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WFAA: AA-US Merger Announced Next Week (sources)  
User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3996 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 32300 times:
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WFAA (ABC Dallas) reports a merger is to be announced next week, possibly Monday, with headquarters in Ft Worth but leadership from US Airways.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/business/Am...-expected-next-week-190101971.html

[Edited 2013-02-06 15:49:45]


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User currently offlineAllegiantFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 32241 times:

After looking at this article and watching the video it seemed quite biased in my opinion like a merger is what they want instead of whats really going to happen

User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 890 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 32222 times:

Yea suggest the title is changed to Rumor as this is not fact ...

User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3996 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 32055 times:
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Quoting phxa340 (Reply 3):

There. Happy I hope.

Locally, WFAA is very well informed when it comes to AA, so I'd take it to the bank...



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11613 posts, RR: 61
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 32018 times:

It's WFAA, in addition to Dallas Morning News, in addition to the Star-Telegram, in addition to WSJ. They're all probably talking to the same "source" who is leaking the same information. Nonetheless, it appears a deal is close.

Glad this soap opera is likely to be coming to an end, one way or another, soon ...


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 31911 times:

It true this is a win for Texas politicians.

User currently offlineQANTASvJet From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 31743 times:

Let's just hope this means the end to that terrible tail. (I don't need to explain, you know what I mean...)

User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1541 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 31653 times:

This article didn't mention it, but in the WSJ article it says that the AA/US merger will create the world's largest airline. By what measure are they basing this off of? Assuming RPM/Ks or ASM/Ks are used which is commonplace, UA is still bigger.

For full year 2012

RPMs
UA: 205,484,567
AA/US: 136,560,266+64,880,446= 201,440,712
DL: 192,955,777

ASMs
UA: 248,860,009
AA/US: 166,129,600+77,510,211= 243,639,811
DL: 230,399,620


Obviously being the largest isn't worth anything and there are other ways of measuring it, but should WSJ really be claiming that AA/US will be the largest airline? Seems like they need some fact-checkers to me.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16865 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 31636 times:

Quoting QANTASvJet (Reply 7):
Let's just hope this means the end to that terrible tail. (I don't need to explain, you know what I mean...)

From the OP's article:

Quote:
American last month debuted a new logo and paint scheme for its aircraft. At the time, Horton said he did not expect to have to change the the livery again.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16865 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 31602 times:

I hope they hurry up and announce it already so we can kick off the next phase of speculating new aircraft orders, hub changes, livery etc... That discussion should last a while and will be a nice change from "787 battery problem".


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User currently onlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1393 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 31599 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 8):
By what measure are they basing this off of?

AA/US is largest if you go buy enplaned passengers.



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User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 31545 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 11):
AA/US is largest if you go buy enplaned passengers.

Or fleet size.


User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 31384 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
That discussion should last a while and will be a nice change from "787 battery problem".

90% of posts on this site relate to one of these two topics.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30978 posts, RR: 86
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 31326 times:
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Quoting QANTASvJet (Reply 7):
Let's just hope this means the end to that terrible tail.

If the company keeps the name American - which I would expect is the more likely route - then the US planes would all be repainted /delivered in the new AA colors.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16865 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 31294 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 13):
90% of posts on this site relate to one of these two topics.

I want to discuss moving US A330s onto AA routes from MIA and JFK etc.., but I guess that should wait for the formal announcemt.



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User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 31229 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 14):
If the company keeps the name American - which I would expect is the more likely route - then the US planes would all be repainted /delivered in the new AA colors.

Exactly. It's been confirmed for a looooooong time that AA will be the surviving name. Why is this constantly debated?   


User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1087 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 31104 times:

I am Curious to see what kind of agreement US has made with Star Alliance for an exit . Do they just automatically switch to Oneworld once an announcement is reached or do they need time to do that ?

User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 533 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 31073 times:
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It will be tuesday when they announce it I was told

User currently offlineplateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 31051 times:

This board (Airliners) has become the AA board lately and its annoying as heck .. one thread, keep it simple. Every person and media outlet seems to have an exclusive story with sources. Most members want to guess what their routes will look like, what hub they will have ... mods keep it on one post please!


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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1541 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 31014 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 11):
AA/US is largest if you go buy enplaned passengers.
Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 12):
Or fleet size.

Thanks, I'm aware of these measurements. My point is that most were calling UA/CO the world's largest airline back in 2010 even though DL carried more passengers and had a larger fleet so I think it's safe to assume most publications/people use ASMs/RPMs, in which case UA would still be larger. If WSJ was actually using enplaned passengers then there's no issue, I'm just not sure they were.



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User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 30974 times:

Quoting etops1 (Reply 17):
I am Curious to see what kind of agreement US has made with Star Alliance for an exit . Do they just automatically switch to Oneworld once an announcement is reached or do they need time to do that ?

How quickly did CO exit SkyTeam a few years back?


User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2301 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 30750 times:

I would imagine they will also be announcing US Airways jumping from Star to One World also? How soon can they join?

User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3127 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 30662 times:
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All I have to say is that I sincerely hope CLT and PHL better stay intact. Otherwise we on the east coast are screwed. Between LGA and JFK slots that they'd need, service would be effected, no?

[Edited 2013-02-06 17:04:06]


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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2301 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 30648 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 23):
All I have to say is that CLT and PHL better stay intact. Otherwise we on the east coast are screwed. Between LGA and JFK slots that they'd need, service would be effected, no?

CLT and PHL will retain major roles from everything that is speculated and has been said. PHX is the one hub that has been debatable. But with AA in CLT and PHL it will provide good competition to DL and UA. AA will finally be a major force along the east coast when you toss DCA in there as well.


User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1087 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 31228 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 21):

If I remember correctly , I think it was 1year ? I could be wrong .


25 mah4546 : As long as US doesn't mess with AAdvantage and doesn't bring it's customer-is-always last customer service mantra, I'm all for it. They'll still be hu
26 DolphinAir747 : If this happens, US wouldn't join; US would be absorbed into AA which is already part of 1W.
27 kcrwflyer : Explain please. In as much detail as you care to go into.
28 adamh8297 : I'm guessing US/VS codeshare would go away pretty quickly? I'm sure DL is praying for US to do that. In Boston, this will determine how many Dividend
29 mesaflyguy : The way I (and many on here) have seemed to think aobut it, is that they would try to consolidate the PHL and NYC ops to the greatest extent possible
30 BN747 : You're being generous... CLT will go the way of STL after TWA disappeared. With DFW being the massive base it is.. I see PHX taking a huge hit. And P
31 Beardown91737 : Most likely scenario is that AA is being acquired by LCC. LCC will combine US and AA under the name American Airlines. They would use the current AA
32 Post contains images southwest737500 : How quick until BA jumps into CLT. Or is that pushing it Well CLT spotters sadly we will probably see the A346 go hopefully we can keep LH
33 Cubsrule : Where is all that traffic going to go? In to the ether? CLT will doubtless get smaller, but STL is down something like 90 percent from its peak.
34 usairways85 : Uh, I'd hardly call JFK and ORD AA fortresses. DFW and MIA yes but certainly not the first two
35 mah4546 : Traffic flows. It's simple. US Airways has to rely on Charlotte today to do an insane amount of things, such as: ORDMIA; MIAFCO; SJUBOS; ORFSAN; RICL
36 Post contains images jporterfi : Would PHL still be classified as a hub assuming this happens? Also, if the ops are consolidated, could we see LGA and JFK used as connecting points i
37 mah4546 : It's around 160 flights, but even then, that capacity doesn't need to move to LAX, and I doubt it ever will. It's simply largely capacity that will l
38 tommy767 : Was hoping for Doug to take a golden parachute and Horton to stay. Dougy is Jeffy in a different suit. Perhaps that rumor will be not true. Overall, A
39 Post contains images DolphinAir747 : Most of the traffic flows will be handled via DFW, while LAX will focus more on O&D demand (for which it is the largest airport in the world). AA
40 Post contains images rwy04lga : It's only worth anything if Delta is the world's largest. What will happen to AA/US at LGA? Will US migrate to Terminal B and leave Terminal C all to
41 Cubsrule : Oddly, though perhaps tellingly, a number of those (MIAFCO, SJUBOS, ORFSAN and RICLAX) are probably still best handled by CLT in the combined network
42 panam330 : Uh, no. CLT will certainly shrink, but nowhere near that much. If they cut too much, the hub loses its economy of scale and will be unprofitable, lik
43 XT6Wagon : So guys, Time to start a new thread about what WN, UA, and DL will bid on in the asset auction X years from now? Also a thread on what number X is? Le
44 jfklganyc : I can see B6 taking US gates at Terminal C. UA, US, and AA will come to an agreement at the CTB. Some flights need to move to the Terminal C/D comple
45 airliner371 : 6 gates for 18 flights.... no way. If they want one airline to move I could see UA squeezing otherwise I could see 3 AC and 3 B6 or 4 WN, 1 NK and 1
46 bobloblaw : No it wont. I get so tired of this stupid argument. STL is only 250 miles from ORD and 500 miles from DFW. CLT would be over 600 miles from the neare
47 nutsaboutplanes : I know that many like myself are just anxious to get the announcement completed so that we can move on to the initial hurdles that come along with a m
48 PHX787 : Agreed, this doesn't seem quite legit. Sure there's a "source" now but I'll believe it when that weird AA logo is gracing T4 over here. Let me start
49 AeroWesty : Once this merger takes place, AA will be the surviving carrier combined from: Air Cal Allegheny America West Empire Lake Central Mohawk Ozark Piedmont
50 mah4546 : It's exactly how mergers work. Network optimization, and it will hurt CLT a bit, just like it hurt MSP.
51 nutsaboutplanes : Stand by to be made a believer. There is demand here for CONNECTIONS. The vast majority of the US operation in PHX is conx pax moving East-West .....
52 AA767400 : I'd argue thats been accomplished already. All labor issues on AA's side have been resolved. US/HP FAs have reached an agreement, and the pilots are
53 PHX787 : How so? Show me some numbers. People always say "poor" but this airport is always so crowded with people flying in and out for various reasons that p
54 reffado : Hoping to see a settlement soon. I have a small doubt though - won't the courts, along with say, Star, have an issue with OneWorld now holding the big
55 Post contains links ridgid727 : A few years back, they were saying PHX was #11 in the US for O & D traffic. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/39034
56 Post contains images commavia : I doubt either would stay "intact," as in "no change," but both would definitely still be hubs. The key with all of US' hubs - but in particular CLT
57 RavenTech : I think that's a little optimistic, If the merged carrier shut down PHX tomorrow then I see WN taking 1-2 of the north concourses for expansion. Then
58 Drmlnr1 : What will happen to the A350's US has on order?? I just hope that if this is indeed true, the combined carrier can make money. DCA will now have a lar
59 Post contains links AllegiantFlyer : PHX has 40 million passengers(as of 2011) and considering how many buissneses are going into PHX for low taxes we can expect a strong growth,with wor
60 Post contains links AllegiantFlyer : PHX has 40 million passengers(as of 2011) and considering how many buissneses are going into PHX for low taxes we can expect a strong growth,with wor
61 rfields5421 : WFAA and the Dallas Morning News are the same company. They work closely together. It is not unusual for a DMN originated story to first appear on WF
62 usairways85 : I'm not sure I understand how JFK & LGA will gain a lot in this. Aren't they both slot controlled? US has a fraction of the slots it used to after
63 dw9115 : US Airways credit card with Barclay's is horrible! I really hope they stay with Americans deal with Citi.
64 commavia : First off, they aren't the same company. Used to be, aren't anymore. Second, I realize they work closely together. I was simply making the point that
65 boeingpride800 : Merger or no merger, what I'm hoping for is a more competitive AA and a changed management. This company needs to have happier employees who are compl
66 Post contains links BarryH : Not to be a wet blanket, but Bloomberg's coverage seems the most rationale. And assigning a value to US' share of the combined company and who runs it
67 IrishAyes : I think that's a bit overstated. MSP aircraft movements are down 11% between 2010 and 2012, and overall passenger numbers are largely at the same lev
68 gemuser : Perhaps a slightly off topic slant, but can I ask where is the water coming from to support all those people. My understanding is that the Colorado R
69 deltairlines : Agree with this - Southwest will likely be the big winner in Phoenix after this. I wouldn't expect two concourses, but one would seem reasonable. Bet
70 bobloblaw : Penn Central?
71 RavenTech : Another major source is a large underground water table. In Peoria (15-20 mins NW of PHX), the major source IIRC is well water with partial replenish
72 BlueSky1976 : I imagine it would be cancelled in favour of some additional A32Xneos. American has orders and options for up to 100 787s, with 42 of these being "fi
73 rwy04lga : A lot of LGA passengers show up at 'terminal C' when they really want 'concourse C' at terminal B. So, to be clear, when you say 'C-D', what you mean
74 PHLwok : This is why all the folks saying JFK will replace PHL can't be correct - JFK can't replace PHL either operationally or geographically. And if you clo
75 coairman : I would love to see a AA-US merger hub optimization internal merger document. I bet CLT and PHX are hit the hardest. I think AA's MIA hub will hurt CL
76 alfa164 : MSP operations are down because DL eliminated flying with the smallest planes (Saabs, most 50-passenger RJ's) and replaced them with bigger aircraft.
77 Flighty : The metaphor is very good. DL kept the hubs that were obviously viable. Including things like SLC and MSP. Did they tweak capacity, and employ cross-
78 infiniti329 : As much as I dont want this merger to happen....If it does and the they are forced to give up slots at LGA, the only airlines I see going after them a
79 capitalflyer : Will US DCA slots go to American in case of merger, or will we have a huge free for all?
80 rwy04lga : Any chance of Delta getting terminal C all to itself? Perhaps moving the Marine Air Terminal shuttle ops to terminal C?
81 alfa164 : I hope not! Please keep the MAT... and bring back the ferry service from Manhattan!
82 BDL757 : Not quite, I believe he is talking about CONCOURSES C and D which are in TERMINAL B. Not terminals C and D...it is really confusing for the pax.
83 deltairlines : Yes, but I'd most certainly expect some divestiture required by DOT and/or DOJ. AA would add 50 daily slots to US' 243, giving them 293 out of the 43
84 infiniti329 : hmmm this would be temtping for DL as this will save them alot $$$... and that side of the airport would officially become DeltaLand
85 tommytoyz : This would need court and creditor approval. This story has gotten way ahead of itself. Maybe the intention of both boards to merge and to seek court
86 rj777 : Who's to say they haven't already asked the creditors and the judge for a hypothetical yes/no or will before making the announcement? There's just to
87 nikeson13 : So will there be a joint livery like UA/CO or will it stay the new AA livery?
88 nutsaboutplanes : [quote=PHX787,reply=56]How so? Show me some numbers. People always say "poor" but this airport is always so crowded with people flying in and out for
89 oc2dc : Being the biggest airline sounds nice, but i'm concerned about in-flight services. American is already ok. They have wi-fi on many of their planes and
90 Post contains images Antoniemey : Why would you want to purchase passengers? That's only been answered three times in EVERY thread about this possible merger... The new AA livery and
91 wn676 : Keep in mind we're talking only about US; their entire operation is focused primarily on connections. Their model isn't to attract a large number of
92 Post contains links DIRECTFLT : Another source for the merger story from CBS news- Dallas: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 6:01 PM CDT http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/02/06/s...-aaus-air-me
93 DIRECTFLT : The USPS (Oooops, too early to call that one...)
94 gemuser : Is this an artesian aquifer or local water table? In either case it seems unlikely to support the population growth being talked about in this thread
95 skytony : Maybe they will change the name back to American Airways?
96 bobloblaw : CLT and MIA do not compete for traffic flows on probably 90% or more of the traffic. There is also enough traffic to the carribbean for flights from
97 STT757 : They would be around 19.3 million passengers per year combined at EWR, JFK, LGA. There really wouldn't be a change, for instance I don't see them bri
98 tommyy : What will happan to the flight to TLV, AA never flew there because of the TWA pension issue, will they stop the PHL-TLV or settle with Israel and move
99 STT757 : Since the surving company will be AA, and they've never shown any indication they were willing to settle in the past 13 years, I'm going to say TLV w
100 Post contains links and images commavia : Excellent analysis from Swelbar. He makes good points. In particular: Collaboration is critical. That doesn’t mean Tom Horton must be a part of the
101 STT757 : Is it worth it though? How much can TLV earn AA vs. what the settlement will cost. We had a good thread a year or two and it was brought up that with
102 usairways85 : Ok, the strategy you lined out makes complete sense. Many people have said they will rationalize PHL in favor of JFK. And while I agree they may righ
103 jfklganyc : You're a smart man. See past a.net folklore to reality. The new AA at LGA/JFK/EWR will be AAs EWR slots+USs EWR slots+AAs LGA slots+USs LGA slots+AAs
104 milesrich : Before deregulation, Eastern Air Lines was the largest carrier based on this criteria, but only Eastern trumpeted that fact. United was the largest i
105 usairways85 : Well the thought is they could route BWI, CLE, etc. through PHL as the connecting hub. But as you pointed out where are the prime routes, particularl
106 commavia : Thank you for telling me what I do and don't "know." And for your information, no, I don't "know" any more or less than you do. I think the scenario
107 ckfred : Actually, the tail is starting to grow on me. What US could do, post merger, is paint the planes in the US livery, replacing US Airways with American
108 usairways85 : I just looked at a AA's JFK-Europe schedule today. Yes it is a small subset and in the winter season. Here are the destinations. LHR MAN MAD MXP CDG
109 Post contains images point2point : Okay..... now that just about everyone and their Uncle Phil has chimed in about all the hubs here (and I know we're all waiting to hear from Granny Id
110 bobloblaw : Network optimization means you do less overflying of your hubs, not more. If anything longer haul RJ flights from DFW to cities in the SE will be cut
111 ckfred : Here's one issue that the merger would have to deal with, BOS. I know that they are building a connection around the parking garage to connect the US
112 xaapb : Flying from MEX to LAS via PHX is what most of the time my family and I do, not to mention that normally US have the best fares to LAS via PHX. I've
113 AA787 : You are missing ZRH and BCN
114 deltairlines : AA hasn't had the right size fleet for a lot of these markets. The 767-300ER fleet is stretched pretty thin as it is; the 777 is simply too much airc
115 rob2507 : What about putting UA into the current AA or US gates, and AA or US into the new UA gates currently under construction? I have to think that Massport
116 flyinryan99 : While it may make sense in theory about over flying hubs, look at what DL has done. They have cut almost all small cities that have nothing but conne
117 Post contains images sccutler : 1. US ain't acquiring AA. 2. I have it on excellent authority that, not only will the combined carrier's HQ be in Texas; the decision has been made th
118 southwest737500 : What are the chances of a daily AS flight to CLT
119 YYZbound : There's HUGE amounts of money having contracts with where those premium passengers come from. The studios are required contractually through SAG for
120 Post contains links PanAmPaul : If so, we need to watch this video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCnWLR28pfE
121 LDVAviation : At LAX? The solution may just have presented itself. With US's impending move to T3 and LAWA's recent decision to redevelop T3 as part of the LAX Spe
122 sccutler : Meh. The "New Owner" of the combined entity will be, predominantly, the stakeholders of AA. When the dust settles, it will (from a shareholders' pers
123 panamair : AA has 18 75Ls (configured for international premium flying) and to date, they have been underutilizing them for their intended missions...many of th
124 EricR : The post-merger viewpoints on the PHX hub are too optimistic. The main objective of airline mergers in the U.S. today is to reduce capacity so airline
125 bobloblaw : There has actually been a reduction of that. Especially from UA. From DL there has been some like GRB losing ATL but that is coming back. I dont thin
126 D L X : The REAL question is... if this merger happens, will there then be THREE American Airlines Arenas in the United States? (Phoenix, Dallas, and Miami)
127 ckfred : Actually, AA did this, when the former Reno Air operation was in T3, and the rest of AA's operation was in T4. I once got bumped off an LAS-ORD non-s
128 LAXdude1023 : I agree, but pretty much every point that AA serves from DFW to the Southeast has enough O&D to make it work. Had AA still been serving FAY or AG
129 Post contains images commavia : Plus BCN and ZRH, and during the summer FCO and DUB. I wholeheartedly agree. You can't move US' PHL hub to JFK and make it work - no way. PHL is a vi
130 Post contains links apodino : I think comparisons between PHX and either CVG or STL are apples to oranges. There are several other factors in play in PHX. One is that PHX is the 11
131 commavia : Yes and no. Obviously every market is different, but on the flip side some of the issues that hurt CVG and STL would also hurt PHX if a merger takes
132 futureorthopod : wow...so now will airfares skyrocket?
133 rangercarp : I do not know if I would use the term skyrocket, but fares are most certainly going up.
134 IndustryInsider : Point2point, I'd like to correct one of your statements/questions: AA and B6 do NOT have a codeshare agreement in place today.
135 UA787DEN : Actually, there is a chance it will be like the CO/UA merger, or the TWA/AA merger, in which the airline to die switched into the surviving airline's
136 apodino : Since AA still uses the Sabre Reservations system...how much do you think Doug Parker is shooting himself now for using SHARES instead of Sabre after
137 bobloblaw : If markets in the SE can support CR7s to DFW, they will stay.
138 mah4546 : Twenty. AA converted two more for some reason last year. Only ten frames are actively used on long-haul. BOSCDG - 1 MIAUIO -2 MIABSB - 1 MIAASU - .6
139 UA787DEN : Has there been any actual confirmation from official dudes?
140 airtechy : How is AA going to square away the problem of not being able to fly into TLV. I think US does. Will they just pony up the bucks and solve the problem?
141 HPRamper : If you cut capacity/flights at PHL, where will they go? Maybe a handful of connections to ORD, and maybe an even smaller handful of international fli
142 Maverick623 : Interesting. So the 3 hubs that made record profits are going to be axed, in favor of hubs that lose a billion dollars a quarter? Just when you think
143 commavia : First, AA's hubs aren't losing a billion per quarter. Second, US hubs - and indeed the entire US network - is as profitable as it is today because of
144 Post contains images ER757 : From the moment I first saw it, I thought to myself that the livery was done with a US merger in mind. Sorry to all of you who hope the tail will go
145 AeroWesty : ORD-MAN going back to daily 2/13/13 from 5x per week, too.
146 deltairlines : I agree with this. Part of it will be the need to maintain more diligent CASM controls against Southwest, part of it will be customer preference (why
147 mah4546 : I was looking at the summer 13 schedule. ORDMAN becomes a 763 again shortly.
148 LAXdude1023 : I dont understand the doom and gloom talk surround PHL nor CLT. Both of these hubs would be very good assets for AA/US. CLT fills the role in the Sout
149 AeroWesty : I have to go along with this general line of thinking. The only thing PHX brings to the party that I can see is a hub within the west that isn't affe
150 airliner371 : ABC World News with Diane Sawyer just reported on the possible merger.
151 Byrdluvs747 : Can anyone post the number of gates & slots the combined AA/US will have at LGA? Also in comparison to DL?
152 airliner371 : Gate/Slots AA 15/100ish US 6/60
153 panam330 : When UA operates 757s or A320s on the same routes that AA offers a whopping one-class, 50-seat ERJ, it's not the same as it used to be. AA operated m
154 mah4546 : Doesn't change the fact it's one of the largest U.S. hub operations. And want to guess what airline has cut the most flying from O'Hare in the past 1
155 IrishAyes : That's a big oversimplification. UA has cut a ton of mainline capacity from ORD, and big business stations like DFW, ATL, MSP, CLT, RDU etc. are serv
156 mesaflyguy : If it is tweaked, and I sincerely hope it is, I want them to put stars on the flag. AMERICAN Airlines should have the accurate AMERICAN Flag.
157 Flighty : Totally agree that AA's network has more wealthy people on it. But, airline yields are not only about how many wealthy people live in the city. It's
158 nutsaboutplanes : I couldnt agree with you more.
159 PHX787 : Ok guy for the 2000000000th time- PHX is NOTHING like the conditions in CVG and MEM !!!!!! PHX will not end up like the conditions that MEM and CVG ar
160 Post contains links AeroWesty : Updated list of heritage airlines that would eventually end up as American Airlines post-merger: Air Cal Allegheny America West Empire Lake Central Mo
161 ckfred : I looked at the layout of Terminal B. I think it would make sense to keep the old Eagle gates (22-26, IIRC), since they would be at the end of the ne
162 commavia : I suppose, although I still am not sure if "new AA" would need that space. I think AA+US today - as-is - could probably fit into the US side of B. Th
163 wn676 : I don't think anyone was saying that it is. But now that you bring it up, you have wonder what the future holds for the valley when leaders here cont
164 Post contains images EricR : This is the important part: looking at the bigger picture of a combined US/AA network and the purpose PHX serves for US currently, it really makes you
165 GSPSPOT : HOW?? CLT is a vital Southeastern connecting hub. MIA, while technically in the Southeast is at the furthest corner of that region, and NOT a good con
166 piedmont727 : 1 horton sed if they merge it wont change and 2 its really not bad in person just wait
167 ltbewr : Of course, the big issue is that this will mean fewer choices in travel, as this causes more concentration of airline services, especially in the USA.
168 LAXdude1023 : There is almost no chance of the DOJ and DOT standing in the way. The precedent has been set.
169 PHX787 : There's a rumor that the Arizona attorney general may step in and file an anti-trust lawsuit should US/AA do the stupidest move ever and cut the PHX
170 commavia : Well that's ridiculous, on multiple accounts. Cutting the PHX hub the "stupidest move ever." Ha - that's a good one. A state Attorney General suing t
171 AeroWesty : How would a reduction of flights at Sky Harbor by US or AA be anti-competitive? Any other airline would be free to introduce service to fill any void
172 mplsjefe : Actually "network optimization" has helped MSP. MSP is a much larger metro area (+1 million more population) than CLT and has more O&D traffic an
173 Post contains links and images AeroWesty : Oh I dunno, he might be! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Horne#Controversies I don't think this guy has to worry about votes in the next election, L
174 ckfred : Here's my problem. Doug Parker has been trying to grow HP since the day he took over. First, he bought US. Then, he tried to buy DL. Now, he's going a
175 antoniemey : If I understand correctly, the issue has something to do with TWA pensions that AA bailed on when it brought on TWA employees? It MIGHT be something
176 rfields5421 : I wouldn't bet upon it. The bar has been set pretty low in Arizona. CLT might shrink a bit - but it is going to be a strong hub for a post merger AA.
177 Post contains images PIEAvantiP180 : You still need connections from those places like CVG, BWI, TPA, MCO, and the rest to support the international flights. Yes NYC is huge O&D mark
178 LAXdude1023 : I doubt it. DFW-SAV is a 130 passenger a day market. Markets that would be more likely to be ended from DFW in favor or just CLT service would be CHA
179 Flighty : No question DP (and others) want to have their ego stoked as a big time airline CEO. Which DP already is... But yes, he wants to go down as a "great"
180 jfklganyc : Funny to see this from pro business, ant government, red state Arizona. Bigger better farther faster for business...oh wait, PHX may be dehubbed??? S
181 commavia : Yes. The JFK-Europe schedule does still require connections, but it doesn't need all of those smaller, once-per-day markets. As the network is optimi
182 deltairlines : And how is there anti-trust should US reduce the PHX hub? Here is the current destination list for US out of PHX with commentary (this is assuming US
183 Post contains images commavia : No mattter what happens, PHX will continue to be an airline hub - it will just be one for Southwest, not necessarily AA. But as you rightly point out
184 deltairlines : Agreed. As I said in a thread somewhere on this site, AA offers a lot to the business traveler that Southwest doesn't - a first class cabin, lounges,
185 panam330 : And the sky is blue and grass is green. I never said it wasn't, so you're just arguing with yourself there. I said AA's ORD operation has shrunk to a
186 GSPSPOT : While that is factual, there are a shocking (at least to me when I figured it out) number of business people who fly WN. Check out the WN forum on Fl
187 adamh8297 : Also, some people prefer not to leave the US so the global network is a moot point to them.
188 PHX787 : I get your point but you do realize a lot of people out here don't want to fly WN. Those people like the mainliners because of the opportunities they
189 rfields5421 : When it is about moving local jobs out of state, cutting payroll - there are no red or blue states, no pro-business, no anti-government politicians.
190 deltairlines : Trust me, I'm a former (in the very recent past) resident of Scottsdale. Yes, some people don't want to fly Southwest. I was one of them when Iived o
191 Cubsrule : It's not a question of preferring not to leave the US. The question for me is when I need to go to JAX or SAT or CHI, whether I want to mess around w
192 rj777 : Well, if that news article is correct...... tomorrow might be the big day!
193 nutsaboutplanes : Which article are you referring to? Do you mean the one that the thread starter posted? I would imagine that we likely wont hear anything official bef
194 Post contains links moose135 : The Associated Press is reporting that there may be a delay... Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region...cording-to-ap-source#ixzz2KYw2cnWb
195 nutsaboutplanes : I just saw this on the 9pm news. I was actually expecting no earlier than Tuesday if the BOD's were not set to meet until Monday. The NDA does not exp
196 ckfred : I read an intersting article in the Wall Street Journal, on the day the news broke that a merger deal was close. Apparently, the lead attorney for the
197 sccutler : Fred - good observation, but you tag what I think is a sound reason in your next paragraph. The value of the respective elements in any combination i
198 EricR : What percentage do you think is a fair valuation? Keep in mind that US is valued at $2.4 billion. AA, depending on sources, is valued around $8 billi
199 Post contains links AirDance : If you enter http://www.usairwaysamerican.com it redirects the URL to http://www.newamericanarriving.com , though nothing shows up on the page. After
200 Post contains links AirDance : If you enter http://www.usairwaysamerican.com it redirects the URL to http://www.newamericanarriving.com , though nothing shows up on the page. After
201 silentbob : Parker did a great job with the HP-US merger. The only issue was a seniority battle caused by one of the pilot unions acting like spoiled children wh
202 web500sjc : At newamericanarriving.com I got asked for a username and password....
203 AirDance : I entered the URL in, without redirecting from usairwaysamerican.com, and the same thing showed up for me too. I imagine it is for those internally w
204 BD338 : Looks like they are planning in case the deal does go through, doubt it indicates it is a done deal. Nothing worse in todays connected world if a web
205 moose135 : No doubt. They may very well have purchased any number of likely domain names to hold in reserve just in case.
206 FWAERJ : Shortly after US indicated an interest in AA after AA filed for Chapter 11, US purchased a bunch of domain names in anticipation of an AA/US merger s
207 ckfred : There is an old saying in finance, real estate, and the legal profession. Sometimes, the best deal is the one you don't do. While a deal structured t
208 crAAzy : I'd have to agree here about AMR/AA valuation being worth more now that they finishing BK. Especially since the contracts AA negotiated with their un
209 Post contains links EricR : Well, below is one person's perspective that this deal has decent upside for US shareholders. It looks like the breakdown in ownership of the new mer
210 rj777 : Looks like we may be going to a thread part 2 if something doesn't happen in the next few days.
211 Post contains links PIEAvantiP180 : Here is a different perspective on the same subject. Of course this article is purely based from the investor side of view. Don't Expect to Profit Fro
212 Post contains links rj777 : Looks like I spoke too soon. In the following article, dated today (2/12), it says that BOTH boards will be meeting TOMORROW! (2/13) http://www.usatod
213 ckfred : If someone thinks I'm crazy, feel free to say so. It seems to me that the better idea would be for AA to come out of bankruptcy, then try to buy US. A
214 JoePatroni707 : Agreed 100%, however it will not play out that way. Doug Parker will be in control, I am terrified that he will bring AA down to US level of service.
215 HPRamper : AA could try, but I don't think they would succeed. At this point I think it's a show of pride. If this deal falls through, I see AA moving in an ent
216 Post contains links Mainland : This appears to be confirmed via Bloomberg. Announcement possible very soon. AMR, US Airways Said to Agree on Terms for Merger http://www.bloomberg.c
217 commavia : My greatest fear is that this highly oversimplified logic - mistaking correlation for causality - will drive the management team of a merged airline
218 Post contains links KarelXWB : "US sources have told us that the announcement of the AA/USAir merger will be tomorrow (14 FEB), mid-morning, in Dallas." http://twitter.com/airwaysma
219 silentbob : You're crazy. The cost of buying US would be a huge burden, that's why having this happen in bankruptcy makes the most sense. Wiping out the cost sav
220 Post contains links texan : From the Dallas Morning News: http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...us-airways-merger-wrapped-up.html/ Texan
221 Flighty : The HP philosophy saved US Airways and now, is leading to helm of largest airline in the world. It does not win a.net popularity contests. But Wall S
222 commavia : That is highly debatable. I'm guessing there are plenty of US Airways employees who would argue that union stupidity and Parker's fully taking advant
223 flyguy89 : How does that make any sense? The whole point of airlines is to make money, AA wasn't making money because labor costs were too high. Employee costs
224 IrishAyes : You will only make money if you appeal to the higher-revenue paying customers. The second you dilute your product, FFP and become an operationally un
225 FWAERJ : DL does it, too. On two different DL flights that I was on last September, the FAs were pitching Gold Delta SkyMiles American Express cards in the mi
226 Cubsrule : I think it's a pretty safe bet that the hub carrier will just absorb the other at the hubs. As usual, the more interesting gate integration questions
227 alitalia744 : Isn't US already scheduled to leave T1 at LAX?
228 flyfree727 : Looks like the MOD's can change it to fact tomorrow... and ,after all the attention given the past couple of months, really, is anyone surprised? JFK
229 airliner371 : I think you are on the ball with everything you state.
230 FWAERJ : Yes, US was going to leave T1 for T3, but I guess it will be a move to T4 now. With VX slowing down growth, will someone else like G4 move into the T
231 usairways85 : If anyone is going to take US' gates at ORD I imagine UA would want to pounce on them.
232 mah4546 : That's now how it works. You don't divest gates so an airport's largest carrier can grow larger. Curious to see how this closes the gap at LGA and LA
233 Post contains images commavia : Before any capacity rationalization, simply using pro forma 2012 (Jan-Dec) numbers from LAWA, United (including Continental and SkyWest) and American
234 FWAERJ : I'm sure UA would love the three US gates at ORD, but I don't think the DOT and DOJ would allow UA or even DL (both T2 occupants like US) to get the
235 Post contains links and images caliatenza : Mods can change it to today : http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/13/news...erican-merger/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 "The boards of US Airways and American Airline
236 Flighty : Well, I appreciate your post, but Doug and Scott made a better airline than HP or US ever previously were. And it makes money quarter upon quarter. O
237 mah4546 : This leads me thinking - where else do they become the largest (excluding obvious capacity rationalzation)? Looks like AA will once again be the larg
238 Cubsrule : Not a good example. US has neither the aircraft nor the appropriate gateway nor the Asia know-how to fly there. AA isn't shy about dropping money-los
239 usairways85 : Honestly though, US even applying for the PEK slots was a joke. It's like if tomorrow B6 applied to fly FLL-CDG or some 2nd tier European city just b
240 mah4546 : I think the chances of status selling continuing to the combined carrier are close to zero.
241 Cubsrule : Is AA still largest at SJU? Though US doesn't serve SJU from many gateways, they often run a number of widebodies in there in season.
242 commavia : Yep - as I have contended for months, this combined carrier is going to be a major competitive force in lots and lots of markets, big and small. In a
243 Cubsrule : And if we ask a slightly different question and look at largest legacy, AA opens up a gap in quite a few places (STL, BNA, AUS, SAT, BDL, PIT, etc.)
244 crAAzy : A combined US/AA at ORD certainly will not be giving up any gates to anyone. As for the US gates at ORD, I think we'll eventually see AA/US taking th
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