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KLM To Add 3 More UK Destinations In 2013?  
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19110 posts, RR: 53
Posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11221 times:

Per this link*, KLM is to announce a further 3 UK destinations for 2013, up from its present 14. According to another website, IOM seems to be one of them - but we must await further details.

No other information is yet available.

* http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21275784

[Edited 2013-02-04 15:19:04]


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User currently offlineshilenb From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11037 times:

Well MSE is due to start on April 2nd

http://www.manstonairport.com/news-and-events/klm-announcement.html


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19110 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10967 times:

Yep, twice-daily by the F70. But because it was announced in 2012 it may well not be included in these three given it said to be announced in 2013.


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Kyrgyzstan, joined Jul 2007, 7638 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10961 times:
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Interesting. So where else might be possibles?


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User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 679 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10861 times:

If they are starting IOM, why not JER as well?

Interestingly, it seems like Blue Islands is starting JER-AMS next week:

https://www.blueislands.com/flying-blue/news/news-stories/two-more-direct-european-services


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10512 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 4):
If they are starting IOM, why not JER as well?

Interestingly, it seems like Blue Islands is starting JER-AMS next week:

They could always codeshare with SI.


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10286 times:

I would bet on LGW , STN or a LPL relaunch. Any other thoughts ?


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User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10225 times:

Well lets add to the rumors and guesses.

KLM is always looking at more UK destinations and has added some in stealth by codesharing with Flybe to Inverness and Southampton. Surprisingly they elected not to codeshare on Flybe from AMS to EXT, EMA and BHX.

When Flybe announced EMA-AMS-EMA they stated they would operate 2x/daily in Summer 2013, yet....so far this has not happened. EMA would be a perfect airport for KLM's Fokker 70.

I agree that LGW is a possibility as the demand in the London market is vast. LGW has its own catchment area and KLM does not serve the Southern counties all that well.

I would regard BFS & SNN (I know it is Ireland, but it would add to the extensive EI/KL codeshares) as other contenders, but doubt that a return to LPL is all that likely.

Lowest on my list are IOM, Blackpool, Newquay and Dundee.


User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10044 times:

OK, so let's rehash the discussion we are having over at the English forum where I asked the same question  

Largest markets (airport size-wise) not served by KLM are (excluding secondary airport at cities already served - the BBC articles mentions three more "cities", not "airports"):

Liverpool
Nottingham East Midlands
Belfast
Southampton
Doncaster
Exeter
Bournemouth
Southend
Inverness
Isle of Man
Jersey
Guernsey
Derry
Blackpool
Newquay

- above cities with a route to AMS: LPL, EMA, BFS, SOU, EXT, SEN, INV, JER, GCI
- above cities with a (potential) BE/BI code-share to AMS: SOU, EXT, INV, JER, GCI
- above cities lacking a link with AMS at this point: DSA, BOH, IOM, LDY, BLK, NQY
- above cities served in the not too distant past but given up by KLM: LPL, SOU
- above cities currently included in drop down menu in KLM's booking engine: BHD, IOM, JER, GCI, EXT, SOU
- above cities which locals on other message boards have claimed to be one of the three mentioned by BBC: IOM, BHD

[Edited 2013-02-05 02:52:47]

User currently offlinekeegd76 From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Aug 2009, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10003 times:
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Rumoured in local circles that BHD may be getting a KL service to AMS.


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11574 posts, RR: 61
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9902 times:

SEN is strongly rumored, I've heard it from several sources now. In time expect the number of KL routes to the UK to practically double.


Dan  



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User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24824 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9793 times:

Carlisle is one of them. 3 x Daily B77W

  



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User currently offlinenighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5095 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9727 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 11):
Carlisle is one of them. 3 x Daily B77W

If only! A carlisle service would be rather handy. Maybe in a year or two when Stobarts has built his new runway.



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User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9703 times:

Could we see another London Airport, maybe Luton???

As they only cover LHR and LCY...

There must me a large market in North London and the northern home counties, especially with the likes of Hertfordshire with affluent towns like St Albans and Harpenden. Also towns like Northampton, Milton Keynes, Bedford, Luton and Cambridge are all within the catchment area, easily with a population of a few million.


User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9676 times:

I think they could do worse than give LPL another try. Market conditions weren't the best when they last started the route, maybe they could make it work this time?


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User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9133 times:

Quoting keegd76 (Reply 9):

I hope your right, code share with EI and they could make the route work, however with U2 just up the road it would be a real challenge.

Another flag carrier to serve NI would be music to my ears!



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1618 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9111 times:

There seems to be more and more demand for full service carriers nowadays compared to a few years ago so I think KLM is cashing in. I also think KL should concentrate on London airports in order to zap customers away from the likes of BA from LHR.

If you live near SEN for example, going to AMS and connected from there to say HKG could be faster than driving to LHR and taking the direct option.



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User currently offlineSuperCaravelle From Netherlands, joined Jan 2012, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8692 times:

Maybe its also an indirect result of the demise of British Midland?

User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7301 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 13):
Could we see another London Airport, maybe Luton???

LTN is a tad bit too close to LHR IMO, to become another destination without cannibalizing LHR too much, but one never knows.
Same goes for LPL, which is rather close to MAN. And LPL, as well as BLK, has the disadvantage of the sea restricting its catchment area. Same goes

STN, OTOH, meanwhile has new owners (is it effective yet ?), and maybe we see a return of KLM to this Essex airport which previously had been served by KLM UK.

-HT



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User currently offlineCaptCufflinks From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6748 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 13):
Hertfordshire with affluent towns like St Albans and Harpenden.

The only problem with places like that is that they're "commuter towns", people live there but commute into London all of the time for work and therefore have no problem flying from LHR, LCY or indeed LGW. I have many friends who live in Harpenden - but everything else they do happens from London!

I'm not saying it isn't a possibility, merely that the demographic isn't as high, or indeed, as affluent as it would appear at first glances.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6696 times:

On a side note is Plymouth airport still open? That would be a great KL destination.


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19110 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6596 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 20):
On a side note is Plymouth airport still open

Nope.



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User currently offlinecosyr From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6414 times:

I find it pretty sad that KLM flies to more cities in the UK than BA (obviously not counting FlyBE, which I don't because it doesn't have BA branding like an express carrier would.) I know that LHR is choked, but why can KLM make money on these routes, while BA can't serve them from Gatwick? I've never been a fan of the EAS, but I'm beginning to see a benefit.

User currently offlinekdhurst380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6134 times:

Quoting cosyr (Reply 22):
I find it pretty sad that KLM flies to more cities in the UK than BA (obviously not counting FlyBE, which I don't because it doesn't have BA branding like an express carrier would.) I know that LHR is choked, but why can KLM make money on these routes, while BA can't serve them from Gatwick? I've never been a fan of the EAS, but I'm beginning to see a benefit.

BA have tried the regions in the past but have never been able to make it work for one reason or another, I suppose it just comes down to centralising things as much as possible with a domestic network connecting everything together. KLM only appear to serve Amsterdam in the Netherlands, leaving Eindhoven to the LCC's.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6004 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 8):
- above cities served in the not too distant past but given up by KLM: LPL, SOU

I recall that EMA and BFS were also in the KL timetable recently. Then again, the same can be said of LGW, though that was longer ago.


25 kaitak : They did at one stage - or, when they operated Saabs and F50s, but it didn't work (or rail worked better); there are certainly rail links from all ma
26 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Not as yet, but the plan is to re-open and extend the runway. Among other reasons, the intention is to allow services to hub airports, with AMS, DUB
27 shamrock604 : BFS is in the UK, however SNN is not, so unlikely that it will be one of the three.
28 TC957 : I would think an LGW service might take some passengers away from their new MSE route and already has multiple-daily BA and EZY services. I'd say a re
29 jrn216 : I flew from Heathrow to Amsterdam with KLM at the weekend. Having never been to Schiphol before, I will certainly be transferring through the airport
30 ely747 : Yep, Britain's runway capacity has been dealt with by KLM. Very smart and all the best to the Dutch. No need to discuss 3rd runway at Heathrow. Only
31 ely747 : I doubt very much that wealthy people would look for connecting flights if they can fly direct out of Heathrow to almost any destination in the world
32 european742 : At a guess I would say IOM, BHD and either STN or SEN. Would be nice to see KL return to SOU though. With BE cutting costs wherever possible, have KL
33 RussianJet : SEN sounds like a bit of a weird choice. Don't they already have EZY to AMS from SEN? Sounds like a lot for a small airport.
34 Viscount724 : Most "wealthy people" don't fly F class, and AMS has far more directly-served destinations than LHR, as well as being one of the most user-friendly c
35 Post contains images PlymSpotter : This depends on quite what flying out of Heathrow entails - even if you live within the greater London area it is often quicker and far less hassle t
36 Post contains images YVRLTN : My guesses are also IOM, BHD & SEN. Yet they are shown on the KLM website as UK destinations. I dont see LTN sadly, but I do see SEN. The only thi
37 GSTBA : KL will opens routes that are currently not in the catchment area of existing routes and that are not yet served by any carrier from AMS. LGW/STN - LO
38 YVRLTN : This Doesnt quite match with this (which I agree with). BLK is pretty close to MAN really, DSA is right between HUY & LBA and JER is certainly a g
39 vfw614 : All this discussion about LGW, LTN, STN neglects the fact that the article we are discussing says "cities", not "airports". London as a city is alread
40 AMSSFO : Which 14 cities are currently served by KLM? From the link posted in the first reply I quote: The launch of the Manston service further cements KLM
41 factsonly : Just some 2012 passenger numbers UK-AMS-UK for the benefit of all: UK-AMS-UK - Market Size - Rank . code = 2012 - versus - 2011 1 LHR = 1.430.051 / 1.
42 vfw614 : KLM / KLM cityhopper serve 13 airports /cities, whereas the AFKL group incl. code-share partners serve 16 airports from AMS: 1) London Heathrow 2) No
43 Boeing74741R : LPL is slightly closer to MAN than LTN is to LHR which (until recently) both had KL service. LTN also serves a slightly different catchment area in t
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