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OAG Changes 2/8/2012: AC/B6/DL/FL/UA  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7867 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one

direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5

days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the

future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no

previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

7V VIR-PZB MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.7 MAY 0>0.7 JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7 SEP 0>0.7 OCT 0>0.7

AC ANC-YVR MAY 0.6>0.4
AC BNA-YYZ MAY 1.7>1.9 JUN 1.7>1.8 JUL 1.7>1.9 AUG 1.7>1.8 SEP 1.7>1.9
AC BOS-YHZ MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
AC BOS-YOW MAY 1.7>1.9 JUN 1.7>1.8 JUL 1.7>1.9 AUG 1.7>1.8 SEP 1.7>1.9
AC BOS-YUL MAY 6>5 JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5 AUG 6>5 SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5
AC BWI-YYZ MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
AC DCA-YUL MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
AC DCA-YYZ MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
AC DEN-YUL MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0.9 JUL 1.0>0.8 AUG 1.0>0.9 SEP 1.0>0.9 OCT 1.0>0.2
AC GRR-YYZ MAY 1.9>2 JUN 1.8>2 JUL 1.9>2 AUG 1.8>2 SEP 1.9>2 OCT 1.8>2.0
AC IAH-YYZ MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
AC LAX-YUL MAY 1.8>1.7
AC LGA-YYZ MAY 13>14 JUL 13>14 AUG 13>14 SEP 13>14 OCT 13>14
AC MCO-YUL APR 2>1.7
AC MDT-YYZ MAY 1.7>1.9 JUN 1.7>1.8 JUL 1.7>1.9 AUG 1.7>1.8 SEP 1.7>1.9
AC MIA-YUL APR 1.0>0.8
AC ORD-YUL MAY 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
AC ORD-YYZ MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7 SEP 6>7 OCT 6>7
AC PDX-YYC MAY 1.0>0.6 JUN 1.0>1.2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 OCT 0.8>0.4
*AC PDX-YYZ MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 0.8>0
AC PHX-YYZ APR 2>1.8
*AC PVD-YYZ MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0 SEP 1.7>0 OCT 1.7>0
*AC PWM-YYZ MAY 1.9>0 JUN 1.8>0 JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.8>0 SEP 1.9>0 OCT 1.8>0
AC RIC-YYZ MAY 1.7>2 JUN 1.7>2 JUL 1.7>2 AUG 1.7>2 SEP 1.7>2 OCT 1.7>2.0
AC SEA-YVR MAY 7>6 OCT 7>6
AC SEA-YYC MAY 2>1.2 OCT 1.7>0.7
AC SEA-YYZ MAY 2>1.0 OCT 1.8>1.6
AC SFO-YUL JUN 1.0>1.1 JUL 1.0>1.7 AUG 1.0>1.7

AC SFO-YVR MAY 4>3 OCT 4>3

AF IAD-CDG APR 1.7>1.6

AM DEN-MEX MAR 0.6>0.8 APR 0.4>0.6
Strange. My understanding is that this route is paid for by a housing developer in Loreto. Why would AM enter it too?
*AM LAX-LTO APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3
AM MCO-MEX MAR 1.5>1.6 APR 1.4>1.5

BB SJU-EIS MAR 3>0.9
BB SJU-STX MAR 2>1.1
BB STT-SJU MAR 3>1.7

BW FLL-MBJ MAR 1.3>1.0

DE FLL-FRA JUL 0.6>0.4 AUG 0.5>0.4

*DL JFK-FCO JUN 1.6>1.0 JUL 1.6>1.0 AUG 1.5>1.0
DL JFK-SDQ JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
DL JFK-SJU JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
DL JFK-STI JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
DL LAX-OAK JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
DL LAX-PHX JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
DL LAX-SFO JUN 11>12 JUL 11>12 AUG 11>12 SEP 11>12 OCT 11>12
*DL LAX-SJC JUN 0>3 JUL 0>4 AUG 0>4 SEP 0>4 OCT 0>4
DL LAX-SMF JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
DL MEM-DTW APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
DL SLC-BOS MAY 1.0>2.0 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2

F9 COS-PHX APR 0.3>0.1
*F9 DEN-CVG JUN 0>0.8
*F9 DEN-DAY MAY 0.9>0.5 JUN 0.8>0

FJ LAX-NAN SEP 0.6>0.9 OCT 0.6>0.9

*FL ATL-AUS JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
FL ATL-SAT JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
FL HOU-SAT JUN 0.4>0.0

G4 AZA-HNL MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 SCK-HNL MAY 0.1>0

HA HNL-ITO MAR 15>14 APR 16>15
HA HNL-KOA APR 18>19
HA HNL-LIH MAR 17>16 APR 17>16
HA HNL-OGG MAR 27>26 APR 27>26
HA ITO-HNL MAR 15>14 APR 16>15
HA KOA-HNL APR 18>19
HA KOA-OGG APR 2>3
HA LIH-HNL MAR 17>16 APR 17>16
HA OGG-HNL MAR 27>26 APR 27>26
HA OGG-KOA APR 2>3

*HU ORD-PEK SEP 0>0.5 OCT 0>0.6

LA MIA-PUJ APR 0.3>0.1 MAY 0.3>0.1 JUN 0.3>0.2 AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1

LW HNL-MKK MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
*LW LUP-MKK MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0
LW OGG-MKK MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2

*NK BWI-LAS MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
*NK IAH-LAX MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
*NK LAS-PHL MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0

Is this dead already? or just recoded?
P1 DEN-MZT MAR 0.3>0
P1 IAH-MZT MAR 0.3>0
P1 LAX-MZT MAR 0.3>0
P1 OAK-MZT MAR 0.3>0
P1 SAT-MZT MAR 0.1>0

*SN IAD-BRU JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7 SEP 0>0.7 OCT 0>0.7

UA CLE-RIC JUN 3>4
UA DEN-MEX JUL 0.3>0.5 AUG 0.3>0.4
UA DEN-SJD JUN 0.5>0.6 JUL 0.4>0.5
UA DEN-YQR JUL 1.0>2.0 AUG 1.2>2
UA EWR-BDL MAY 4>3
UA EWR-TLV SEP 2>1.9
UA EWR-YYZ MAY 9>8
UA GUM-HKG APR 0.3>0.6 MAY 0.3>0.6 JUN 0.3>0.6 JUL 0.3>0.6 AUG 0.3>0.6 SEP 0.3>0.6 OCT 0.3>0.5
UA IAH-BON JUL 0.1>0.3
UA IAH-MEX MAY 9>8
UA IAH-YEG SEP 1.7>1.5 OCT 1.7>1.6
UA IAH-YVR MAY 2>1.9
UA ORD-DCA SEP 13>14
UA ORD-JAC SEP 0>0.8
UA ORD-OGG SEP 0.1>0 OCT 0.1>0
UA SFO-GDL JUL 0.3>1.3 AUG 0.7>1.1
UA SFO-PVR AUG 0.8>0.6 OCT 0.5>0.4

US CLT-SMF MAY 0.9>0.6

UX JFK-MAD APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.4

VS ORD-LHR MAY 1.0>0.8 OCT 0.8>0.5

VV JFK-KBP MAR 0.4>0

WG CVG-PUJ MAY 0>0.1

WP HNL-JHM MAR 5>3 APR 5>3 MAY 5>3 JUN 5>3 JUL 5>3 AUG 5>3 SEP 5>3 OCT 5>3
WP HNL-MKK MAR 5>6 APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6
WP JHM-HNL MAR 5>4 APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
WP MKK-JHM MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0

Y4 MCO-MEX APR 0.3>0.4 MAY 0.3>0.4 JUN 0.3>0.5 JUL 0.3>0.4 AUG 0.3>0.5 SEP 0.3>0.4 OCT 0.3>0.4
Y4 SAN-MEX MAR 0.7>0.5 APR 1.0>0.8 MAY 1.0>0.9 JUN 1.0>0.9 JUL 1.0>0.8 AUG 1.0>0.9 SEP 1.0>0.8 OCT 1.0>0.9
Y4 SMF-GDL MAR 0.3>0.4 APR 0.3>0.1 MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.1 JUL 0.3>0.1 AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.1

YV HNL-ITO APR 3>4
YV ITO-HNL APR 3>4

B6 Comparison versus 2012 Same months, schedule was extended
B6 ANC-SEA JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
B6 BOS-BDA SEP 1.0>0.9
B6 BOS-BUF JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 4>5
B6 BOS-BWI JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 5>6
B6 BOS-CHS JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.1
B6 BOS-EWR JUL 4>6 AUG 4>6 SEP 4>6
B6 BOS-IAD JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4
B6 BOS-LAS JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
B6 BOS-MSY SEP 1.0>0.7
B6 BOS-PDX SEP 1.0>0.6
B6 BOS-PHL JUL 0>5 AUG 0>5 SEP 0>5
B6 BOS-PIT JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4
B6 BOS-RDU SEP 4>5
B6 BOS-RIC JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 1.9>3
B6 BOS-RSW SEP 1.9>3
B6 BOS-SDQ SEP 1.2>0.8
B6 BOS-SEA JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
B6 BOS-SJC SEP 0.9>0.6
B6 BOS-SRQ JUL 0.1>1.0 AUG 0.1>1.0 SEP 0.2>1.0
B6 DCA-SJU JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0.3>1.0
B6 FLL-BOS JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
B6 FLL-KIN SEP 2>1.6
B6 FLL-LAX JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>1.8
B6 FLL-MDE JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
B6 FLL-PVD JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
B6 FLL-RIC SEP 1.0>0.6
B6 FLL-SDQ JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2
B6 FLL-SJO JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
B6 FLL-SJU SEP 5>6
B6 HPN-NAS JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.7
B6 JFK-ABQ JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
B6 JFK-AUS SEP 3>2
B6 JFK-AZS JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3
B6 JFK-BQN SEP 1.3>1.1
B6 JFK-BUR JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 1.9>1.0
B6 JFK-CHS JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
B6 JFK-CLT SEP 3>2
B6 JFK-CTG JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.4
B6 JFK-CUN JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
B6 JFK-GCM JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.5 SEP 0>0.4
B6 JFK-KIN SEP 1.3>1.1
B6 JFK-LIR SEP 0.6>0.2
B6 JFK-MBJ SEP 1.3>1.1
B6 JFK-NAS SEP 1.9>1.8
B6 JFK-ORD JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2
B6 JFK-PIT JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 1.8>0
B6 JFK-PLS SEP 1.1>0.8
B6 JFK-PUJ SEP 1.3>1.5
B6 JFK-ROC JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
B6 JFK-SXM JUL 1.4>1.1 AUG 1.4>1.2
B6 JFK-UVF SEP 0.8>0.6
B6 LGB-AUS JUL 1.0>2
B6 LGB-SLC JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2
B6 LGB-SMF JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2
B6 MCO-BQN AUG 1.6>1.1
B6 MCO-BQN AUG 1.7>1.2
B6 MCO-BUF JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 1.4>1.0
B6 MCO-PSE AUG 1.6>1.1
B6 MCO-PVD JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
B6 MCO-RIC SEP 1.0>0.6
B6 MCO-SJU SEP 5>6
B6 MCO-SYR JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0
B6 SEA-ANC JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
B6 SJU-PUJ JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
B6 SJU-SDQ JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4
B6 SJU-STI JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
B6 SJU-TPA JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
B6 TPA-SJU JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 1.8>1.9

FL comparison vs. 2012, does not include WN. Their new schedule is not loaded.
FL ATL-AUA JUL 0.4>0.6 AUG 0.8>0.6 SEP 0.8>0.5
FL ATL-AUS JUL 0>1.0
FL ATL-BKG JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0
FL ATL-BOS SEP 6>5
FL ATL-CLT JUL 4>0 AUG 4>0 SEP 4>0
FL ATL-CUN JUL 3>2
FL ATL-DEN JUL 4>3
FL ATL-FLL SEP 8>7
FL ATL-FNT JUL 4>0 AUG 4>0 SEP 3>0
FL ATL-HOU JUL 7>5 AUG 6>5 SEP 6>5
FL ATL-ICT JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0
FL ATL-LAX JUL 4>3
FL ATL-LGA JUL 9>6 AUG 9>6 SEP 9>6
FL ATL-MBJ SEP 0.9>0.8
FL ATL-MSY JUL 5>4
FL ATL-NAS SEP 1.1>0.6
FL ATL-PHL AUG 6>4 SEP 6>4
FL ATL-PIT SEP 5>3
FL ATL-PUJ SEP 1.3>1.1
FL ATL-RDU JUL 4>3
FL ATL-

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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7885 times:

FL ATL-RIC SEP 4>3
FL ATL-ROC JUL 2>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0
FL ATL-SFO JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2.0
FL ATL-SJU AUG 3>1.5 SEP 1.5>1.1
FL ATL-TPA SEP 8>7
FL BOS-CAK SEP 1.0>1.7
FL BUF-FLL JUL 0>1.0
FL BUF-TPA JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
FL BWI-ATL AUG 6>5
FL BWI-AUA JUL 0.3>0.7 AUG 0.3>0.7 SEP 0.3>0.5
FL BWI-AUS AUG 0>0.7
FL BWI-BDA SEP 1.0>0.1
FL BWI-BOS AUG 6>5 SEP 6>4
FL BWI-CLT JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0
FL BWI-CUN JUL 1.1>2 AUG 1.1>2 SEP 1.2>1.4
FL BWI-FLL JUL 3>8 AUG 3>7 SEP 3>6
FL BWI-GRR JUL 3>2 AUG 3>0.6 SEP 3>0
FL BWI-IND AUG 0>0.7
FL BWI-MBJ JUL 1.3>2 AUG 1.4>1.6 SEP 1.5>1.3
FL BWI-MEM AUG 0>0.7 SEP 0>0.9
FL BWI-MSY JUL 1.0>0
FL BWI-PUJ JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>0.6
FL BWI-PWM JUL 3>0 AUG 4>0 SEP 4>0
FL BWI-ROC JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0
FL BWI-RSW AUG 0.4>1.1 SEP 0.0>0.9
FL BWI-SJU JUL 2>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.5>0
FL BWI-TPA JUL 3>5
FL CAK-TPA SEP 1.3>0.9
FL CMH-RSW AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0
FL CMH-TPA JUL 0>1.0
FL DAY-TPA JUL 0.1>1.1
FL DEN-SJD JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3
FL FLL-MDW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.6 SEP 0>1.0
FL FLL-PHL JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
FL FLL-PIT AUG 1.8>1.3 SEP 1.3>0.1
FL FLL-RDU JUL 0>1.0
FL FLL-SJU SEP 1.8>0.9
FL HOU-TPA JUL 0>1.0
FL IND-TPA AUG 1.9>1.3 SEP 1.8>0.9
FL MCO-ATL JUL 10>9 AUG 10>9 SEP 10>9
FL MCO-AUS AUG 0>0.7
FL MCO-BOS JUL 0>1.9
FL MCO-BUF JUL 1.0>2 SEP 2>1.0
FL MCO-BWI JUL 4>7 SEP 6>4
FL MCO-CMH JUL 1.0>3 SEP 2.0>0.9
FL MCO-FNT JUL 1.0>0
FL MCO-HOU JUL 0>1.0
FL MCO-MBJ SEP 0.8>0.5
FL MCO-MCI JUL 0>2 AUG 0>1.0
FL MCO-MDW JUL 3>4
FL MCO-MEM AUG 0>0.7 SEP 0>0.9
FL MCO-MSP AUG 0.5>0.3
FL MCO-MSY JUL 0>1.0
FL MCO-PHL JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
FL MCO-PIT JUL 2>4 SEP 3>1.8
FL MCO-RDU JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>1.8
FL MCO-ROC JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.3>0 SEP 1.0>0
FL MCO-SJU JUL 5>0 AUG 4>0 SEP 3>0
FL MCO-STL JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>1.7
FL MDW-MBJ JUL 0>0.6 AUG 0>0.5 SEP 0>0.4
FL MDW-MEM AUG 0>1.4 SEP 0>1.8
FL MDW-PUJ JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.5 SEP 0>0.4
FL MDW-TPA JUL 0>1.0
FL MKE-BOS JUL 4>0 AUG 4>0 SEP 4>0
FL MKE-FLL AUG 1.0>0.3 SEP 1.0>0
FL MKE-LGA JUL 5>0 AUG 4>0 SEP 3>0
FL MKE-MCO JUL 4>3
FL MKE-TPA SEP 1.0>0.1
FL PBI-PHL JUL 0>1.0
FL PHL-RSW JUL 0>1.0
FL PHL-TPA JUL 0>1.1
FL PIT-RSW AUG 1.5>1.1
FL PIT-TPA JUL 0>1.9 AUG 0>1.8 SEP 0>1.0
FL RDU-TPA JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>0.9
FL ROC-TPA JUL 1.0>0
FL SAT-CUN SEP 0.5>0.4
FL SJU-TPA JUL 2>0 AUG 1.4>0 SEP 1.0>0
FL SNA-SJD JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>1.3
FL TPA-SJU JUL 2>0 AUG 1.4>0 SEP 1.0>0


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7685 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SLC-BOS MAY 1.0>2.0 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2

I feel like this might be a little defenseive as well. They dont want to give jet blue too good an opportunity to move in on the market. US added two transcons and united added one transcon to SLC somewhat recently and seem to be pretty happy so far with the results. They dont want to make it too tempting for jetblue maybe.


User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7683 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

An ORD route bites the dust?

[Edited 2013-02-04 11:42:06]


Always look on the bright side of Life!
User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7594 times:
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Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
FL BWI-FLL JUL 3>8 AUG 3>7 SEP 3>6

I flew the route for the first time Saturday. BWI Concourse B was a complete madhouse -- there were back-to-back FLL flights all day long. FL/WN apparently can fill as many sunbird seats as the reservation system will allow them to sell.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7489 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 2):
I feel like this might be a little defenseive as well. They dont want to give jet blue too good an opportunity to move in on the market.

Can't disagree.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7333 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AC PDX-YYC MAY 1.0>0.6 JUN 1.0>1.2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 OCT 0.8>0.4
*AC PDX-YYZ MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 0.8>0
AC SEA-YYC MAY 2>1.2 OCT 1.7>0.7

Interesting adjustments to the AC service in the PNW. PDX gains YYC frequency while SEA loses some but PDX loses YYZ this summer (and for good?)

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AC SEA-YVR MAY 7>6 OCT 7>6
AC SFO-YVR MAY 4>3 OCT 4>3

In trying to figure out why SAN-YVR has been dropped by AC (announced and mentioned in a previous OAG-thread), seeing also SEA and SFO service to YVR reduced -- albeit in May and Oct -- might indicate there are some issues of a broader scope.

bb


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5801 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7265 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4 SCK-HNL MAY 0.1>0

It appears to be an April 12 to June 2 suspension. They must have had a large booking drop off for the weeks after Spring Break. Allegiant has said several times now that the low periods for Hawaii routes are turning out to be very low bookings and they will manage the low periods using temporary suspensions.



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User currently offlineDariusBieber From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7224 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Is this dead already? or just recoded?
P1 DEN-MZT MAR 0.3>0
P1 IAH-MZT MAR 0.3>0
P1 LAX-MZT MAR 0.3>0
P1 OAK-MZT MAR 0.3>0
P1 SAT-MZT MAR 0.1>0

Yes it's dead. People who have booked these flights have been issued refunds.



Darius Bieber
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6112 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6812 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 5):
Can't disagree.

IMHO part of the route planning departments day is not only to figure out where to tweak and grow for their airline, but also to analyze what others are doing and see if there are and defensive moves needed.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25137 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6664 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
s this dead already? or just recoded?

See..
CalJet End Service After Only 3-weeks..... (by LAXintl Jan 30 2013 in Civil Aviation)

=



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7565 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6634 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 2):
I feel like this might be a little defenseive as well. They dont want to give jet blue too good an opportunity to move in on the market. US added two transcons and united added one transcon to SLC somewhat recently and seem to be pretty happy so far with the results. They dont want to make it too tempting for jetblue maybe.

BOS-SLC:
Currently flown 1x/day with a 738 or 320, depending on the day. 2/16 is operates with a 757 for Presidents Weekend.
The 2nd daily flight starts on 3/1, with 1x 738 and 1x 320. On Saturdays the later flight operates with a 757 through ski season. (through 4/7)
Flight operates 1x day in April with a 738
Second daily flight resumes May 1 with an A320.

So this spring and summer DL will operate 1-738 & 1-A320 instead of 1-757 on the route.


User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 886 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6418 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 BOS-SRQ JUL 0.1>1.0 AUG 0.1>1.0 SEP 0.2>1.0

Interesting to see daily service year-round now. I guess its a good use of the E-190.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7416 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6096 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 COS-PHX APR 0.3>0.1

Bye Bye COS for F9.... Mariner and F9animal, can you guys shine more light on this?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*F9 DEN-CVG JUN 0>0.8
*F9 DEN-DAY MAY 0.9>0.5 JUN 0.8>0

:D Hoping this works out well for CVG

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WG CVG-PUJ MAY 0>0.1

So what's going on with this? Is this another Apple Vacations addition?



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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1304 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6075 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 COS-PHX APR 0.3>0.1

Bye Bye COS for F9.... Mariner and F9animal, can you guys shine more light on this?

According to Frontier.com it shows the service ending 07Apr. COS looks to be winding down in late February - early March for DEN/LAX/MCO.


User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1179 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5933 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-FCO JUN 1.6>1.0 JUL 1.6>1.0 AUG 1.5>1.0

Delta decided to give the second flight to AZ....


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5856 times:

Quoting DariusBieber (Reply 8):
Yes it's dead. People who have booked these flights have been issued refunds.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
CalJet End Service After Only 3-weeks..... (by LAXintl Jan 30 2013 in Civil Aviation)

I thought that was the airline flying from the other SAN airport.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 9):
IMHO part of the route planning departments day is not only to figure out where to tweak and grow for their airline, but also to analyze what others are doing and see if there are and defensive moves needed.

No opinion. That's a fact.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
Bye Bye COS for F9.... Mariner and F9animal, can you guys shine more light on this?

Yeah, failed focus city #6.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
:D Hoping this works out well for CVG

Ask PIE and HOU.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
So what's going on with this? Is this another Apple Vacations addition?

Is it Vacation Express?

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 15):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-FCO JUN 1.6>1.0 JUL 1.6>1.0 AUG 1.5>1.0

Delta decided to give the second flight to AZ....

Sort of. NET/NET they just dropped EWR-FCO.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25123 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5845 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
Mariner and F9animal, can you guys shine more light on this?

No more than I have already, in other threads.

The good folk at COS were delighted to have the service - but wouldn't pay any sort of a premium over DEN service.

So it became redundant and Frontier can use the aircraft more profitably elsewhere.

mariner



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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1304 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5845 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
:D Hoping this works out well for CVG

Ask PIE and HOU.

To be fair, CVG is a different city than DAY. Ask CLE. PIE, LGB, HOU, AZA (all of which have failed, or underperformed) were alternate airports serving the same city.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25123 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5832 times:
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Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
Ask PIE and HOU.

The DEN flights stayed with TPA. Frontier never flew DEN-PIE.   

mariner

[Edited 2013-02-04 18:47:55]


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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5666 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-SDQ JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
DL JFK-SJU JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
DL JFK-STI JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3

Too low yielding for AA...but just fine for Delta!


User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5657 times:

You sure about AC and PDX-YYZ?

I booked it a few weeks ago for a trip coming up May 2-4.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17439 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5446 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 20):
Too low yielding for AA...but just fine for Delta!

Yeah I don't get that. There's no way DL is doing better than AA; DL's fares have traditionally been the worst in the NYC area, while AA's were generally the highest. I wonder if they're just trying to wedge their way into the market by brute force.



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2757 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5377 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
Yeah, failed focus city #6.

I really do love your humor......... got a good chuckle out of this.

And now that F9 is showing positive $$$$$ overall, the sarcasm is even better.......


 


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7416 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5210 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
Is it Vacation Express?

Checked and confirmed it is indeed Vacation Express.... How they turn a profit on these routes, I'll never know.

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
Ask PIE and HOU.

PIE....huh? HOU- WN.

Quoting mariner (Reply 17):
The good folk at COS were delighted to have the service - but wouldn't pay any sort of a premium over DEN service.

-_- good ol money making decent service suck so much, eh?

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 18):
To be fair, CVG is a different city than DAY. Ask CLE. PIE, LGB, HOU, AZA (all of which have failed, or underperformed) were alternate airports serving the same city.

Exactly. Well I can vouch for AZA- People just wanted to use Sky Harbor.

CVG is just very thirsty for LCC service.

if F9 tried at SCF (KSDL) it could be interesting   



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25 mariner : All the airline - any airline - can do is offer the service. If people don't want it, or would rather fly other airlines, or in this case, connect th
26 PIEAvantiP180 : No they did not, they served MKE-PIE. More then likely. I guess they are in it for the long haul since they have been so focused on "winning in NYC".
27 PHX787 : And that's why F9 failed at PIE
28 FlyPIJets : Hmm, I think we knew this was going to happen, still confuses me, ATL has got to be RDU #1 O and D destination, maybe not. Is WN switching RDU - Flor
29 enilria : Which is why F9 was dumb to do it. As I said at the time, people are quite comfortable driving up I-25. Mariner: I understand your desire to absent-m
30 bobnwa : t What have US and UA said that shows them being happy with the results?
31 Deltal1011man : As coke said, flight going to AZ. No capacity add with EWR getting cut. pretty much.
32 blr380 : Sad to see the AC Beechcrafts leave these New England cities. PVD will be left with no international service and PWM has to keep contended with Twin-
33 rwsea : As shown in some of the recent threads regarding international profitability, DL has a huge cost advantage over AA on a CASM basis. Even if AA gets h
34 MaverickM11 : Right, but DL's average fares are lower than B6 in these markets, and DL's CASM isn't anywhere near B6. Plus AA's CASM should end up lower than DL po
35 enilria : It's a capacity cut for NYC. If DL had not cancelled this flight it would be even, but with this reduction NYC is now down 1 RT to FCO on ST.
36 EricR : UA LAX-PHX JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 A couple weeks ago UA reduced service from 4 to 3 daily on LAX-PHX. Looks like DL was more than willing t
37 mariner : There was a little more to it than that. They knew - we all knew - that the E190's were going and I can't imagine the A319 flying DEN-COS with any de
38 flyguy89 : Perhaps, but it also didn't help that they flew it from MKE (4x weekly on an ERJ at that!). I wouldn't necessarily lump CVG as being a patently dumb
39 bkflyguy : Just doing a search for a RT from JFK to SJU from 2/23 to 3/2, DL is $267, B6 is $281, AA is $274. So DL is $14 cheaper than B6. But, DL charges for
40 mah4546 : There's more to the story with the JFKSTI/SDQ cancellations, though. They used 763s that would otherwise be parked between European flights. Not exac
41 flyguy1 : There's more to the story with the JFKSTI/SDQ cancellations, though. They used 763s that would otherwise be parked between European flights. Not exact
42 MaverickM11 : I'm talking about the average fare for the last twelve months I think the routes want to be on a 738 anyway; perhaps they'll return with some of the
43 enilria : They closed MKE-TPA and substituted MKE-PIE and it failed. It's the same thing. They have a poor track record with airport swaps. Do you have any evi
44 mah4546 : Um, no. All major airlines keep slack capacity at their hubs. Every single one. AA wasn't keeping sufficient slack capacity at JFK - it was sending i
45 mariner : Nope. I'm just using your principle - that Frontier can't survive at DEN against Southwest. Any attempt to survive in spite of Southwest is going to
46 flyguy89 : True, but one has to wonder how many of F9's pax in DAY were driving from the Cincinnati area (or other areas in the Tri-State such as LEX and IND) i
47 flyguy1 : I hear you, but why has this been an issue only recently?
48 mah4546 : For one thing, AA is flying a lot more redeyes to South America these days; planes that used to be in Miami and New York, are now in Montevideo, Belo
49 ScottB : Convenience of location is only one factor which would have driven the purchasing decision. The sub-daily schedule was a huge burden on the service a
50 mariner : You may be right, I can't predict the future. And - unlike so many a.netters apparently - I am not an expert in all aspects of airline management. I
51 enilria : Perhaps that is true, but you always say they are profitable and doing fine in Denver. If that were really true, then why all the constant changes? W
52 bkflyguy : My point is that average fare only tells part of the revenue story and DL makes quite a bit from fees for checked bags, buy on board, EC, etc. So I d
53 PSU.DTW.SCE : A big difference for DL is that they are using 737-800s on JFK-SDQ/STI instead of 763s like AA.
54 mariner : You just love putting words in my mouth. I have never said they are profitable if they and when they have not been. Because they're not profitable en
55 Post contains links ERJ170 : Ohhhh.. According to the Triangle Business Journal, I think you are mistaken.. Per TBJ.. Destination = Annual pax 1. LGA = 476.3K 2. BOS = 417.7K 3.
56 enilria : There are so many there already. :p You know you've said they are making money in Denver numerous times. Fair enough It's been 2 years! Can you show
57 Post contains links mariner : Only when they are, when I can back it up, as here: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...rlines-posted-third-quarter-profit "Frontier Airlines post
58 ScottB : They're going by airport, not market. ORD+MDW-RDU is indeed larger than ATL-RDU, as is BWI+DCA+IAD-RDU. DOT's numbers have PHL ahead of ATL for RDU O
59 Post contains images BlatantEcho : wow, looks like PDX-YYZ has indeed been yanked. Can't book it on AirCanada.com and the agent said it is indeed ending. woof
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