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KLM To Add 3 More UK Destinations In 2013?  
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19259 posts, RR: 52
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11755 times:

Per this link*, KLM is to announce a further 3 UK destinations for 2013, up from its present 14. According to another website, IOM seems to be one of them - but we must await further details.

No other information is yet available.

* http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21275784

[Edited 2013-02-04 15:19:04]


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User currently offlineshilenb From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11571 times:

Well MSE is due to start on April 2nd

http://www.manstonairport.com/news-and-events/klm-announcement.html


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19259 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11501 times:

Yep, twice-daily by the F70. But because it was announced in 2012 it may well not be included in these three given it said to be announced in 2013.


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11495 times:

Interesting. So where else might be possibles?


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User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11395 times:

If they are starting IOM, why not JER as well?

Interestingly, it seems like Blue Islands is starting JER-AMS next week:

https://www.blueislands.com/flying-blue/news/news-stories/two-more-direct-european-services


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12597 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11046 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 4):
If they are starting IOM, why not JER as well?

Interestingly, it seems like Blue Islands is starting JER-AMS next week:

They could always codeshare with SI.


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10820 times:

I would bet on LGW , STN or a LPL relaunch. Any other thoughts ?


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User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 1005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10759 times:

Well lets add to the rumors and guesses.

KLM is always looking at more UK destinations and has added some in stealth by codesharing with Flybe to Inverness and Southampton. Surprisingly they elected not to codeshare on Flybe from AMS to EXT, EMA and BHX.

When Flybe announced EMA-AMS-EMA they stated they would operate 2x/daily in Summer 2013, yet....so far this has not happened. EMA would be a perfect airport for KLM's Fokker 70.

I agree that LGW is a possibility as the demand in the London market is vast. LGW has its own catchment area and KLM does not serve the Southern counties all that well.

I would regard BFS & SNN (I know it is Ireland, but it would add to the extensive EI/KL codeshares) as other contenders, but doubt that a return to LPL is all that likely.

Lowest on my list are IOM, Blackpool, Newquay and Dundee.


User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10578 times:

OK, so let's rehash the discussion we are having over at the English forum where I asked the same question  

Largest markets (airport size-wise) not served by KLM are (excluding secondary airport at cities already served - the BBC articles mentions three more "cities", not "airports"):

Liverpool
Nottingham East Midlands
Belfast
Southampton
Doncaster
Exeter
Bournemouth
Southend
Inverness
Isle of Man
Jersey
Guernsey
Derry
Blackpool
Newquay

- above cities with a route to AMS: LPL, EMA, BFS, SOU, EXT, SEN, INV, JER, GCI
- above cities with a (potential) BE/BI code-share to AMS: SOU, EXT, INV, JER, GCI
- above cities lacking a link with AMS at this point: DSA, BOH, IOM, LDY, BLK, NQY
- above cities served in the not too distant past but given up by KLM: LPL, SOU
- above cities currently included in drop down menu in KLM's booking engine: BHD, IOM, JER, GCI, EXT, SOU
- above cities which locals on other message boards have claimed to be one of the three mentioned by BBC: IOM, BHD

[Edited 2013-02-05 02:52:47]

User currently offlinekeegd76 From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Aug 2009, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10537 times:
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Rumoured in local circles that BHD may be getting a KL service to AMS.


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11718 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10436 times:

SEN is strongly rumored, I've heard it from several sources now. In time expect the number of KL routes to the UK to practically double.


Dan  



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User currently onlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10327 times:

Carlisle is one of them. 3 x Daily B77W

  



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User currently offlinenighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5186 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10261 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 11):
Carlisle is one of them. 3 x Daily B77W

If only! A carlisle service would be rather handy. Maybe in a year or two when Stobarts has built his new runway.



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User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10237 times:

Could we see another London Airport, maybe Luton???

As they only cover LHR and LCY...

There must me a large market in North London and the northern home counties, especially with the likes of Hertfordshire with affluent towns like St Albans and Harpenden. Also towns like Northampton, Milton Keynes, Bedford, Luton and Cambridge are all within the catchment area, easily with a population of a few million.


User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10210 times:

I think they could do worse than give LPL another try. Market conditions weren't the best when they last started the route, maybe they could make it work this time?


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User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9667 times:

Quoting keegd76 (Reply 9):

I hope your right, code share with EI and they could make the route work, however with U2 just up the road it would be a real challenge.

Another flag carrier to serve NI would be music to my ears!



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9645 times:

There seems to be more and more demand for full service carriers nowadays compared to a few years ago so I think KLM is cashing in. I also think KL should concentrate on London airports in order to zap customers away from the likes of BA from LHR.

If you live near SEN for example, going to AMS and connected from there to say HKG could be faster than driving to LHR and taking the direct option.



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User currently offlineSuperCaravelle From Netherlands, joined Jan 2012, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9226 times:

Maybe its also an indirect result of the demise of British Midland?

User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7835 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 13):
Could we see another London Airport, maybe Luton???

LTN is a tad bit too close to LHR IMO, to become another destination without cannibalizing LHR too much, but one never knows.
Same goes for LPL, which is rather close to MAN. And LPL, as well as BLK, has the disadvantage of the sea restricting its catchment area. Same goes

STN, OTOH, meanwhile has new owners (is it effective yet ?), and maybe we see a return of KLM to this Essex airport which previously had been served by KLM UK.

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User currently offlineCaptCufflinks From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7282 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 13):
Hertfordshire with affluent towns like St Albans and Harpenden.

The only problem with places like that is that they're "commuter towns", people live there but commute into London all of the time for work and therefore have no problem flying from LHR, LCY or indeed LGW. I have many friends who live in Harpenden - but everything else they do happens from London!

I'm not saying it isn't a possibility, merely that the demographic isn't as high, or indeed, as affluent as it would appear at first glances.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6355 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7230 times:

On a side note is Plymouth airport still open? That would be a great KL destination.


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19259 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7130 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 20):
On a side note is Plymouth airport still open

Nope.



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User currently offlinecosyr From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6948 times:

I find it pretty sad that KLM flies to more cities in the UK than BA (obviously not counting FlyBE, which I don't because it doesn't have BA branding like an express carrier would.) I know that LHR is choked, but why can KLM make money on these routes, while BA can't serve them from Gatwick? I've never been a fan of the EAS, but I'm beginning to see a benefit.

User currently offlinekdhurst380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6668 times:

Quoting cosyr (Reply 22):
I find it pretty sad that KLM flies to more cities in the UK than BA (obviously not counting FlyBE, which I don't because it doesn't have BA branding like an express carrier would.) I know that LHR is choked, but why can KLM make money on these routes, while BA can't serve them from Gatwick? I've never been a fan of the EAS, but I'm beginning to see a benefit.

BA have tried the regions in the past but have never been able to make it work for one reason or another, I suppose it just comes down to centralising things as much as possible with a domestic network connecting everything together. KLM only appear to serve Amsterdam in the Netherlands, leaving Eindhoven to the LCC's.


User currently onlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6538 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 8):
- above cities served in the not too distant past but given up by KLM: LPL, SOU

I recall that EMA and BFS were also in the KL timetable recently. Then again, the same can be said of LGW, though that was longer ago.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12597 posts, RR: 34
Reply 25, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6701 times:

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 23):
KLM only appear to serve Amsterdam in the Netherlands, leaving Eindhoven to the LCC's.

They did at one stage - or, when they operated Saabs and F50s, but it didn't work (or rail worked better); there are certainly rail links from all major Dutch cities to Schiphol and while I'm not sure if it's possible to check through from the railway station, it's very easy just to get to the check in area from the airport station.

KLM has long marketed AMS as "London's fourth major airport" and of course, AMS - with its six runways - has far more scope than LHR does to add regional flights. I can only hope this trend continues.

I am just wondering what KL will use to replace F70s; while E-175s might seem the "automatic" choice given that KL already operates E-190s, maybe Q400s or ATR72s might be better, from the point of view of maximising connection opportunities to regional destinations.

While it is true that BA could never make regional work, they have also never really been that keen on domestic connections; unless you're near GLA, EDI, BHD or MAN, domestic connections at LHR are out and even if they were, AMS is probably a better choice. Certainly, from anywhere else, it's infinitely preferable to having to take a train to London (or a flight to another London airport) and make your away over to LHR.

BCal's strapline - many years ago - was "We never forget you have a choice"; I think BA has long forgotten this.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11718 posts, RR: 60
Reply 26, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6391 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 20):
On a side note is Plymouth airport still open? That would be a great KL destination.

Not as yet, but the plan is to re-open and extend the runway. Among other reasons, the intention is to allow services to hub airports, with AMS, DUB and CDG being most preferred by the local business community.


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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4227 posts, RR: 12
Reply 27, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6438 times:

Quoting factsonly (Reply 7):

BFS is in the UK, however SNN is not, so unlikely that it will be one of the three.



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User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 1047 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6023 times:

I would think an LGW service might take some passengers away from their new MSE route and already has multiple-daily BA and EZY services. I'd say a return to SOU should be considered, was last served in the Saab 340 days. The Flybe service SOU-AMS isn't shown as a code-share on Galileo.

User currently offlinejrn216 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2012, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5718 times:

I flew from Heathrow to Amsterdam with KLM at the weekend. Having never been to Schiphol before, I will certainly be transferring through the airport in the future.

I live for the most part in Jersey, so it would be useful if Blue Islands could in some way code-share/inter-line with KLM. This would certainly be useful in terms of marketing the route to CI customers. Even without any agreement, I wouldn't hesistate to make use of the SI route later in the year.


User currently offlineely747 From Slovakia, joined Jan 2013, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5308 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 25):

Yep, Britain's runway capacity has been dealt with by KLM. Very smart and all the best to the Dutch. No need to discuss 3rd runway at Heathrow. Only those who take actions succeed ...

[Edited 2013-02-05 14:22:05]

User currently offlineely747 From Slovakia, joined Jan 2013, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5110 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 13):

I doubt very much that wealthy people would look for connecting flights if they can fly direct out of Heathrow to almost any destination in the world. On top of it, KL don't offer 1st class cabin any more, which most wealthy people like to identify themselves with. KLM is branded as"cheap full service airline" or cheaper option to BA / LH ...


User currently offlineeuropean742 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4850 times:

At a guess I would say IOM, BHD and either STN or SEN. Would be nice to see KL return to SOU though. With BE cutting costs wherever possible, have KL take over the route and BE code share on it in the same way AF do on the ORY route ie have half the seats sold to BE for them to fill could well be possible but I think that's unlikely.

User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 33, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4836 times:

SEN sounds like a bit of a weird choice. Don't they already have EZY to AMS from SEN? Sounds like a lot for a small airport.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 34, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4781 times:

Quoting ely747 (Reply 31):
I doubt very much that wealthy people would look for connecting flights if they can fly direct out of Heathrow to almost any destination in the world. On top of it, KL don't offer 1st class cabin any more, which most wealthy people like to identify themselves with.

Most "wealthy people" don't fly F class, and AMS has far more directly-served destinations than LHR, as well as being one of the most user-friendly connecting hubs in the world.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11718 posts, RR: 60
Reply 35, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4738 times:

Quoting ely747 (Reply 31):
I doubt very much that wealthy people would look for connecting flights if they can fly direct out of Heathrow to almost any destination in the world.

This depends on quite what flying out of Heathrow entails - even if you live within the greater London area it is often quicker and far less hassle to depart from another airport (LCY, SEN, LGW etc...) much nearer to home and make a connection.

Also as mentioned, very few high end travelers have the means or desire to afford First, Business will suffice for most.


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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4643 times:

My guesses are also IOM, BHD & SEN.

Quoting factsonly (Reply 7):
Surprisingly they elected not to codeshare on Flybe from AMS to EXT, EMA and BHX

Yet they are shown on the KLM website as UK destinations.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 13):
Could we see another London Airport, maybe Luton???

As they only cover LHR and LCY...
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 10):
SEN is strongly rumored, I've heard it from several sources now.

I dont see LTN sadly, but I do see SEN. The only thing that makes me hesitate is it may eat into their LCY market.

Quoting factsonly (Reply 7):
I agree that LGW is a possibility as the demand in the London market is vast. LGW has its own catchment area and KLM does not serve the Southern counties all that well.

But they are starting MSE which will cover a lot of this area.

Quoting cosyr (Reply 22):
I find it pretty sad that KLM flies to more cities in the UK than BA

Well, they bought Air UK for this purpose and I am glad to see the legacy lives on. BA simply does not have the cost base nor infarstructure at LHR to handle all these flights.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 25):
I am just wondering what KL will use to replace F70s

Rekkof   I can wish for the CSeries.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 33):
SEN sounds like a bit of a weird choice. Don't they already have EZY to AMS from SEN? Sounds like a lot for a small airport.

Maybe they like what they see from U2 and are already getting a lot of transfer pax off the U2 flights? The only thing against this as I say is they may decimate LCY as a result. Its not a lot slower from Tower Gateway by DLR than all the way out to SEN from Fenchurch Street.

Quoting HT (Reply 18):
STN, OTOH, meanwhile has new owners (is it effective yet ?), and maybe we see a return of KLM to this Essex airport which previously had been served by KLM UK.

Possible and they could take on TK (though they have a large ethnic population in N London for VFR pax), though this may also affect their NWI market and a lesser extent LCY too.



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User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 37, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

KL will opens routes that are currently not in the catchment area of existing routes and that are not yet served by any carrier from AMS.

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 6):
I would bet on LGW , STN or a LPL relaunch. Any other thoughts ?
LGW/STN - LON is a destination already well served from AMS, if anything there is already too much capacity on the LON to AMS route. This summer BA, EZY, KL and WX will between them operate just over 300 flights a week to AMS from 6 LON airports (LCY, LHR, LGW, LTN, SEN & STN).

LPL - A relaunch of LPL highly unlikely. KL operated flights to LPL from AMS up until the end of March last year having operated for just under 3 and half years. A rise in the cost of yields, a steady drop in passenger numbers and yields resulted in the route at the time becoming KL's worst performing in Europe

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
According to another website, IOM seems to be one of them
IOM - Really... Is there really demand out there for a 2 x daily AMS service all year round.

Quoting keegd76 (Reply 9):
Rumoured in local circles that BHD may be getting a KL service to AMS.

I think one of the routes that will be added in addition to the already announced MSE will be BHD.

When it comes to the 3rd route I think it will be either BLK, DSA or JER

[Edited 2013-02-05 18:11:56]

User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4597 times:

This

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 37):
When it comes to the 3rd route I think it will be either BLK, DSA or JER

Doesnt quite match with this (which I agree with).

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 37):
KL will opens routes that are currently not in the catchment area of existing routes and that are not yet served by any carrier from AMS.

BLK is pretty close to MAN really, DSA is right between HUY & LBA and JER is certainly a good possibility, but surely very seasonal, plus would Blue Islands really launch the route if they thought they would compete head to head with KL? There may be some loyal locals, but they will get their a$$ handed to them on a platter.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 37):
LON is a destination already well served from AMS, if anything there is already too much capacity on the LON to AMS route.

As O&D yes, but these pax will not be going to AMS or Holland, they will be going via AMS instead of LHR or a drive to their next nearest airport. Which is why I went with SEN. There really is quite a distance between SEN and LHR, not to mention the very nasty M25, and as LGW is not served, I do think it will complement their London presence nicely by covering east London, Essex and even north Kent, parts of Suffolk, Herts and Cambs are not too bad a drive or train ride to SEN compared to getting to LHR if you are heading to the Americas, Asia or Africa for example, not to mention the less zoo like attraction of the airport itself. LCY may be impacted as I say, but then again it does serve quite a specific niche market.



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User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 39, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4300 times:

All this discussion about LGW, LTN, STN neglects the fact that the article we are discussing says "cities", not "airports". London as a city is already served and while Crawley, Bishop's Stortford and Luton technically are not London, it would be quite a stretch to argue that serving these airports would fall in the "new city" category.

Plus, many of guys miss the point of KLM's strategy. KLM's market share from the UK has been decreasing, contrary to popular belief, because they are getting squeezed at their traditonal UK markets - larger airports in the regions like MAN, GLA, BHX, NCL - by Emirates who are offering one stop services to Asia, Africa and Oceania on shiney new long-haul planes. Therefore KLM is trying to offset resulting losses in UK-AMS traffic by adding more tertiary airports like MSE where there is no competion from ME carriers, no British Airways and very limited LCC service.


User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 40, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3997 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
KLM is to announce a further 3 UK destinations for 2013, up from its present 14.
Quoting vfw614 (Reply 39):
All this discussion about LGW, LTN, STN neglects the fact that the article we are discussing says "cities", not "airports".
Quoting vfw614 (Reply 8):
(excluding secondary airport at cities already served - the BBC articles mentions three more "cities", not "airports"):

Which 14 cities are currently served by KLM?
From the link posted in the first reply

Quoting shilenb (Reply 1):

http://www.manstonairport.com/news-and-events/klm-announcement.html

I quote:
The launch of the Manston service further cements KLM’s position as the UK’s regional airline of choice. The carrier now offers 17 departure airports in Great Britain, making it the UK’s largest long haul regional airline. Departure airports include London (Heathrow and City), Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Edinburgh, Inverness, Newcastle, Leeds, Cardiff, Bristol, Southampton, Durham Teesvalley, Humberside, Norwich and now Manston.

Note they mention 17 airports. Excluding Manston this adds up to 15 cities as LHR and LCY are both in London. Not 14 as mentioned in the BBC article. On the other hand, this supports the idea of 17 cities not airports which makes BHD the most likely candidate.


User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 1005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3857 times:

Just some 2012 passenger numbers UK-AMS-UK for the benefit of all:

UK-AMS-UK - Market Size -

Rank . code = 2012 - versus - 2011
1 LHR = 1.430.051 / 1.408.096
2 LGW = 677.165 / 627.486
3 MAN = 669.760 / 612.352
4 EDI = 566.919 / 559.315
5 BHX = 443.567 / 474.316
6 LCY = 387.114 / 366.710
7 GLA = 371.750 / 298.795
8 LTN = 326.144 / 269.502
9 BRS = 310.122 / 289.119
10 STN = 292.996 / 338.299
11 NCL = 284.839 / 258.662
12 ABZ = 281.624 / 272.067
13 LPL = 246.467 / 339.712
14 LBA = 218.939 / 230.770
15 NWI = 123.709 / 125.423
16 BFS = 116.410 / 99.020
17 HUY = 114.385 / 118.937
18 CWL = 111.960 / 121.730
19 SEN = 105.180 / 0
20 MME = 101.022 / 103.264
21 SOU = 94.379 / 97.075
22 EMA = 54.606 / 105.273
23 EXE = 33.796 / 33.466
24 INV = 26.280 / 5.976
25 BHD = 14.028 / 3.226
26 BOH = 420 / 0
27 BLK = 174 / 0
28 DSA = 0 / 771
29 CVT = 0 / 0
30 PIK = 0 / 0
31 JER = 0 / 0

Growth: 2012 vs 2011
LHR +1,6%
LGW +7,9%
MAN +9,4%
EDI +1,4%
BHX -6,5%
LCY +5,6%
GLA +24,4%
LTN +21,1%
BRS +7,3%
STN -13,4%
NCL +10,1%
ABZ +3,5%
LPL -27,4%
LBA -5,1%
NWI -1,4%
BFS +17.6%
HUY -3,8%
CWL -8%
SEN = NEW
MME -2,2%
SOU -2,8%
EMA -48,1%
EXE +1%
INV +339%
BHD +335%
BOH
BLK
DSA
CVT
PIK
JER


User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 42, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3796 times:

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 40):
The launch of the Manston service further cements KLM’s position as the UK’s regional airline of choice. The carrier now offers 17 departure airports in Great Britain, making it the UK’s largest long haul regional airline. Departure airports include London (Heathrow and City), Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Edinburgh, Inverness, Newcastle, Leeds, Cardiff, Bristol, Southampton, Durham Teesvalley, Humberside, Norwich and now Manston.

Note they mention 17 airports. Excluding Manston this adds up to 15 cities as LHR and LCY are both in London. Not 14 as mentioned in the BBC article. On the other hand, this supports the idea of 17 cities not airports which makes BHD the most likely candidate.


KLM / KLM cityhopper serve 13 airports /cities, whereas the AFKL group incl. code-share partners serve 16 airports from AMS:

1) London Heathrow
2) Norwich
3) Manchester,
4) Birmingham,
5) Glasgow,
6) Aberdeen,
7) Edinburgh,
8) Newcastle,
9) Leeds,
10) Cardiff,
11) Bristol,
12) Durham Teesvalley,
13) Humberside,

Manston will be #14.

London City is an Air France opb Cityjet destination

Inverness and Southampton are Flybe destinations wit BE code-share


User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 18):
LTN is a tad bit too close to LHR IMO, to become another destination without cannibalizing LHR too much, but one never knows.
Same goes for LPL, which is rather close to MAN. And LPL, as well as BLK, has the disadvantage of the sea restricting its catchment area. Same goes

LPL is slightly closer to MAN than LTN is to LHR which (until recently) both had KL service.

LTN also serves a slightly different catchment area in that as well as London, it also serves Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire, Bedfordshire, Northamptonshire and is an alternative airport for counties like Cambridgeshire, Oxfordshire, Berkshire (I used LTN once when I lived in Maidenhead as my options to where I wanted to go extended to there or LGW which I also ended up using another time) and taps into the market for BHX such as the West Midlands, Warwickshire and Leicestershire (also falls into EMA territory).

I think that until something is done about LHR the issues of airports like LTN competing with it will slowly become less of an issue if demand means it becomes attractive to use other airports to cater for demand in London/South East England in addition to LHR.

As for the North West, BLK is an alternative and better located for the Lake District, but in the Lakes' case it's sparsely populated and the area it serves, as you say, is overlapping with LPL and MAN (the latter also has a railway station).


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