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WG Diversion After Family Refuses To Stop Smoking  
User currently offlineAirCanada787 From Canada, joined Nov 2010, 285 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14522 times:

Seems there people didn't get the memo about not smoking on flights anymore and the fact that you have to listen to the instructions of the crew.

Last night Sunwing flight 454 from Halifax to Dominican Republic diverted to Bermuda after three passengers onboard refused to stop smoking. Upon landing the three who appeared to be a mother and father with a son were arrested by police. Their passports have been seized by the police and they have been order to not leave the island. The other passengers and crew were put up in a hotel over night and were expected to continue to their destination today.

Story from CBC.ca
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-s...wing-divert-bermuda-dominican.html


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User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3200 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14498 times:
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Looks like the flight is about to land at PUJ. Even if there weren't rules and guidelines, provided that somebody actually did ask them to, wouldn't you think a decent person would decide not to smoke if somebody says it would bother them?

This doesn't seem to fit in with the notion that Canadians are all friendly and nice people!   And I am of Canadian descent so I don;t mean that dorrogatorily (if it can be taken that way).



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6357 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14341 times:
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I would be pretty pissed if it was my vacation that got screwed because of these three imbeciles.

User currently offlineMd88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14238 times:

The part that makes me laugh is that they were off loaded in Bermuda. Once the legal issue is resolved, they have to buy walk-up tickets out of there. Fitting.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25652 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14179 times:

Quoting Md88Captain (Reply 3):
The part that makes me laugh is that they were off loaded in Bermuda. Once the legal issue is resolved, they have to buy walk-up tickets out of there. Fitting.

Assuming they return to YHZ, the lowest current one way fare BDA-YHZ is around $260 including taxes/fees.


User currently offlinerampbro From Canada, joined Nov 2012, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14106 times:

I laughed so hard when I read this. It sounds like an episode of Trailer Park Boys, a show which is funny for many because of how closely it mimics people they know. I can well imagine how blue the air was in that aircraft at the height of the argument.

Of course, it is a major hassle for any of the 150+ other people directly affected. They should take some consolation in the great travel story they now have in their back pocket!


User currently offlineAY104 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 505 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14062 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):
This doesn't seem to fit in with the notion that Canadians are all friendly and nice people! And I am of Canadian descent so I don;t mean that dorrogatorily (if it can be taken that way).

Don't feel bad about your comments. We have proportionally just as many angry and thoughtless people up here, as anywhere else in the world. Geographically, a large country, but only about 35 million population.

Times are indeed changing. I was born in 1949, and spent all but 6 years of my life here. The rest of the world's perception that things can and don't happen up here is purely a myth. The fact that Canadians are all friendly, nice people is indeed no more than a notion.

Society everywhere is all about behaving badly these days. Don't get me wrong, still proud to hold a Canadian passport, but the fact is that boorish behaviour is just as alive and well here as anywhere else.

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User currently offlineXEspecialist From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14060 times:

The family may not even be Canadian. Many package holiday travelers get themselves to YHZ or YYZ first on their own as it is cheaper to get a package departing from there. The airports have walk up tour agencies in the ticketing lobbies. Canada is almost more of a melting pot than the United States.

Also, it appears the crew diverted because:

A) they were smoking in a lavatory
B) they wouldn't or couldn't tell the crew what they had done with their smoking materials

This is probably why they had to get a maintenance inspection as mentioned in the article. Many nooks and crannies in a 73G lavatory. Wouldn't want to end like AC in CVG.



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User currently offlinemacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1056 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13613 times:

When I flew out of DFW on thursday I was outside smoking and was talked to from 3 different people who all told me that they were on their first flights. One from Florida, one from Michigan and the third one from Oregon. I guess that family wasnt on a plane much before either. We all are used so much to the whole thing that we peobably just cant imagine how it must be for someone on his first trip. The 3 people made me remember some 20 years ago. But back then, there was still smoking on board...


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User currently offlineautothrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1596 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12654 times:

It amazes me how stupid and egoistic some people can be.

They don't deserve to be in any plane anymore and should be lifetime banned.

The level of education from plane passangers , has declined fast in the last 20 years.

Quoting AY104 (Reply 6):
Society everywhere is all about behaving badly these days.

Indeed.



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12095 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):
This doesn't seem to fit in with the notion that Canadians are all friendly and nice people! And I am of Canadian descent so I don;t mean that dorrogatorily (if it can be taken that way).

Just goes to show that we Canucks can be as big AHs as any other labelled group. Don't feel bad about it !  



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11449 times:

Quoting AirCanada787 (Thread starter):
Seems there people didn't get the memo about not smoking on flights anymore and the fact that you have to listen to the instructions of the crew.
Quoting autothrust (Reply 10):
It amazes me how stupid and egoistic some people can be.

It's actually pretty common, lamentably. Quite regularly police are called to flights arriving at STN because of smokers on board.



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User currently offlineyowviewer From Canada, joined Jun 2010, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11249 times:

Can someone please tell me that these 3 AH's will not be fingerprinted, photographed, and then released to a five-star resort waiting for their next court appearance in 5 days ? Keep them locked up, and throw away the keys ! I used to be one of those tranquil Canadians until the last ten years or so, but now it's "Cool" to break the law and not much of a penalty to go with it.

User currently offlineawacsooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1933 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10377 times:

I'm all for blacklisting them from flying for a certain amount of time should they do stuff like this!

User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10291 times:

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 14):
I'm all for blacklisting them from flying for a certain amount of time should they do stuff like this!

A very sensible proposal.



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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3548 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9904 times:

Air travel attracts many types of people, unfortunately some are either too naive to know better or they just intentionally do something they know is wrong and hope they don't get caught. It would not surprise me if these people have never flown on an airliner at all or in the last 20 years. People from all walks of life fly, the rich, the poor, and the very inexperienced. Hearing the stories from pilots who have done Hajj charters nothing seems impossible. I've heard of passengers trying to cook at their seats, using galley elevators as squat toilets, and even trying to bring live animals onto the plane.

[Edited 2013-02-03 06:56:29]


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User currently offlinebraynfeeble From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9620 times:

I feel sorry for Sunwing Airlines having to absorb costs on account of stupidity. Of course they'll probably get off scott free due to our lame society.


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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7510 times:

Quoting braynfeeble (Reply 17):
I feel sorry for Sunwing Airlines having to absorb costs on account of stupidity. Of course they'll probably get off scott free due to our lame society.

I doubt it. Since the offense occurred in international airspace on a Canadian-registered a/c, they'll likely be processed through the Canadian legal system, which takes a dim view of this type of behaviour. Likely a hefty fine, probably mandatory couselling, although jail time is not out of the question - they did cause a fire hazard on the flight, after all. After that, Sunwing will almost certainly pursue in civil court for landing charges, fuel, and any other related expense.

This will turn out to be one expensive smoke. Possibly a good incentive to give it up.



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User currently offlineRevo1059 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5238 times:

They should never be allowed to fly again....and no I don't think thats too harsh. Flying is a privlidge, not a right and if someone is too stupid to play by the rules then find another way to travel. This wasn't some questionable (as some here have) rule about splitting hairs on what should be turned on or off for landing or some FA judgement call that could be argued, this is a basic rule that has been in place for a long time....NO SMOKING.....damn.....

User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3311 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4871 times:

If they were on their first flights (and were unaware of the smoking ban), why light up in the lav rather than in the comfort of their seats? Sounds like they knew what they were doing and throught they could get away with it.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25652 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 17):
Quoting braynfeeble (Reply 17):
I feel sorry for Sunwing Airlines having to absorb costs on account of stupidity. Of course they'll probably get off scott free due to our lame society.

I doubt it. Since the offense occurred in international airspace on a Canadian-registered a/c, they'll likely be processed through the Canadian legal system, which takes a dim view of this type of behaviour.

Don't think so. They're subject to the legal system of the location where the flight diverts to, assuming they're arrested and charged with something under the laws of that country (territory in this case since Bermuda is a British colony).

Many flights have diverted to Canada in similar circircumstances (unruly passengers etc.) and they're always subject to the Canadian legal system. I doubt smoking in a lavatory on an aircraft is an extraditable offense.


User currently offlinefiscal From Australia, joined Oct 2009, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4475 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 11):
It's actually pretty common, lamentably. Quite regularly police are called to flights arriving at STN because of smokers on board.

I have found that Eastern Europeans particularly seem to have smoking so intrenched in their everyday lives that they think it is normal behaviour to light up anywhere without reference to their surroundings. Actually, a lot of other Europeans do it as well.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4453 times:

Quoting fiscal (Reply 21):

I have found that Eastern Europeans particularly seem to have smoking so intrenched in their everyday lives that they think it is normal behaviour to light up anywhere without reference to their surroundings. Actually, a lot of other Europeans do it as well.

Happens a lot on Polish and Italian flights in particular, though that predominance is to a certain extent also explained by the number of routes from those countries flown.



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
Don't think so. They're subject to the legal system of the location where the flight diverts to, assuming they're arrested and charged with something under the laws of that country (territory in this case since Bermuda is a British colony).

Many flights have diverted to Canada in similar circircumstances (unruly passengers etc.) and they're always subject to the Canadian legal system. I doubt smoking in a lavatory on an aircraft is an extraditable offense.

I think what will happen is that charges will be filed against them in Canada, to await their return.

At least I hope so.



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User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3939 times:

Interestingly, Bermuda doesn't take kindly to people not following rules ... It may be a beautiful island, but they have little patience for tourists who step out of line ...

25 Post contains links ghYHZ : Here's an update.......their appearence in a Bermuda Court today: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-s...-family-bermuda-sunwing-court.html
26 rwy04lga : The article referenced in post #25 says they were smoking at their seats.
27 Post contains links timpdx : one expensive smoke is right: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-s...-family-bermuda-sunwing-court.html "McWilliams estimates that the cost of diverti
28 AirCanada787 : Hopefully they have to pay for the diversion costs so that this event can be used as example which will deter such behaviours in the future.
29 Post contains links Viscount724 : An unruly AC passenger who forced a LHR-YYC 77W last August to divert to YEG was sentenced yesterday. In addition to a $4,000 fine and one year's pro
30 MD11Engineer : Provided an airline is willing to carry them. I have heard about an unruly British passenger some years ago, who was dumped on the island of Madeira
31 rwy04lga : Well, at least the train ride was nice. I've done that route.
32 Post contains images keegd76 : From the article: "My understanding is that these passengers were smoking in their seats, which is unusual to say the least," said McWilliams. Talk ab
33 Western727 : Are there photos of the offenders somewhere online? Mug shots, perhaps?
34 ghYHZ : Yes in the CBC News links in Replys #25 & #27 above
35 brilondon : The update mentions the reason that the aircraft was inspected was due to the overweight landing by regulation of all Canadian registered aircraft. T
36 tonyban : Slightly off-topic but was just wandering if smoking in-flight is now a Worldwide ban or are there countries/airlines that still permit smoking on-boa
37 YYZYYT : As they plead guilty to a lesser charge (disobeying lawful commands from the crew), upon payment of the fine they will be free to go. While the fines
38 tonystan : I can think of worse places to be chucked off a flight,,,,,could also thing of cheaper places but still! Lol
39 rwy04lga : And Bermuda isn't cheap! It is! The Shinkansen is sweet, too! Assuming they still have equity in their home. Went there on my honeymoon (on a cruise)
40 DocLightning : Or when told that the aircraft will land and they will be deplaned and arrested? The word "boorish" is as old as Shakespeare and is proof that booris
41 Brandane : It's nice to hear that these people are not exclusive to the UK! Although we do seem to have more than our fair share of them.
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