STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51 Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 15123 times:
The Port Authority yesterday approved phase II of the Terminal 4 expansion. Phase II will add 11 regional jet gates to the end of concourse B, the concourse DL is currently expanding. There were renderings previously released back when the project was first announced showing the Phase II expansion. It also officially eliminates the walkway from T-4 to T-2, the justification being that with the Regional operation moving to T-4 they would no longer be the need for the walkway. T-3 is going to be torn down, no change, and T-2 will carry on with a new shuttle bus connecting T-2 to T-4 airside.
jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3627 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 15076 times:
Obviously Delta had some obligations to meet that were in limbo when they scrapped the connector...so they just went ahead with phase 2 of 3 of moving all its operations to T4, thus relieving them of the connector obligaton.
Phase 3...the extension of Concourse A to accomodate DLs non RJ domestic operation is still a few years away.
But as we saw in the original drawing, there is a plan...and Delta, JFKIAT, and the PANYNJ seem to be seeing it out.
Same Docket: On another note, several years ago they discussed a ramp from the Palisades to the Lower Level of the George Washington Bridge. Quite a shame they are rebuilding a flawed ramp design.
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14330 times:
Quoting questions (Reply 6): Will T2 be used for certain flights, eg, transcon, ATL?
Probably mainline domestic, but I would guess not transcon, now that they are starting to use international aircraft (767s and 757s with Business Elite) to LAX and SFO. I'd expect those flights to be at T4, but who knows.
This is great news, glad to see the port authority and DL moving onto phase II so quickly. Its going to cost DL $175mil for 11 RJ gates and a bus station, not a bad amount of money for preferential use of the gates and the ease of connections to the rest of international operation DL will be running out of T4.
Does anybody know the timeline for the completion of phase II?
rwsea From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14023 times:
Rather than keep T2, why doesn't DL add another "finger" off of T4 concourse B (in the direction of where T2/3 are now)? Seems that having everything in one, state of the art terminal is preferable to two terminals connected by a bus. Would simplify connections and give everyone an equally good experience.
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13986 times:
Quoting rwsea (Reply 15): Seems that having everything in one, state of the art terminal is preferable to two terminals connected by a bus. Would simplify connections and give everyone an equally good experience.
Absolutely, and I think DL consolidating in T4 is definitely where things are headed--it just can't happen overnight. Phase II, moving the RJ gates to T4, is another good step in the right direction. Phase III, with the expansion of Concourse A, will allow DL to leave T2.
bizjet From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 13315 times:
Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 13): Are 11 gates going to be enough for the entire RJ operation? I counted 17 RJ stands at the end of T2 currently available for use.
I was wondering that too. I believe Gate 23/25 at T2 has 17 RJ stands as you say, plus Gate 18 in the T3 saucer is used for RJs.
However, I bet 11 gates at the new T4 extension is sufficient because:
1) RJ operations are down substantially at JFK following the LGA ramp-up. I don't have the exact numbers, but DL pulled down JFK RJ flying as it ramped up the LGA schedule. So they don't need as many JFK RJ gates as they did at their peak. I don't think they're using all the RJ stands now even at peak times.
2) I've always noticed RJs sitting on the T2 stands for a long time, whether as spares or to allow better scheduling to optimize connectivity. Worse case scenario, spares and planes with an extended sit could move off the gate to a nearby hardstand.
LXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 13247 times:
Looking at all those Sky Team Airlines at T1 such as Korean Air, Aero Mexico, Aeroflot, Alitalia and Air France these should eventually move to T4 and SWISS and Singapore Airlines should move to T1. As on other airports also at JFK the Terminals should start ot be organized on Alliance level.
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11813 times:
I'm surprised by this news. I thought that the original estimates didn't have go-ahead on phase II until near the end of this decade.
Quoting incitatus (Reply 5): Is there going to be a bus from T4 check-in to the new regional gates? It is a 0.75 mile walk.
I don't think that they ever mentioned a bus service to the regional gates, just the bus connecting T2 and T4. I'd wager that unless the elites in New York pitch a fit, they won't and will just make everyone walk/use the moving walkways.
Quoting rwsea (Reply 15): Rather than keep T2, why doesn't DL add another "finger" off of T4 concourse B (in the direction of where T2/3 are now)? Seems that having everything in one, state of the art terminal is preferable to two terminals connected by a bus. Would simplify connections and give everyone an equally good experience.
I don't know if you remember, but that was the original intent way back when DL first discussed a new JFK terminal pre-9/11. T3 and T2 were going to be torn down to make way for an additional concourse off of T4. I suppose it's always possible for them to revisit that idea, but I doubt that would happen in the near future.
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: will also depend on how big T4A is and if they could get all the other T4 carriers out. I think that is a bit longer. Also pretty sure the Delta term
: I don't remember this. Do you have a photo or link to the plan? This is the one I have from the Leo Mullin days.
: I agree. Those regional flights carry more connecting traffic than O&D. Most NY pax (especially elites) going to any of those regional destinatio
: Does anyone have pictures or layouts of how the extension off of T4 into the former T2 space was suppose to look like? thanks, probably would have ha
: Actually, that one you have there was a better, more expensive job. Notice the headhouse was actually extended to accomodate thousands of new passenge
: I think the headhouse structure itself is plenty big. They did make several critical, expensive improvements: - Building an expanded, centralized sec
: Are the RJ gates going to be capable of segregating passengers so arrival could be routed into the FIS? I ask this because DL is launching YQB in May,
: What I don't understand from where will the extra space be taken for imigration counters and baggage belts?
: Gate 19 in T2, the main gate to catch the airside buses to T3/T4, also doubles as a bus gate for hardstand RJ flights during the evening rush.