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User currently offlineordpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 574 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10474 times:
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Don't post that often, folks, but curious as to how the new terminal for UA and the subsequent move of B6 are coming along?

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User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9515 times:

I'd check the Massport website for details:

http://www.massport.com/logan-airport/Pages/Default.aspx

I don't see any recent news there, but I am pretty sure that the combined UA/CO operation will move to the former American Eagle gates in B2. I am not sure of this though.

B6 however is definitely not going anywhere. (Why do you think Massport did that $62 million dollar renovation and built a new security checkpoint?) B6 will eventually have all of Terminal C to themselves.

Another long-term plan I've heard of is to connect ALL terminals post-security.


User currently offlinejcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9423 times:

I believe scheduled opening of the new United concourse is Fall 2013. Construction is ongoing.

User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9204 times:

It looks like quite a ways until completion. They have removed all the gates from the ex-Eagle area, but no new construction has begun for the actual connector portion.


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User currently offlineEWRkid1990 From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8950 times:

If they're taking the old eagle gates, that means there isn't enough room for more than 5-6 mainline aircraft, seeing as almost all UA stations from BOS are on mainline except for CLE. Maybe they can re-arrange the gate spacings to fit more large aircraft ie. 737-757?

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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6661 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8907 times:

Quoting EWRkid1990 (Reply 4):

they are supposed to have 8 gates so it will be on the tighter side but it should work.



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User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8800 times:

Quoting jcarv (Reply 2):
I believe scheduled opening of the new United concourse is Fall 2013. Construction is ongoing.

...In B2?

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 3):
They have removed all the gates from the ex-Eagle area, but no new construction has begun for the actual connector portion.

Which gates were these, do you remember? I know that AA mainline is B27-B29 and B30-B36.


User currently offlinembk1999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7912 times:

Perhaps they slowed down the construction timetable to see how the possible AA/US merger unfolds. Also as AA's presence in BOS continues to shrink, gates B27-B29 could become flex gates.

User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7731 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 6):

Testing my memory, but was it B22-26 for the ex-Eagle gates?



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7709 times:

I don't know when the Terminal B connector is going to be finished, but B6 will have all of Terminal C to themselves by Spring 2014: http://blog.jetblue.com/index.php/20...rminal-news-for-jetblue-in-boston/


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User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7278 times:

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 8):
Testing my memory, but was it B22-26 for the ex-Eagle gates?

That sounds right. Wasn't NK there for a while as well? Or is NK over in B1 now?

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 9):
B6 will have all of Terminal C to themselves by Spring 2014:

  


User currently offlineicelandair75w From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7269 times:

They broke ground on the Terminal B project a few months ago and are working on it mostly everyday (pounding the beams into the ground, preparing both the US and AA terminal edges for the connector). Essentially they will be able to use the gates they build and then some of the US gates when not in use.

User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6780 times:

what do the signs on the approach roads, and the signs/recorded messages on the silver line/shuttle, say to explain to UA pax where they should go?

User currently offlinejcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6706 times:

United operates in 2 terminals currently: A & C. Operations are separated by destination city. Essentially old CO & old UA. United runs flights to EWR, CLE, & IAH from A and runs flights to IAD, ORD, DEN, SFO, & LAX from C. With the current cross fleeting however, one could arrive at either terminal from any city.

User currently offlinedwcontroller From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6698 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 12):
what do the signs on the approach roads, and the signs/recorded messages on the silver line/shuttle, say to explain to UA pax where they should go?

Something along the lines of "Terminal A for United Airlines flights serving Cleveland, Houston-Intercontinental and Newark" "Terminal C for United Airlines flights serving Chicago-O'Hare, Denver, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Washington-Dulles"



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User currently offlinebos2laf From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6489 times:

Quoting jcarv (Reply 2):

I believe scheduled opening of the new United concourse is Fall 2013. Construction is ongoing.

It was initially going to be Nov-Dec 2013, but the last I heard from a reliable source was "early 2014" with their old gates starting to come online for B6 around March.

This is a Massport construction project after all. Expect it to be behind schedule and over budget.


User currently offlinejcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6450 times:

Funny, their last few projects were finished ahead of schedule and under budget.

User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6661 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6417 times:

Quoting bos2laf (Reply 15):
It was initially going to be Nov-Dec 2013, but the last I heard from a reliable source was "early 2014" with their old gates starting to come online for B6 around March.

I'm guessing they are going to cram into A temporarily? Also any update on the United Club in B?



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8481 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6389 times:

Quoting bos2laf (Reply 15):
This is a Massport construction project after all. Expect it to be behind schedule and over budget.

Why? If it happens it will be fairly unusual if we consider recent Massport projects at Logan. DL's new Terminal A opened ahead of schedule and under budget. The recent terminal B garage project also completed ahead of schedule. The centerfield taxiway was also completed in 2009 ahead of schedule and under budget. I can't find any details about the recent terminal C remodeling project but I suspect it was at least on time and on budget or somehting would have showed up in a google search. I believe the Terminal E expansion was behind schedule and over budget but that was a long time ago and I suspect that they learned a thing or two from that project, which is probably why subsequent projects have been far better managed.


User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6251 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 10):

Yes, NK would use gate B25 or 26 when Eagle used to handle their ground services. They have since moved over to the US side of Terminal B



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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6216 times:

Years ago the footprint of the current project was actually slated to become an FIS for AA and US. This is when both carriers had significant Intl Ops, with US to the Caribbean and AA to both Europe and the Caribbean. If 9-11 hadn't happened, this project would have been built. Fast forward to today, and it seems kind of silly doesn't it?

I wonder exactly how many gates AA actually needs in BOS anymore? Eagle is gone, only flights left are to the cornerstones (MIA, DFW, ORD, LAX, and JFK) with LHR even being dropped in favor of BA operating the flight. You would think only B29-B36 would be needed to handle AA ops in that sense. So B25-28 could go to UA, maybe even for RJ's, with the new gates going to them, and possibly a couple of the existing US B gates, mainly B22-24.


User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6042 times:

This may be helpful as well, it is the massport Terminal B Construction plans.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...6OSkv5nscRIA&bvm=bv.41642243,d.dmg



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User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5624 times:

Quoting jcarv (Reply 13):
United operates in 2 terminals currently: A & C. Operations are separated by destination city. Essentially old CO & old UA. United runs flights to EWR, CLE, & IAH from A and runs flights to IAD, ORD, DEN, SFO, & LAX from C. With the current cross fleeting however, one could arrive at either terminal from any city.

jcarv has it correct. Former-CO flights depart out of A, actual UA flights depart out of C.

Quoting dwcontroller (Reply 14):
Something along the lines of "Terminal A for United Airlines flights serving Cleveland, Houston-Intercontinental and Newark" "Terminal C for United Airlines flights serving Chicago-O'Hare, Denver, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Washington-Dulles"

   This info can also be found on UA's website.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 17):
Also any update on the United Club in B?

What United Club in B?

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 19):
Yes, NK would use gate B25 or 26 when Eagle used to handle their ground services. They have since moved over to the US side of Terminal B

Thanks flyby519. I remember first learning this last March when my motorcoach driver announced airlines by terminal as we approached BOS. I assume that the move was because of the construction? Who handles NK in B1 now? US?

Quoting apodino (Reply 20):
I wonder exactly how many gates AA actually needs in BOS anymore? Eagle is gone, only flights left are to the cornerstones (MIA, DFW, ORD, LAX, and JFK)

Wow, AA really has cut back in BOS!

Quoting apodino (Reply 20):
with LHR even being dropped in favor of BA operating the flight.

Did AA drop LHR?
Don't forget that VS (and DL?) also do LHR.

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 21):
This may be helpful as well, it is the massport Terminal B Construction plans.

Thanks for sharing that link.


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5494 times:

Quoting dwcontroller (Reply 14):

Something along the lines of "Terminal A for United Airlines flights serving Cleveland, Houston-Intercontinental and Newark" "Terminal C for United Airlines flights serving Chicago-O'Hare, Denver, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Washington-Dulles"

OK, good - the signs list the cities - so they don't count on pax knowing what was CO and what was UA.

I wonder how many pax end up in the wrong place anyway.


User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5329 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 22):

What United Club in B?

Probably the one that is being constructed as part of this project.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 22):

Did AA drop LHR?
Don't forget that VS (and DL?) also do LHR.

I haven't forgotten. I specifically mentioned BA because of One World and the JV. Other carriers on the route are irrelevant. But AA is ending LHR this summer and thus the JV is using BA for all the BOS service. I believe BA is adding a frequency this summer as well.

Quoting tharanga (Reply 23):

I wonder how many pax end up in the wrong place anyway.

I am sure some do so its not really a big deal. If the Pax end up in the wrong place by mistake, Massport runs a shuttle bus serving all terminals that a Passenger could use.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 22):

Thanks flyby519. I remember first learning this last March when my motorcoach driver announced airlines by terminal as we approached BOS. I assume that the move was because of the construction? Who handles NK in B1 now? US?

It is US now. I would expect NK to move to A to be handled by DL after the Terminal B project is finished.


25 zrs70 : In the early to mid 80's, Northwest (Orient) flew out of the former Eagle gates in B. (This was prior to NW moving to E). At the time, NW often had tw
26 ScottB : In the late 1980's, before they consolidated into the old Terminal A with EA, CO used those gates along with PA. So to some degree this is a return t
27 RobertS975 : OK, assuming UA vacates their gates at Terminal A, who gets to use those? Does DL have any interest in reclaiming them, maybe restarting some the poin
28 NWBOS : Unless it is being kept secret, there hasn't been any information like that communicated to us on the frontline. We have been told that Massport will
29 apodino : I am not sure who can really go into those spots. WN is pretty secure with where they are at....only thing I could possibly see is with the other par
30 icelandair75w : Rumours in the grapevine say that WN will move to the pm-UA gates at Terminal A, giving jetBlue the opportunity to take the E1A-E1E gates as well. Th
31 flyby519 : Ive heard this as well. Has anyone heard of plans to build a connector between Terminal B and C? Through the area between AA/VX and B6 where they hav
32 airbazar : I don't understand why BOS doesn't build a post-security people mover linking all terminals (like DFW), and be done with all this construction once an
33 flyby519 : Thats what I thought the ultimate plan was going to be from rumors ive heard, but havent seen any plans published to confirm it.
34 deltairlines : Why? Boston is an O&D city, not a connecting hub like DFW is. Yes, there are some connecting interline passengers that would have to go through s
35 dalmd88 : I think they screwed up when they did the landside road improvements. They should have done a consolidated rental car center and connected all the ter
36 NWBOS : For many years, I've heard the popular rumor in BOS that Massport did want to build one, but the airlines didn't want to pay for it.
37 airbazar : Yes if it made BOS a more attractive international gateway and brought more airlines and more passengers in. Yes, BOS is predominantly O&D for th
38 STT757 : Local media in Dallas is reporting the AA/US merger will be voted on by the board next week, there's a thread covering that news, that will start anot
39 bos2laf : No, they would remain a split operation until the new gates are complete in B. I was originally hearing that UA would vacate C around December, but n
40 ORDBOSEWR : I am not a big fan of the people movers. There are good implementations and bad ones. If it is done like EWR then it would be a huge failure. I mean
41 adamh8297 : Not the only reason! For B6 international interline transfers you also have LH EI FI VS + Hopefully soon EK TK + Maybe someday QR CA KE JJ/LA LH and
42 tommy767 : I should have been more clear, my bad. I meant is there any plans for a new UA club in B when the construction is done?
43 cloudboy : There are always all sorts of rumors about gate changes in Boston. I think much of this is based in various scenarios the planners have about "what-if
44 Post contains images AlnessW : I wasn't aware of this but I suspect you're right. Ah, I see. I think a good number of pax probably do, and I blame it all on the merger. But like ap
45 Post contains images BOStonsox : I've read here on a.net that BOS is the second largest connection point for interline traffic. It does see a lot of it, especially on B6. That's a sa
46 deltairlines : And with the C-E connector being built, that would address most of that interline traffic. Given that AA and UA fly only to their hubs, and every spo
47 apodino : IMO that should still be built. Since the new Blue Line station was constructed the Massport Shuttle Bus has to take a longer route to get to the new
48 Post contains images airbazar : That was planned in a time when there was a lot of money but there are benefits. One of the biggest problems at Logan is roadway congestion. The cent
49 ORDBOSEWR : I lived in Chicago for over 15 years and I can say yes it is. Most locals only know it because of going to long-term parking. Have you ever been on t
50 ORDPARK : Thanks for all the info folks...greatly appreciated... I remember when Terminal C was brand new...My first job at Logan, back in the day, was with Exe
51 apodino : Your point is well taken, but you can expand the train length or shorten the headway to help alleviate the problem. I think the bigger problem with t
52 jcarv : I believe there is enough room with the current schedules for a combined US/AA operating in the US pier. Maybe a lot of towing from hardstands for mo
53 bizjet : Obviously, the speculation of AA/US is silly, but AA did recently invest in a renovated Admirals Club and other improvements to its side of B. I would
54 airbazar : I don't think there is enough room for a combined AA/US on the the current AA side. US would need a lot more than the 8 gates being allocated to UA.
55 zrs70 : The good old days also included the graceful Eastern Terminal proudly welcoming travelers. It was the only terminal that was truly visible from a dis
56 ORDBOSEWR : I am not certain, but if they try to add train lengths won't they have problems with the size of train stops. I mean when I lived in Chicago I lived
57 AlnessW : I can understand that. I thought it was pretty obvious. There are signs on the arrivals level clearly marked "Scheduled Buses," "Rental Car Shuttles,
58 STT757 : Okay now that the US/AA merger is official what is the speculation about potential BOS moves? Will the plan for UA to move to the former AE gates go f
59 airbazar : If I were Massport the first thing I'd do is shelve the terminal B work immediately. Just move AA to the US side and move UA/CO/AC to the AA side.
60 jcarv : Massport is committed to this project now so it must go forward. Steel frame starting to be erected in very near future.
61 Post contains links deltacto : It sure was! Good pics in this thread Eastern Airlines In BOS (by zrs70 Nov 29 2010 in Civil Aviation)
62 flyua : I'm sure this is easier said than done, but with a US/AA merger now moving forward, could UA and US/AA swap gates in the Terminal B - Pier A expansion
63 airbazar : Too bad. They still should at the very least swap AA with UA I'm sure they will. Either that or what I said above: AA to move to US-B, and UA/AC to m
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