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Why No Middle East-TPE Services?  
User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1121 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

Was having a discussion the other day with someone who regularly commutes from the Middle East to Taiwan.

That got me thinking, why isn't there any passenger service by the 'big 3' middle east carriers to TPE?

And come to think of it, why don't BR or CI fly to the Middle East either?

The absence of flights isn't because of political, cross-straits issues is it? There has to be a sizable market for TPE-Middle East service, particularly the potential onward connections to Europe.

Anyone know why and care to elaborate?


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User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4774 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2356 times:
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CI used to fly to Jeddah and Dhahran in the 80s. There were strong political military ties back then but then the Saudi government started to kow tow to Beijing (and then they got those IRBMs in the late 80s from Beijing). CI had pax Abu Dhabi flights till 2-3 years ago but only cargo now. Traffic just cant support it anymore with all the new ME players.

User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

The reason must be political. The three big Gulf carriers know that mainland China holds more potential than Taiwan so they don't want to risk upsetting the government in Beijing.

User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

Strange that not even Emirates have started services there yet! Must be on their radar.
China Air Cargo serve some cargo routes to the middle east from there so there must be some sort of demand



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User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

I think the political issue has gone after Mainland and Taiwan has signed the bilateral contracts. As KLM and JAL can fly to TPE now, there is no longer any political issue.

True, ME carriers are in ME but they heavily depend on connections to EU. But actually the EU-Taiwan market is very limited. Only KLM serves 1xdaily non-stop to TPE. Both CI and BR use BKK as a stop in their flight to EU. Most of the passengers can use HKG, SIN or KUL to transfer, which is often cheaper and more convenient.


User currently offlineNobleRT From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

There are massive connection possibilities to get to the mid-east.

I keep hearing that TPE is high on EKs list of future destinations.


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

Quoting justinlee (Reply 4):
I think the political issue has gone after Mainland and Taiwan has signed the bilateral contracts. As KLM and JAL can fly to TPE now, there is no longer any political issue.

Strange that KLM uses its KLM Asia brand to serve TPE. That would suggest there are still some prickly issues surrounding flights to the "two Chinas."


User currently offlineb2319 From China, joined Jan 2013, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1725 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 6):
Strange that KLM uses its KLM Asia brand to serve TPE. That would suggest there are still some prickly issues surrounding flights to the "two Chinas."

I would suggest that someone who is either Chinese (justinlee), or is living in China (myself) is better placed to comment.

Truly, there have been massive increases in direct "cross-straits" flights in recent years, unthinkable five years ago. IMO, it's a significant contributing factor to Cathay Pacific's downturn over the last few years.

China Eastern alone serve thirteen mainland cities, as per this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Taoyuan_International_Airport

I live in Kunshan; 'Little Taiwan' and there are over 100,000 Taiwanese in my city.

On the odd occasion I read something about Taiwan/mainland relationships in the newspaper, it's invariably about more positive relationships.

On an unrelated subject, I first visited Israel in 2000. The experience was miles away from what BBC and CNN had spun to me prior to my travel.

Regards

B-2319


User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1516 times:

TPE-Middle East/Africa/Europe/South America isn't a very big market. TPE's O&D is much bigger in markets such as TPE-SFO/LAX/NYC/YVR/SEA etc.

User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 6):
Strange that KLM uses its KLM Asia brand to serve TPE. That would suggest there are still some prickly issues surrounding flights to the "two Chinas."

We have discussed about the issue of KLM before:

What Is The Point Of KLM Asia? (by KaiTak747 Nov 9 2012 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=5606996&searchid=5607563&s=KLM+Asia#ID5607563


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5742 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1267 times:

Quoting trex8 (Reply 1):

China Airlines also served Dubai back then as well as Cairo on the African side.

EVA Air served Dubai from 1990s to 2000 or so, both passenger and cargo flights, cargo service ended in 2011.

Mandarain Airlines served Abu Dhabi, this was later taken over by China Airlines.

Quoting raffik (Reply 3):
China Air Cargo serve some cargo routes to the middle east from there so there must be some sort of demand
CI cargo only serve Abu Dhabi in the region, its their hub.

For those who may not know Emirates cargo currently serve TPE and Saudia cargo did in the past from the 80s upto 2003.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 6):

Indeed strange that KL Asia brand should continue despite reform in China-Taiwan aviation treaty.

[Edited 2013-02-07 10:26:29]

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