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AA-AS: Major Codeshare Announcement  
User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1015 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11058 times:

It seems the talk of AS spurning AA for DL was premature. New code-share Bay Area-Hawaii for AA on AS metal, LAX-East Coast for AS on AA metal and much more. Major deal for both parties.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/americ...ska-airlines-expand-150000083.html


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User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2222 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10948 times:

The most interesting codeshare is on DCA-LAX where both airlines currently compete, they will continue to do so, but with a codeshare on each other's flight.

User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1015 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10809 times:

Quoting runway23 (Reply 1):
The most interesting codeshare is on DCA-LAX where both airlines currently compete, they will continue to do so, but with a codeshare on each other's flight.

This is a huge boost for the traveler on this route. You couldn't ask for a more perfect combination of flights.

AA: LAX DCA 0805-1550
AS: LAX DCA 1300-2100

AS: DCA LAX 0900-1155
AA: DCA LAX 1650-1940



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User currently offlineDL747400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10790 times:

Quoting runway23 (Reply 1):
The most interesting codeshare is on DCA-LAX where both airlines currently compete, they will continue to do so, but with a codeshare on each other's flight.

This has been a DL/AS codeshare route for the past few years. Now that the DL-US slot swap has been completed and DL has shifted capacity and strategic focus from DCA to LGA, perhaps a DCA-LAX codeshare with AS made less sense?


User currently offlinemd3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10588 times:

Quoting DL747400 (Reply 3):
perhaps a DCA-LAX codeshare with AS made less sense?

I don't think there will be any change to the DL codeshare on this route. Not that the performance has or hasn't changed in DL's view, who knows.


User currently offlineblrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10475 times:

Where is the list of all the flights for the code shares? The yahoo link doesn't list the flights, but just mentions the cities.

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10169 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Thread starter):
It seems the talk of AS spurning AA for DL was premature.

The only people saying this had no idea what they were talking about in regards to AS and DL. A lot of us saw this coming miles away, granted AA not going under or something



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlinemartinrpo1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10076 times:

AA and DL are fighting over AS, or should I say it the other way around?

User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10045 times:

Quoting martinrpo1 (Reply 7):

AA and DL are fighting over AS, or should I say it the other way around?

AS is clearly having their cake and eating it too...with Dl slowly building up LAX I would say that DL is beginning to hedge their bets.



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User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9951 times:

AA clearly stated, when they were negotiating the new contract with the pilots, that they wanted to be allowed to expand the domestic codeshare agreement with AS, and start a similar one with B6 for the east coast.

The new terms of the contract are starting to be developed:

- Large RJs with Republic.
- 3rd party ERJs at LAX and DFW.
- Expanded codeshare with AS.

And the following should follow:

- Finalizing 787 order.
- More large RJs.
- 3rd party turboprop operator at SJU (and maybe MIA).
- B6 codeshare agreement.


User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1015 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9697 times:

The bigger question in my mind is how this all could relate to a discussed AA-US merger. I assume that AA is going along assuming that they will come out of bankruptcy as an 'independant' airline with no US merger. But if there was, they're now contractually obligated (I assume) to code-share with a US competitor. This does not bode well in my mind for PHX if such a merger was to occur.


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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7689 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9633 times:

DL has recently added a number of AS markets in the West. I wonder if that was related to this. Spurned lover. It would appear that AS will work mostly with DL in SEA and mostly with AA in LAX.

User currently onlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8864 times:

Quoting realsim (Reply 9):
- B6 codeshare agreement.

B6 codeshare looks to be coming soon:

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...-expand-their-marketing-deal.html/

American is expected in the near future to announce a code-sharing deal with JetBlue Airways. Currently the two have an interline agreement in which they connect passengers, but they don’t put ther own code and flight number on the other’s flights.



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User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1015 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8728 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
DL has recently added a number of AS markets in the West. I wonder if that was related to this. Spurned lover. It would appear that AS will work mostly with DL in SEA and mostly with AA in LAX.

I think that DL adding SEA-LAX was due to AS having such high load factors...DL couldn't get the seats they wanted. AS is realizing they need more capacity on some routes and is increasing flights in markets such as LAX-SEA.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8691 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 2):
This is a huge boost for the traveler on this route.

Really, the only boost I see is having the flights listed on aa.com or alaskaair.com. Otherwise, the benefits to the traveler have been about equal choosing either flight. AS and AA have had reciprocal agreements for FF earning and benefits for a long time now, including EQMs regardless of whether a flight is flown under the native flight number or a codeshare.



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User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1015 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8093 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):
Really, the only boost I see is having the flights listed on aa.com or alaskaair.com. Otherwise, the benefits to the traveler have been about equal choosing either flight. AS and AA have had reciprocal agreements for FF earning and benefits for a long time now, including EQMs regardless of whether a flight is flown under the native flight number or a codeshare.

The benefit is that you will now be able to book either flight on either airline's website. I suppose the days of a ticket being cheaper if booked r/t are gone but it's the convenience factor if nothing else.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7956 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 15):
The benefit is that you will now be able to book either flight on either airline's website.

Well yes, that's exactly what I said in my post.

The only benefit in having the codeshare in place is reciprocal bookings on the airline's native websites. So instead of this being "a huge boost to the traveler on this route," it's "somewhat of a boost to those who book exclusively on airline-operated websites". The ability to book these flights, and reap the reciprocal benefits, have always been there, booking via other means.



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User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7527 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):
Really, the only boost I see is having the flights listed on aa.com or alaskaair.com. Otherwise, the benefits to the traveler have been about equal choosing either flight.

A significant difference I've noted, on AS codeshares on DL planes at least, is a particular flight pulled up on alaskaair.com is usually more expensive than the same flight on delta.com. The reverse doesn't always seem to be true.

In general, AS and DL have had codeshares on several routes on which they also compete directly, for several years.


User currently onlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7356 times:

Another smart move by AS to ensure their profitability and independence.

Will AA and AS now code-share on each other's SEA-DFW flights? That has always been a surprising omission, apparently because AA was mad when AS started SEA-DFW.


User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6851 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 18):
Will AA and AS now code-share on each other's SEA-DFW flights? That has always been a surprising omission, apparently because AA was mad when AS started SEA-DFW.

I think they used to, many moons ago. It involved an ANC - SEA - DFW flight, with oil business traffic in mind. Way back before anyone had heard the term codeshare.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3827 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6248 times:

Quoting cschleic (Reply 19):
It involved an ANC - SEA - DFW flight, with oil business traffic in mind. Way back before anyone had heard the term codeshare.


That flight was an interchange: AS crews flew the ANC-SEA leg, and AA crews flew the SEA-DFW leg. Both AA and AS 722s were used.

Such interchanges were common up until the 1980s. Other examples included the DL/PA interchange using DL planes (DC-8s and later 747s and L-1011s) ATL-JFK-LHR with DL crews flying ATL-JFK and PA crews flying JFK-LHR before DL got nonstop ATL-LGW rights in 1979.



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5225 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6143 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 20):


Such interchanges were common up until the 1980s. Other examples included the DL/PA interchange using DL planes (DC-8s and later 747s and L-1011s) ATL-JFK-LHR with DL crews flying ATL-JFK and PA crews flying JFK-LHR before DL got nonstop ATL-LGW rights in 1979.

Those PA/DL interchanges ATL-FRA/LHR were routed through IAD.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11972 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5623 times:

So I guess all that talk of AS dumping AA and/or choosing DL was just that - talk. Never thought it was realistic, and this just further confirms that AS plans to continue its tried-and-true strategy up to now - fully utilize and leverage the benefits of both partnerships to the benefit of AS, and ultimately AA and DL, too.

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 10):
The bigger question in my mind is how this all could relate to a discussed AA-US merger. I assume that AA is going along assuming that they will come out of bankruptcy as an 'independant' airline with no US merger.

I, personally, don't see a potential merger having much impact on the longstanding AA-AS relationship.

For starters, the AS/QX relationship actually costs AA very little. Sure, they do extend some preferential benefits to AS elite FFs, and have some lounge agreements, etc., but my guess is that the AS partnership (which in some form or another dates back, on and off, for literally decades) is mostly gravy for AA's bottom line. (And I imagine it's much the same - win-win - from AS' perspective, too.)

Secondly, AS/QX gives AA substantial heft in a region of the country - the Pacific Northwest - where AA, due to the structural realities of its network and the competitive dynamics of today's environment, is never going to be a huge player, with or without a merger. Even if combined, a "new AA" - without even considering the inevitable network optimization and capacity rationalization - would be relatively small at SEA and PDX, far smaller than United and Delta in both markets. As such, the AS presence in those places, along with its cadre of loyal FFs, can only help AA - with or without a merger.

And finally, the benefit AS/QX bring to the AA network - in the form of feed - is something that will still be valuable with or without a merger. AS provides codeshare feed into major Pacific Northwest markets, up and down the west coast, and into AA's large hubs in DFW, ORD and especially LAX, that US could never provide, anyway. So unless the plan for the "new AA" is to simply dismantle AA's sizeable presence in LAX, and SFO (and I highly doubt any prospective new AA CEO would be that stupid), the AS/QX codeshare would still be value-add with or without a merger.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 18):
Will AA and AS now code-share on each other's SEA-DFW flights?
Quoting cschleic (Reply 19):
I think they used to, many moons ago. It involved an ANC - SEA - DFW flight, with oil business traffic in mind. Way back before anyone had heard the term codeshare.

I think it was far more recent than the "many moons ago" that the AA/AS DFW-SEA-ANC-FAI interchange operated.

If memory serves me correctly, AS was codesharing on AA's DFW-SEA flights up until just a few years ago, when AS began flying to DFW itself. At that point, if I'm not mistaken, the codeshare stopped. The two are still formally competitors, of course.


User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5058 times:

If I recall, AA and AS also had an interchange agreement with flights to ORD and DCA back in the 70s & 80s.

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7689 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4320 times:

Coming soon expect a similar deal with B6 at BOS/JFK and my guess is that B6 will also take a number of AA LGA slots. I think this has been in the works for a long time.

25 jfklganyc : I'm pretty sure the B6 pilot contract does not allow for a 2 way codeshare on this scope. One way yes. But not two way
26 Aerowrench : Absolutely! With slot control, this marriage makes perfect sense.
27 questions : Slot control? AS obviously can't control her slot!
28 BDL757 : What are the AA pilot's contract limitations on codesharing? I'm sure they won't be pleased with all the new codeshares.
29 jfklganyc : B6 pilots have limits on 2 way codeshares
30 flyby519 : As far as I know the recently signed agreement with APA allows for domestic codesharing up to 50% of mainline narrowbody ASMs, and does not include e
31 enilria : As long as it is one-way it has nearly the same effect, plus if more LGA slots are obtained in the deal they'd be dumb not to allow it.
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