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Air China’s PEK-IAH Service Now Ready For Booking  
User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

Since the previous thread announcing the start of Air China's PEK-IAH has be archived, I am starting a new one to advise that booking is now open on this flight after a quick round of government approvals.

Air China’s Houston-Beijing Service Now Ready for Booking

Published: February 5, 2013

Following approval from the U.S. Department of Transportation, fares for Air China’s Houston-Beijing flights are now available on the Global Distribution System-

Read more here: http://www.heraldonline.com/2013/02/...beijing-service.html#storylink=cpy

LOS ANGELES — Business and leisure travelers can now book their trip to Beijing and beyond from Houston. Scheduled to start on July 11, 2013, Air China’s new service between Houston and Beijing was approved by the U.S. Department of Transportation.

“The speed that the United States Department of Transportation approved this new route speaks a great deal of the value of the Beijing to Houston connection. Our 30-year partnership with China is a strong foundation to build Air China’s new route to Beijing, which enhances the business opportunities of more than 500 Houston enterprises that today work closely with China,” said Houston Mayor Annise Parker.

[Edited 2013-02-05 07:53:33]

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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4978 times:

Welcome to IAH Air China!!!


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4769 times:

If this route doesn't succeed I will be very surprised.


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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4747 times:

I think this route could go daily, if it does very well.


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User currently offlineindcwby From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4722 times:


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Will be nice to see this flying over Houston skies.


User currently offlinedtfg From China, joined Jan 2013, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4651 times:

Is there a codeshare agreement with United?

User currently offlineindcwby From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

Quoting dtfg (Reply 5):


Both in STAR Alliance, I would think they would have something already.


User currently offlinenrt1011 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

It still amazes me that so many airlines want to fly to Houston. Houston! Did I miss something and suddenly Houston turned into a world class city?

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7510 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4546 times:

Quoting nrt1011 (Reply 7):
Did I miss something and suddenly Houston turned into a world class city?

Houston is definately an up and comer. It has really come onto the world stage in the last 15 years or so. The oil industry creates a lot of international demand for the city.



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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):

I bet IAH will get more destinations in years to come.



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User currently offlinePbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 613 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4446 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 9):
I bet IAH will get more destinations in years to come.

Wow, do you really think so? What an incredible insight. You should be an aviation analyst with your ability to make such bold statements. Sheesh!


User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4445 times:

Quoting nrt1011 (Reply 7):
It still amazes me that so many airlines want to fly to Houston. Houston! Did I miss something and suddenly Houston turned into a world class city?
Quoting nrt1011 (Reply 7):
Houston is definately an up and comer. It has really come onto the world stage in the last 15 years or so. The oil industry creates a lot of international demand for the city.

I have to agree with the "up and coming" aspect. If you take out O&G which is the top driver for the city as well as arguably for the region that is the "Gulf Coast" you will also find that the desire to connect with the city is also for other well reknown industries according to http://www.houston.org/economic-deve...distribution-logistics/index.aspx.

One example mentioned concerns the surface related Shipping / Logistics business in which Houston is:

1st in U.S. port volume of foreign tonnage
2nd in U.S. ports for total tonnage
7th largest U.S. container port
16th largest port in the world
Connects directly to two major railroads, 150 trucking lines and 1000 international ports

The Port of Houston in particular directly correlates with virtually every major shipping company on the planet:

COSCO - China
Hanjin - China
Maersk - Denmark
Hapag Lloyd - Germany
Hamburg Sud - Germany
P&O NedLloyd - Holland
Stolt-Nielson - Holland
Evergreen Group - Taiwan
Yang Seng - China

Other areas in which Houston has become an attractive destination would be regarding the UT Medical / MD Anderson Cancer Research Center (people around the globe come here for specialized treatments they may not be able to obtain in the home countries).

Biotech / Life Science industry is also another industry that is coming online at a greater pace than ever before. In fact, alot of these experts work in both the Life Sciences industry or are affiiliated with the UT Med Center / MD Anderson in which they come from other countries too include the EU, China, India, Pakistan, as well as some African / Caribbean nations.

Let's not forget the research and development industries for both Nano & Advanced Technologies which to some extent go hand in hand with both a thriving Energy and Aerospace & Aviation industry (ie: the Johnson Space Center, United Space Alliance and Lockheed Martin).

Then finally, their's a final element that comes to mind which would be the number of global headquarters based in Houston....23 to be exact in which Houston is 2nd in the country behind only NYC.

Personally, I don't see how IAH will be able to absorb many more carriers concerning the state T-D is in right now, but I also think that their are not to many more Star Alliance members on the board right now that would actually begin a service to IAH in the future say for Air New Zealand, Scandinavian and possibly ANA. In my mind, once Air China and Turkish come online the pattern is likely going to be full for new additions at least until after construction gets closer to completion.


User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2274 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

Quoting nrt1011 (Reply 7):

It still amazes me that so many airlines want to fly to Houston. Houston! Did I miss something and suddenly Houston turned into a world class city?

I speant 5 years there. Its a huge city. On top of just oil there are many other energy sector companies based there. Waste Management, Shell (USA), Anadarko, ExxonMobil Upstream, ConocoPhilips, Citgo, Dow Chemical (HQ is in MI), Apache Energy, Saudi Aramco, Men's Warehouse, Sysco, FlightAware, Universal Aviation & Weather, Bristow Group. Marathon Oil, Kinder Morgan, Halliburton, etc. all have their world or US HQ's in Houston. With few exceptions, Houston was one of the only areas in the US not hit with the real estate bubble and subsequent collapse. Cost of living is low, there is low unemployment, and there are alot of skilled jobs in the vicinity. Johnson Space Center and all their associated private groups (Boeing, Lockheed, United Space Alliance etc.) also contribute a high amount of skilled workers.

What I see hindering IAH's growth (and another person has already stated this) is its lack of international terminal space. Without using hard stands and busses, the euro push (mid afternoon through 7-9PM) takes up mostly every gate.



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2165 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4385 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 11):
Personally, I don't see how IAH will be able to absorb many more carriers concerning the state T-D is in right now

Yeah, especially because according to so many people, none of the additions will come on UA metal and D will run out of space   

sorry, i had to  
Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 11):
Air New Zealand, Scandinavian and possibly ANA.

NZ is possible maybe once (or if) they receive their 789s. I do know that NZ was frustrated when UA decided to pull the much-anticipated IAH-AKL route. It will be interesting if they feel compelled to fill the gap themselves on their own metal, but I can't offer expert opinion on this one.

ANA is interesting, if indeed UA and NH sees potential in going double-daily on IAH-NRT as part of the JV. I personally don't see it happening anytime in the near future given that yields on the US-Japan market are kind of stagnated right now and the primary focus for both carriers seem to be targeting secondary markets (i.e. SJC) and right-sizing existing ones (LAX). Then again, NH is going double daily to ORD, so stranger things may happen.

Finally, SK is kind of SKating on thin ice right now. Who knows what will happen with them.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17361 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4276 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 13):

Yeah, especially because according to so many people, none of the additions will come on UA metal and D will run out of space

Glad you've noticed the pattern of new UA destinations by hub since the HOU decision:

ORD: 9
CLE: 2
DEN: 7
EWR: 7
IAD: 8
LAX: 3
SFO: 5

IAH: 0

But feel free to hold your breath 



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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):

Who knows maybe they are saving IAH for last. I think this is no big deal, because some of the new routes are already served by UA at IAH.

[Edited 2013-02-05 17:06:33]


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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4196 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 15):
Who knows maybe they are saving IAH for last.

No   

Quoting nrt1011 (Reply 7):
Houston! Did I miss something and suddenly Houston turned into a world class city?

Yep, you did miss something. I'm 31 so I was too young to really understand the oil boom...but being from Houston and practicing dentistry here now...I would not live in ANY other city in this country. I am not jaded, the city is by no means perfect. There are other cities that I think are more aesthetically pleasing; but when you factor in the cost of living and overall quality of life...it can't be beat. The increase in wages that you would get moving elsewhere is lower than the percentage of increase in cost of living...I live like a king down here off of what I make! I don't think I really could say the same if I lived in any other major city...well any other major city worth mentioning.



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User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3924 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4188 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 11):
1st in U.S. port volume of foreign tonnage
2nd in U.S. ports for total tonnage
7th largest U.S. container port
16th largest port in the world
Connects directly to two major railroads, 150 trucking lines and 1000 international ports

The Port of Houston in particular directly correlates with virtually every major shipping company on the planet:

COSCO - China
Hanjin - China
Maersk - Denmark
Hapag Lloyd - Germany
Hamburg Sud - Germany
P&O NedLloyd - Holland
Stolt-Nielson - Holland
Evergreen Group - Taiwan
Yang Seng - China

Other areas in which Houston has become an attractive destination would be regarding the UT Medical / MD Anderson Cancer Research Center (people around the globe come here for specialized treatments they may not be able to obtain in the home countries).

Biotech / Life Science industry is also another industry that is coming online at a greater pace than ever before. In fact, alot of these experts work in both the Life Sciences industry or are affiiliated with the UT Med Center / MD Anderson in which they come from other countries too include the EU, China, India, Pakistan, as well as some African / Caribbean nations.

Let's not forget the research and development industries for both Nano & Advanced Technologies which to some extent go hand in hand with both a thriving Energy and Aerospace & Aviation industry (ie: the Johnson Space Center, United Space Alliance and Lockheed Martin).

Then finally, their's a final element that comes to mind which would be the number of global headquarters based in Houston....23 to be exact in which Houston is 2nd in the country behind only NYC.

All well and good, but I suspect these industries are not likely to send their reps to the far flung areas of the globe that the energy sector currently does and I doubt they will shell out the mega-bucks for those seats up front. I wonder if O&G were not the dominant industry in Houston, where IAH's position would be with regards to int'l service?

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 15):
Who knows maybe they are saving IAH for last. I think this is no big deal, because some of the new routes are already served by UA at IAH.

Too easy............  

[Edited 2013-02-05 17:28:09]


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4157 times:

Quoting nrt1011 (Reply 7):
. Houston! Did I miss something and suddenly Houston turned into a world class city?

Oh my...don't let the IAH guys read your post....   

Seriously Houston is doign really well and it as great city to do business.....not to mention one of the biggest cities in the USA



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User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3924 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

Quoting nrt1011 (Reply 7):
Houston! Did I miss something and suddenly Houston turned into a world class city?



I would not say that Houston (nor any city in Texas) is "World Class or Cosmopolitan " but it is certainly an"International City".

[Edited 2013-02-05 17:55:19]


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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 18):

and not to mention UA' s largest hub on a seasonal basis. And I am an IAH guy. But I dont like the whining that has taken place, especially against UA. This is supposed to a topic about CA's IAH-PEK flight now being available for booking. I bet if Smisek ever sees a.net, he would regret that horrible PR mess in Houston about the HOU expansion. Just my 2 cents.

[Edited 2013-02-05 17:54:46]


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User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4103 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 17):
I wonder if O&G were not the dominant industry in Houston, where IAH's position would be with regards to int'l service?

IMHO.....you might have a LH 748i instead of an A388, you would likely have x2 BA 777's instead of 1 or 2 - 744's, likely still have Emirates, but not so sure about QR...also wouldn't have a UA service to AMS & Lagos, Nigeria, a "Houston Express" to Luanda, Angola, TK service from IST, or a rumored SK service from Norway. You would continue to have both KL & AF and I still believe Air China would have come eventually .... IAH would still have a reasonably better line up than rival DFW.

[Edited 2013-02-05 18:08:10]

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17361 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4058 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 19):
I would not say that Houston (nor any city in Texas) is "World Class or Cosmopolitan " but it is certainly an"International City".

All those terms are pretty arbitrary and subjective, but you'd be hard pressed to find a city anywhere that has more at your fingertips, for less, than Dallas or Houston. AUS/DFW/IAH are lately at the top of any list, including the fastest growing US cities, and people aren't flocking to TX because it's a horrible place to live:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/morganbr...3/americas-fastest-growing-cities/



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User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4058 times:

I've been all over the world. Houston isn't a pretty city filled with tons of history, but it is a city filled with a diverse and growing population. Also, Houstonians tend to be very friendly, open, and accepting.

We've got a big sea port. A big airport. A big medical center. An affordable housing stock. Incredible bars and restaurants. We might not be the prettiest girl at the dance, but we're a good time at 2 a.m.!

Was still hoping for OZ to Seoul... Come on Asiana!


User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4052 times:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 23):

Your patience will pay off one day  



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 25, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4166 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 17):
I wonder if O&G were not the dominant industry in Houston, where IAH's position would be with regards to int'l service?

Somewhere between LAS and DFW in my opinion...in relation to international traffic.

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 23):
but we're a good time at 2 a.m.!

OH Lord Yes



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User currently offlineinfinit From Singapore, joined exactly 6 years ago today! , 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4167 times:

SQ's SIN-DME-IAH flight is quite expensive with all the business traffic pushing fares up but there's no way in hell I'm going on CA.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17361 posts, RR: 46
Reply 27, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4153 times:

Quoting infinit (Reply 26):

SQ's SIN-DME-IAH flight is quite expensive with all the business traffic pushing fares up but there's no way in hell I'm going on CA.


Just buy a rt to SGN/CGK/DPS/BKK and a rt on an LCC to SIN 



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4129 times:

Now we can China off our IAH wishlist! Let the new round of speculation begin!

Congratulations to IAH, Air China, and the greatest city on the planet!



Go coogs! \n//
User currently offlineinfinit From Singapore, joined exactly 6 years ago today! , 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4092 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 27):

yeap, or for US connections one easy way to fly DL or UA that fly to the states via

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 27):
Just buy a rt to SGN/CGK/DPS/BKK and a rt on an LCC to SIN 

Yeap. Or for a whole wealth of US connections, an easy way would be to fly DL or UA. From SIN they fly via NRT to the states


User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 28):

My speculation is ICN with OZ.
SCL,GYE on UA.



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4006 times:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 23):
I've been all over the world. Houston isn't a pretty city filled with tons of history, but it is a city filled with a diverse and growing population. Also, Houstonians tend to be very friendly, open, and accepting.

Not to digress too much, but Houston actually has a good amount of great history, it just doesn't always embrace it very well IMO.
Over the years Houston has always had a new, new, new, tear down the old and build new things philosophy.

For example, Greater Houston was the site of one of the most lopsided battles in world military history (San Jacinto), that was piggybacked by some of the most important changes for North America in its "European" minded history.

Houston was the capital of an independent country for example, and the former Embassy from the United States was located near market square downtown. Houston was a first with many things historically that I won't bore you with here

And nearby Galveston, which is in the Houston metro, also has tons of great history. That i'll save for another post.

Sadly as I mentioned in many ways, Houston does not put its history on display as well as other cities. (Texas as a whole for that matter)



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User currently offlineinfinit From Singapore, joined exactly 6 years ago today! , 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

Sorry for the double post earlier, poor internet connection.

User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

Hopefully Saudia can come to IAH. Be nice to have a flight to Dammam or Riyadh.

User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3987 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 33):
Hopefully Saudia can come to IAH. Be nice to have a flight to Dammam or Riyadh.

The wealthy Saudi's, and many princes who come to Houston often come on private or gov't owned aircraft.
The oil companies, like Aramco, have their own fleets of bizjets that ply the IAH-Saudi route weekly. Plus Saudi cargo already makes an apearance.

Aramco is hiring, and there is a rumour the Saudi Consulate is expanding so I presume the Kingdom is increasing its presence in the city. However, I'd say it is doubtful for now. Not impossible, but doubtful.



Ciao Windjet mi manchi
User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 34):

Thought it would be make good money due to lots of Saudi business in Houston dealing in the energy sector I guess not.
Hopefully SAS, Asiana, or, Air New Zealand would arrive at IAH in the next year or two.


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3930 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 35):
Thought it would be make good money due to lots of Saudi business in Houston dealing in the energy sector I guess not.
Hopefully SAS, Asiana, or, Air New Zealand would arrive at IAH in the next year or two.

Never say never but again I don't think it is a priority for them, Southwest Asia is well covered by QR and EK and soon TK (yes I know the airport is technically in Europe)

If I were betting I would pick SAS before Saudia though both are longish shots IMO.



Ciao Windjet mi manchi
User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

I would pick Air New Zealand before any of those, so you have Australia & New Zealand area covered from IAH.

User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

Houston certainly has some history as you mentioned. However, it isn't the type to draw in international visitors. Quite frankly, after my last visit to the San Jacinto Monument, that's probably a good thing. The drive there isn't pretty but it does show what the city is all about (industry).

I love Houston. I lived in New York and Boston for a combined 21 years. There's no way in hell I'd go live in either of those cities again and I turned down a job opportunity in San Fran to come here. I fell in love with the PEOPLE here after having to come here for work over the years. At the end of the day, it's the people you are surrounded with that matter more than the coastline, mountain view, or architectural monuments.

That said, bring on Beijing. Haven't been there since 1985. So much has changed since then. Not sure I'd take CA to get there though...


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7510 posts, RR: 24
Reply 39, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3545 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 22):

Which is exactly why I live here (in Dallas). I'll take it a step further and say that no other cities in the US offer the amount of ammenities that Houston and Dallas offer when factoring in the cost of living. Both have world class shopping and dining (including fine dining and ethnic food from just about every country on the planet) as well as extremely diverse and integrated populaces. Statistically Houston is the fourth most diverse major metro area in the US and DFW is the 6th. Houston is the 7th largest gateway for international immigration and DFW is the 8th. Houston has an excellent fine arts and culture scene and Dallas has an excellent nightlife and is a surprisingly great party city. Bothe are surprisingly progressive as well. While the rest of the world accuses us of being backward rednecks, Dallas County elected (for the fourth time) a gay sheriff and Houston elected a gay mayor.

Are they world class? In most areas I would say yes. What would be holding them back would be urbanity and pedestrian friendliness. They (Houston especially) are horrible walking cities outside of a few neighborhoods. Dallas makes up for it somewhat with a big rail system. Houston needs to hurry up and expand Metro. They are world class in their shopping, dining, economy, airports, and diverse and international populations. They lack in the history, urbanity, and outdoor activities departments.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 21):

Were rivals? :-d

On a serious note though, the whole rivalry thing seems to be a bigger deal to Houstonians. I never hear it brought up here at all even when we host people from down there. When I go work in Houston, it's brought up to me frequently.



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User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 11):
Personally, I don't see how IAH will be able to absorb many more carriers concerning the state T-D is in right now,

This is the question. I don't know where they are putting everything. With CA's long tunrnaround time, they must be planning to move the AC on a stand (or infact load by bus and have it stay at the stand for the duration of its time in IAH), because almost all the gates are utilized at CA's arrival time at IAH due to the European carriers and BA.


User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3417 times:

Houston is a great city, I live in Katy which is a suburb 25 minutes out. I have been around Houston and seen the large international populations. Katy has a large Venezuelan population, and for that it is called "Katyzuela".


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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2165 posts, RR: 15
Reply 42, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2978 times:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 38):
At the end of the day, it's the people you are surrounded with that matter more than the coastline, mountain view, or architectural monuments.

True, but its also different strokes for different folks. Some people tend to be more nomadic than others and need a change of pace/scenery after a few years. For them, networking is second-nature and they can break into social spheres in new and unfamiliar environments with relative ease. For others, they'd rather settle in one location and grow their ties and professions without too much mobility. It all really depends on what you're looking for in life. Nothing wrong nor better about either approach.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 39):
What would be holding them back would be urbanity and pedestrian friendliness.

That's probably my number one issue with cities like Dallas/Houston. I actually grew up within the city limits of Dallas, and every time I return to visit family, I loathe having to rely on a car to move around. Granted, driving in Dallas is far superior and easier than driving in Chicago, but there is something amazing about being able to rely on taking public transit or being able to ride your bike to get to pretty much anywhere you want, or, take a cab without having to pay an arm and a leg. It's just something I'm accustomed to.

On the whole, a lot more people drink and drive in Dallas and Houston as well and I have major issues with that.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 39):
They (Houston especially) are horrible walking cities outside of a few neighborhoods. Dallas makes up for it somewhat with a big rail system.

Meh. The Dart is o-k. Getting better though.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 39):
They lack in the history, urbanity, and outdoor activities departments.

Another huge drawback. I've been up here for three years and you never get tired of the number of parks and recreational activities that are available here. My favorite summer past time: riding my bike up and down Lake Shore Drive from downtown north up to Evanston or south down to Hyde Park, pretty much whenever I want to. It's almost a religious experience. Circling around White Rock Lake doesn't even compare  
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 39):
On a serious note though, the whole rivalry thing seems to be a bigger deal to Houstonians.

I've noticed this too, and I think there are several reasons for this:

For one, Dallas is used to co-sharing the North Texas "territory" with Fort Worth and I think it's always been understood that culturally, the cities stand for very different things, but are comfortable within each of those roles, and that hasn't bred any sort of tension nor bad blood between the two regions. As a corollary, Dallas doesn't feel the need to justify itself to, nor hold separate feelings of ill-will towards Houston, nor Austin even. It's just a natural sense of autonomy.

For another, Dallas is a smaller city than Houston, but probably a bit more tight-knit. Houston has major pockets of cities within the city. I could be going on a limb here, but perhaps that breeds some sense of fragmentation/fracture down South. I will say that most people (at least up here in Chicago) associate Houston with being more "Texan" comprised of a predominantly industrial, blue-collar populace. Of course, Houston is much more than that, but I think Houstonians are very bent on trying to break down the stereotypes and public perceptions in order to prove a point. I can see the logic behind this at a national/global level, but not really necessary at a Texas level.

It probably doesn't help that Dallas, conversely, has been thrust into the spotlight with its own television show, recent professional sports successes (Mavs in 2011, Rangers World Series 2010/2011, Cowboys being the #1 most valuable franchise and 'America's Team', etc). While the O&G industry is more lucrative in Houston and brings in more international traffic, Dallas also has plenty of success stories to boast on its own in terms of job opportunities, economic growth, affordable, low-cost of living, high quality of life, robust dining and entertaining options, kick-ass airport(s) and generally good weather (sans June-August).

Nevertheless, as someone who grew up in Dallas, I've never felt the need to get defensive about proving Dallas' worth to Houstonians, and recognize that HOU outperforms DAL in many different categories. Needless to say, I think there are so many overlaps that it's somewhat counter-productive to get overly granular arguing about whichever city possesses a greater "strength" in a particular area over the other.

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User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1232 posts, RR: 6
Reply 43, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 39):
On a serious note though, the whole rivalry thing seems to be a bigger deal to Houstonians. I never hear it brought up here at all even when we host people from down there. When I go work in Houston, it's brought up to me frequently.
Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 42):

I think you both hit the nail on the head. I grew up in Dallas and have lived in Houston for almost 5 years (whew, time flies). People in Houston are much more hostile when I say I'm from Dallas, than when I mention Houston to Dallasites. Houston people have popped out with all kinds of references and assumptions about me as snobbish, and shallow within an intitial greeting. Many are quite hateful, including one Anet member (the worst experience I have ever had).

Most Dallas people, if they say anything about Houston, simply scrunch their nose and say "Ew", at the worst or "that's a nice city" at the best, and move on.



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User currently offlinenrt1011 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2725 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 28):
Congratulations to IAH, Air China, and the greatest city on the planet!

Congrats to Houston, good to see it as an up and coming city. Best on the planet? Hardly, no US city has ever even made the CNBC top 20 cities in the world to live in. Maybe Houston will be the first, good luck to them


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Quoting nrt1011 (Reply 44):
Congrats to Houston, good to see it as an up and coming city. Best on the planet? Hardly, no US city has ever even made the CNBC top 20 cities in the world to live in. Maybe Houston will be the first, good luck to them

While I wouldn't rank Houston #1 in the world I love it and it is one of my favourites having lived a lot of places;

CNBC is not exactly the end all be all of knowledge...  



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User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Oh, come on. Tons of Dallasites love to say "ew" about Houston. And Houstonians love to turn around and call everyone in Dallas a $30,000 millionaire.

Dallas is Neiman Marcus. Houston is Men's Warehouse!

Dallas is SMU (rich school). Houston is Rice (nerd genius school).

Dallas is BMW. Houston is F150.

Dallas is American and Southwest. Houston is wondering where Continental went?

At the end of the day, the 2 cities have way more in common than any differences despite the much better foreign lineup at IAH.  


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 46):
Dallas is American

People living in Fort Worth are having heart attacks now.



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