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TK order five additional A330-300s  
User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 406 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5056 times:

Turkish Airlines orders five additional A330 passenger aircraft:

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...dditional-a330-passenger-aircraft/

TK is really growing!

I have corrected the title to be more clear...

[Edited 2013-02-06 11:29:07]

28 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5033 times:

Total WB orders stand at 20 77W and 20 333. That is more than a doubling from 7 343, 17 330, and 12 77W currently.

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12428 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5013 times:

Absolutely; this is in addition to 15 recently ordered A333s and 20 777Ws - 40 widebodies in all, to add to those currently in operation.

I think this is actually two firm orders, plus 3 options, but it's more than likely that these will be exercised.

The total number of A330s in the fleet or on order is:

10 A330-300s
8 A330-200s

17 A333s are currently on firm order, with three on options.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4422 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4784 times:

I am still not too clear;

TK ordered 15 + 5 options 333s few months back,
is this an addition to that, or just exercising the options

-15 firm + 2 firm + 3 options ?

or

-(15 firm + 5 options) + (2 firm + 3 options)?

Thanks.


User currently offlineraggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 998 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4665 times:

These last ones ordered now to feature the venerable GE CF6 as well one can assume?


raggi



Stick & Rudder
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12428 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4588 times:

Quoting raggi (Reply 4):
These last ones ordered now to feature the venerable GE CF6 as well one can assume?

The rest of the A330-300s have Trent engines; the -200s have CF6 engine, however. I assume they'll stick with the Trents for the new orders.

We won't have to wait long for the next TK order; they should be placing their order for up to 100 widebodies later this month or next.


User currently offlineraggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 998 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 5):

Alas, the last order (15?) of A333s were ordered with GE, so I assume these will go the same way.
Yes I know the (in service) -300s are RR whereas the -200s are GE.



Stick & Rudder
User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4534 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 5):
We won't have to wait long for the next TK order; they should be placing their order for up to 100 widebodies later this month or next.

You mean narrowbodies, correct?

Anyway, it's great to see how TK is growing. My very first flight was on a THY DC 10 in 1979 and nowadays I am using TK for my trips to China. I was in IST last week and when you look out of the window and you see all these red TK-tails... impressive!


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4769 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4425 times:

still not clear cut...are these 2 additional A330s the -200 or -300 version and what about the versions of the 3 options? please advise...thanks

edit: never mind...found the answer...all are for A333s

http://skiesmag.com/news/articles/18...ditional-a330-passenger-aircr.html

[Edited 2013-02-06 13:41:48]

User currently offlineCassi From Hungary, joined Apr 2010, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4376 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 1):
more than a doubling from 7 343, 17 330, and 12 77W

The 7 A343s are to be replaced by A333s and 77Ws from these orders, so it is less than a doubling.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

Quoting Cassi (Reply 9):

In fact the current fleet plans show at least a number of them staying beyond 2016. Only 2 332s will be returned. The whole info is public at http://www.turkishairlines.com/downl...entations/sunum_aralik_tr_2012.pdf


User currently offlinecornutt From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 338 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

Wow. I had no idea TK had grown this big.

User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 3):
I am still not too clear;

TK ordered 15 + 5 options 333s few months back,
is this an addition to that, or just exercising the options

-15 firm + 2 firm + 3 options ?

or

-(15 firm + 5 options) + (2 firm + 3 options)?


Very good question TK787!
For me, it is also not clear. Does anyone know something about that?


User currently offlineytz From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1988 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3636 times:

Can TK handle this much growth without the new airport? I struggle to see how.

User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4769 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3551 times:

Quoting ytz (Reply 13):
Can TK handle this much growth without the new airport? I struggle to see how.

yes as its launching now major expansion into Europe from SAW hence easing congestion at IST gradually


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4422 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

Quoting ytz (Reply 13):

Hey, we have been saying the same thing for the last decade, but somehow it keeps going.
It is going to be interesting to see this next 5 years, where first phase of the new Istanbul airport is completed.
TK alone is planning to grow 6-7% next 5 years.
TK planning to base some planes at SAW, more space created by moving the TAF from IST and maybe moving some junk airplanes will create more space, but that is it.
I was looking at TK schedules last night. Only a few years back there were no flights between midnight and 5am at IST. Looking at the schedule last night oh my....many many flights after midnight.
It will be an interesting 5 years ahead.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 15):
Looking at the schedule last night oh my....many many flights after midnight.

At least no strict curfews a la FRA or LHR, that is good  


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4422 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 16):
At least no strict curfews a la FRA or LHR, that is good

What curfews??

IIRC, our flight from ATL-LGA was delayed so long that we couldn't land at LGA because of curfew (that was the first time I realized that there were curfews at LGA), ended up landing at JFK. The airline shuttled everyone who wanted to, to LGA.


User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3153 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 17):
What curfews??

The "I-Hate-Frankfurt-Airport" brigade ensured that FRA have a curfew 2300 to 0500 local times.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4422 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 12):
Quoting TK787 (Reply 3):
I am still not too clear;

TK ordered 15 + 5 options 333s few months back,
is this an addition to that, or just exercising the options

-15 firm + 2 firm + 3 options ?

or

-(15 firm + 5 options) + (2 firm + 3 options)?


Very good question TK787!
For me, it is also not clear. Does anyone know something about that?

From ch-aviation;
Turkish Airlines (TK, Istanbul Atatürk/Yesilköy International (IST)) has finalized its order for additional A330-300s originally announced at the end of last month. It has placed firm orders with Airbus Industrie (AIB, Toulouse Blagnac (TLS)) for two additional aircraft and has secured options for three later delivery positions. THY currently already operates ten A330-300s and has fifteen more on order.

So it sounds like 15+2+3 options.


User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

Amazing news! So where will these birds fly once they are delivered? What routes are the most likely candidates?

Does this mean that Turkish Airlines will have even more widebodies on their intra-European flights?


User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2205 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 19):

Thanks.
So we have now 20 B777-300ER and 17 fix A330-300 and 3 options on WB order?

What about not yet delivered orders of NB: how many of them are open?


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4422 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 21):
What about not yet delivered orders of NB:

I might be slightly off, but;
6 x 739ER
15 x 738
9 x 321


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 22):
I might be slightly off, but;
6 x 739ER
15 x 738
9 x 321

Thank you... BTW, on page 12 of http://www.turkishairlines.com/downl...entations/sunum_aralik_tr_2012.pdf
one can see the fleet plan of TK (minus the 2 additional 333 ordered and any new NB order).

It seems that they are planning to phase out B734, B737 and cut A319 and A320 fleets from 41 to 25. A321 on the other hand goes up from 32 to 41 and B738/B739ER up from 68 to 85. There is an upgauging of the NB fleet in general. What are they planning to fly to routes with less demand? Or what will they use to open new routes?


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4422 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1877 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 23):
What are they planning to fly to routes with less demand? Or what will they use to open new routes?

Saturation happens and TK eventually will go down to single digits in terms of growth.
-By returning 319, 737, 320 TK might have to come up with something else for AnadoluJet.
-By not ordering more 332s, TK seems to be not interested in a 250 pax aircraft.
Like I said in another thread, there will be a gap between 321 and 787-9/350-9, 185 pax-280+pax. which will make TK less flexible I think.

I have a feeling "if it is not broke, dont fix it" will work again for TK;
319NEO with 2-class 124 seats
321NEO with 2-class 185 seats (with these two types, TK will cover 90% of its destinations)
350-900 with 3-class 314 seats
350-1000 with 3-class 350 seats; could be the future for TK;

Complemented by
-737MAX for the 150+ seat market
-787 for the 250+ seat market

and always a possibility of 77X and 380 additions.

There could be the idea of building a domestic plane and use it for thin routes; 100+seater turbo or RJ with the help of another nation. That might be in the longer term.


User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 23):
It seems that they are planning to phase out B734, B737 and cut A319 and A320 fleets from 41 to 25. A321 on the other hand goes up from 32 to 41 and B738/B739ER up from 68 to 85.

So will the B737-800 slowly become the backbone of their European operations while the A321 will be dispatched to routes where there is more capacity; whereas the B737-900 will fly around Africa and on longer, thinner routes?


User currently offlineytz From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1988 posts, RR: 24
Reply 26, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1782 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 25):
whereas the B737-900 will fly around Africa and on longer, thinner routes?

321NEO would do this best, no?


User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1455 times:

I'm curious - why announce this order now if there is a big order expected later in February/March?

User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3741 posts, RR: 11
Reply 28, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1321 times:

Quoting art (Reply 27):
I'm curious - why announce this order now if there is a big order expected later in February/March?

This might just be a 'routine' top up order, while the upcoming announcement will cover something more substantial, like a new type, or a substantial order.
Or there won't be a big announcement after all.



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