fine as an AS codeshare. I take those flights all the time.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 63, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14480 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 52):

If UA and ZK move anywhere, it will almost certainly be to T4.

I really doubt UA will, now that US will be dropping *A for OW as part of the merger with AA. I could definitely see ZK moving to B15 at T4. UA and AS will likely take over the 3 gates AA uses at T3.

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 52):
I'm still dumbfounded as to why US thinks they can buy out someone else without having finished the last one. The fact that any company would not only keep, but now promote, a CEO who has allowed contractual limbo for seven freaking years is beyond me.

That's not how it is at all.

Let's just say that when Parker and his staff tried to get the ball rolling once and for all with the pilots, both pilot groups threatened to sue the company, which led to US asking the courts to clarify what they can and can't do, a question which the courts have never actually answered.

The simple fact is that if this merger is seen through to the finish, the pilot issues will become moot.

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 53):
Ok everyone,we fought strong and AA itself was proud to announce no de-hubbing of PHX.

Delta said the same thing about CVG, and United said the same thing about CLE.

Quoting 4holer (Reply 56):
I'm originally from Pittsburgh. This conversation sounds depressingly familiar.

True. However, the economics that caused the PIT hub to close are very different than the economics that are affecting PHX. Besides, PIT was already in the initial stages of it's downsizing back in 2004. By the time 2006 rolled around, it was less than half the size of it's peak.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 64, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14451 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 63):
I really doubt UA will, now that US will be dropping *A for OW as part of the merger with AA. I could definitely see ZK moving to B15 at T4. UA and AS will likely take over the 3 gates AA uses at T3.

UA has more then a three gate operation.. They would be a perfect fit on T3S but AS is a two gate operation, they would move to T3N where there are three open gates. Once HA moves to T3N, there will be a enough space to put a jetway back on Gate 7 and there will be six gates plus the commuter gate which UA could use for RJ ops or even ZK if they did not want to move to T4

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 63):
Delta said the same thing about CVG, and United said the same thing about CLE.

     



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 609 posts, RR: 1
Reply 65, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 14392 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 61):
If any of you got any photos of the QR A342, post them here! (this goes out to Kory and aztrainer and the other photographer guys)

I was at work and missed the whole thing. I used to have a classroom that I could watch departures from PHX, but I moved to a different room and lost the view.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 57):
I was reading quite a few articles on the merger today, and they were stating that AA almost needed PHX for its mountain-west presence. Those articles basically say everything I've been saying: LAX is not a connecting hub domestically, and PHX is best suited for western domestic connections. PHX and DFW also apparently do not overlap at all, according to 3 articles.

On one of morning shows. (12) they stated that PHX is needed as the western hub and LAX will move to the international hub. This would mean the days of 2 flights or more an hour to/from LAX would be seen again. I remember when HP and WN did that in the early 90's. During the morning and evening peak times you could get on two to three flights in an hour. I still think this is conjecture and nothing will be known for a while. If there is a large pull-down in PHX there are surely more airlines to take the space and flight load.

They also stated that there is not "much" cross-over in the routes that AA and US fly.

Are they going to keep the MX in PHX also or will they move that to LAX or DFW? I would assume that it cost less to have a plane parked in PHX than in LAX or DFW, but I do not know.

On a side note, I wonder how much influence the US people had with this new AA branding? The Cubana flag is (if you take enough drugs) kind of like the US tail. They dropped Airlines from the planes so that they could feasible call the new airlines American Airways. I know they have said that they will keep American Airlines.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 66, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14376 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 63):
True. However, the economics that caused the PIT hub to close are very different than the economics that are affecting PHX. Besides, PIT was already in the initial stages of it's downsizing back in 2004. By the time 2006 rolled around, it was less than half the size of it's peak.

Wasn't PIT downsized because they refused to let US have cheaper rates at the airport? PHX is cheap already, not sure if this is going to happen for PHX.



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User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 2019 posts, RR: 21
Reply 67, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14331 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 66):
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 63):
True. However, the economics that caused the PIT hub to close are very different than the economics that are affecting PHX. Besides, PIT was already in the initial stages of it's downsizing back in 2004. By the time 2006 rolled around, it was less than half the size of it's peak.

Wasn't PIT downsized because they refused to let US have cheaper rates at the airport? PHX is cheap already, not sure if this is going to happen for PHX.

It did play a small contributing factor, but it was more or less something to point to as reason to down-size PIT. Let's just say US management weren't particularly distraught over pulling PIT down, two large hubs in the same state just didn't make sense in the post-9/11 airline industry.


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 68, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14209 times:

Interesting article from the Republic about the end of an era now that the US headquarters are moving to DFW.

http://www.azcentral.com/business/us...ways-america-west-an-era-ends.html


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3047 posts, RR: 9
Reply 69, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14106 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 67):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 66):Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 63):
True. However, the economics that caused the PIT hub to close are very different than the economics that are affecting PHX. Besides, PIT was already in the initial stages of it's downsizing back in 2004. By the time 2006 rolled around, it was less than half the size of it's peak.

Wasn't PIT downsized because they refused to let US have cheaper rates at the airport? PHX is cheap already, not sure if this is going to happen for PHX.
It did play a small contributing factor, but it was more or less something to point to as reason to down-size PIT. Let's just say US management weren't particularly distraught over pulling PIT down, two large hubs in the same state just didn't make sense in the post-9/11 airline industry.

All true. But I was referring more to the lip service. PIT got constant reassurances that all was well, when in fact the airline had decided to dehub. Now PHX is getting those same reassurances, which may be genuine, or not....



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2766 posts, RR: 1
Reply 70, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14092 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 69):
PIT got constant reassurances that all was well, when in fact the airline had decided to dehub. Now PHX is getting those same reassurances, which may be genuine, or not....

I certainly would want to be at least one person to wish all well with this merger.

But the more I hear these airline execs, and then followed by the respective civic leaders of governors, mayors, etc, all chiming in about how this merger is going to be increasing everything for them and everybody else, well....... I just have to    and it seems to me rather ironic that I almost want to laugh.......

Anyways..... may everyone get what they're looking for here with this merger........

And if anything is to be increasing, may it be employees of this corporate marriage. However, I really can't think offhand of a merger where there were to be more employees needed.........


 


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 71, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14111 times:

I know PHX is going to be affected in some way by the merger, either in a good way or bad way, but at this point, none of us know, and only time can tell.

I think we should discuss the merger in the appropriate threads. However, any US aircraft painted in the AA livery that make a trip to PHX... I'd like to see those here.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 72, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13931 times:

Merger news aside, anyone got any info on how the G4 hawaii flights are doing, now they've had a few weeks to settle in at AZA?

And how's that going compared to US and HA's hawaii ops?



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 609 posts, RR: 1
Reply 73, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13792 times:

Small plane forced to land in Chandler field at Cooper and Riggs Road

http://www.azcentral.com/community/c...ash-lands-chandler-field-abrk.html


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 74, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13640 times:

The BA is beginning to land in the sunset now. Go get 'em, spotters!


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User currently offlineAustwin From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13568 times:

Aside from the effect on employment, I'd rather see more foreign carriers serving PHX than larger US/AA aircraft. Since he is the CEO I think he has significant insight into the situation.



User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 76, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 13541 times:

Spotters! An A-330 is landing at 5:00 this afternoon according to PHXSpotters page. Expect gates B23 or 25.

Quoting Austwin (Reply 75):

Aside from the effect on employment, I'd rather see more foreign carriers serving PHX than larger US/AA aircraft. Since he is the CEO I think he has significant insight into the situation.




Agreed and I think people are starting to see where PHX lies in all of this, as the western hub.



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 609 posts, RR: 1
Reply 77, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13528 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 76):
Spotters! An A-330 is landing at 5:00 this afternoon according to PHXSpotters page. Expect gates B23 or 25.

Is this a charter from Japan for Spring Training or the World Baseball Classic?

World Baseball Classic starts March 7th and the Class D pool is in Phoenix with:

USA, Mexico, Canada and Italy


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 78, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13523 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 77):
Is this a charter from Japan for Spring Training or the World Baseball Classic?

I wonder...but it's not showing up on Flightaware; no Japanese airlines fly the 330, it's not US as per the boys on PHXSpotters....

I'm starting to think it's LH coming back to announce the return of service in epic fashion      

Edit- According to one source, it's not LH coming back in epic fashion  crying 
BUT it is QR Amiri picking up some people ----apparently. it's all heresay

[Edited 2013-02-24 11:45:35]


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User currently offlineAllegiantFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13500 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1-b-b6PHRs

Everyone please do watch this video,as it can calm ourselfs of De-hubing fears


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 80, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13482 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 77):
World Baseball Classic starts March 7th and the Class D pool is in Phoenix with

So that's why hotels are outrageously expensive that night.  


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 81, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13455 times:

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 79):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1-b-b6PHRs

Everyone please do watch this video,as it can calm ourselfs of De-hubing fears

That really does not assure anything. It is to soon to tell what will happen if PHX gets dehubbed or not, I think there will be a loss of service but what do I know, it is just speculation. I am also saying they are not getting more service. It will be an interesting to watch what unfolds over the next couple years



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 609 posts, RR: 1
Reply 82, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 13434 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 81):
That really does not assure anything. It is to soon to tell what will happen if PHX gets dehubbed or not, I think there will be a loss of service but what do I know, it is just speculation. I am also saying they are not getting more service. It will be an interesting to watch what unfolds over the next couple years

Agree

I also do not believe anything that Parker says, but I also think that IF they do the PHX is the western intercontinental hub and LAX being a International hub would make sense. This would cause a taxi service between LAX and PHX. I think that there will be a draw down of service in PHX, but not to the extent of people have been stating.

I have been here long enough that people look at their home airport as the best and everything else is expendable. It seems illogical (to me) for the new AA to move most of the operation of PHX to DFW/LAX as that would just add more traffic to DFW/LAX and cause more of a nightmare if anything goes wrong.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 80):
So that's why hotels are outrageously expensive that night.

That and spring training and Spring break. Prime time for Arizona hotels.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 83, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days ago) and read 13441 times:

Holycrap that was the A-342 again guys.
Look for a bunch of photos on the PHX Spotters page. If you haven't liked us yet, do it now  

https://www.facebook.com/PHXSpotter
http://i46.tinypic.com/2dlvxn7.jpg

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 84, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13310 times:

PHX News time people~

http://www.azcentral.com/community/m...amed-gateway-airport-director.html
AZA getting a new airport director

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/about_us/ne...sday-huh-porn-movies-at-sky-harbor
The airport apparently is becoming a very popular location for porn movies.....what?   

http://centreforaviation.com/news/ph...012-404-million-pax-in-2012-208763
"Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport: pax up 3%, cargo down 4% in Dec-2012; 40.4 million pax in 2012" Nice.



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User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13250 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 84):
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/about_us/ne...sday-huh-porn-movies-at-sky-harbor
The airport apparently is becoming a very popular location for porn movies.....what?

We are coming to the end of the February TV sweeps and every station in town has their investigative reporters trying to find and sensationalize any story that will grab viewers. More viewers = able to ask more for their advertisement space.

I would suspect that any filming at Sky Harbor is background type stuff (people arriving or departing on a plane). With many adult video companies in the San Fernando Valley, many of them used to film background scenes at Hollywood/Burbank airport.


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 86, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13212 times:

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 85):

Not saying that I go out looking for this stuff, but there have been at least a couple actual scenes filmed in the T4 garage looking out over the north and south ramps. Not background stuff if you catch my drift.



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3047 posts, RR: 9
Reply 87, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13213 times:

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 85):
We are coming to the end of the February TV sweeps and every station in town has their investigative reporters trying to find and sensationalize any story that will grab viewers. More viewers = able to ask more for their advertisement space.

God Bless America. Consider this viewer grabbed. I'll be watching!

And while visiting the roof of T4 garage with my little boy once, there was a couple in the SE corner outside of their car doing their best to recreate a scene from one of these flicks...



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 609 posts, RR: 1
Reply 88, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13167 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 87):
And while visiting the roof of T4 garage with my little boy once, there was a couple in the SE corner outside of their car doing their best to recreate a scene from one of these flicks...

And yet the spotters get hawked by the security and Risky Business is filming.

I now know what some people were doing as there were two large SUV's parked in a L shape one time. They kept on looking at what I was doing on T-4 North.



Quoting PHX787 (Reply 83):
Holycrap that was the A-342 again guys.

Must be to pick up the Arabian Horse show people.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 89, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13131 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 86):
Not saying that I go out looking for this stuff, but there have been at least a couple actual scenes filmed in the T4 garage looking out over the north and south ramps. Not background stuff if you catch my drift.
Quoting 4holer (Reply 87):
And while visiting the roof of T4 garage with my little boy once, there was a couple in the SE corner outside of their car doing their best to recreate a scene from one of these flicks...
Quoting aztrainer (Reply 88):
And yet the spotters get hawked by the security and Risky Business is filming.

Yeah really. I go to T-4 at least every other week and I'm pretty much glad i haven't seen any of this....do they get permission from the airport to do this, or are they risking getting charged with indecent exposure to do this?

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 88):
Must be to pick up the Arabian Horse show people.

Yep precisely. Departed around 7PM that day.



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 609 posts, RR: 1
Reply 90, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13022 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 89):
Yeah really. I go to T-4 at least every other week and I'm pretty much glad i haven't seen any of this....do they get permission from the airport to do this, or are they risking getting charged with indecent exposure to do this?

I would think that this is NOT something that Phoenix would allow in the open with their permission. I would think that they would get an indecent exposure charge as the least.

I would also like to know if the guys in the tower have seen this type of behavior.


User currently offlinefutureatp From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12990 times:

Ok, ill admit it. I have ran across two separate adult themed flicks that were filmed at T-4. One was in the parking garage on the south side as WN tails (no pun intended) were visible. The other was in an elevator. I recognized the carpet. Once again, no pun intended. Neither were actual sex scenes but scenes of a female flashing her goods so to speak.

Now the airport officials can be as nonchalant as they want about this. Truth is indecent exposure can get you a sex offense charge in the State of Arizona. I almost learned this the hard way after relieving myself in the parking lot of a Peoria bar in 2008. Right in plain sight of a of an officer. I really thought I was going to be arrested but he let me go with a warning. Helped that my group had a DD.


User currently offlineosubuckeyes From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12889 times:

With UA ending CLE-PHX is it possible that US/AA, or WN come in to fill in the gap. I can't remember the last time PHX didn't have a nonstop to CLE. If anyone has the PDEW that would be much appreciated.

Also, I talked with a friend who is in the planning department at ASU and he quite firmly stated that Sky Harbor has been buying up land parcels near property in order to plan for a 4th runway. I did not ask him where this was located, but I was wondering if anyone else had heard about this. I did look in sky harbor budgeting and there seemed to be a number of real estate projects, but nothing that indicated plans for an additional runway.


User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 671 posts, RR: 1
Reply 93, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12858 times:

Boeing B-29 Superfortress N529B "FIFI" is going to be at IWA this afternoon through Sunday March 3rd. It will then be at DVT from the 4th to the 6th of March.
http://www.airpowersquadron.org/#!schedule/c1yws



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3047 posts, RR: 9
Reply 94, posted (1 year 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 12742 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 93):
Boeing B-29 Superfortress N529B "FIFI" is going to be at IWA this afternoon through Sunday March 3rd. It will then be at DVT from the 4th to the 6th of March.

Missed it yesterday, but will be watching for it.
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Rare-Bo...II-lands-in-Phoenix-193109181.html



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1230 posts, RR: 2
Reply 95, posted (1 year 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 12729 times:

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 92):
With UA ending CLE-PHX is it possible that US/AA, or WN come in to fill in the gap. I can't remember the last time PHX didn't have a nonstop to CLE. If anyone has the PDEW that would be much appreciated.

Also, I talked with a friend who is in the planning department at ASU and he quite firmly stated that Sky Harbor has been buying up land parcels near property in order to plan for a 4th runway. I did not ask him where this was located, but I was wondering if anyone else had heard about this. I did look in sky harbor budgeting and there seemed to be a number of real estate projects, but nothing that indicated plans for an additional runway.

CLE-PHX isn't ending it's going seasonal, last I checked. Did you see otherwise?

The 4th runway has been in some phase of planning for a very long time -- I've been aware for at least five years. Ain't gonna happen for three reasons..

1 - Honeywell has a very sweet leasing deal from the city that would cost big money to move them.
2 - The similarly expensive light rail runs along Washington that would have to be re-routed (I have no idea how it would impact the two stops near PHX and the brand new Sky Train).
3 - Even if PHX had 10 runways, we can only depart one jet at a time. PHX signed a ridiculous deal several years ago with Tempe dictating the traffic flows (east flow v west flow), which also limits IFR departures on SIDs to depart based on the PXR VORTAC. New RNAV departure procedures aren't too far off, but the problem is still the same -- only one at a time.

The only purpose for a 4th runway would be for simultaneous departures, but unless some big things change in their LOA with Tempe, a 4th runway is useless.


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3047 posts, RR: 9
Reply 96, posted (1 year 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 12699 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 95):
3 - Even if PHX had 10 runways, we can only depart one jet at a time. PHX signed a ridiculous deal several years ago with Tempe dictating the traffic flows (east flow v west flow), which also limits IFR departures on SIDs to depart based on the PXR VORTAC. New RNAV departure procedures aren't too far off, but the problem is still the same -- only one at a time.

Ouch! Is there an endpoint to this agreement, 10 or 15 years or something?



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 97, posted (1 year 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 12698 times:

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 92):
I can't remember the last time PHX didn't have a nonstop to CLE. If anyone has the PDEW that would be much appreciated

Here are the DOT figures for O&D (from Table 1A) for the last 4 quarters of available data (expressed in PDEW):

city pair.....4Q11...1Q12...2Q12...3Q12
CLE-PHX....199......186.....179......162
CLE-PDX.....48........32.......56.......63 (These numbers have been checked and ARE correct!)

Now anyone who can explain UA's move here (to replace CLE-PHX with CLE-PDX) wins a gold star!

Someone on one of the many other threads discussing this topic said that UA was looking for yield and mentioned that PHX-CLE in the summer is trash fares and very low yields. Well, I don't know about yields but if UA desires to have a PDX-bound plane flying maybe what, 1/3-to-1/2 full with "high" yields as opposed to a PHX-bound plane probably 3/4 full of "low" yielding fares, I guess that's their call.

Ever since I saw the first thread revealing the start of the PDX-CLE flight for the summer, I have been trying to figure out why. Sure, there must be some expected connection traffic over CLE but there has to be something besides last years O&D numbers that UA has that we don't. I'd love to know UA's Route Planning's reasoning here...

  

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 98, posted (1 year 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 12683 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 97):
Ever since I saw the first thread revealing the start of the PDX-CLE flight for the summer, I have been trying to figure out why.

It could simply be that PDX was lacking red-eye service heading east during the summer vs. what PHX needed for yet another daylight flight to the east. The flight from PHX which gets replaced departs at 11am. That flight takes up a plane for a good part of the day which may be useful elsewhere, while PDX can utilize a 737 which might be sitting RON at CLE overnight.



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 99, posted (1 year 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 12651 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 97):
city pair.....4Q11...1Q12...2Q12...3Q12
CLE-PHX....199......186.....179......162
CLE-PDX.....48........32.......56.......63 (These numbers have been checked and ARE correct!)



With a fleet as large as UA, you cannot correlate the elimination of PHX with addition of PDX. There were many cities that saw increases and reductions in service, so this PDX versus PHX comparison is ridiculous to begin with.

Nevertheless, just for discussion purposes, assuming this is a 1 for 1 replacement, people continue to place WAYYYYYY to much emphasis solely on PDEWs without factoring in additional information.

What percentage of the O&D traffic was UA getting on the PHX-CLE route? If UA is only getting 25% of the O&D on PHX-CLE, but 75% on PDX-CLE, then UA is actually capturing more O&D passengers on the PDX route than on the PHX route even though PHX has more total O&D passengers to CLE than PDX does.

Are the PDX-ORD flights extremely full with O&D passengers, therefore requiring a CLE flight for connecting passengers? How have O&D stats been trending on this route and what is driving the trend? How does UA's FF base in PDX compare to that of PHX? What competition exists on the CLE-PHX versus CLE-PDX route and who are those competitors? Is there better aircraft utilization? etc., etc., etc.

My assumption is that with AA gone from the ORD-PDX route, UA is probably seeing a huge increase in O&D traffic on their ORD-PDX route, thus allowing little room for connecting passengers. The CLE flight was probably added to handle more of the lower yielding connecting traffic as well as support the local O&D traffic.


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 100, posted (1 year 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 12620 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 95):
2 - The similarly expensive light rail runs along Washington that would have to be re-routed (I have no idea how it would impact the two stops near PHX and the brand new Sky Train).

It wouldn't. There's plenty of room between Washington and 8/26 for a new runway to fit, they're just over 2,500 feet apart (from centerline). In fact, they could probably do it between the southern UPRR ROW and the current north boundary fence which has about 1,200 usable feet from the centerline.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 101, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12574 times:

Just landed earlier this evening and heard the Air Train is 30-60 days away because cracks have developed "all over" the tracks. When I left on Monday, there were construction crews jackhammering away all over the tracks by the east economy garages. Makes you wonder why they couldn't find the cracks during construction over the last five years.

Quoting 4holer (Reply 87):
And while visiting the roof of T4 garage with my little boy once, there was a couple in the SE corner outside of their car doing their best to recreate a scene from one of these flicks...
Quoting aztrainer (Reply 88):
I now know what some people were doing as there were two large SUV's parked in a L shape one time. They kept on looking at what I was doing on T-4 North.

I went onto the T4 and T3 garages during the eclipse and a haboob last year. Sadly I only saw dust and the eclipse. No boobs.  I would imagine the folks in the tower would have a great view of anyone on the garage roof.

Quoting futureatp (Reply 91):
I almost learned this the hard way after relieving myself in the parking lot of a Peoria bar in 2008. Right in plain sight of a of an officer.

That wasn't very smart.  


User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1230 posts, RR: 2
Reply 102, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12574 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 96):
Ouch! Is there an endpoint to this agreement, 10 or 15 years or something?

Good question. I have no idea. I'm sure there's some lifespan to it, but unless PHX forks over some cash to Tempe, I don't think they'll be too receptive to change. The whole situation that PHX got themselves into is pretty FUBAR.

Quoting wn676 (Reply 100):
It wouldn't. There's plenty of room between Washington and 8/26 for a new runway to fit, they're just over 2,500 feet apart (from centerline). In fact, they could probably do it between the southern UPRR ROW and the current north boundary fence which has about 1,200 usable feet from the centerline.

I wasn't saying they might have to realign Washington St. and the light rail, I was implying that they will have to realign them. They were aware of this before the light rail was constructed, so it's not a new issue.


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 609 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12550 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 95):
The 4th runway has been in some phase of planning for a very long time -- I've been aware for at least five years. Ain't gonna happen for three reasons..

You also forgot the railway spur for the Southern Pacific that runs north of the airport. There is no place to put or relocate the tracks.

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 95):
3 - Even if PHX had 10 runways, we can only depart one jet at a time. PHX signed a ridiculous deal several years ago with Tempe dictating the traffic flows (east flow v west flow), which also limits IFR departures on SIDs to depart based on the PXR VORTAC. New RNAV departure procedures aren't too far off, but the problem is still the same -- only one at a time.

It was started in the late 80's to mitigate the sound from the old 727's and 737's. I believe that it was in the 90's that it went into effect. Since then the sound of planes has reduced greatly, but you still have the NIMBY complain about any sound. Heck, I work a mile away from the flightpath to PHX in Tempe and when I am in my classroom, I cannot hear anything. The problem now is that it is active is for PHX to convince the people of Tempe that it is in their best interest to allow simultaneous takes-offs.

The most logical place for a fourth runway would be south. The problem with that is that it makes three runways there and they would have to move ANG, Swift and Cutter.


User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 671 posts, RR: 1
Reply 104, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12517 times:

Allegiant's new A319 has entered service now. Its been running AZA-FAR-AZA the past two days and its done an AZA-DLH-AZA turn as well. It's scheduled to land at AZA at 1:30PM this afternoon as AAY139.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY139



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 105, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12455 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 102):
I wasn't saying they might have to realign Washington St. and the light rail, I was implying that they will have to realign them. They were aware of this before the light rail was constructed, so it's not a new issue.

Why would they? You can easily fit a runway and a center taxiway south of the UP ROW going by the spacing they used when 25L/7R was built. Or at least with minimal realignment to the rail line, but Washington doesn't seem to be in the way at all. Unless they want half a mile of spacing between the runways.



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User currently offlineAllegiantFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 106, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12367 times:

World Airways made an Appearance in Arizona Today,Which rarely ever happens unless they are going to the Goodyear airport to be Demolished. Took off from NYL in Yuma bound for DFH.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/WOA8802


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 107, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 12343 times:

I'm going to rely on all of you to be posting photos now! Just made it back to Cincy and will leave for NRT in 3 weeks.

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 95):

The 4th runway has been in some phase of planning for a very long time -- I've been aware for at least five years. Ain't gonna happen for three reasons..

Is it absolutely necessary, anyway? I mean seems like capacity is fine, aside from the occasional delays with the hold bays. Also see this:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 95):
3 - Even if PHX had 10 runways, we can only depart one jet at a time. PHX signed a ridiculous deal several years ago with Tempe dictating the traffic flows (east flow v west flow), which also limits IFR departures on SIDs to depart based on the PXR VORTAC. New RNAV departure procedures aren't too far off, but the problem is still the same -- only one at a time.

That's not going to change for some time. Tempe City Council does NOT want simultaneous departures at all, and unless the composition of the council changes (   ) I doubt we'll see any changes like that.

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 106):
World Airways made an Appearance in Arizona Today,Which rarely ever happens unless they are going to the Goodyear airport to be Demolished. Took off from NYL in Yuma bound for DFH.

Hope someone got a photo!

BTW how is sequestering going to effect GYR?



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 609 posts, RR: 1
Reply 108, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12267 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 107):
BTW how is sequestering going to effect GYR?

Hard to say, but Channel 12 stated that they may be closing the tower. They made it see as GYR was a major airport with a mixture of commercial and privet traffic.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 109, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12177 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 108):
Hard to say, but Channel 12 stated that they may be closing the tower. They made it see as GYR was a major airport with a mixture of commercial and privet traffic.

I know closing a tower is no laughing matter but i mean isn't most of their flights controlled inbound by PHX ARTCC?



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User currently offlineosubuckeyes From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12129 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 99):
Nevertheless, just for discussion purposes, assuming this is a 1 for 1 replacement, people continue to place WAYYYYYY to much emphasis solely on PDEWs without factoring in additional information.

Well my question about the PDEW was based on if they warrant a year round flight. Doesn't matter if it is UA or not.

Quoting EricR (Reply 99):
What percentage of the O&D traffic was UA getting on the PHX-CLE route? If UA is only getting 25% of the O&D on PHX-CLE, but 75% on PDX-CLE

Based on the difference in PDEW it seems unlikely that they capture less O&D on PHX-CLE than PHX-PDX. It is possible, but it would make me wonder why they would serve the route in the first place if they were capturing such a low percentage on a monopoly route.

Quoting EricR (Reply 99):
How have O&D stats been trending on this route and what is driving the trend? How does UA's FF base in PDX compare to that of PHX? What competition exists on the CLE-PHX versus CLE-PDX route and who are those competitors?

Obviously I can't say what the trend is but I would think PDEW is significant enough that there would a be at least one year round nonstop flight. Not sure about FFbase, but possibly the merger may have something to do with UA going seasonal? If I am not mistaken there is no competition on either route.

It is an interesting discussion, but I just wonder why nobody would serve a route when in the not so distant past there have been 2x daily even in the summer. Sometimes 3x if I recall correctly.


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3047 posts, RR: 9
Reply 111, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12110 times:

Was just out walking the dog and saw this take off from IWA. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY1002 As you can see, it turns left and climbs over Gilbert. Can't say I've ever seen that. Is that particularly unusual or do I just not notice them doing that frequently?


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User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 386 posts, RR: 1
Reply 112, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12108 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 109):
I know closing a tower is no laughing matter but i mean isn't most of their flights controlled inbound by PHX ARTCC?

Phoenix doesn't have an ARTCC, but I assume you're referring to Phoenix Tracon (P50). But in any case, GYR traffic does in fact deal mostly with GYR tower. A vast majority of that traffic is VFR. Albuquerque Center has the airspace above and around the valley and the whole state of Arizona for that matter.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 113, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12093 times:

Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 112):
Phoenix doesn't have an ARTCC, but I assume you're referring to Phoenix Tracon (P50). But in any case, GYR traffic does in fact deal mostly with GYR tower. A vast majority of that traffic is VFR. Albuquerque Center has the airspace above and around the valley and the whole state of Arizona for that matter.

Maybe I was thinking the local tower..but couldn't PHX Local handle GYR as they do CHD and DVT?

Quoting 4holer (Reply 111):
Was just out walking the dog and saw this take off from IWA. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY1002 As you can see, it turns left and climbs over Gilbert. Can't say I've ever seen that. Is that particularly unusual or do I just not notice them doing that frequently?

I saw it once, and I think they just let them do it when there wasn't much traffic in that area.



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User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 386 posts, RR: 1
Reply 114, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12100 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 113):
Maybe I was thinking the local tower..but couldn't PHX Local handle GYR as they do CHD and DVT?

PHX does not handle GYR, CHD, DVT, SDL, FFZ, GEU, or any other airport. PHX Tower handles PHX. P50 handles the radar aspect and then hands them off to their respective airport's Tower.


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3047 posts, RR: 9
Reply 115, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12048 times:

Looks like an AN-124 inbound for a midday arrival!
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/POT4105



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 609 posts, RR: 1
Reply 116, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12029 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 115):
Looks like an AN-124 inbound for a midday arrival!

Someone is probably getting more Apaches.

Quoting 4holer (Reply 111):
Was just out walking the dog and saw this take off from IWA. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY1002 As you can see, it turns left and climbs over Gilbert. Can't say I've ever seen that. Is that particularly unusual or do I just not notice them doing that frequently?

That would of explained the sound this weekend. I live on the Chandler/Gilbert border and often get the military departures.


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3047 posts, RR: 9
Reply 117, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11964 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 115):
Looks like an AN-124 inbound for a midday arrival!

And going up to the roof to see that one, (nice cross over the field to give me, to the south, a much better view!), looking south of me down around the San Tans I could see the B-29 Fifi flying around down there!!



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 609 posts, RR: 1
Reply 118, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11952 times:

OK, I thought the AN-124 was going to IWA, but it is going to PHX. What would they be picking up at PHX? Could this be for horses that were purchased at the Arabian Horse Show? I saw a show a long time ago that showed how they were shipped in a MD-10 from FedEx.

User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 119, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11899 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 118):

They loaded two ANG helicopters that are going down to Panama. Which means this will be back sometime soon but we aren't sure when, exactly. Will depart tomorrow morning around 0800.

[Edited 2013-03-04 15:37:09]


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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 120, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11830 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 118):
Could this be for horses that were purchased at the Arabian Horse Show?

That's an awfully lot of airplane for some horses.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 118):
What would they be picking up at PHX?

Sunshine. 


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 121, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11779 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 120):
Sunshine.

Damn you guys for tormenting me here in Ohio with your epic weather!   

Quoting wn676 (Reply 119):
They loaded two ANG helicopters that are going down to Panama. Which means this will be back sometime soon but we aren't sure when, exactly. Will depart tomorrow morning around 0800.

Hmm quite interesting...what's down in Panama though? Is there still a US Army base there?



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3047 posts, RR: 9
Reply 122, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11765 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 119):
They loaded two ANG helicopters that are going down to Panama. Which means this will be back sometime soon but we aren't sure when, exactly. Will depart tomorrow morning around 0800.

Thanks for the heads up!! I read your post at 0758!



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 123, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11760 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 121):
Hmm quite interesting...what's down in Panama though? Is there still a US Army base there?

It's a humanitarian aid mission, I heard something to do with ships adrift/run aground.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 124, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11735 times:

http://avherald.com/h?article=45eac75a&opt=0

Looks like a US A321 diverted to PHX yesterday with fumes detected on board....



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User currently offlinebaileyncreme From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11710 times:

Greeting from Gilbert.

My wife and I went and visited Fifi the B-29 on Sunday @ Mesa-Gateway. Fun experience. Weather was perfect and very cloudy, but warm. We were checking out the B-24 and Fifi returned from a local tour flight. Quite a show watching her taxi in. Engines off and all were allowed to walk around and under the aircraft. Gads it is big. We stood in line for a cockpit viewing of Fifi and B-17 Sentimental Journey arrived and parked right next to Fifi. Wow. Ok so we have a B-24, a B-29 and a B-17 within a baseball throwing distance...this is great! Then we get buzzed by a P-51 Mustang Man-O-War who decides to join the airshow. It too comes in and parks next to the B-24.

The tour of the Fifi cockpit was impressive. we entered thru the bomb-bay, climbed the ladder inside then up into the front compartment. Lots of amazing history there. Well worth the visit.

The Yuma USMC Harriers treated us to a nice impromptu show also.

We were very surprised the pilot shop and the restaurant were closed. There were so many aviation geeks there, they could have really done some good business.

It sure was nice to see these historic birds flying all around our Higley neighborhood on Sunday evening.

Anyone know why the bombers run their engines at a higher rpm for quite a few minutes after parking. Wife was wondering.

Peace to all!

[Edited 2013-03-05 11:22:49]

User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 126, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11701 times:

Anyone know if you can get a ride on the B17? My uncle was a bombardier on one in the Pacific in WWII and I'm sure he would love to go for one more ride, 50+ years later.

User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 127, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11708 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 126):
Anyone know if you can get a ride on the B17?

I believe they still sell flights on it, but it's pretty pricey.



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3047 posts, RR: 9
Reply 128, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11685 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 126):
Anyone know if you can get a ride on the B17? My uncle was a bombardier on one in the Pacific in WWII and I'm sure he would love to go for one more ride, 50+ years later.

Check here...
http://www.airpowersquadron.org/#!schedule/c1yws
Edit:
Having checked that website, I see that the answer is yes, as ling as he can get himself onboard!

[Edited 2013-03-05 15:29:46]


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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 129, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11663 times:

DL is sending some A330s to PHX from NRT next week as charter for the world baseball classic. They will be parked at T4. I will be out of town so I don't get to see it, hope someone grabs some pics  


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 130, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11626 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 129):
DL is sending some A330s to PHX from NRT next week as charter for the world baseball classic. They will be parked at T4. I will be out of town so I don't get to see it, hope someone grabs some pics

   and next week I'm neither in PHX nor NRT lol

anyone have some photos from the recent race charters ?



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 131, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11564 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 129):
DL is sending some A330s to PHX from NRT next week as charter for the world baseball classic.

Next week? Doesn't that start tomorrow?


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3047 posts, RR: 9
Reply 132, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11556 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 130):
anyone have some photos from the recent race charters ?

No pics, but driving past on the 10 over the weekend I saw, probably for the last time, 2 active 727s parked next to each other over by Cutter. Didn't think either was the Coyotes jet, would have been nice to see three over there!

Looks like LH is parking a 744 today, enroute to Marana. I'll probably step outside to watch it go over since it may be the final time airborne for that plane. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH9930
Edit: Had to go back a few pages on the forum to find it, but in the LH retirement thread, this link clearly indicates that it will be her final descent over PHX after 120,000 hours flying before scrapping at Marana.
http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4&page=3

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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 609 posts, RR: 1
Reply 133, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11512 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 129):
DL is sending some A330s to PHX from NRT next week as charter for the world baseball classic. They will be parked at T4. I will be out of town so I don't get to see it, hope someone grabs some pics

I will be in Las Vegas for the start of the week, but because of Spring Break I will be open the rest of the week. Do you know what day they are arriving?

Quoting baileyncreme (Reply 125):
Anyone know why the bombers run their engines at a higher rpm for quite a few minutes after parking. Wife was wondering.

Could be to cool down the engines or to clear anything that is still in the cylinders.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 131):
Next week? Doesn't that start tomorrow?

Yep, March 7th - 10th. The bigger question is whom would they be transporting? The teams in Phoenix are USA, Mexico, Canada and Italy.


User currently offlinebaileyncreme From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 134, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11457 times:

Greetings from N. Scottsdale...


"anyone have some photos from the recent race charters ?

No pics, but driving past on the 10 over the weekend I saw, probably for the last time, 2 active 727s parked next to each other over by Cutter. Didn't think either was the Coyotes jet, would have been nice to see three over there!"


The 727's were from Roush Fenway Racing. One of them was N422BN (ex Braniff..!!)
I buzzed over and checked them out Sat afternoon. Beautiful birds. I still love to see those 727's....sigh.


User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11433 times:

Quoting baileyncreme (Reply 134):
The 727's were from Roush Fenway Racing. One of them was N422BN

The other B727 for Roush was N727NK (which has white top, red stripe and black undercarriage and tail) and was formerly used by the Miami Heat (hence the colors)

N422BN has a white top and blue stripe continuing on the tail and was a former Braniff aircraft.


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 136, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11387 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 133):
I will be in Las Vegas for the start of the week, but because of Spring Break I will be open the rest of the week. Do you know what day they are arriving?

They will be arriving tuesday evening and then the charters will depart back to NRT on Friday I believe.



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User currently offlinefreeze3192 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11312 times:

Forgive me as I don't keep very good tabs on these things, and it might not be even relevant to this thread, but a few years back there was a website that kept track of all the aircraft stored in the Southwest. I believe it was called Cactus Wings. The website seems to have been taken offline - does anyone know of an alternative or the new address of this website?

Thanks.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 138, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11310 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 119):
Will depart tomorrow morning around 0800.

The AN-124 was still here (or a new one came in) this evening. It's parked by the west economy parking lot.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 136):
They will be arriving tuesday evening and then the charters will depart back to NRT on Friday I believe.

Why are there planes going to NRT? None of the teams here are from Japan, or even Asia. Do the teams in Phoenix play in Japan in the next round?


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 139, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11281 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 138):
The AN-124 was still here (or a new one came in) this evening. It's parked by the west economy parking lot.

It left to PTY on Tuesday morning and came back yesterday around 1445. Headed down there again at 0810 this morning as POT4108. Same plane, RA-82077.

[Edited 2013-03-07 06:10:16]


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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 609 posts, RR: 1
Reply 140, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11281 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 139):
It left to PTY on Tuesday morning and came back yesterday around 1445. Headed down there again at 0810 this morning as POT4108. Same plane, RA-82077.

Did they come and get more Blackhawks?

Quoting chrisair (Reply 138):
The AN-124 was still here (or a new one came in) this evening. It's parked by the west economy parking lot.

I read that way to quickly and I thought it said it was parked in the west economy lot.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 136):
They will be arriving tuesday evening and then the charters will depart back to NRT on Friday I believe.

Thanks, I may go spotting on Friday to get out of the house.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 138):
Why are there planes going to NRT? None of the teams here are from Japan, or even Asia. Do the teams in Phoenix play in Japan in the next round?

Yes and No, Pool D (Phoenix) and Pool C (Puerto Rico) go to Miami, FLA to play next. The Second round games for pool A & B were played in Tokyo. Championships are in San Fransisco on March 17 - 18. I wonder if DL was just positioning the planes at PHX becuase it is cheaper than LAX or SFO?


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 141, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11109 times:

For those of you still in PHX   

DL is sending 2 A333s to PHX for baseball-related activities! Arrival should be around 8.



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 609 posts, RR: 1
Reply 142, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10947 times:

Does anyone know what time the DL A333's will be leaving on Friday?

User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2980 posts, RR: 3
Reply 143, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10873 times:

Hello from Japan.
Anybody confirm that the Japanese baseball team took one or two DL A333 from HND-PHX. Or something else.
Just curious. Usually, JAL does the flying but with the 787 issues.


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 144, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10851 times:

Quoting carpethead (Reply 143):

They took two A333s.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 145, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10802 times:

Quoting carpethead (Reply 143):
Usually, JAL does the flying but with the 787 issues.

They flew a 77W last year and 5Y also had their SonAir plane flying as well. Not sure why 5Y didn't do it again this year ...



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 671 posts, RR: 1
Reply 146, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10783 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 145):
They flew a 77W last year and 5Y also had their SonAir plane flying as well. Not sure why 5Y didn't do it again this year ...

Last year it was the Oakland A's that used Atlas Air to NRT, The A's and Mariners opened up the regular season in Japan. The As had 5Y and the Mariners used a JAL 77W. The Japanese team didn't fly to PHX last year, they did use JL the last time they flew here.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 147, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10677 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 146):

Since DL is a sponsor for the world baseball classic, did they pick up alot of the charter flights for all the teams?



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 609 posts, RR: 1
Reply 148, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10635 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 147):
Since DL is a sponsor for the world baseball classic, did they pick up alot of the charter flights for all the teams?

I would think so and this is logical. If you check the World Baseball Classic website DL is all over the place.

Dose anyone know when they will be leaving?


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2766 posts, RR: 1
Reply 149, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10515 times:

It appears as if ZK is going to have a daily PHX-SAF flights on the BE1 starting on May 1. Fares will start at $89 for a one way ticket.

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/new...3-71c2-5505-9078-b451274fee76.html

Certainly not earth-shattering news for the Phoenix area, but nonstop seats between the Sante Fe area and Phoenix area may be of convenience to folks both in the Phoenix and Sante Fe areas.

And good luck to ZK on this..... probably a good choice for them. They need some revenue routes for a while before UA or some other carrier steps into the routes after they've patiently managed to develop them.

 


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Reply 150, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10435 times:

Some interesting PHX news tonight:

A dog who was checked on a UA flight from EWR made an unscheduled stopover in DUB......

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/15/us/new-jersey-dog-gone/index.html



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 151, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10271 times:

Either this is a result of G4 trashing around their 757s or this flight just isn't performing well enough out of AZA:
From the OAG thread:
"Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4 AZA-HNL AUG 0.4>0.2 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.4>0"



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User currently offlinephxpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 80 posts, RR: 2
Reply 152, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10196 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 151):
Either this is a result of G4 trashing around their 757s or this flight just isn't performing well enough out of AZA

I think you will find it is neither. When an airline has a small fleet sub-type, Murphy's Law occasionally rears its head and temporary maintenance problems ensue. They certainly don't 'trash around' their airplanes. With regard to the Hawaii market, Allegiant has said internally they underestimated just how seasonal the market would be. As for HNL performance out of AZA, without revealing specific numbers, the loads are quite respectable. Aggregate LF > 90% for the remainder of March (both directions, 3x per week) and very impressive for the month of April as well.

Allegiant adjusts flight frequencies and destinations regularly based on known and projected demand, including seasonal demand. Just as you see an increase in flights in/out of AZA in the winter, so you see a draw down in the summer. AZA is one of their strongest bases, with loads often leading the other hubs. If they can make money on HNL flights, those flights will stay (although probably seasonally).

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User currently offlinePHXFlyer16 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10129 times:

Quoting phxpilot (Reply 152):
Allegiant adjusts flight frequencies and destinations regularly based on known and projected demand, including seasonal demand. Just as you see an increase in flights in/out of AZA in the winter, so you see a draw down in the summer. AZA is one of their strongest bases, with loads often leading the other hubs. If they can make money on HNL flights, those flights will stay (although probably seasonally).

Agreed. I wouldn't worry. It looks like they killed most of their Hawaii flying and reduced tons of destinations without adding anything. I know they pull down seasonally, but even Allegiant wouldn't under-utilize their places that badly. I'd expect to see many added back soon.


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 154, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10039 times:

Sky Train set to open April 8th at noon:

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/...r-international-airport-on-april-8



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 155, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10041 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 154):
Sky Train set to open April 8th at noon:

I'll believe it when I see it. I just saw they still are working on the tracks between the garage and terminal. I guess they are fixing the last of the cracks...


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 156, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10014 times:

Posted on their Facebook and some of the workers at PHX confirmed to me.


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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 157, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9976 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 129):
I will be out of town so I don't get to see it, hope someone grabs some pics  

Here you go.

 
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Peter Van Dyke - PHX Spotters

Quoting chrisair (Reply 155):
I'll believe it when I see it. I just saw they still are working on the tracks between the garage and terminal. I guess they are fixing the last of the cracks...

Well seeing as this is the first time they've officially announced a firm date and time, I'm pretty optimistic. They were testing again a few days ago.



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 609 posts, RR: 1
Reply 158, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9898 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 155):
I'll believe it when I see it. I just saw they still are working on the tracks between the garage and terminal. I guess they are fixing the last of the cracks...

Agree, I really do hope that they have it fixed, but when the initial problems who knows.

Do they test it with the cars only or do they have it loaded as it would be with people and bags?

[Edited 2013-03-22 10:21:33]

User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 159, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9885 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 157):

Thank you! Looks like a mini ATL or DTW.....

Great picture!



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 160, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9838 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 158):
Do they test it with the cars only or do they have it loaded as it would be with people and bags?

I've only seen the cars up there. The only time I've seen people on the cars is when they're parked at the station.

I doubt they're loaded up with water jugs or sandbags.


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Reply 161, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9840 times: