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LH 744 Retired With Over 120.000 Hours  
User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 35114 times:

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4&page=3

Worth every penny, D-ABVC is the latest of the 1989-built 744s Lufthansa has retired. With more than 120.000 hours its probably the 744 that has flown the most so far. I dont have the numbers of all of the twelve LH 744s retired so far, I only know no other airline has utilized them as much.


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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1831 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 35077 times:

With good maintenance planes last a long time! Quality airline and airframe  

User currently offlinedalca From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 35041 times:

The LH 744's are well known for their long years of service and many hours logged. Also quite a testamant to the level of maintenance given by LH technik to them.
Maybe some of the KL B744's are also close to this mark, PH-BFA has been in fleet for more then 20 years now.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13522 posts, RR: 100
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 34862 times:
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You might have thought LH was trying to get their money's worth out of them.   

Excellent birds. I hope to see a 748i top off order to see the 747 keep flying in LH service. Note: I also want to see more A388 sales too.

I personally hope to see (soon) a 748i order to replace A346s and more A388s to replace some additional 744s. Note: I do make the assumption that some of the future 748i will be in a higher density (less F/J, more Y) configuration.

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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5837 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 34680 times:

And I bet it looked immaculate on its last flight. LH takes care of its aircraft.  

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9817 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 34525 times:

120,000 is a lot of hours. Not many 747s get that high. I think KLM and Cathay Pacific are two of the other airlines that have gotten close or may have exceeded that. You have to have a rather unique route network to get that much utilization out of a 747.


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User currently onlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1603 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 34503 times:
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Quoting seabosdca (Reply 4):
And I bet it looked immaculate on its last flight. LH takes care of its aircraft

Yes and exactly opposite of what United does----United has retired 4 747-400's with less than 50,000 hours on the frames and at least in coach class (where I fly) the interiors are more often than not tired and dingy looking-----LH is just a cut above other carriers and a world apart from United.....well done LH!!


User currently offlineGSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 34457 times:

120,000 hours equates to...

5000 days...

and over 13.5 years. Impressive!


User currently offlineLH707330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 848 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 34422 times:

Which ones have they retired now? Is it D-ABVA, VB, and VC and all the D-ABT* frames with the cargo doors?

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 34145 times:

Quoting LH707330 (Reply 8):
Which ones have they retired now? Is it D-ABVA, VB, and VC and all the D-ABT* frames with the cargo doors?

Almost right. D-ABVF is gone, too. And from the Cargo-door planes D-ABTF is still active.

http://www.lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa/
http://www.lh-taufnamen.de/historische-flotte/


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12593 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 34049 times:

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 7):
120,000 hours equates to...

5000 days...

and over 13.5 years. Impressive!

D-ABVC was delivered in October 1989, so that's twenty three years; leaving aside the last three months, that's over 14h daily utilisation; of course, that doesn't allow for maintenance visits, so the real figure is probably around 15h.


User currently offlineLH707330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 848 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 34018 times:

Quoting na (Reply 9):

Good source, thanks. As an aside, I wonder if the site manager cares to know about their 707s, I researched all of them for a kit I built recently.

Do you know why LH bought the cargo door birds in the first place? Were they thinking of operating them as combis? I imagine they have a weight penalty of a .5-1 t.


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 33734 times:

I wonder how much the very first 744 ever delivered, ship 6303 to Northwest Airlines, has flown since in was delivered back in Jan 1989? It is still active with Delta today. The prototype 744 was delivered as ship 6301 to Northwest a few months later. 6302 was #2.

User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 2044 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 33578 times:

Quoting LH707330 (Reply 11):
Do you know why LH bought the cargo door birds in the first place?

Lufthansa was already operating B747-200BM, so it's not a big jump. Plus, they have also operated B747F in-house. In fact I believe they were the first to have 747F. Then, out of their subsidiary German Cargo, they created LH Cargo back in 1994.



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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 33447 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 6):
United has retired 4 747-400's with less than 50,000 hours on the frames and at least in coach class (where I fly) the interiors are more often than not tired and dingy looking

Were those leased aircraft? There is an incentive to keep owned aircraft operating but if the lease ends and they no longer fit into the airline's plans then they go back even if they have not been utilized that much. Some may have been shed during Ch. 11.

As we all know, just about the entire aircraft interior is removed during a D check except for the lavs and galleys. If the airline chose to go through the expense, all of the seats, bins, wall panels, carpet and such can be replaced with new items. The interiors look as new as the airline wants them to be. Replacing the interior costs millions, so lots of parts go back.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 33454 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 12):
The prototype 744 was delivered as ship 6301 to Northwest a few months later. 6302 was #2.

The prototype (N661US) was the 6th 744 delivered to NW in December 1989.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9817 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 33378 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 12):
I wonder how much the very first 744 ever delivered, ship 6303 to Northwest Airlines, has flown since in was delivered back in Jan 1989? It is still active with Delta today. The prototype 744 was delivered as ship 6301 to Northwest a few months later. 6302 was #2.

I'd suspect closer to 100,000. The US airlines based on geography don't have as good of widebody utilization as the European airlines do. The schedule that Northwest used had airplanes having long ground times in DTW, MSP or in Asia. Lufthansa and KLM rotate their 747s between the US and Asia which helps with utilization since their 747s rarely sit anywhere overnight.



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4944 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 33311 times:
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Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 7):
120,000 hours equates to...

5000 days...

and over 13.5 years. Impressive!

That is putting things nicely in the right perspective. Very good and impressive number for the B744 at LH.  


User currently offlinenrt1011 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 33283 times:

I would imagine some of the BA and Qantas 747's would be logging hours such as above. They would be flying to the extremeties of the earth, in some ways I would imagine them flying more than the LH ones.

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 32936 times:

Quoting nrt1011 (Reply 18):
I would imagine some of the BA and Qantas 747's would be logging hours such as above. They would be flying to the extremeties of the earth, in some ways I would imagine them flying more than the LH ones.

BA, yes, probably, KLM also, but QFs 744s are often sitting on the ground for long hours. In FRA they come in the arly morning and leave in the late evening. Other European destinations are likely not much different for QF.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 32853 times:

BA's oldest B744 is G-BNLE 93112 at 31/12/2011 apparently.
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...e=detailnosummary&fullregmark=BNLE


User currently offlineGSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 32400 times:

Quoting na (Reply 19):
BA, yes, probably, KLM also, but QFs 744s are often sitting on the ground for long hours. In FRA they come in the arly morning and leave in the late evening. Other European destinations are likely not much different for QF.

You're right, and it's the same with LAX, other than the aircraft that continues to JFK.

Even the aircraft that flies SYD-DFW sits on the ground in DFW for about 8 hours before the return trip.


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3589 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 32117 times:
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Quoting sankaps (Reply 12):
I wonder how much the very first 744 ever delivered, ship 6303 to Northwest Airlines, has flown since in was delivered back in Jan 1989? It is still active with Delta today. The prototype 744 was delivered as ship 6301 to Northwest a few months later. 6302 was #2.

With the FAAs SDR database ( http://av-info.faa.gov/sdrx/Query.aspx ) you can get a pretty good estimate:

As of 14 Dec 12 N661US / Ship 6301 has:
97277 hours / 12854 cycles

As of 13 Apr 12 N663US / Ship 6303 has:
95663 hours / 12450 cycles

A ways to go yet to catch the LH birds....

[Edited 2013-02-06 16:27:52]


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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 31820 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 20):
BA's oldest B744 is G-BNLE 93112 at 31/12/2011 apparently.
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...e=detailnosummary&fullregmark=BNLE

G-BNLE should be very close to 100.000 now then, still quite a difference to what LH achieved.

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 22):
As of 14 Dec 12 N661US / Ship 6301 has:
97277 hours / 12854 cycles

As of 13 Apr 12 N663US / Ship 6303 has:
95663 hours / 12450 cycles

Surprisingly low figures, I would have expected that these birds had crossed 100.000 already. No wonder Delta wants to fly them a few years longer.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 31481 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 20):
BA's oldest B744 is G-BNLE 93112 at 31/12/2011 apparently.
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...=BNLE

Interestingly G-BNLI, G-BNLL and G-BNLM, about 3/4 of a year younger, were already above 100.000 hours at that date, end of 2011. Did -BNLE spend some time in unrecorded storage?
Also, Virgin´s oldest 744, G-VHOT, 5 years younger than G-BNLE, had just 9000 hours less at that time.


25 BA174 : G-BNLE has never been stored long term, it even survived the desert in the thick of the credit crunch with much younger examples e.g. G-BNLU heading t
26 md2012 : Doing the math, 120,000 hours in 23 years is equivalent of 14-15 hour of flight per 24hr day. AMAZING. Lufthansa had this plane airborne for 60% of th
27 daviation : I have flown on D-ABTB, D-ABVW, and D-ABVY. It appears from the database that the latter two now have upgraded amenities. The first one, D-ABTA (Brand
28 lightsaber : Break even is now about 13.5 hours. So while LH did incredible for that era, that is now 'business as usual.' Do not get me wrong... I'm impressed. W
29 packsonflight : 3 years back I recall Lufthansa reporting that they had 5 CF6-80 series engines with more than 100.000 hours on wing, and 8 engines with more than 99.
30 Post contains images zkojq : Twenty three years four months. Based on that lifespan, we can expect that Lufthansa's first Boeing 747-8 (D-ABYA) will be heading for the scrappers
31 solarflyer22 : That's really amazing. To have operated safely for so long a period is truly a testament to human persistence and LH's great maintenance team. Where
32 Post contains images KDTWflyer : Thats pretty amazing really if you think about it. Say the plane averages 550mph, that is only about 66,000,000 miles or 106,451,612km Or in other wor
33 ltbewr : Apparently the last revenue flight of this a/c was from EWR to FRA. Was this a regular route for this a/c during it's life or where else were it regul
34 YZFOO7F : It's amazing to me that a collection of metal, plastic, glass, and wires that weighs 875,000 lbs when fully loaded was free from the surface of the ea
35 Post contains images columba : With that good experience LH had with their 747s no wonder they commited to the 747-8I
36 Post contains images wilco737 : The 744's are in excellent condition regarding their age. I fly them now for 2,5 years and never had real issues only minor things. Never had a delay
37 Post contains images Unflug : Parking fees must be high here in Germany
38 UALWN : I believe you meant light seconds.
39 Post contains images wilco737 : Oh they are An airplane only makes money when in the air. During the winter there are some 744's parked as well in FRA as we don't need them right no
40 photoshooter : Wouldn't it be cheaper to park them somewhere else in Germany? Or is there a lack of space? (I have DUS/HAM/MUC in mind)
41 Post contains images wilco737 : That would cost money to fly them there: fees, fuel etc. And in FRA they can be reactivated faster. They are not stored, just not needed at the momen
42 zkojq : Is that a record? I doubt any other aircraft, civil or military, would have exceeded that time.
43 Post contains images wilco737 : From what I have heard there was a 742 or 741 which had even more hours, but cannot remember which one it was. From what I read is that most of the L
44 Loran : Here is an overview of the LH fleet utilization: Reg / Model / Data Reference Date / Total Flying Hours / Total Cycles D-ABVC 747-400 30.11.2011 119'8
45 Post contains images wilco737 : Thanks for that list. I was just checking myself with the latest figures. D-ABVC has a total hours as of today: 120,672 hours. D-ABTK is the one with
46 Loran : To my knowledge the 747 airframe was designed for 130'000 and/or a cycle number which I can't remember (I assume 20'000). There were or still are som
47 Post contains images seahawk : And apart from that storing the 744 at DUS would just cause a spotter flashmob...
48 Post contains images wilco737 : I read about the same number. Yes, this 130,000 would required a D6 Check (IIRC) and that costs a hell of a lot money and is usually not worth it. No
49 na : Two Southern Air 742SF (ex KLM) with around 135.000 hours are the recordholders in hours (and probably of all airplanes as I never heard about a high
50 miaintl : Most of LH's 744 are in terrible shape. None of them have ptvs and all have very outdated cabins.
51 Post contains links and images wilco737 : Well, All Lufthansa Widebodys Now Have Avod In Y (by LH422 Feb 7 2013 in Civil Aviation) Looks like all have the new cabin now, and AVOD in Y class.
52 miaintl : I last flew them in 2010 on the FRA-MIA route, so maybe things have changed since then. But I remember being really surprised that they had not put Pt
53 Post contains images wilco737 : A lot has changed since 2010 apparently and more to change in the next years. In 2010 not a lot were refurbished, but now they all are. wilco737
54 travelavnut : Go wash your mouth! And it's off to bed without diner for you!!
55 na : Complete rubbish. Terrible shape means they would be in bad condition. Nothing could be further from the truth. And, they all have new seats now. Wha
56 Post contains images wilco737 : Amen to that. I totally agree. Shouldn't other factors be more important than AVOD? as everybody has a tablet these days anyway, most doesn't care ab
57 skipness1E : Not that's not the case. Any airline in taking a product to market needs to be aware of what the market expects. It *DEMANDS* PTV for long haul nowad
58 Loran : These are the ones I was referring to, thanks. I think under certain circumstances extensions are granted, sometimes the OEMs also offer life extensi
59 djb77 : I flew D-ABVC last back in 2007 Frankfurt > Bangalore in economy and then a couple of days later Bangalore > Frankfurt in business. Although not
60 UALWN : Exactly! For me, the advantage of AVOD is that I can have the flight info on throughout the whole flight! I recently had to endure ZRH-GRU in an LX A
61 FlyingAY : The forums always get full of comments from people who know how other people should spend their flight. For me an economy class long haul flight is a
62 Post contains links Loran : I agree with you, its everyone's own choice. I was just - like you are - sharing my own point of view. There is a parallel dicussion live which deals
63 Archer : Just a note to see how amazing this is - I believe there are 8,765 hours in a year (calculator not nearby). Divide that into the 120,000 and that mean
64 Post contains links and images zkojq : I assume it has the least because of the time it spent in maintenance after the gear collapse incident in 2007? Does anyone know if the date of D-ABV
65 Post contains images Speedbird741 : Very sad to see these beautiful birds go. They have served us very well and will, thankfully, continue to serve us and grace the skies for another 15-
66 Post contains links and images 747classic : New rules for WFD (Widespread Fatigue Damage ) are limiting the flight hours and cycles of all aircraft as of July 2013. See this recent article in Bo
67 ContnlEliteCMH : What is the average hourly fuel burn rate for a 744? I want to contemplate the quantity of fuel she has blown out of her tailpipes. I'm assuming the t
68 edds : I flew with on of the last ex "Combi" B744 early January FRA-DEN. I wasn't able to catch the registration but one thing I noticed was the (and I have
69 packsonflight : 10t per hour
70 na : Thanks for this. Odd, in all of my flights with LH 744s I have never encountered a single one in less than very good condition, and I have been on ab
71 Loran : Very interesting table. Thanks for sharing. I didn't know that the 744 LOV is in fact 165'000 hours. Also, it seems the 737-200 may fly more than the
72 Post contains links and images richierich : D-ABTB is/was Brandenburg View Large View MediumPhoto © Florian Weyrauch
73 amirs : Anyone have any info on the El Al 744's? I bet they should be high, doing TLV-NYC-TLV-LON--BKK-TLV But they only joined at 1995
74 manny : I have flown D-ABVC twice. Once in 2002 and once as recently as November 2012. In 2002 i remember it had a beautiful cabin although no IFE. But on the
75 seabosdca : To supplement what 747classic offered, it's important to note that an airliner's LOV is different from its design service goal (DSG), after which ope
76 FalconKutscher : PH-BUH 21110/271 B472 is stored in KMHV as N748SA (Southern Air Transport) with 130.000 h in the log...
77 Post contains images lightsaber : Do you have a link? That makes sense. Scrap the plane at the end of the economic life. Is it 120,000 or 130,000 or will it be 120,000 hours as of Jul
78 daviation : Your are absolutely correct. I made a typo, of course. It was indeed D-ABTB Brandenburg. When I last flew on D-ABVY, Nordrhein-Westfalen, I actually
79 Post contains links packsonflight : http://69.64.153.208/aviation-forums...eneral_aviation/read.main/4954920/
80 747classic : Here sister-ship , former PH-BUI (21111/274) and retired in December 2009 as N746SA, has accumulated a total of 134.694 hours and 23.911 cycles, very
81 ContnlEliteCMH : Wow. That's over 350 million gallons of fuel consumed over its lifetime. That's impressive.
82 factsonly : Just found a surprising piece of information about PH-BFA. Apparently this aircraft returned to AMS as KL812 on 29 January 2013 from yet another D-Ch
83 na : Thats indeed a bit surprising and certainly means it´ll fly about 5 years more. By then it should indeed beat LHs record! Assuming KLM utilization i
84 flyingalex : Funny you should mention South Africa, because those runs are actually among the worst in terms of aircraft utilisation. One example: BA57 LHR-JNB 20
85 c5load : I've always wondered, what is harder on airframes, the hours spent in the air or cycles? A smaller aircraft like the DC-9 will be retired with thousan
86 LH707330 : Your question is missing the number of cycles for the 120k frame, but if we assume 120k hrs/15k cycles versus 60k/80k, the latter will have more fati
87 SpaceshipDC10 : I believe it's the cycles due to pressurization.
88 135mech : Agreed, I flew (4 times) NW A332's Trans-pac, and while the AVOD was nice, the box under the seat took up so much room that it was uncomfortable to t
89 Post contains images Viscount724 : The 19-year-old Aloha 737-200 that lost much of it's roof on a flight from ITO to HNL in 1988 only had a little over 35,000 hours but almost 90,000 c
90 rwessel : That question only really makes sense in the context of the design mission of the aircraft. If someone were to design and build an aircraft to handle
91 747classic : In the 747-SR and 400D aircraft some parts (landing gear, etc.) are beefed up to allow more cycles with less maintenance, however the LOV limit of al
92 SpaceshipDC10 : 90,000 cycles, and in a humid and salty environment.
93 na : That 737 was exactly 19 years old when the accident happened. If it really had done 90.000 cycles, it must have done 13 flights a day, 24/7/365! Is t
94 rwessel : On that route, yes. I did some work there many years ago, and had to commute between islands. It wasn't on a 737 (it was a turboprop I can't now reme
95 SpaceshipDC10 : Remember, it was Aloha, an island hopping airline. That aircraft was delivered to Aloha in 1969, spent two or so with AirCal hopping around in Califo
96 bennett123 : I have figures of 140,000 Hours and 23,339 Cycles for N748SA. However, I do not have a record of the source, (it was probably on this forum).
97 Post contains links na : As I suspected, QF makes much less of the dollar with their longhaul planes than LH. According to http://www.aussieairliners.org/b-747/aust747index.h
98 Speedbird741 : Possibly abnormally hot brakes after landing and deceleration. Speedbird741
99 Roseflyer : That is a great question. The answer is both, plus another. Cycles, Flight Hours, and Calendar Time all matter. If you are familiar with aircraft mai
100 Post contains links and images lightsaber : I find the discussion interesting on cycles versus hours. The large structure and engines care mostly about cycles. Engines wear most at end of climb
101 Roseflyer : Engines are actually all based on flight hours. If you look at the maintenance planning document, other than engine ignition, all other engine mainte
102 lightsaber : Those I've engineered were more cycle dependent. While oil and other properties are mostly on hours, overhaul and deterioration are due to cycles. Yo
103 747classic : For the 747 (excluding the -SR and -D versions) a gear swap is defined by calender time (steel corrosion of exposed struts ?) , before the cycles kic
104 na : Would be nice if they fly on so long. They´ll likely pass the LH record then. After this accident other early-built Aloha-737s with similar records
105 Post contains links LH422 : This must have been D-ABTF. The only combi left, the only 747 without the new first and the only one with the RAVE IFE system. http://www.lh-taufname
106 Post contains links LH422 : On other news, it seems LH have chosen to reactivate one of the parked 744s with the old cabin (i.e., without AVOD): http://www.flightradar24.com/data
107 aloges : Interesting, could this have anything to do with them not taking up D-ABYE?
108 na : I doubt that, maybe it was just planned for temporary storage as it was stored in Brussels, and not flown to the US.
109 Viscount724 : Yes that is correct. Following excerpt from the official NTSB report: At the time of the accident, N73711 had accumulated 35,496 flight hours and 89,
110 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Well that made this Lancastrian whose accent is 1/3 British/Australian/American laugh Yes, as noted the QF 747s and 380s aren't that heavily utilised
111 Post contains images Caryjack : I understand that long haul twins must perform a series of climbs to get to their final cruse altitude, but short haul twin can reach the final cruse
112 lightsaber : It is near the initial climb that is most brutal on engine wear and tear. "Step Climbs" have little impact on engine wear over regular cruise hours.
113 hivue : I assume this is not to be taken literally? Surley an aircraft wil have had more than 1 D check in 100,000 hrs?
114 SEPilot : This was one of the incidents that led to the establishment of life limits; the design limit you speak of was probably in existence in the mind of Bo
115 135mech : Why not? The CFM-56-2B is one of the GE engines designed to "fly until it fails" and the CF-6 is a part (larger) of that GE family. D checks (that I
116 lightsaber : Engines often stay on for D-checks. There have been several RB211s that have remained on the airframe for the entire life of the aircraft too. Not 10
117 hivue : Thanks. I didn't realize that. But it doesn't have to remain on the same airframe to qualify for this, correct? I would assume there are engines that
118 135mech : it is true for the model I listed (CFM-56-2B...especially on the KC-135R/T's). They are now working on re-doing those engines because the majority of
119 manny : The fire trucks and emergency vehicles were going in the opoosite direction as we were about to touchdown. SO its seems they were lining up to follow
120 Lutfi : On engine swaps, back in the day of payload limited B744, CX had a sub fleet of "big J" aircraft for N America ( fewer seats, more bIz class). engine
121 Post contains links musapapaya : This discussion has showed LH can really keep their plane running with excellent maintenance and tender and care! Unlike this, which had an eigne surg
122 Aircellist : On a side note, interesting that Boeing is planning a 200k hours life for the 787!
123 Post contains links 4holer : Going to watch it fly over PHX in it's last moments of flight today... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH9930
124 Post contains images Wilco737 : Take some pictures and share them with us... Sad to see her go But D-ABVD is back in action. Was about to get retired, but LH keeps it a little longe
125 na : That doesnt make sense, a waste, technology will surely make even the 787 redundant earlier on. How long remains to be seen. A 5th 748I was scheduled
126 Post contains images Wilco737 : I guess only until D-ABYG will arrive. Looks like it will arrive Mid March. And the next one End of March or first part of April. Where to/ from? wil
127 na : FRA-DEL with a very small chance of Bangalore.
128 Post contains images Wilco737 : Very nice. Go DEL, BLR might be on 744 for a while soon wilco737
129 Post contains links LH422 : Here's a picture of it leaving FRA today: http://fraaviation.forumsfree.de/t10777-06032013
130 SEPilot : It is not a waste; it is an artifact of the fact that CFRP does not fatigue in the same way that metal does. I suspect that there are enough metal pa
131 747srule : Inbound to Pinal Airport as of right now. Sad to see this.
132 surfpunk : FA shows it passing to the south of Flagstaff right now.
133 Post contains images sonomaflyer : That a/c had a long and very, very productive life. In the end, it will give "one last time" to extend the lives of its fellow 747s
134 Post contains links 4holer : Did it do a low flyby of Goodyear or something? heck ot the path/altitude. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH9930 (I didn't see it)
135 solarflyer22 : Do they salvage any usable parts from these or is just out to the desert for them?
136 Post contains images flyingalex : I don't know, but it certainly looks that way from the data. Are you aware that LH's cadet pilot training center is at Goodyear? Maybe it was intende
137 solarflyer22 : There is no way 787 will last 200k hours. If anyone other than Iran uses them past 150K, I'll eat a shoe. I dont think the CFRP, laser welding and ri
138 Post contains images Wilco737 : That would be awesome! Hope someone takes pictures of it wilco737
139 Post contains images zkojq : Interesting that Lufthansa leaves the aircraft in its full livery for its retirement flight. Both Air New Zealand and Qantas remove the titles and lo
140 SEPilot : The CFRP WILL last that long. The question is whether the metal parts will. A lot depends on how many aluminum parts are subject to pressurization st
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