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What's Going To Happen To Qantas?  
User currently offlineAirNiugini From Australia, joined Mar 2010, 237 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14591 times:

We have lost a number of QF operated international services in the last few years. We are about to loose QF operated one stop flights to London and Frankfurt from Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. We have lost Wunala Dreaming, and it doesn't look good for Yananyi Dreaming either. The famous "I still call Australia home" is pretty much gone, and judging by my latest domestic flights on QF, the hot dinner service in Y has been removed and replaced with a small pie or wrap ( ok PX, it's not all about food!!! ).    It just feels like we are loosing the Spirit of Australia!!!   

Ok, seriously... I know the dust has barely settled on the QF/EK alliance and we are still living in the glory days of QF1/2 to London via Singapore, but what I really want to know, is what's the plan for QF moving forward? Is AJ transitioning her into a Virtual Airlines? Will we see a growing Qantas operated schedule? If so, then when? And will it be too late considering the growth in competition?

I am lucky enough that my job allows me to travel a lot and I get to interact with Qantas on a weekly basis. Over the last 12 months especially however, I feel that QF's fighting spirit has been replaced with an almost 'curl-up-and-die' mantra.

Waddayareckon? Please share your thoughts.

PX

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User currently offline1400mph From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 1039 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14568 times:
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I think they will do whatever they need to do in order to survive in some form. Even if it means being a smaller outfit.

However, let's face it....they couldn't have picked a better bed fellow !!

[Edited 2013-02-03 00:35:30]

User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7439 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14491 times:

Quoting AirNiugini (Thread starter):
Waddayareckon? Please share your thoughts.

Air NZ will make a takeover bid, it's all go tits up like Anset, the NZ Govt will bail out Air NZ and Emirates will take over the Australian market  


User currently offlineZKOKQ From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14462 times:

I feel everyone is underestimating QF.

Lets remember they now have access to EK's network. I cant wait for this to happen and see QF prosper!


User currently offlineChipmunk2307 From Australia, joined Feb 2013, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14392 times:

From my perspective, I think that once the new relationship with EK beds down, they'll have more of an ability to start focussing back on SE Asia with emphasis on Singapore and China.

Jetstar Hong Kong seems to be progressing at the moment and the growth of the Jetstar brand into Asia will be an important part of the overall plans. Especially as the Jetstar model seems to be one of profit that is really holding up the Qantas group.

If (and I empasise IF) the 787 is delayed for a long period of time, it will obviously affect moving the A332's out of JQ back into QF. I'm sure that QF management are looking at this and could perhaps consider short to medium term leases on some A330's to facilitate their move back into Asia.

At the moment, it's all about money, and making enough to facilitate growth and reinstituting dividends to share holders. Once the cash flow is in a better state, growth and expansion will follow.

Cheers
CMB


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4929 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14361 times:

Quoting AirNiugini (Thread starter):
Is AJ transitioning her into a Virtual Airlines? Will we see a growing Qantas operated schedule? If so, then when? And will it be too late considering the growth in competition?

Please share your thoughts.

Personally I believe the airline is going to spin around and come back on top... From well known reliable sources I've been told the airline is on track to turn the International arm to profitability if that is anything to go by at this stage...
Yes, it's been a rough ride along the way, the industrial action didn't help, a terrible aircraft selection when the airline was in the control of GD didn't help out either... Ordering the A380 & B787 was a gamble...
Nevertheless, I ain't going to point the finger and play blame game but personally I am confident the airline will come back on top with the changes being rolled out...

Quoting AirNiugini (Thread starter):
and judging by my latest domestic flights on QF, the hot dinner service in Y has been removed and replaced with a small pie or wrap

Which time of day did your flight operate as it could've been a refreshment service or supper...???

EK413



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25323 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14307 times:
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Quoting AirNiugini (Thread starter):
I know the dust has barely settled on the QF/EK alliance and we are still living in the glory days of QF1/2 to London via Singapore, but what I really want to know, is what's the plan for QF moving forward?

Look forward to the glory days of flying through Dubai? The tie-up with Emirates has excellent potential.

Quoting AirNiugini (Thread starter):
Over the last 12 months especially however, I feel that QF's fighting spirit has been replaced with an almost 'curl-up-and-die'

Qantas lost any "fighting spirit" a long time - it had grown fat and lazy, living off its own reputation from it's protected (and somewhat pampered) days as a nationally-owned airline.

I think Alan Joyce is dragging Qantas - despite the kicking and screaming of some - into the 21st century.

mariner



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4929 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14252 times:

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 1):
However, let's face it....they couldn't have picked a better bed fellow !!

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer...

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 3):
I feel everyone is underestimating QF.

Lets remember they now have access to EK's network. I cant wait for this to happen and see QF prosper!

        

EK413



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User currently offlineAirNiugini From Australia, joined Mar 2010, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14109 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):
Which time of day did your flight operate as it could've been a refreshment service or supper...???

These flights were all departures between 6pm and 7.30pm, and various routes. BNE - SYD, CNS - BNE, TSV - BNE, BNE - TSV, MEL - BNE. Haven't had a hot meal domestically with Qantas since November 2012... So assumed they stopped.

Quoting mariner (Reply 6):
Look forward to the glory days of flying through Dubai? The tie-up with Emirates has excellent potential.

Although it may be glorious, especially transiting through EK's Terminal 3, It would be nice to see QF operating more services.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25323 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14076 times:
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Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 8):
Although it may be glorious, especially transiting through EK's Terminal 3, It would be nice to see QF operating more services.

I prefer profit before growth.

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineZKOKQ From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14055 times:



Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 8):
Although it may be glorious, especially transiting through EK's Terminal 3, It would be nice to see QF operating more services.

I would rather see a healthy company first.

[Edited 2013-02-03 02:19:00]

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4929 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14031 times:

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 8):
These flights were all departures between 6pm and 7.30pm, and various routes. BNE - SYD, CNS - BNE, TSV - BNE, BNE - TSV, MEL - BNE. Haven't had a hot meal domestically with Qantas since November 2012... So assumed they stopped.

Interesting, the meal service selection is rotated every 4 months and haven't heard of the Hot meal service being dropped in the Y/C cabin...

EK413



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User currently offlineAirNiugini From Australia, joined Mar 2010, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13983 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 6):
I think Alan Joyce is dragging Qantas - despite the kicking and screaming of some - into the 21st century.

I may be one of those people kicking and screaming... I do understand that QF needs to change, but it does sadden me when I see a shrinking QF. Hopefully the EK alliance does present a wonderful return for QF, as it would be wonderful to see some new routes opening up with red tails.


User currently offlineAirNiugini From Australia, joined Mar 2010, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13946 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 9):
I prefer profit before growth.
Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 10):
I would rather see a healthy company first.

I'd prefer profit and growth... and a proud Aussie brand. But I guess you can't have your cake and eat it...  


User currently offlineAirNiugini From Australia, joined Mar 2010, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13936 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):

Yeah not too sure man. Business still has hotties, but not on my recent flights in Y.


User currently offlinedamian From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13877 times:

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 1):
However, let's face it....they couldn't have picked a better bed fellow !!

How about TK? I was wondering if a) QF's A380 would have the range for SYD/MEL-IST, and b) if so, whether such an alliance might have put QF in a stronger position by offering a unique routing (Oz to IST non stop, which TK cannot serve at present) instead of simply duplicating EK. Dunno, just a passing thought.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25323 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13731 times:
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Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 12):
Hopefully the EK alliance does present a wonderful return for QF, as it would be wonderful to see some new routes opening up with red tails.
Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 13):
I'd prefer profit and growth... and a proud Aussie brand.

I suppose I don't really understand this thinking - does Qantas have to fly all over the world for people to be proud of it?

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4929 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13690 times:

Quoting Chipmunk2307 (Reply 4):
If (and I empasise IF) the 787 is delayed for a long period of time, it will obviously affect moving the A332's out of JQ back into QF. I'm sure that QF management are looking at this and could perhaps consider short to medium term leases on some A330's to facilitate their move back into Asia.

Let's keep our fingers crossed the B787 issues are resolved and a solution is found soon... "If" any further delays occur probably EK will come to the rescue...?

Quoting damian (Reply 15):
How about TK?

I'm pretty sure QF management explored every avenue & EK panned out to be better suited for what QF want to accomplish...

EK413



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25323 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13670 times:
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Quoting EK413 (Reply 17):
Let's keep our fingers crossed the B787 issues are resolved and a solution is found soon... "If" any further delays occur probably EK will come to the rescue...?

It''s one area where I part company with Mr. Joyce. Hanging on to that 787 fantasy has cost the airline a bundle.

It may - eventually - be a wonderful plane, but it is presently, for Qantas and others, nothing more tha a whole list of opportunities lost.

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4929 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13625 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 18):
It may - eventually - be a wonderful plane, but it is presently, for Qantas and others, nothing more tha a whole list of opportunities lost.

True, it's been a nightmare & I don't wanna open a can of worms concerning the "B77W"... That ship has sailed...

Let's hope the Alliance pays off which I personally believe it will...

EK413



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User currently offlineAirNiugini From Australia, joined Mar 2010, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13541 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 16):

Maybe you don't, but the brand is becoming diluted. I'm still proud of Qantas, and they will never fly everywhere, we know that. What I am trying to get at, is that Qantas is changing and not for the better. As a QF shareholder, I understand the importance of profit and cost reduction, however I don't believe that they are on the right track to return Qantas mainline into a profitable and strong operation.

Just my   ....


User currently offlineZKOKQ From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13540 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 18):

It''s one area where I part company with Mr. Joyce. Hanging on to that 787 fantasy has cost the airline a bundle.

Evening mariner.

Just wondering what your opinion is, on which direction they should take right now. Cancel all the 789 orders? More A330?


User currently offlineAirNiugini From Australia, joined Mar 2010, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13502 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 17):
Quoting mariner (Reply 18):

Maybe the QF/EK alliance will see some older 330's come over to QF to replace the 763's, while we wait for the 789 delivery.... You never know, there might even be a few leased 773ERs heading to Mascot.   


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4929 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13428 times:

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 20):
I understand the importance of profit and cost reduction, however I don't believe that they are on the right track to return Qantas mainline into a profitable and strong operation

I'm not with you, the retirement of the B744 fleet has been accelerated, 9 x B744 have been refurbished with the A380 product, the B767 fleet refreshed, QF will access EKs FF program vice versa... Qantas link has ordered 1 x B717 & 5 x Q400s for expansion...
As previously quoted QF mainline "International" is on track to return to profitability...
The EK alliance will pay off...

EK413



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User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 796 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13385 times:

Change is inevitable in todays volatile market. Especially when Qantas is up against a vast number of airlines with significantly lower cost bases who are also able to freely operate in the Australian market without restriction. Airlines without unions and airlines that are heavily subsidised. However Qantas is rapidly transforming itself and moving away from the legacy image of days gone by and transitioning into a modern, competitive carrier. A major overhaul of international business is underway which (in my opinion), puts Qantas' product well within the top 5 in the world...streets ahead of of BA or the likes. The service has now evolved and offers mattresses and duvets, a 'trayless' service, a unique wellbeing sleep tea offering from Australia's T2 and many other improvements and is all about giving customers more of what they want; sleep and flexibility. Qantas Chauffeur is on it's way too.

Many other improvements are abound across the network with many technological innovations undertaken that other carriers would take a 'sit and wait' view too. Some examples being QStreaming and RFID check-in and baggage.

Working with Emirates is the framework of what is to come and will give Qantas room to breath and potentially expand it's international operations. Some are cynical and if you believe all the sheer negativity of Nick Xenophon and Ben Sandilands, you would be forgiven for thinking Qantas was in the drain. However, some very smart tactical moves have been made. DFW being a prime example.

Qantas is transforming, but this doesn't happen overnight.

ThomasCook



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25 ZKOKQ : IMO this will never happen. There is no point in throwing the 77W into the fleet with the 789 just entering production. Granted they wont have them f
26 AirNiugini : Time will tell how well this all works out and you will probably be right and I hope you are. I guess I don't really understand how it will all work
27 Post contains links EK413 : Frequent Flyer For travel on/after 31 March 2013, Qantas Frequent Flyer members can earn Qantas Frequent Flyer points and Status Credits on all Qanta
28 Flyingsottsman : I think QF has to now go down the road it has chosen to go down, if the deal with EK will bring QF International back to profit then "good". I think A
29 1400mph : Oh if only it was as simple as mattresses and duvets. We could all be an airline CEO. I don't think BA need take any lessons from QF. They are profit
30 piedmont727 : i don't know what do you expect Qantas to use on the Dallas route? if i remember correctly the a380 cant make it
31 peterinlisbon : I'm just wondering what Emirates needs Qantas for? It has it's own flights to Australia already, and can provide it's Australian passengers with conne
32 United Airline : They are cutting sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many things including routes. No more HKG-LHR, BKK-LHR, AKL-LAX etc etc. And they are even cutting SIN-L
33 mariner : Mornin' ZKOKQ: As with a number of airlines, Qantas has screwed 'emselves into a corner with the 787, The original fault was in those original 2008 d
34 sweair : The good old 90´s were the golden days of QF, judging by how displeased most Aussies on this site are, things will not improve. Aussies used to be so
35 United Airline : I think QF was doing the best between 2002 and 2010. Wonder if they will bring back the axed routes
36 EK413 : Hmmm, are you sure about that...? Qantas deferred the remaining A380s on order until 2016 & by that time the wing issue would've been resolved pl
37 Post contains images AirNiugini : Apart from increasing services to DFW and adding DXB into the mix, Qantas international has been shrinking. And aren't the next 6 A380's ordered inte
38 EK413 : The first of four phases under the Asian pillar of our Qantas International turnaround plan. The four phases are: Stronger links to the key hubs of S
39 Quokkas : The bilateral agreement between Australia and the UAE placed a limit on access to four gateway cities - Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth. The re
40 mariner : I think the chances of Germany are low to non-existent, but I wouldn't fall over in shock if Qantas used its Paris allocation somewhere along the lin
41 RayChuang : I think in the end, the tie-up with Emirates means QF will no longer need to support the very expensive routes all the way to western Europe from Aust
42 Post contains links Quokkas : Quite by chance I have stumbled upon an Exchange of Notes, but no clear indication of its status or affect on the treaty, or the earlier amendment th
43 gasman : Time will tell, of course, in answer to the OP's question. But I think in 20 years time we will see the worldwide international market dominated by a
44 mariner : I don't know that I regard a strong autonomic national carrier as particularly desirable. Air France/KLM started a trend, maybe, and then British/Ibe
45 koruman : I think there is a major problem with the Premium Economy sector. We already know that both Virgin Atlantic and Air New Zealand have described it as t
46 qf002 : From a business standpoint, it's not an issue for QF/EK because there is no other carrier with a heavy infiltration of W into Europe who also offers
47 Post contains links AirNiugini : http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-rejig...=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper In news just in, it looks like QF are beefing up some services, and cutt
48 EK413 : I remember the discussion unfortunately I haven't got a link... EK413
49 Flyingsottsman : I dont think you will see SFO back in the QF network which is a shame they have served that beautiful city twice and both times they have dropped it.
50 Post contains images AirNiugini : SFO would be an amazing 787 destination... You never know man, we might see red-tail 787 in SFO oneday... Or maybe a Orange tail... LOL
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