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First DL A330 In For Interior Mods  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6447 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 13316 times:

According to a post at FT, DL has sent in its first A330 for interior mods. The aircraft is ship 3301, an A333.

For those who haven't been following DL's product updates, the A330s will be getting Zodiac/Weber Cirrus full-flat seats in BusinessElite and B/E Aerospace Pinnacle slimline seats with winged headrests in Y. The existing Panasonic 3000i IFE system will be replaced by the more advanced and lighter weight Panasonic eX2 system, with the Eco 9i Integrated Smart Monitors in Y. All A330s should be done in 2014.

[Edited 2013-02-04 20:22:28]


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User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2949 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 13322 times:
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As per the IFE, I cannot understand a word you just said.   That's my idiocracy at work again.

Can you answer me this:

1. Are there currently screens in the headrests?
2. WILL there be screens in the headrests?

Thanks and once again I apologize for my stupidity.                



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7233 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 13272 times:

The IFE, IIRC, is what they're offering in the 77L and 74S cabins.

It's about time. I love the 330 but DL until now really didn't do any justice with it.



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User currently offlinedeltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13190 times:

Good news to hear - I flew on the 747 a couple of weeks ago and that was the best business class seat I've flown on - went to bed right after dinner right off the coast of Russia and then woke up 9 hours later over Minnesota en route to Kennedy. Slept a lot better than on the A330 I took going over to Japan with the angled-lie flat seats.

Also a much more comfortable seat than the 777 (I also took that on this trip) - a lot more space for everything on the 747.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13091 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):
1. Are there currently screens in the headrests?
2. WILL there be screens in the headrests?

Yes...and Yes



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User currently offlinemichman From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13084 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):

As per the IFE, I cannot understand a word you just said.   That's my idiocracy at work again.

Can you answer me this:

1. Are there currently screens in the headrests?
2. WILL there be screens in the headrests?

They are both personal AVOD systems (yes, there are monitors in the headrest currently). The 3000i is an early generation AVOD system with a hand-based controller (no touch-screen). The eX2 system with Eco9i monitor is the lastest generation and uses a touch-screen. It also has a USB charging port.

[Edited 2013-02-04 20:54:43]

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13060 times:

Quoting michman (Reply 5):
However, I thought the A330's were supposed the lastest generation Panasonic Eco 9i's.

The Eco 9i is not a specific type of IFE system, it is an advanced lightweight monitor integrated into either a Weber 5751 or B/E Aerospace Pinnacle seat, which is compatible with the eFX and eX2 systems. In Y, the A330s will be getting B/E Aerospace Pinnacle seats with the Eco 9i monitors.

[Edited 2013-02-04 20:57:47]


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7233 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13039 times:

The current IFE offering on the 330s are the ex-NW offerings, which were some early 2000s model and were quite outdated. The new offerings are going to be highly customizable by the airline and it should be a better and more enjoyable product by the customer  


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User currently offlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 931 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12982 times:

This is good to hear.

They're converting 767's 6 at a time to the new product and now starting on A330's  

Delta will be the only US airline with lie-flats that have direct aisle access on all international planes as well as coach seats with IFE across the board in the very near future.


User currently offlineCanadianDC10 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 346 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12776 times:

Why would DL replace the economy seats in the ex-NW A330's? The earliest A330 they have is from 2003, so it is really not THAT outdated. There are already screens in the seat backs and in economy there are already winged headrests. Isn't this just a huge waste of money? There's absolutely nothing wrong with the IFE and seats the 330's have now.

[Edited 2013-02-04 22:29:55]

User currently onlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1918 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12667 times:

Nice to see them finally hit mods, but in coach it will be tough to beat the product back in the NW days. That included the comfy cloth covers and great IFE selection (and I like handsets much better than touchscreens). Since DL took over the, leather covers (which didn't match the seat well) and DL programming was a downgrade. It's too bad that something nearly 10 years old will still be as good or better depending on your preference. If I get a chance to ride on a refurbished A330, it will be interesting to see how it compares to UA's 764s in coach. Now that is one nice ride.

User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4880 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12384 times:
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Quoting klkla (Reply 8):
They're converting 767's 6 at a time to the new product and now starting on A330's

There will only be one A333 and one A332 undergoing mods this spring, at least that's the last I heard. The rest of the fleet will only start in the fall though. The 767s will continue at the current pace until June. None will be done this summer, and then will restart in September.

Quoting klkla (Reply 8):
Delta will be the only US airline with lie-flats that have direct aisle access on all international planes

Unfortunately, the 75Es (which they do use on some internationals like ATL-BSB, JFK-SNN/KEF/DKR, CDG-PHL/PIT) will not have direct aisle access when the flat beds are installed - they will still be in the 2-2 config. This is because there is no economic way to have 1-1 on the 757 in the forward cabin...

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 10):
great IFE selection

The new IFE selection (300+ movies, for example) will be better than whatever NWA used to have. But then again, you would probably complain that you have too many choices...

[Edited 2013-02-05 03:19:53]

User currently offlinerwsea From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3083 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12213 times:

The A330s have generally been nicer than the rest of the DL international fleet, but this is changing fast. The new business class seats and expanded IFE offerings should make things even better.

User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11895 times:

What will be the breakdown in seat count between Biz Elite, Economy Comfort, and Economy?


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User currently offlineCanadianDC10 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 346 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11789 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 10):
but in coach it will be tough to beat the product back in the NW days. That included the comfy cloth covers and great IFE selection (and I like handsets much better than touchscreens). Since DL took over the, leather covers (which didn't match the seat well) and DL programming was a downgrade. It's too bad that something nearly 10 years old will still be as good or better depending on your preference.

Exactly!!! Total downgrade on DL's part.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11443 times:

Quoting CanadianDC10 (Reply 9):
Why would DL replace the economy seats in the ex-NW A330's? The earliest A330 they have is from 2003, so it is really not THAT outdated. There are already screens in the seat backs and in economy there are already winged headrests. Isn't this just a huge waste of money? There's absolutely nothing wrong with the IFE and seats the 330's have now.

The new IFE system has far more storage capacity and weighs much less. The Eco 9i Integrated Smart Monitors cannot simply be retrofitted onto any seat that can fit a monitor; the seats (B/E Aerospace Pinnacle in this case) are customized specifically for them.



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2993 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11418 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 11):
Unfortunately, the 75Es (which they do use on some internationals like ATL-BSB, JFK-SNN/KEF/DKR, CDG-PHL/PIT) will not have direct aisle access when the flat beds are installed - they will still be in the 2-2 config.

Are they using the same type of seats that UA uses on its 757s, or something else?



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11403 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 16):
Are they using the same type of seats that UA uses on its 757s, or something else?

They will be a modified version of the B/E Aerospace Diamond designed specifically for DL.



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User currently offlinedlflynhayn From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 420 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11369 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 11):
The new IFE selection (300+ movies, for example) will be better than whatever NWA used to have. But then again, you would probably complain that you have too many choices...

  

Quoting rwsea (Reply 12):
The A330s have generally been nicer than the rest of the DL international fleet, but this is changing fast. The new business class seats and expanded IFE offerings should make things even better.

Huh?? I go to AMS often and lately i will wait to get on that last flight on the 777 out of DTW,and even sometimes i'll chose the new refurbished 767er's which is again better IMO...


User currently offlinefanoftristars From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11335 times:

Aren't the newer seats much lighter and therefore pay for themselves in fuel savings?

Could they take the old panasonic systems out of the A330 and put them in the A320s? LOL.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11280 times:

Quoting fanoftristars (Reply 19):
Aren't the newer seats much lighter and therefore pay for themselves in fuel savings?

Not just the seats, but the IFE system as well.

Quoting fanoftristars (Reply 19):
Could they take the old panasonic systems out of the A330 and put them in the A320s? LOL.

No. The Panasonic 3000i is a widebody-only system.



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User currently offlineMaddogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11281 times:

Quoting fanoftristars (Reply 19):
Could they take the old panasonic systems out of the A330 and put them in the A320s? LOL.

Oh if wishing made it so, LOL! I think the A319/320 & MD-90 are on missions that are too long not to have some form of IFE.


User currently offlineairtechy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11229 times:

I am extremely glad to see the A330 business class seats go. Being trapped by those seats once they were reclined was the pits. I could usually avoid the seats except on NRT to BKK.

The new lie flats are fantastic ... especially on the 747.  

Jim


User currently offlineBCBHokie From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10576 times:

Delta's been sending the 330s to AMS while mostly serving CDG with the newly refubished 767 fleet... creating a lower-yield and higher-yield differentiation between the two european hubs.

Now that DL will have a top quality business class product to AMS, they'll make KLM's disaster of a hard product look even worse in comparison. I wonder if KLM will begin any refurbishment to match? Their seats are really outdated - what they call an "angled lie flat" is barely better than DL's old 767-300 recliners.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10546 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 17):
Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 16):
Are they using the same type of seats that UA uses on its 757s, or something else?

They will be a modified version of the B/E Aerospace Diamond designed specifically for DL.

...which is the same seat that UA uses on the 752 fleet. AA is also using the Diamond seat as their J class on the 321 transcon fleet.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 10):
If I get a chance to ride on a refurbished A330, it will be interesting to see how it compares to UA's 764s in coach. Now that is one nice ride.

Should be the same seat and IFE monitor as on UAs 764/763 2-class...the differences would be the amount of movies onboard (depends on the amount of storage that DL purchases) and of course cloth vs leather.



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25 DTWPurserBoy : The A330 is a great airplane in its present state. These improvements will make it state of the art. Most complaints I ever had was about the WBC seat
26 michman : The 330's recently had an upgrade on their IFE systems. Not sure if the 3000i hardware was upgraded, or if it was just a firmware upgrade. At any rat
27 FoxBravo : Thanks, both. I've taken the UA version on 757s and 777s and find it very comfortable for sitting and sleeping. My only complaint is that it can be q
28 SQ452 : Have interior mods been completed for all the 747's for DL?
29 modesto2 : Yes, all DL 747s have the cabin mods.
30 MSPNWA : That's a good sign then. I was quite impressed with the new seats and IFE system on the UA 764. I'm not a big fan of touchscreens since I like to pla
31 nwa757300 : A330-200: 34 BE, 32 EC, 168 YC = 234 (loss of 11 seats) A330-300: 34 BE, 32 EC, 227 YC = 293 (loss of 5 seats)[Edited 2013-02-05 10:48:57]
32 SXDFC : I am a bit confused with regards to the DL mods.. Will the A330s feature the same product that is on the 767, or the 747? From the looks of it, the pr
33 1337Delta764 : The flat beds in BusinessElite will be the same product as on the 744s, the Zodiac/Weber Cirrus. However, in Y, the A330s will be the first to use th
34 toobz : MSPNWA... This mod is light years ahead of what NWA ever had. Cloth or no cloth.
35 YULWinterSkies : 747s are done, 764 and 777s have the new system also, 767-300 being worked on... I let you guess that next on the list are the A330s. There is indeed
36 1337Delta764 : In addition, the new seats and IFE system weigh much less than the existing ones, thus saving DL some fuel.
37 rwsea : KL is supposedly starting the installation of lie-flat seats this summer. They haven't released the design yet but have said as much. The 747s are su
38 JAAlbert : So what does an airline do with the thousands of seats its removes from an airplane? Are they recyclable or do they get tossed into the trash?
39 bizjet : I'm curious to see the LOPA for the A330-300. Will BusinessElite now have a small second cabin behind 2L/2R? If I recall correctly, US Airways only fi
40 bizjet : Actually, looking at the current DL seat map for the A333, it looks like they're holding BE and EC seat counts flat and reducing Y by 5 seats. Based o
41 MSPNWA : "Ahead" in this case is a matter of personal preference. The chance that I will like this product more than the original A330 product or even UA's ne
42 FoxBravo : I'm very glad to hear that, and I agree with your assessment. I have generally had excellent service on KL, and I like flying through AMS--it's the h
43 nwa757300 : I have the LOPAs for the new configurations but I don't think I can post them without someone on here having a fit. The business class galley is bein
44 cokepopper : The iphone/ipad app has the A330-200 layout displayed with lie flat seats.
45 PSU.DTW.SCE : DL is proceeding now with the first mod of each an A330-200 & -300 as a pilot / proof of concept. As with any of the mods, the first aircraft alwa
46 Alnicocunife : Delta takes some of the used seats and donates them to the Delta museum. The Delta museum sells them to support its operation. Most of the seats are
47 modesto2 : I beg to differ. I'm confident that a product that is 10 years newer will be viewed by most as an improvement. More selections, bigger screens, and a
48 jr : I know we all have preferences, but I fail to see the voice of reason in your constant gripes against anything delta does and fail to see your broad
49 n7371f : Right because only every airplane has a restroom right behind the cockpit.
50 audidudi : Actually the lavs on DL B764s are located behind BE, adjacent to doors 2L and 2R.
51 CanadianDC10 : It doesn't matter how many people will agree with him or not - this isn't a popularity contest, and it doesn't make anyone any better than others to
52 delimit : Everyone is entitled to an opinion if we're discussing something subjective. Everyone with an opinion should then be prepared to defend it, because ot
53 toobz : Canadian...exactly what part of what of he said do you agree with? That NW interior is better than this? I think it's a bit too soon to tell...because
54 MSPNWA : Look at what happens when people jump into a thread without reading the whole story. All we have are ignorant responses. I specifically stated "in coa
55 CanadianDC10 : I have nothing against DL, and said nothing negative about them. Being an hour away from DTW, I fly them frequently. I was just defending the opinion
56 CanadianDC10 : And I also, off the bat, claimed I was talking about the economy seats only.
57 CanadianDC10 : I agree with all of the above. I miss the handsets. Unfortunately, Air Canada has touchscreen PTV's, but it's nice that they've had PTV's in their ma
58 1337Delta764 : One thing that I don't understand is that the new B/E Aerospace Pinnacle seats on UA have actually gotten pretty good reviews. However, as always, DL
59 toobz : I specifically brought up Y lol..REREAD my post. ok I get it..DL uses leather because they r a lot larger than NWA ever was and it's easier to maintai
60 toobz : And as far as PTV goes..can I get an Amen. DL is the only US airline that is commited to bringing that to every INTL aircraft. And as far as J goes, D
61 CanadianDC10 : Annnnnd I never said ANYTHING about their J product because I know those pod seats aren't all that great... So actually, you didn't read my comments
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