Cure From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7837 times:
Just popped out in the news (www.rainews24.it) and checked on www.ansa.it
A Carpatair (Romanian flight) landing from Pisa supposedly overrun the runway at Leonardo Da Vinci, Rome's Int'l Airport, which is supposedly closed now (??)
Any more accurate infos? Thanks in advance, I'll be able to read just later...
...more on tv: flight was operating for Alitalia (edited for more news)
kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11948 posts, RR: 37 Reply 1, posted (3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7761 times:
Here's a (very!) rough translation of the story from RAI UNO, Italian TV:
"An aircraft ATR72, from Pisa and landing at Fiumicino, went off the track. Are in place flowing emergency vehicles. To learn how the agency Adnkronos on the aircraft there would be 46 people. Two were rescued from 118in code red, but they are not life threatening. Firefighters reported that the aircraft, there were no fires."
The airline has two ATR72-500s but operated by Alitalia, in its livery.
Cure From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7563 times:
I'm reading the ATR is slightly banked at the side of the 3rd runway with broken undercarriage and damaged blades, debris lying on runway and no fire, but 6 injured, among them one seriously.
What livery is wearing the stranded aircraft?
Flight was operated with AZ, but I think the plane and crew was Carpatair...
On January the 7th the same flight had a serious problem after taking off from PSA and was forced to return...
Today the aircraft supposedly landed long in strong winds, and wind is already claimed as a major factor
First passengers interviewed said the plane "landed twice and hard"...
Cure From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7469 times:
Dramatic contrast of air masses (warm and cold) today over central Italy, strong southwesterly winds suddendly replaced by northern gusts up to 70 kmh on the northern Appennines.
From YouReport.it I'm learning the aircraft is (sadly) in Alitalia colors with romanian numbers and crew (4). Co-pilot is the most seriously injured, but not at risk of life.
Wind can be certainly be a factor, but not the cause itself, since the outernmost runway towards the sea is the one currently used for landings, after the accident...
Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4763 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7183 times:
Quoting Cure (Reply 7): Dramatic contrast of air masses (warm and cold) today over central Italy, strong southwesterly winds suddendly replaced by northern gusts up to 70 kmh on the northern Appennines.
Then their take-off and flight must have already been pretty bumpy.
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tjr16698 From Italy, joined Feb 2004, 61 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7108 times:
There are a series of photos here. Just click on the arrows
Seems like a flight attendant has injured her back and a passenger has a broken femur. Others were injured less seriously by items falling from the overhead bins. http://www.corriere.it/cronache/foto...d86-11e2-8cda-116f437864e3.shtml#1
rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2395 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5972 times:
An ex American Eagle frame N533AT... Looks like AZ only has 1 AT7, how are they going to operate flights thats that were supposed to be flown with this machine?
SXI899 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2008, 194 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5312 times:
Quoting muellae (Reply 13): Anybody knows the crosswind limit of an ATR? For some type of airline and aircraft the crosswind there was already beyond the limits.
I believe that the max demonstrated crosswind on the ATR72 is 35kts.
Note that although the METAR indicated winds of 250 at 28 gusting 41, that was 12 minutes prior to the landing attempt, so the actual winds that the tower give the crew could have been different (ie. well within limits).
fpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 754 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5231 times:
Quoting rojo (Reply 12): An ex American Eagle frame N533AT... Looks like AZ only has 1 AT7, how are they going to operate flights thats that were supposed to be flown with this machine
They can lease another one. There are a few available on the market as well as they can supplement with another type for a short while
Thomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2264 posts, RR: 31 Reply 18, posted (3 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4240 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 17): Acc to AVHerald carpatair is now suspended from flying.....
Alitalia has temporarily suspended its wet-lease agreement with Carpatair for the two ATR 72-500s, this one (YR-ATS) involved in the incident and another one YR-ATR. Carpatair's own operations with their remaining fleet (1 B737-300, 3 Fokker 100, five Saab 2000s) are not affected.
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vio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1283 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3370 times:
I have flown with Carpatair quite a few times, both internal flights in Romania as well as inter-European flights; mostly on the Saab 2000 but also on their Fokkers. I have found Carpatair to have great service and awesome crews. I'm surprised this happened but before I give my (worthless) two cents, I want to know what the investigators have to say about this.
I hope this doesn't spell KRP's demise.
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Cure From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2224 times:
Quoting Spacepope (Reply 19): I'm surprised they painted over all the windows too.
I guess it's the same plastic film it's used for advertisement on trains, buses...
Quoting SXI899 (Reply 15): I believe that the max demonstrated crosswind on the ATR72 is 35kts.
I've just heard on tv with wet runway 35kt, dry 45kt. Don't actually know if it was wet or dry in FCO at that time?
Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 14): I believe Carpartair has been the subject of bad press in Italy just recently. Maybe that has something to do with it...
There has just been a bad trail of accidents and weird events on flights operated by Carpatair on behalf of Alitalia since march 2012 (AOI-FCO, PSA-FCO and BLQ-FCO), once it was a pressurization problem and they had to return, another time a fuel leaking, and I cannot be mor precise on that, but I don't think it's just a question of pilot unions ramping up a bad accident with 16 injured passengers and crews, I also guess standards of quality has been seen as jeopardized by the service of this particular company from Alitalia's point of view.
LH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 278 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1744 times:
Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 11): And I guess AZ got out there with some spray paint because the aircraft is completely white now, all AZ name logo and stripes removed.
Is this common practice? European news sites are reporting on the repainting.
25 AR385: It´s pretty much SOP for all airlines. You may wish to take a look in the database on airliners that have suffered an accident that does not necessa
26 rfields5421: An entire aircraft in 12-16 hours is unusual, but having the tail painted before dawn the next day is common. Delta did that with a B727 at DFW. It r
27 anfromme: Indeed - there are quite a few examples you can find without too much hassle. I'm sure there are more out there, but here are a few photos: http://ww
28 YYZYYT: Indeed - I can recall a few images from news that I have seen over the years that are not found in that list... The thing I wondered about is why the
29 anfromme: Well, it's not that big an aircraft, and it actually looks like they went for an all-out attack with paint (rather than a clean job) - they even pain
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