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BA A318 Damaged At JFK  
User currently offlinebdak From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 87 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 33912 times:

The BA Source www.thebasource.com is reporting that the BA1/2 Club World London City Service is cancelled for a second day in a row, after the a318 aircraft used to operate the service was damaged at JFK. Does anyone have any idea what happened? Or any pics?

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User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2941 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 33471 times:
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I wouldn't be surprised if it was damaged during pushback. The space over by T7 around gates 1-3 isn't very plentiful


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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7399 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 33388 times:

Here is the full The BA Source report dated 3 February:

"British Airways A318 G-EUNA sustained damage to its tailfin whilst under scheduled maintenance at New York JFK resulting in the cancellation of BA2 New York JFK – London City today."


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8286 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 30825 times:
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Where is the second A318 used for ths LCY to JFK flights ?

User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2941 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 30421 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):

G-EUNA is probably operating club World flight 3/4



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User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 29558 times:
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Maybe down for MX over the winter. I assume they don't refit it (with those 32 F seats) just for the summer schedule?

User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 29247 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 2):
"British Airways A318 G-EUNA sustained damage to its tailfin whilst under scheduled maintenance at New York JFK resulting in the cancellation of BA2 New York JFK – London City today."

I can't help imagining someone being insistent that A320s fit through a certain hanger door, so an A318 must too.


User currently offlinefca767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1741 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 28513 times:

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 7):
I can't help imagining someone being insistent that A320s fit through a certain hanger door, so an A318 must too.

A318's are smaller/same size


User currently offlinehoMsar From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 28324 times:

Quoting fca767 (Reply 8):
A318's are smaller/same size

A318 has a taller tail.



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User currently onlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 28234 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 5):

Then that would be G-EUNB, as G-EUNA is the aircraft involved the mishap.


User currently offlinerobbb From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 28126 times:

A319/A320/A321 tail height is 11.76m

A318 tail height is 12.51m


User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 28148 times:

Quoting fca767 (Reply 8):
A318's are smaller/same size

Hopefully not said just before shortening one.  


User currently offlinerampbro From Canada, joined Nov 2012, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 28036 times:

Quoting fca767 (Reply 8):
A318's are smaller/same size

That is exactly how this incident occurred.


User currently offlinebthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 27741 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 6):
Maybe down for MX over the winter. I assume they don't refit it (with those 32 F seats) just for the summer schedule?

I thought it was a year round twice daily? (except Saturdays)


User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2941 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 26516 times:
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Quoting audidudi (Reply 10):

Whoops, you're right. Got distracted when I was typing



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User currently offlinefca767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1741 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 25765 times:

Quoting hoMsar (Reply 9):
A318 has a taller tail.

Ohhh...that's funny...i would never have thought that...sorry to ssteve for doubting... 
Quoting rampbro (Reply 13):
That is exactly how this incident occurred.

They need a warning Label on the hanger or aircraft, warning tail may be taller than they appear  


User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 793 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 23256 times:

Quoting bthebest (Reply 14):
I thought it was a year round twice daily?

Yes except normally in August when it goes down to one a day while more heavy maintenance is performed.

This year I believe it is also only operating once a day during some of April - but I don't know why.


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 21947 times:
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Quoting hoMsar (Reply 9):
A318 has a taller tail.

apparently the taller tail is to compensate for the shorter body, not sure but I assume it's a centre of gravity issue?


User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 21866 times:

The taller tail is probably for better directional stability.


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User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5510 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 21590 times:

Quoting robbb (Reply 11):

A319/A320/A321 tail height is 11.76m

A318 tail height is 12.51m

What kind of hangar are they using? We're talking a difference of 0.75 m (2.46 ft). Is the hangar entrance really that tight?


User currently offlineezalpha From Canada, joined Mar 2010, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 21010 times:
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Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 19):
The taller tail is probably for better directional stability.

I believe that's true. Of all 747s, the 747SP has the tallest tail.


User currently offlinekjfk527 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20494 times:

The aircraft is currently parked in American Airlines Hangar 10, Bay # 4. It was in Bay # 6 yesterday and was repositioned today. Their is plenty of space for the A318 in both Bay #4 and Bay # 6 with more than enough clearance for the tail.

The aircraft normally RONs over the weekend on AA hardstand number 3.

I will try and snap a picture of the bird in the hangar tomorrow if it is still there.


User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1626 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20490 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 18):
apparently the taller tail is to compensate for the shorter body, not sure but I assume it's a centre of gravity issue

Sort of. It's not for adjusting the location of the center of gravity, if that's what you're suggesting. The shorter fuselage means the stabilizer and rudder are farther from the aircraft's CG and therefore has less of a moment arm to counter any yawing tendency. Without a larger rudder area to compensate, the 318 would be less directionally stable than its larger variants.



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19915 times:

Quoting fca767 (Reply 16):
Ohhh...that's funny...i would never have thought that...sorry to ssteve for doubting...

Shortest 737NGs have taller tails. 747SP has taller tail. It's to combat yaw do to wingspan v length being greater.



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User currently offlineBryanG From United States of America, joined May 1999, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20624 times:

N243NW is exactly correct, from a physics standpoint. It's a moment arm issue. It's not uncommon for shortened airframes to have taller tails in a line of aircraft, and vice versa.

For example the A340-600 has a shorter tail than the A340-500, because of the longer fuselage, therefore a different moment arm.


25 rojo : Didn't F9 also learned the difference in tail height between A319 and A318 the hard way? I remember some news about their A318 not being able to clear
26 Spacepope : Actually the rudder is CLOSER to the CG, and has less moment arm.
27 Post contains images Speedbird741 : It is correct, yes. The A330-200 also has a taller vertical stabilizer than the A330-300 and A340-300 due to it's shorter fuselage, and also has a sh
28 Viajero : They did indeed. Now the remaining A318s In Frontier's fleet have a placard in the cockpit concerning the DEN bridges. I believe the bridge itself ha
29 BN747dfwhnl : Yes; it does.
30 platinumfoota : Hmmm... Does the 777-200 have a taller tail than a 777-300??
31 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Not exactly, only the -200LF and -200F, but I believe that the tail itself is the same size and that the variation is due to other factors. Design sh
32 flyinTLow : It is not about the "normal" directional stability, but about being able to compensate the yaw momentum in case of an engine failure. With the same or
33 EagleBoy : Thanks for the clarification.....I knew the shorter body needed the taller tail but didn't know the physics of it.
34 Post contains images gkirk : Same thing is it not? Or do you mean the 200LR?
35 skipness1E : The B777-300 is a stretch whereas the taller tail comes into play with a shrink of the baseline model, like the B747SP, the A330-200 and the A318. It
36 clydenairways : How is BA coping with one of these aircraft out of service? It's a problem when you have a very small sub-fleet, you have nothing that can replace it
37 skipness1E : Is this right? I thought they were identical. Is the eight inch (seriously?) difference in height not accounted for by the nose down attitude of the
38 gkirk : Presumably sending folk in and out of LHR?
39 VV701 : The frequency of the LCY-SNN-JFK-LCY rotation is reduced from twice daily to daily during the holiday period in August each year. In 2012 BA003/04 -
40 Post contains links BryanG : No, I was incorrect, and I stand humbly corrected. Vertical stabilizers on the 340-500/600 have the same dimensions. After further research, this pos
41 Mir : Airbus took the vertical stabilizer off the 330-200 and put it on the 340-500/600 - they could have put a different size on the -600 because it's lon
42 Post contains images PlymSpotter : It's a special low fat variant of the LR
43 Post contains links sralfalo : G-EUNA is back in service, currently operating BA001 to JFK image of fixed tail fin: http://t.co/uRSMnuFw
44 TC957 : See - nothing a bit of tape can't fix...
45 VV701 : It was returned to service on 6 February operating JFK-LCY (B A002).
46 SSTeve : I started the jokes about it being assumed to be no taller than an A320... do we know what actually hit the tail?
47 Post contains images axelesgg : A Privatair 737-700 seems like a good replacement, if only LCY were certified for that model
48 skipness1E : Given BA operate seven daily flights from LHR they're not likely to need that.
49 Devilfish : What about an all-premium configured CSeries or Emb-NG? By now, the historical load factors on this service could indicate the optimal seat number an
50 Post contains images PlymSpotter : The former is planned and apparently capable non stop both ways, the latter will depend on how the specs firm up as Embraer refine the NG. Dan
51 Lofty : I understand that the aircraft was in the hanger with a safety wire which the engineers attach themselves to when working at hight. The wire was not r
52 yeelep : All NG's have the same size vertical stab.
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