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Carpatair PSA-FCO Runway Overrun At FCO  
User currently offlineCure From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9305 times:

Just popped out in the news (www.rainews24.it) and checked on www.ansa.it

A Carpatair (Romanian flight) landing from Pisa supposedly overrun the runway at Leonardo Da Vinci, Rome's Int'l Airport, which is supposedly closed now (??)

Any more accurate infos? Thanks in advance, I'll be able to read just later...

...more on tv: flight was operating for Alitalia (edited for more news)

[Edited 2013-02-02 13:13:45]

29 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9229 times:

Here's a (very!) rough translation of the story from RAI UNO, Italian TV:

"An aircraft ATR72, from Pisa and landing at Fiumicino, went off the track. Are in place flowing emergency vehicles. To learn how the agency Adnkronos on the aircraft there would be 46 people. Two were rescued from 118in code red, but they are not life threatening. Firefighters reported that the aircraft, there were no fires."

The airline has two ATR72-500s but operated by Alitalia, in its livery.


User currently offlinecornutt From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 338 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9130 times:

That doesn't sound very good. Hope everyone on board is OK.

User currently offlineCure From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9031 times:

I'm reading the ATR is slightly banked at the side of the 3rd runway with broken undercarriage and damaged blades, debris lying on runway and no fire, but 6 injured, among them one seriously.

What livery is wearing the stranded aircraft?

Flight was operated with AZ, but I think the plane and crew was Carpatair...

On January the 7th the same flight had a serious problem after taking off from PSA and was forced to return...

Today the aircraft supposedly landed long in strong winds, and wind is already claimed as a major factor

First passengers interviewed said the plane "landed twice and hard"...


User currently offlinecornutt From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 338 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8998 times:

Couple of tidbits from aviation-safety.net:

The aircraft involved appears to be YR-ATS.

Wind reported as 250 at 28 knots, gusting to 41.


User currently offlineWolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8978 times:

http://www.youreporter.it/img.php?cut=1&w=943&h=280&quality=83&prefix=custom_&src=/uploads/images/home/incidente-aereo.jpg

User currently offlineAlasizon From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8959 times:

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 5):

At first look, it appears that two of the blades on the prop may be sheared off partially



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User currently offlineCure From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8937 times:

Dramatic contrast of air masses (warm and cold) today over central Italy, strong southwesterly winds suddendly replaced by northern gusts up to 70 kmh on the northern Appennines.

From YouReport.it I'm learning the aircraft is (sadly) in Alitalia colors with romanian numbers and crew (4). Co-pilot is the most seriously injured, but not at risk of life.

Wind can be certainly be a factor, but not the cause itself, since the outernmost runway towards the sea is the one currently used for landings, after the accident...


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8651 times:

Quoting Cure (Reply 7):
Dramatic contrast of air masses (warm and cold) today over central Italy, strong southwesterly winds suddendly replaced by northern gusts up to 70 kmh on the northern Appennines.

Then their take-off and flight must have already been pretty bumpy.



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User currently offlinetjr16698 From Italy, joined Feb 2004, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8576 times:

There are a series of photos here. Just click on the arrows
Seems like a flight attendant has injured her back and a passenger has a broken femur. Others were injured less seriously by items falling from the overhead bins.
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/foto...d86-11e2-8cda-116f437864e3.shtml#1


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10631 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7708 times:

Looks like that the end for this bird, with the whole belly ripped open.

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3059 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7536 times:

Av Herald says it bounced hard on landing then right gear bent causing the veer off the runway, also says that the F/O has a serious spinal injury.

And I guess AZ got out there with some spray paint because the aircraft is completely white now, all AZ name logo and stripes removed.

http://avherald.com/h?article=45d25cc2&opt=0



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User currently offlinerojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2442 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7440 times:

An ex American Eagle frame N533AT... Looks like AZ only has 1 AT7, how are they going to operate flights thats that were supposed to be flown with this machine?

User currently onlinemuellae From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7109 times:

Anybody knows the crosswind limit of an ATR? For some type of airline and aircraft the crosswind there was already beyond the limits.

User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 876 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6801 times:

Surprised to see how fast they removed the Alitalia livery on one side leaving just the Romanian registration...

I believe Carpartair has been the subject of bad press in Italy just recently. Maybe that has something to do with it...


User currently offlineSXI899 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2008, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6780 times:

Quoting muellae (Reply 13):
Anybody knows the crosswind limit of an ATR? For some type of airline and aircraft the crosswind there was already beyond the limits.

I believe that the max demonstrated crosswind on the ATR72 is 35kts.
Note that although the METAR indicated winds of 250 at 28 gusting 41, that was 12 minutes prior to the landing attempt, so the actual winds that the tower give the crew could have been different (ie. well within limits).



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User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 876 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6699 times:

Quoting rojo (Reply 12):
An ex American Eagle frame N533AT... Looks like AZ only has 1 AT7, how are they going to operate flights thats that were supposed to be flown with this machine

They can lease another one. There are a few available on the market as well as they can supplement with another type for a short while


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7175 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5786 times:

Acc to AVHerald carpatair is now suspended from flying.....


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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5708 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 17):
Acc to AVHerald carpatair is now suspended from flying.....

Alitalia has temporarily suspended its wet-lease agreement with Carpatair for the two ATR 72-500s, this one (YR-ATS) involved in the incident and another one YR-ATR. Carpatair's own operations with their remaining fleet (1 B737-300, 3 Fokker 100, five Saab 2000s) are not affected.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2897 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5187 times:

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 14):
Surprised to see how fast they removed the Alitalia livery on one side leaving just the Romanian registration...

I'm surprised they painted over all the windows too.

I think this airframe is toast.



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User currently offlinevio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4838 times:

I have flown with Carpatair quite a few times, both internal flights in Romania as well as inter-European flights; mostly on the Saab 2000 but also on their Fokkers. I have found Carpatair to have great service and awesome crews. I'm surprised this happened but before I give my (worthless) two cents, I want to know what the investigators have to say about this.

I hope this doesn't spell KRP's demise.



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4653 times:

Quoting na (Reply 10):
Looks like that the end for this bird, with the whole belly ripped open.

Have to agree, it does look badly damaged and if the aircraft is not brand new then probably not worth an expensive repair.

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 14):
Surprised to see how fast they removed the Alitalia livery on one side leaving just the Romanian registration...

Yeah, very quick reaction by Alitalia to limit their association with this accident.

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 11):
also says that the F/O has a serious spinal injury.

I hope the F/O and anybody else with injuries makes a positive recovery.


User currently offlineCure From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 19):
I'm surprised they painted over all the windows too.

I guess it's the same plastic film it's used for advertisement on trains, buses...

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 15):
I believe that the max demonstrated crosswind on the ATR72 is 35kts.

I've just heard on tv with wet runway 35kt, dry 45kt. Don't actually know if it was wet or dry in FCO at that time?

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 14):
I believe Carpartair has been the subject of bad press in Italy just recently. Maybe that has something to do with it...

There has just been a bad trail of accidents and weird events on flights operated by Carpatair on behalf of Alitalia since march 2012 (AOI-FCO, PSA-FCO and BLQ-FCO), once it was a pressurization problem and they had to return, another time a fuel leaking, and I cannot be mor precise on that, but I don't think it's just a question of pilot unions ramping up a bad accident with 16 injured passengers and crews, I also guess standards of quality has been seen as jeopardized by the service of this particular company from Alitalia's point of view.


User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 11):
And I guess AZ got out there with some spray paint because the aircraft is completely white now, all AZ name logo and stripes removed.

Is this common practice? European news sites are reporting on the repainting.

http://www.lastampa.it/2013/02/04/it...6a8In7dX0ZhGFSj8sVdPCN/pagina.html (Italian)


User currently offlinepapertec From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

Quoting LH422 (Reply 23):
Is this common practice? European news sites are reporting on the repainting.

Definitely not:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...ashed-alitalia-plane-a-881301.html


25 AR385 : It´s pretty much SOP for all airlines. You may wish to take a look in the database on airliners that have suffered an accident that does not necessa
26 rfields5421 : An entire aircraft in 12-16 hours is unusual, but having the tail painted before dawn the next day is common. Delta did that with a B727 at DFW. It r
27 Post contains links anfromme : Indeed - there are quite a few examples you can find without too much hassle. I'm sure there are more out there, but here are a few photos: http://ww
28 YYZYYT : Indeed - I can recall a few images from news that I have seen over the years that are not found in that list... The thing I wondered about is why the
29 Post contains links anfromme : Well, it's not that big an aircraft, and it actually looks like they went for an all-out attack with paint (rather than a clean job) - they even pain
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