kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12932 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10216 times:
Here's a (very!) rough translation of the story from RAI UNO, Italian TV:
"An aircraft ATR72, from Pisa and landing at Fiumicino, went off the track. Are in place flowing emergency vehicles. To learn how the agency Adnkronos on the aircraft there would be 46 people. Two were rescued from 118in code red, but they are not life threatening. Firefighters reported that the aircraft, there were no fires."
The airline has two ATR72-500s but operated by Alitalia, in its livery.
Aesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 7852 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9638 times:
Quoting Cure (Reply 7): Dramatic contrast of air masses (warm and cold) today over central Italy, strong southwesterly winds suddendly replaced by northern gusts up to 70 kmh on the northern Appennines.
Then their take-off and flight must have already been pretty bumpy.
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SXI899 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2008, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7767 times:
Quoting muellae (Reply 13): Anybody knows the crosswind limit of an ATR? For some type of airline and aircraft the crosswind there was already beyond the limits.
I believe that the max demonstrated crosswind on the ATR72 is 35kts.
Note that although the METAR indicated winds of 250 at 28 gusting 41, that was 12 minutes prior to the landing attempt, so the actual winds that the tower give the crew could have been different (ie. well within limits).
Thomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2437 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6695 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 17): Acc to AVHerald carpatair is now suspended from flying.....
Alitalia has temporarily suspended its wet-lease agreement with Carpatair for the two ATR 72-500s, this one (YR-ATS) involved in the incident and another one YR-ATR. Carpatair's own operations with their remaining fleet (1 B737-300, 3 Fokker 100, five Saab 2000s) are not affected.
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vio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1518 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5825 times:
I have flown with Carpatair quite a few times, both internal flights in Romania as well as inter-European flights; mostly on the Saab 2000 but also on their Fokkers. I have found Carpatair to have great service and awesome crews. I'm surprised this happened but before I give my (worthless) two cents, I want to know what the investigators have to say about this.
I hope this doesn't spell KRP's demise.
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I guess it's the same plastic film it's used for advertisement on trains, buses...
Quoting SXI899 (Reply 15): I believe that the max demonstrated crosswind on the ATR72 is 35kts.
I've just heard on tv with wet runway 35kt, dry 45kt. Don't actually know if it was wet or dry in FCO at that time?
Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 14): I believe Carpartair has been the subject of bad press in Italy just recently. Maybe that has something to do with it...
There has just been a bad trail of accidents and weird events on flights operated by Carpatair on behalf of Alitalia since march 2012 (AOI-FCO, PSA-FCO and BLQ-FCO), once it was a pressurization problem and they had to return, another time a fuel leaking, and I cannot be mor precise on that, but I don't think it's just a question of pilot unions ramping up a bad accident with 16 injured passengers and crews, I also guess standards of quality has been seen as jeopardized by the service of this particular company from Alitalia's point of view.