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FL Announces New MEM Service  
User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1657 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

About the only glimmer of good news to come out of Memphis recently, Southwest under their AirTran banner will add service from Memphis to Chicago, Orlando and Baltimore this summer - from the Memphis Commercial Appeal:

Southwest said in a release that it would operate twice a day service between Memphis and Chicago Midway and once a day to Orlando and Baltimore/Washington.

The flights are in addition to AirTran's five daily roundtrips between Memphis and Atlanta.


Full article:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...n-subsidiary-announces-new-servic/

37 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7873 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5117 times:

Uh oh, cue the "Is FL/WN gonna make a hub out of MEM" threads...  

I don't see a full blown hub, but I think there is room for some more service other than DL



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1935 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5022 times:

Great news. I wonder why MEM is one of the last FL stations to be converted over to WN? I can see WN having a 30-35 flt operation out of MEM.


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User currently offlinealggag From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5000 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 2):
Great news. I wonder why MEM is one of the last FL stations to be converted over to WN? I can see WN having a 30-35 flt operation out of MEM.

Don't they only have two gates to work with? That would only allow them to run about 20 flights.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1677 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4985 times:
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Will MDW-MEM be a code share? The others can stand alone as FL.

User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22865 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4965 times:

Quoting alggag (Reply 3):
Don't they only have two gates to work with? That would only allow them to run about 20 flights.

Been to MEM lately? WN can have as many gates as they like.



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User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4944 times:

Quoting alggag (Reply 3):
Don't they only have two gates to work with? That would only allow them to run about 20 flights.

With DL reducing MEM as they've done (and probably will continue to do), I could see WN/FL taking over another gate or two in Terminal A.


User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4926 times:

Quoting alggag (Reply 3):

Don't they only have two gates to work with? That would only allow them to run about 20 flights

...and the airport has about 50 empty other gates! In all seriousness, it's just a matter of time before DL doesn't renew many of the A gates, particularly when the B construction is done. WN will be in there with its own metal before too long.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7552 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4874 times:

Everyone keeps talking about WN growing MEM to a 30-40 flight/day operation, but was is the justification?

MEM doesn't appear to be anymore special than dozens of WN mid-sized markets that have less than 20 flights/day.


User currently onlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4858 times:

Back around the time SO & NC merged to make RC, the city greatly expanded MEM. Even with DL & RC in full swing there were tons of open gates. This must have been around 1977-78 or so. Everytime I have been through there since there have always been tons of gates open.


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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22865 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4818 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
MEM doesn't appear to be anymore special than dozens of WN mid-sized markets that have less than 20 flights/day.

Please list the dozens of markets. You are far overestimating the number of WN stations in cities with comparable size and location to MEM that are that small. LBB, CRB and ALB aren't really peers.



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User currently offlinediverdave From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4800 times:

Quoting Tdan (Reply 7):
...and the airport has about 50 empty other gates! In all seriousness, it's just a matter of time before DL doesn't renew many of the A gates, particularly when the B construction is done. WN will be in there with its own metal before too long.

Heck, WN can have a whole terminal!

David


User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6742 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4781 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 9):
Back around the time SO & NC merged to make RC, the city greatly expanded MEM. Even with DL & RC in full swing there were tons of open gates. This must have been around 1977-78 or so.

And the airport looks like it's still stuck in the 1970's. Gray brick, low ceilings, and narrow hallways. It wouldn't work as a hub with many aircraft larger than a DC-9 or A319.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7111 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4695 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
I don't see a full blown hub

Since WN has no hubs? If 15 flights is a hub and that's the most they will have, I guess you can choose to call that a hub.

Quoting JohnJ (Thread starter):
Southwest under their AirTran banner will add service from Memphis to Chicago, Orlando and Baltimore this summer

So whose metal is it? I hope it is WN metal unless the code share is truly fixed.


User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4683 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
So whose metal is it? I hope it is WN metal unless the code share is truly fixed.

It's operated by FL.


User currently offlineselmer40 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4506 times:

Quote:
It wouldn't work as a hub with many aircraft larger than a DC-9 or A319.

In the late 80s, before the improvements we have now, The Memphis NW/KL hub operated with large airplanes-at various times a 747, DC-10s, a 763, a MD-11, a A330, 753s, 752s, 722s, A320s as well as the mentioned DC9s and A319s. With five banks of flights and about 225 departures a day most of the airport's gates were well used.

[Edited 2013-02-04 11:54:44]


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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4581 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4422 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
So whose metal is it? I hope it is WN metal unless the code share is truly fixed.

It's broke? News to me. Of course we've only seen the soft/limited launch of it right now so its hard to really judge it until full roll out takes place.


User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1266 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4287 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 12):
And the airport looks like it's still stuck in the 1970's. Gray brick, low ceilings, and narrow hallways. It wouldn't work as a hub with many aircraft larger than a DC-9 or A319.

MEM is no worse than CLT in that regard. CLT does fine with what it has and so does MEM.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7873 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3715 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
Since WN has no hubs? If 15 flights is a hub and that's the most they will have, I guess you can choose to call that a hub.

I don't want to be caught up in semantics... a "large operation" or a MDW or BWI or something is what I meant



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User currently offlineb757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

Quoting Flaps (Reply 17):

Have you been to CLT lately?



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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 962 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3051 times:

Good for MEM, but I would never expect a huge build up there. BNA is too close to build up MEM to a "hub".


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

The only other cities that could realistically be added from MEM are HOU, DEN, and maybe LAS.

ATL, BWI, MDW, MCO, HOU, DEN, LAS would allow for easy connectivity from the majority of the WN network.

I can see MEM being a 15-20 flight per day station, but nothing more.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1677 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2755 times:
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Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 21):
The only other cities that could realistically be added from MEM are HOU, DEN, and maybe LAS.

ATL, BWI, MDW, MCO, HOU, DEN, LAS would allow for easy connectivity from the majority of the WN network.

I can see MEM being a 15-20 flight per day station, but nothing more.

I mostly agree, but when DL finally pulls the plug on MEM, there will be someone who flies LAX. It might still be DL to enhance LAX hub or it might be WN.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7552 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2732 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):
Please list the dozens of markets. You are far overestimating the number of WN stations in cities with comparable size and location to MEM that are that small. LBB, CRB and ALB aren't really peers.

What would drive MEM to be any different than cities like:
BHM, LIT, SDF, or OKC.

Those markets are within about 15-20 flights per day on average (maybe up to 25 during peak days). They all are connected to the major WN connecting cities/focus cities/hubs-but-we-don't officially call them hubs markets

Anything beyond 15-20 flights requires going into more O&D focused routes when either a) WN is not a significant player or has limited resourced in some of the larger O&D markets (NYC, BOS, DCA) or b) routes are long-and-thin (LAX, SFO)

WN is not going to be flying routes like from MEM to places like SAT, MSP, PIT, ALB

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 21):
The only other cities that could realistically be added from MEM are HOU, DEN, and maybe LAS.

ATL, BWI, MDW, MCO, HOU, DEN, LAS would allow for easy connectivity from the majority of the WN network.

I can see MEM being a 15-20 flight per day station, but nothing more.

Exactly what I'm thinking. WN is going to focus on their focus cities from MEM. DL relies on RJs as it is even with the power of a connecting hub to make some of these routes and offers even less capacity per day than WN could if they operated just 1 737 on the route.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22865 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 22):
I mostly agree, but when DL finally pulls the plug on MEM, there will be someone who flies LAX. It might still be DL to enhance LAX hub or it might be WN.

I also think MEM will get a DAL flight or two once 2014 rolls around. There's a possibility, though I don't know how strong, that MEM will get connected to one or more of what I'll call "medium-sized medium-haul" stations. I'd put MSY, MCI, SAT, AUS and perhaps TPA in that category.

If we are talking about 8 to 12 destinations, that's probably closer to 30 flights than 15 to 20.



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25 steeler83 : CLT in a state of disaray? Poor, poor CLT and their complete lack of airline service, which has only about 600 daily US flights a day... Altho, I do
26 Cubsrule : Well, D and the original part of E are only about 10 years old and IIRC B and C got facelifts around that time. Not brand new, to be sure, but certai
27 enilria : Well, this is a big deal then. MEM-MDW depends upon the code share. This is the first route they have announced in 18 months or so that expected code
28 MSYtristar : This is far from scientific, but just as example of why MEM won't see anywhere close to the service it has now when DL closes up shop.... According to
29 ScottB : I doubt the MEM hub was using an A330, an MD-11, or a 753 in the late 1980s. The MEM hub was always heavily reliant on smaller regional aircraft. I t
30 flyguy89 : While indicative, there's definitely a level of stimulation in various markets which would occur with the introduction of lower fares. There's a good
31 FlyPeoria : Well..."in the late 1980s," the A330 had yet to make its first flight. Same with the MD-11 and 757-300 but NW did use a 747-200 on a MEM-MSP roundtri
32 JohnJ : They did. Almost immediately after the RC/NW merger NW started bringing in DC-10s on the DTW route. I believe there are photos in the database of Nor
33 Post contains links skycub : When were there ever FIVE banks of flights a day in MEM? I am asking that honestly.....I always thought the NW MEM hub existed, mostly, of a three ba
34 PSU.DTW.SCE : MEM was historically a 3 bank hub that relied heavily on DC-9, 727, and turborprop aircraft. As 727s were phased out the A320 took its place. MEM got
35 selmer40 : My timetables for July 1986 and July 1987 show a fifth bank at 10 PM. A few exanples of departure times in the July 1987 timetable are-- to BHM 9.10a
36 Cubsrule : Apples and oranges (I feel like I've said that a lot in this thread). DL doesn't give a rip about COU. At least for now, DL is the carrier of choice
37 pwm2txlhopper : I use to fly BOS to MEM on NW 757's -more than a few times- during the mid 1990s.
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