redrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 217 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7236 times:
The order is for 20 A350-900s, 5 A350-1000, and 25 A320neos. Has options for 5 more A350-1000's. This is Steven Udvar-Hazy company who has bashed the A350 as not being a good competitor. He quotes: "The A350 is becoming the industry benchmark for efficiency in the long haul segment." We have another new A350-1000 customer.
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EPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 3591 posts, RR: 36 Reply 3, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6863 times:
Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 1): This is Steven Udvar-Hazy company who has bashed the A350 as not being a good competitor. He quotes: "The A350 is becoming the industry benchmark for efficiency in the long haul segment." We have another new A350-1000 customer.
Well, a lot of his comments are politically or business motivated. He is not the only one making comments like these to suit a political or business agenda. .
On topic; this is great news for Airbus. And especially for the A350 program where the -900 and the -1000 variant keep gaining momentum.
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6358 posts, RR: 34 Reply 5, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6690 times:
Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 1): This is Steven Udvar-Hazy company who has bashed the A350 as not being a good competitor. He quotes: "The A350 is becoming the industry benchmark for efficiency in the long haul segment." We have another new A350-1000 customer.
His harsh words about the pre-XWB A350's helped to force Airbus to radically revise their plans -- and since he got what he was asking for in the XWB, now he's stepping up to back it with orders. This reflects badly upon him how? The XWB is a far more potent competitor than the original A350 would have been! So why is it that the Airbus aficionados get so bent out of shape about SUH criticizing the original A350? He did them an enormous favor by pushing/shaming them into going back to the drawing board and coming up with something better than a half-hearted "Chinese copy" of the 787. He did himself a huge favor, too, of course -- since he gets a superior product to offer to his airline customers as a lessor.
zotan From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 569 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6003 times:
SUH criticized the original A350, not the XWB. SUH criticizing the original A350 led to the redesign which resulted in the XWB. Airbus has thanked him for that.
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22711 posts, RR: 88 Reply 7, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5878 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 4): He "bashed" the original A350. He's been a proponent of the A350XWB.
Quoting ScottB (Reply 5): His harsh words about the pre-XWB A350's helped to force Airbus to radically revise their plans -- and since he got what he was asking for in the XWB, now he's stepping up to back it with orders.
Quoting zotan (Reply 6): SUH criticized the original A350, not the XWB. SUH criticizing the original A350 led to the redesign which resulted in the XWB. Airbus has thanked him for that.
[i]"PARIS (MarketWatch) -- After confirming that International Lease Finance Corp. plans to buy 63 Boeing Co. BA +0.53% aircraft, including 50 new 787s, Steven Udvar-Hazy, head of the world's biggest aircraft-leasing company, told reporters at the Paris Air Show Tuesday that he planned to talk to Airbus about making its new A350XWB more like the 787.
Udvar-Hazy and others said the A350 wouldn't have the same fuel savings as the 787, which has a body and wings made mostly of light-weight carbon-fiber composites, rather than aluminum.
While the complete redesign of the A350 still hasn't been made public, the ILFC chief said Tuesday that he favors the Boeing design over that of Airbus, which puts composite panels over an aluminum frame."
As I recall, SUH had to send his 2IC to Paris to calm what were still quite troubled waters.
PW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 1982 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5847 times:
Quoting zotan (Reply 6): SUH criticized the original A350, not the XWB. SUH criticizing the original A350 led to the redesign which resulted in the XWB. Airbus has thanked him for that.
Not quite correct. Although he's a firm believer in the -900, the man has taken aim at the -1000 until pretty recently . . . :
Quote: Air Lease Corporation chief executive Steven Udvar-Hazy has echoed concerns expressed by Gulf carriers Emirates and Qatar Airways over the performance of the revamped Airbus A350-1000, speaking to Air Transport Intelligence at the ISTAT Europe finance conference in Barcelona
Quote: It doesn't have enough thrust. So we're going to buy a big cement company so extend runways everywhere in the world. Concrete, it's going to be the way to go.
Our feeling is that the -900 XWB will be the main star of the A350 family, and maybe there will be two versions of the -1000, the initial version, like on the A340-600 the initial version that had some performance limitations and after a few years they'll figure out ways to get more thrust, weight, max takeoff weight and more fuel capacity, So there could be a 1000 'Super', but we're looking at 2020 or 2021
Quote: Udvar-Hazy, however, doubts today's specifications for the 73.9m (242ft 5in)-long jet will enable the aircraft to meet its mission, requiring a significant boost to its performance
KarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 1764 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5778 times:
Same story, that was before the redesign of the -1000.
Quote: "It doesn't have enough thrust," he says on the sidelines of the International Society of Transport Aircraft Trading (ISTAT) conference in Scottsdale, Arizona.
The 350-seat A350-1000, which is due for entry into service in 2015, is slated to have the same Trent XWB baseline engine as the smaller A350-900, but uprated to 93,000lbs (414kN) of thrust to fly 14,800km (8,000nm).
Burkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4248 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5777 times:
You are sweet. A leasing company is sure it can place 5 aircraft which are expected to be the most effcient in their class. Who doubts he can place them?
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22711 posts, RR: 88 Reply 12, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5754 times:
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 8): That was in 2007, the XWB design wasn't been made public then.
Fairly obviously SUH knew enough about it to say that there was stuff he didn't like and that it needed "more work" - that he didn't like the panel concept.
He was still pushing for changes quite late in the process:
scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11359 posts, RR: 50 Reply 13, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5617 times:
Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 1): The order is for 20 A350-900s, 5 A350-1000, and 25 A320neos.
The Airbus press release clearly states:
Quote: Concurrently, ALC has signed a purchase order for 14 A321neo aircraft following an earlier agreement announced at the 2012 Farnborough International Air Show for 36 A320neo Family aircraft plus 14 options
PW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 1982 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5311 times:
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 10): Same story, that was before the redesign of the -1000.
All those quotes were from 2011, two from March, one from September.
The -1000 delay/redesigns was announced early June 2011 at Paris.
One would suspect that a delay/redesign like this would have been communicated with an important potential customer, although it is debateable to what extent SUH was aware late March 2011. But then again, from his words it appeared (in hindsight) that Airbus was already throwing around numbers on different -1000 options payload/range wise vs installed power, early 2011.
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