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DL Receives Final DOT Approval For SEA-HND  
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20732 posts, RR: 62
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Surprised there isn't a thread on this already.

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1877

"ATLANTA, Feb. 5, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) has received final approval from the U.S. Department of Transportation to operate new nonstop service between Seattle and Tokyo International Airport, also known as Haneda Airport. The new flights will begin on June 1, 2013."

What's next for DL at SEA? To Asia we've got NRT, PEK and KIX, HND beginning June 1st, with PVG beginning June 17, 2013. Will it be ICN? HKG?


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User currently onlineLH707330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

There is a thread on the topic that's about a week old.

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20732 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

Quoting LH707330 (Reply 1):
There is a thread on the topic that's about a week old.

Ah thanks. If the mods feel this news should update that thread instead, which questioned when final approval would come, I've no problem reposting there.



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User currently offlinerwsea From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

There was a new thread yesterday. Looks like it was deleted.

User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 799 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

RW thank you! I thought this 10hr time difference was getting me lol I swear I read it yesterday as well!
But best if luck to DL on this. I think they will fare much better from SEA. Nice TPAC hub is forming!


User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Thread starter):
What's next for DL at SEA? To Asia we've got NRT, PEK and KIX, HND beginning June 1st, with PVG beginning June 17, 2013. Will it be ICN? HKG?

As of June, NRT--ICN is getting axed, which means this is another one of the 757 flights out of NRT cancelled (like PUS, KIX and NGO). I guess it makes sense to use the KE partnership to get people from NRT to ICN. So that will leave only DTW-ICN on DL metal as of June. Seems kind of odd not to provide a DL metal option to ICN from the west coast. Especially given the new Medallion Qualifying Dollar thing.

With regards to HND, by autumn, the Japanese Transport Ministry is hoping to assign the new daytime slots that will be available from March 2014, a number of these slots will be made available for Haneda-USA flights. ( http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T130104003723.htm )


User currently offlineB2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

has sea-pvg been approved by DOT yet?

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7657 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

Quoting B2443 (Reply 6):

has sea-pvg been approved by DOT yet?

Yes approved and loaded for sale.


User currently offlineRaddek From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1830 times:
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It is good to see DL building up SEA as a true gateway to the far east. I would like to see HKG for sure, but MNL might be an interesting shot as well. Lot's of connecting pax from the DL network already, and add that codeshare with AS and you might be able to turn a decent yield.

User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9555 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1704 times:

Quoting Raddek (Reply 8):

It is good to see DL building up SEA as a true gateway to the far east. I would like to see HKG for sure, but MNL might be an interesting shot as well. Lot's of connecting pax from the DL network already, and add that codeshare with AS and you might be able to turn a decent yield.

I think TPE would happen before MNL.

Quoting AeroWesty (Thread starter):
What's next for DL at SEA? To Asia we've got NRT, PEK and KIX, HND beginning June 1st, with PVG beginning June 17, 2013. Will it be ICN? HKG?

My guess is ICN or NGO. Both can be done with almost all the widebodies in the fleet. Also think SEA-HKG is going to happen at some point.

Can the 332 do SEA-HKG?



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1687 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 9):
I think TPE would happen before MNL.

Anyone remember when Ron Allen planned to make TPE a Pacific hub? I think it fell thru about the same time that Leadership "7.5" was instituted.



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User currently offlineRaddek From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1583 times:
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NGO could be a possibility. ICN already has KE and Asiana on the route. So DL would be going head to head with already established carriers on the route.
When I worked at NW in 2006, you couldn't imagine how many pax and LD3's we had full and going to MNL. I am sure it is still the same these days.
From an airline's standpoint, the yields usually will be a lot stronger if you are the only one on the route. So NGO and MNL would be great additions. But I agree HKG is the biggest fish in the pot at the moment.


User currently offlinerwsea From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1528 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 9):

My guess is ICN or NGO. Both can be done with almost all the widebodies in the fleet. Also think SEA-HKG is going to happen at some point.

No way they add ICN. A third carrier is not needed on this route, especially when OZ and KE are operating less than daily schedules. Why couldn't DL simply codeshare on KE given their plans to increase the JV between US-ICN?

Quoting Raddek (Reply 8):
It is good to see DL building up SEA as a true gateway to the far east. I would like to see HKG for sure, but MNL might be an interesting shot as well. Lot's of connecting pax from the DL network already, and add that codeshare with AS and you might be able to turn a decent yield.

I think HKG is probably a matter of time, especially if PVG is a strong performer. NW operated this route in the 1990s with a 747-200, and it was always full (yields were another story, of course). I think it could work with a 763/332, or even a 777 given the changes since then (growth of SEA market, AS connecting service, and cheaper airplane to operate). NGO is also a good possibility. The European carriers are starting new routes to secondary Chinese markets (Xiamen, Chengdu, Guangzhou, Hangzhou, etc.)... it would be nice to see a US carrier try one of these at least a few days a week. That said, DL would probably try these first from NRT rather than from the mainland.

I think LHR has a good possibility in the next 5 years as well. BA has cut back on the SEA route and the DL/AS partnership is starting to gain critical mass where they may become a carrier of choice, even if the service isn't as nice as BA.


User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2506 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

Quoting SR117 (Reply 5):
With regards to HND, by autumn, the Japanese Transport Ministry is hoping to assign the new daytime slots that will be available from March 2014, a number of these slots will be made available for Haneda-USA flights

Exciting! Will those be new slots, new frequencies? And/or will the current carriers be able to move their current HND-USA flights to those slots for better timings?

Thanks,
PW100



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