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MAS Applies For AA Codeshares / End Own US Flight?  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25056 posts, RR: 46
Posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8225 times:

With MAS now in oneworld, the carriers have jointly applied for authority to offer reciprocal codeshare under existing US-Malaysia openskies authority.

The carriers seek to implement the codeshares effective March 31, 2013 in the below markets.

Operating Carrier AA:
NRT - DFW
NRT - LAX
NRT - ORD
LHR - BOS
LHR - DFW
LHR - ORD
LHR - RDU
LHR - JFK
LHR - LAX
LHR - MIA
FRA - DFW
CDG - JFK
CDG - MIA
CDG - DFW

Domestic US service points: ABQ, ATL, AUS, BOS, DEN, DTW, ELP, FLL, HNL, IAH, OGG, KOA, LAS, LIH, MRY, BNA, EWR, OKC, MCO, PHX, PDX, RNO, SAN, SFO, SJC, SBA, SEA, STL, TUS, IAD, DCA.

Operating Carrier MH:
KUL - LHR
KUL - FRA
KUL - CDG
KUL - NRT
KUL - BKK
KUL - BWN
KUL - CGK
KUL - DPS
KUL - HAN
KUL - HKG
KUL - PNH
KUL - REP
KUL - SGN
KUL - SIN

Domestic Malaysia service points of: PEN, BKI, KCH


Whats interesting there is no mention of MH current sole US service - NRT-LAX, but instead MH codeshare on 3 AA flights to the US from NRT including LAX. hmmm....


OST-2013-0022

[Edited 2013-02-04 15:56:38]


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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7906 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Whats interesting there is no mention of MH current sole US service - NRT-LAX, but instead MH codeshare on 3 AA flights to the US from NRT including LAX. hmmm....

I am pretty sure that the MH NRT LAX NRT sectors are goners. The flights have already been zeroed out in the front cabin. What is the point of a 4 weekly service anyway if 3 daily codeshares via NRT will be available with a bunch of additional options via Europe. I also presume that a similar deal with JL may be forthcoming for transpacific services.


User currently offlinechangyou From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7826 times:
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Rumour has it that NRT-LAX might be reverted back to TPE-LAX. Just some gossip from within the company. And with that, 744 will be kept only for LAX operation.

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11522 posts, RR: 61
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7806 times:

Quoting changyou (Reply 2):
Rumour has it that NRT-LAX might be reverted back to TPE-LAX. Just some gossip from within the company. And with that, 744 will be kept only for LAX operation.

  

I suspected that might be a possibility months ago when Malaysia announced it was joining oneworld.

The TPE-LAX market is saturated and low-yielding as Asia-U.S. markets go, but then again, these days so is TYO-LAX. However, between AA and JAL oneworld already had a substantial presence in the TYO-LAX market, whereas absent the EVA Air codeshare, AA has now lost its nonstop connectivity between the U.S. and TPE. Malaysia switching its U.S.-bound sector to go via TPE would allow AA to funnel some TPE-bound feed onto the Malaysia flight to compliment the JBA codeshare on JAL via NRT.

If that were to happen, though, a 747 would be totally unnecessary - 777 would be more than sufficient.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7652 times:

Quoting changyou (Reply 2):
Rumour has it that NRT-LAX might be reverted back to TPE-LAX.
Quoting commavia (Reply 3):
The TPE-LAX market is saturated and low-yielding as Asia-U.S. markets go, but then again, these days so is TYO-LAX.

Anything less than a daily operation will be dramatic for yields, whether the route is maintained via NRT or moved to TPE or any other transit point (HKG, ICN, MNL, etc) for that matter. TG is very much in the same boat with its 4 weekly operation at a god forsaken hour from BKK.

Quoting commavia (Reply 3):
If that were to happen, though, a 747 would be totally unnecessary - 777 would be more than sufficient.

Unless MH wants to offer a First Class product in the market.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12981 posts, RR: 100
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7599 times:
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Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 1):
I am pretty sure that the MH NRT LAX NRT sectors are goners. The flights have already been zeroed out in the front cabin.

That makes sense. NRT-LAX is simply too competitive a route.

Quoting changyou (Reply 2):
Rumour has it that NRT-LAX might be reverted back to TPE-LAX. Just some gossip from within the company. And with that, 744 will be kept only for LAX operation.

I'm not sure of the value of that. The point of a code share is to provide the connectivity.

TPE-LAX was dropped as a money losing route. Why would it be restarted? Best for MAS to keep a presence via a code share via CDG, LHR, and NRT. While I'm not certain why TPE wasn't included, I suspect it is due to available seats on AA metal at NRT.

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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11522 posts, RR: 61
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7554 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 4):
Anything less than a daily operation will be dramatic for yields, whether the route is maintained via NRT or moved to TPE or any other transit point

True, although TPE-LAX is never going to be an insanely high-yielding route to begin with. If MH wants to maintain some token presence to LAX for prestige or strategic reasons - and I'm not saying it does - then I don't think TPE is any worse a stopping point from which to do it, and in some ways is actually preferable to NRT.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 5):
TPE-LAX was dropped as a money losing route. Why would it be restarted? Best for MAS to keep a presence via a code share via CDG, LHR, and NRT.

Again, I could see it having some value purely so oneworld has some presence in the nonstop U.S.-TPE market, which is now controlled by SkyTeam and Star.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 5):
due to available seats on AA metal at NRT

If MH is indeed cancelling NRT-LAX, it certainly should help AA's and JAL's loads out of NRT as MH will likely be steering some of their U.S.-bound traffic onto the AA flights (although connecting times are relatively unfavorable). The connections via Europe (LHR/CDG/FRA) onto AA-bound flights offer very well-timed connections, though.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25056 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7358 times:

Lets see what MH does with LAX.

As we have discussed in other threads the airlines US services have reportedly been loss making for ages and seemingly run for prestige only these days. Gone is EWR while LAX has seen both reduced capacity and frequency.

Even with the reduction in capacity, the LAX loads have not been that great only averaging 70.8% for 2012.

Leveraging oneworld partners is probably a great opportunity for MAS. Between JAL and AA at NRT along with AA/BA at LHR it should be able to offer a wide range of flights to channel passengers to/from the US.



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5048 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6881 times:

I've always wondered why some of the SE Asian carriers don't change their N. American one-stops to cities such as KIX, NGO, FUK, CTS etc...they could have exclusive service from those markets to the US/Canada and provide additional feed at alliance hubs.

MH KUL-NGO-LAX for example would benefit from oneworld membership at all three points. Why fight it out in saturated markets against the home team?



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6684 times:
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Quoting commavia (Reply 6):
True, although TPE-LAX is never going to be an insanely high-yielding route to begin with. If MH wants to maintain some token presence to LAX for prestige or strategic reasons - and I'm not saying it does - then I don't think TPE is any worse a stopping point from which to do it, and in some ways is actually preferable to NRT.

One large benefit to Malaysia joining OneWorld is cancelling its flight to LAX. Sadly its doubtful we will see AA fly to KL even when the 787 arrives.

Quoting commavia (Reply 6):
MH is indeed cancelling NRT-LAX, it certainly should help AA's and JAL's loads out of NRT as MH will likely be steering some of their U.S.-bound traffic onto the AA flights (although connecting times are relatively unfavorable). The connections via Europe (LHR/CDG/FRA) onto AA-bound flights offer very well-timed connections, though.

LHR is a great connecting point since both airlines have large operations to London, especially for east coast USA connections.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12981 posts, RR: 100
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6532 times:
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Quoting commavia (Reply 6):
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 5):
TPE-LAX was dropped as a money losing route. Why would it be restarted? Best for MAS to keep a presence via a code share via CDG, LHR, and NRT.

Again, I could see it having some value purely so oneworld has some presence in the nonstop U.S.-TPE market, which is now controlled by SkyTeam and Star.

But the value has to earn a profit. I just do not see the MAS making a profit. Thus, the route should be cut. I agree TPE will probably do better than NRT... but not well enough.

Airlines are businesses and need to stop concerning themselves with prestige outside of their advertisement campaigns.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 8):
MH KUL-NGO-LAX for example would benefit from oneworld membership at all three points.

I thought ANA flew NGO-LAX? MH would still be slugging it out versus a competitor.

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User currently offlineoc2dc From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4975 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 8):
I've always wondered why some of the SE Asian carriers don't change their N. American one-stops to cities such as KIX, NGO, FUK, CTS etc...they could have exclusive service from those markets to the US/Canada and provide additional feed at alliance hubs.

That's an excellent point. I don't know if those markets are big enough to support a daily flight, but with connecting traffic, it could work. And l bet yields would be a little better out of some of those markets as well considering the lack of competition.



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User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4301 times:

Sort of unrelated, but is KUL-LAX nonstop possible with a B77L?

User currently offlinenickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 12):

Yes but almost certainly not profitably.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3876 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 10):
I thought ANA flew NGO-LAX? MH would still be slugging it out versus a competitor.

Nobody flies LAXNGO, nor LAXKIX.

EVA tried doing LAXKIX for a while, and it lasted on summer.

China Airlines currently routes JFK via Osaka, though.



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User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
One large benefit to Malaysia joining OneWorld is cancelling its flight to LAX. Sadly its doubtful we will see AA fly to KL even when the 787 arrives.

sad because thats one less airline that connects to the indian subcontinent. I used to be a regular on MH, but then they started cutting their frequencies and EK started LAX, so i switched to EK. Now EK has become rediculous on the pricing from LAX, so i was looking at maybe trying MH again, but with their old product, it doesnt interest me much anymore.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25056 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 8):

I've always wondered why some of the SE Asian carriers don't change their N. American one-stops to cities such as KIX, NGO, FUK, CTS etc...they could have exclusive service from those markets to the US/Canada and provide additional feed at alliance hubs.

Might be exclusive, however even when the home carrier don't operate these services one needs to wonder why.

For example today the sole flight between these markets and California is UA's SFO-KIX. The other routes have come and gone. SFO-NGO, LAX-KIX, LAX-NGO etc have all seen failure (often repeated failures) over the years.

So I cant see how these routes would do much better being flown by a 3rd nation airline like MH.



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User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

TG used to fly LAX-KIX-Bangkok, i know because i took this route back in 2005.

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3128 times:
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What I would love to see, but probably will not, is for Malaysia to fly their A380 via Europe to JFK like Singapore Airlines does today.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25056 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

A contact tells me the intended plan was for MH to discontinue NRT-LAX service on March 24th.
However there are some issue that came up and the route is still loaded in GDS as normal by default.

Not sure if its awaiting the codeshare approval, or if they are working on permits to operate via another point again (?TPE), or maybe Malaysian politics getting in the way from dropping the flight.



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User currently offlineAirAfreak From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 712 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2688 times:
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Does anyone know if MH plans to purchase 787's and perhaps use them for transpacific flights to the US? Would this offer cost savings for operating such a route? I would hate to see them leave LAX and I am sure OneWorld passengers connecting to/from an AA flight would agree. This is my opinion as I haven't seen any mention of AA winning any "Best Cabin Crew" Awards like MH has. Please correct me if I am wrong. =]

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25056 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

Personally if they leave LAX, let them leave.
I think OW provides a very unique opportunity for MH to finally fix its troubled US operations.



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User currently offline9MMPQ From Netherlands, joined Nov 2011, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

Quoting AirAfreak (Reply 20):
Does anyone know if MH plans to purchase 787's and perhaps use them for transpacific flights to the US?

Not for the foreseeable future. The B777 will be up first for a decision on it's future and personally i'm seeing them go for a refurbishment rather then anything else. The talk there is about the B777 leaving the fleet within the next 1-2 years for the moment is just that & beyond it nobody is talking about realistically possible & viable replacements.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 21):
Personally if they leave LAX, let them leave.
I think OW provides a very unique opportunity for MH to finally fix its troubled US operations.

That's what i'd put my    on.



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