Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18817 posts, RR: 54 Posted (3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9471 times:
Per this link*, KLM is to announce a further 3 UK destinations for 2013, up from its present 14. According to another website, IOM seems to be one of them - but we must await further details.
factsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 300 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8475 times:
Well lets add to the rumors and guesses.
KLM is always looking at more UK destinations and has added some in stealth by codesharing with Flybe to Inverness and Southampton. Surprisingly they elected not to codeshare on Flybe from AMS to EXT, EMA and BHX.
When Flybe announced EMA-AMS-EMA they stated they would operate 2x/daily in Summer 2013, yet....so far this has not happened. EMA would be a perfect airport for KLM's Fokker 70.
I agree that LGW is a possibility as the demand in the London market is vast. LGW has its own catchment area and KLM does not serve the Southern counties all that well.
I would regard BFS & SNN (I know it is Ireland, but it would add to the extensive EI/KL codeshares) as other contenders, but doubt that a return to LPL is all that likely.
Lowest on my list are IOM, Blackpool, Newquay and Dundee.
vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3582 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8294 times:
OK, so let's rehash the discussion we are having over at the English forum where I asked the same question
Largest markets (airport size-wise) not served by KLM are (excluding secondary airport at cities already served - the BBC articles mentions three more "cities", not "airports"):
Liverpool
Nottingham East Midlands
Belfast
Southampton
Doncaster
Exeter
Bournemouth
Southend
Inverness
Isle of Man
Jersey
Guernsey
Derry
Blackpool
Newquay
- above cities with a route to AMS: LPL, EMA, BFS, SOU, EXT, SEN, INV, JER, GCI
- above cities with a (potential) BE/BI code-share to AMS: SOU, EXT, INV, JER, GCI
- above cities lacking a link with AMS at this point: DSA, BOH, IOM, LDY, BLK, NQY
- above cities served in the not too distant past but given up by KLM: LPL, SOU
- above cities currently included in drop down menu in KLM's booking engine: BHD, IOM, JER, GCI, EXT, SOU
- above cities which locals on other message boards have claimed to be one of the three mentioned by BBC: IOM, BHD
gilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2880 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (3 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7953 times:
Could we see another London Airport, maybe Luton???
As they only cover LHR and LCY...
There must me a large market in North London and the northern home counties, especially with the likes of Hertfordshire with affluent towns like St Albans and Harpenden. Also towns like Northampton, Milton Keynes, Bedford, Luton and Cambridge are all within the catchment area, easily with a population of a few million.
LuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 372 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7926 times:
I think they could do worse than give LPL another try. Market conditions weren't the best when they last started the route, maybe they could make it work this time?
SKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1324 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (3 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7361 times:
There seems to be more and more demand for full service carriers nowadays compared to a few years ago so I think KLM is cashing in. I also think KL should concentrate on London airports in order to zap customers away from the likes of BA from LHR.
If you live near SEN for example, going to AMS and connected from there to say HKG could be faster than driving to LHR and taking the direct option.
Next Flights: LHR-OSL (319), OSL-LHR (321), LHR-ARN (320), ARN-VXO (S34), VXO-BMA (ATP), ARN-LHR (763), LHR-CPH (320), C
HT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6471 posts, RR: 27 Reply 18, posted (3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5551 times:
Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 13): Could we see another London Airport, maybe Luton???
LTN is a tad bit too close to LHR IMO, to become another destination without cannibalizing LHR too much, but one never knows.
Same goes for LPL, which is rather close to MAN. And LPL, as well as BLK, has the disadvantage of the sea restricting its catchment area. Same goes
STN, OTOH, meanwhile has new owners (is it effective yet ?), and maybe we see a return of KLM to this Essex airport which previously had been served by KLM UK.
-HT
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CaptCufflinks From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 76 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4998 times:
Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 13): Hertfordshire with affluent towns like St Albans and Harpenden.
The only problem with places like that is that they're "commuter towns", people live there but commute into London all of the time for work and therefore have no problem flying from LHR, LCY or indeed LGW. I have many friends who live in Harpenden - but everything else they do happens from London!
I'm not saying it isn't a possibility, merely that the demographic isn't as high, or indeed, as affluent as it would appear at first glances.
yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5149 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (3 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4946 times:
On a side note is Plymouth airport still open? That would be a great KL destination.
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cosyr From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 200 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4664 times:
I find it pretty sad that KLM flies to more cities in the UK than BA (obviously not counting FlyBE, which I don't because it doesn't have BA branding like an express carrier would.) I know that LHR is choked, but why can KLM make money on these routes, while BA can't serve them from Gatwick? I've never been a fan of the EAS, but I'm beginning to see a benefit.
kdhurst380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 150 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4384 times:
Quoting cosyr (Reply 22): I find it pretty sad that KLM flies to more cities in the UK than BA (obviously not counting FlyBE, which I don't because it doesn't have BA branding like an express carrier would.) I know that LHR is choked, but why can KLM make money on these routes, while BA can't serve them from Gatwick? I've never been a fan of the EAS, but I'm beginning to see a benefit.
BA have tried the regions in the past but have never been able to make it work for one reason or another, I suppose it just comes down to centralising things as much as possible with a domestic network connecting everything together. KLM only appear to serve Amsterdam in the Netherlands, leaving Eindhoven to the LCC's.
LJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4141 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4254 times:
Quoting vfw614 (Reply 8): - above cities served in the not too distant past but given up by KLM: LPL, SOU
I recall that EMA and BFS were also in the KL timetable recently. Then again, the same can be said of LGW, though that was longer ago.
25 kaitak: They did at one stage - or, when they operated Saabs and F50s, but it didn't work (or rail worked better); there are certainly rail links from all ma
26 PlymSpotter: Not as yet, but the plan is to re-open and extend the runway. Among other reasons, the intention is to allow services to hub airports, with AMS, DUB
27 shamrock604: BFS is in the UK, however SNN is not, so unlikely that it will be one of the three.
28 TC957: I would think an LGW service might take some passengers away from their new MSE route and already has multiple-daily BA and EZY services. I'd say a re
29 jrn216: I flew from Heathrow to Amsterdam with KLM at the weekend. Having never been to Schiphol before, I will certainly be transferring through the airport
30 ely747: Yep, Britain's runway capacity has been dealt with by KLM. Very smart and all the best to the Dutch. No need to discuss 3rd runway at Heathrow. Only
31 ely747: I doubt very much that wealthy people would look for connecting flights if they can fly direct out of Heathrow to almost any destination in the world
32 european742: At a guess I would say IOM, BHD and either STN or SEN. Would be nice to see KL return to SOU though. With BE cutting costs wherever possible, have KL
33 RussianJet: SEN sounds like a bit of a weird choice. Don't they already have EZY to AMS from SEN? Sounds like a lot for a small airport.
34 Viscount724: Most "wealthy people" don't fly F class, and AMS has far more directly-served destinations than LHR, as well as being one of the most user-friendly c
35 PlymSpotter: This depends on quite what flying out of Heathrow entails - even if you live within the greater London area it is often quicker and far less hassle t
36 YVRLTN: My guesses are also IOM, BHD & SEN. Yet they are shown on the KLM website as UK destinations. I dont see LTN sadly, but I do see SEN. The only thi
37 GSTBA: KL will opens routes that are currently not in the catchment area of existing routes and that are not yet served by any carrier from AMS. LGW/STN - LO
38 YVRLTN: This Doesnt quite match with this (which I agree with). BLK is pretty close to MAN really, DSA is right between HUY & LBA and JER is certainly a g
39 vfw614: All this discussion about LGW, LTN, STN neglects the fact that the article we are discussing says "cities", not "airports". London as a city is alread
40 AMSSFO: Which 14 cities are currently served by KLM? From the link posted in the first reply I quote: The launch of the Manston service further cements KLMâ€
41 factsonly: Just some 2012 passenger numbers UK-AMS-UK for the benefit of all: UK-AMS-UK - Market Size - Rank . code = 2012 - versus - 2011 1 LHR = 1.430.051 / 1.
42 vfw614: KLM / KLM cityhopper serve 13 airports /cities, whereas the AFKL group incl. code-share partners serve 16 airports from AMS: 1) London Heathrow 2) No
43 Boeing74741R: LPL is slightly closer to MAN than LTN is to LHR which (until recently) both had KL service. LTN also serves a slightly different catchment area in t
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