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Transpacific Flights To Australia/NZ In the 80s  
User currently offlinetranstar From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 530 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3609 times:
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I flew to Australia via HNL in the 1980s on Qantas. I remember flight from LAX left in the very late evening like midnight and transit in HNL was like one or two in the morning.

I have been reading about United flight 811, which experienced the cabin door opening incident. It transited HNL around midnight.

Was that normal practice on transpacific flights to Australia via HNL? Was purpose to accommodate a morning arrival in Australia?

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User currently offlinetranstar From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3611 times:
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Sorry if not clear. My question is on whether flight schedule was designed to facilitate a morning arrival in Australia.

User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3562 times:
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They were and still are set up to facilitate an early morning arrival into SYD. With the newer a/c available of course, non-stops are the rule. A/C types are from 77L on DL to 77Ws, 388s and 744s.

The SYD return flights are timed for morning arrivals into LAX.


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2992 times:

In the late 70s early 80s all Taranspac flights from Australia went through HNL because the 742's did not have the range of a 744 now adays plus because Hawaii being a State of the US, thats where we did customs then up to the gate again for the last leg onto LAX or SFO and comming back was the same, we came home via HNL. Now with the 744,77L, 77W, and A380 they have the range to do Australia US non stop. Most of the flights that leave LAX for Australia, New Zealand and in fact most of South East Asia leave in a block from LAX from around 10.30 onwards for the morning conections from Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne and Auckland with NZ. When Continental flew to Australia it always went SYD/HNL/LAX and the Melbourne flights from LAX stoped in HNL and Auckland then on to Melbourne. I can remember my very first trip to the US in the Christmas period in 82/83 my Auntie and I flew Air New Zealand and we went SYD/AKL/NAN/HNL/LAX and that was in a 747-200 at that time they were prety new, as not long before that NZ stoped using the DC-10-30s.

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8372 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2893 times:
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ANZ did AKL to LAX back to AKL nonstop with 742's. Nonstops to SYD were flown with 747SP in the 1980's primarily by Pan AM and United. Qantas did fly 747SP's but could only operate a limited nonstop schedule with only 2 airplanes. QF went totally nonstop when they received the 744's.

User currently offlineGSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2852 times:

Interesting. I knew the 747-100 didn't have the range to do Mainland U.S.-Australia, but I had no idea the 742 didn't have the range either.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
Qantas did fly 747SP's but could only operate a limited nonstop schedule with only 2 airplanes.

What route was operated with the 747SP? What about the 743, was it capable of a non-stop flight?

Also, did UA use their 747SP for the same purpose, or did they start flying non-stop when they had 744's?


User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 6835 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

PA 747SP nonstops Sydney to California started around 1977, and UA continued them.

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8372 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2622 times:
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Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 5):
Interesting. I knew the 747-100 didn't have the range to do Mainland U.S.-Australia, but I had no idea the 742 didn't have the range either.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
Qantas did fly 747SP's but could only operate a limited nonstop schedule with only 2 airplanes.

What route was operated with the 747SP? What about the 743, was it capable of a non-stop flight?

Also, did UA use their 747SP for the same purpose, or did they start flying non-stop when they had 744's?

747SP flew nonstop on the LAX to SYD route, 743 were not used nonstop on the route.


User currently onlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5659 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2513 times:

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 5):

What route was operated with the 747SP?

Believe it or not QFs B747SP were brought to operate mainly Australia - Wellington NZ services due to the short runway at WLG. As well as range the SP had amazing short field performance.

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User currently offlineAusA380 From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2466 times:

I recall my first flight on the Transpacific in about 1985 ex LAX back home to Oz going LAX, HNL, NAN, MEL. I remember a huge fuss at HNL to beat the CO DC10 flight out as both stopped at NAN and there was only one refuelling truck available in the early hours of the morning so who ever got in first got to Oz on time, the other was late!

A few years later (~1987/8) did the SYD-LAX on a UA 747SP (I remember it well as the aircraft went "us" ex LAX was late in to SYD, didn't do the SYD-MEL (where I was based at the time)-SYD leg, went "us" again in SYD and only just managed to beak the evening curfew to depart for LAX (originally due out around lunch time). Missed out connections to SEA, with more delays - a very long trip from MEL to SEA.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5272 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Yes many of the flights between the US and Australia transited HNL until the arrival of the 744. While PA, QF, and UA did fly nonstop, QF at least did still fly at least one LAX-HNL-SYD rotation alongside the nonstop.

Quoting transtar (Thread starter):
I have been reading about United flight 811, which experienced the cabin door opening incident. It transited HNL around midnight.

UA 811 was actually flying HNL-AKL when the cargo door incident happened.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

Quoting transtar (Thread starter):
Was that normal practice on transpacific flights to Australia via HNL?

Yes, very common. Almost all mainland-South Pacific flights left HNL around midnight. It maximized connectivity at both ends. Daytime flights have few connections at either end. And if daytime flights are delayed extensively you may not be able to land at SYD due to their strict night curfew.


User currently offline747buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 742 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 10):

UA 811 was actually flying HNL-AKL when the cargo door incident happened.

HNL-AKL-SYD.



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User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

I can remember doing the Pan Am LAX SYD/MEL flight on an SP flew out of LAX in the middle of a thunder storm very bumpy part of the ride through the dinner service, went to sleep and remember waking up to a full moon over the Pacific and a very smooth flight all the way to Sydney. Great aircraft the SP was. All my flights from LAX except for Continental Flight in 92 left LA around the 10.30/11clock mark at night. The CO flight left LA @10.30 in the morning 2 hours late and causing us to miss our conection @ Honolulu so we had a great day in Honolulu unexpected but great, then flew out of HNL just after midnight that night. Ahh all this talk about flying the Pacific I think I need to get back to LA .   

User currently offlineglbltrvlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 730 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

I did LAX-SYD-MEL and back on a UA SP. Was in F of the day, which at the time was pretty impressive. Aside from the food (3 meals) and 6 movies (shown on a single cabin screen), the only thing I recall were the water lines freezing up around 15 hours into the flight and being told that wasn't unusual on that route. That and the leg between SYD and MEL. We pretty much had the plane to ourselves.

There's a lot of similarity between running the 747SP on that route and the A345 between LAX and SIN.


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

They were still stopping in HNL in the 90's but because the code sharing flights were allowing airlines to only send their aircraft to HNL and transfer passengers to another airline while still on the originating airline ticket. I remember travelling on CP and transferring to a Qantas aircraft for the rest of the way to SYD.


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