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WestJet Encore Announcement Feb 11  
User currently offlineflyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 684 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8660 times:

Looks as though WS will be announcing their new schedules this coming Monday. Going to be interesting to see if they launch via YYC or YYZ. My gut is that we'll see start out west in their own backyard.

Source: http://www.theprovince.com/business/...uncement+Monday/7928626/story.html

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User currently offlineHawaiian763 From Canada, joined May 2009, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8533 times:

I think the original plan was to start out west and slowly work their way east. I'm thinking they'll start on routes where a 737 is too much, than expand their network with new routes. Personally I'm hoping they finally start YYC-YXC (Cranbrook) and crack the monopoly that AC has had on that route for years.

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5010 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8487 times:

Any rumors on Encore transborder flying?


Next Up: STL-LGA-RIC-ATL-STL
User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8357 times:

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 1):
Personally I'm hoping they finally start YYC-YXC (Cranbrook) and crack the monopoly that AC has had on that route for years.

I don't see the YXC - YYC market that lucrative when one looks at AC summer schedule. 2 - 3 BEH a day doesn't constitute a significant opportunity. That's a total of up to 54 seats spread throughout the day and WS DH4 is likely to be configured with at least 74 seats.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5367 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8227 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
Any rumors on Encore transborder flying?

I'm anxious to find out the answer to this question as well...

bb


User currently offlineflyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8087 times:

Rumour has it their will be 1-2 new US routes, and only about 2-3 new routes in Canada to mid-sized markets. As well as strengthening of the current market out East with the 737's. Saw that over on a different forum.

User currently offlinec172akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8059 times:

Quoting flyb (Reply 5):
Saw that over on a different forum.

A forum about skyscrapers by chance?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24917 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7970 times:

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 1):
Personally I'm hoping they finally start YYC-YXC (Cranbrook) and crack the monopoly that AC has had on that route for years.

Don't think the demand exists. Even when YYC-YXC was Canadian and previously Pacific Western and previously Canadian Pacific, it's always been a monopoly as far as I recall. Most people prefer to drive, even though it's almost twice as far by road, but still not much more than a 4-hour drive.


User currently offlineflyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7862 times:

Facebook. Ha. They also confirmed YYC - DFW.

[Edited 2013-02-07 17:53:36]

User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7830 times:

Quoting flyb (Thread starter):

Looks as though WS will be announcing their new schedules this coming Monday. Going to be interesting to see if they launch via YYC or YYZ. My gut is that we'll see start out west in their own backyard.

That is where my money is going, well not literally. I don't think that Encore is going to see eastern Canada until 2014. What with the limited number of aircraft available to them.



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User currently offlineflyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7824 times:

So per WS 2 US and 2 new canadian destinations. One new ns between existing markets. All found on their Facebook page along with Dallas announcement.

User currently offlineYXD172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7804 times:

Also from Facebook, looks like YYZ-MYR. I'm betting on it going to the Q400, same as PD. A 737 just feels excessive on this route.


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User currently offlineflyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7785 times:

YEG-PHX year round as well

User currently offlinefidelidade From Brazil, joined Dec 2012, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7738 times:

I can't be surprised. I met the guy who manages their network planning and he is very smart. I think he was also the guy who said to Gol to stop flying routes on 767 and focus on what is good.

User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7549 times:

I think Encore will eventually do the US but not right now since its way too fresh.
I would imagine new cities in Washington like GEG and possibly Montana to be potentials and also Utah, Minnesota and other existing routes served by competition. We have alot of Mormons living in this region. But that's for another time of speculation, for now gearing up to see what the big word will be!



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5076 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7457 times:

Quoting fidelidade (Reply 13):
I can't be surprised. I met the guy who manages their network planning and he is very smart. I think he was also the guy who said to Gol to stop flying routes on 767 and focus on what is good.

= Jaja. I think I know who you are talking about  . I am surprised WestJet has been able to keep him that long. I know he was close to leaving for one of the Middle Eastern carriers. Smart guy ... though, I must harass him on DFW! Isn't there already too much capacity with 2x on AA? Does the market need a 3rd flight?

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7413 times:

Well WS is giving a presentation about Encore at the ROUTES conference on Monday in CTG....


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User currently offlineflyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7330 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 15):
= Jaja. I think I know who you are talking about . I am surprised WestJet has been able to keep him that long. I know he was close to leaving for one of the Middle Eastern carriers. Smart guy ... though, I must harass him on DFW! Isn't there already too much capacity with 2x on AA? Does the market need a 3rd flight?

Saludos,
A.

I think they will do just fine on that route, as many would rather fly WS over AA. Look at YYC-ORD, lots of capacity of that route, and they make it work. However, with AA increasing capacity on the route with a 737-800 it should be interesting. I think both airlines since they codeshare will work on getting connections through YYC more aggresively than before.


User currently offlineTennisace From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7231 times:

Quoting flyb (Reply 10):
So per WS 2 US and 2 new canadian destinations. One new ns between existing markets. All found on their Facebook page along with Dallas announcement.

I will hazard a guess that the 2 new Canadian destinations are in conjunction with the Encore announcement, and that they will be...........Penticton CYYF and Nanaimo CYCD (maybe Fort St. John CYXJ)


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2741 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7094 times:

I would wonder if WS would consider DEN?

As of now, DEN will have nonstop flights to 9 Canadian airports (YVR, YEG, YYC, YXE, YQR, YWG, YYZ, YUL and soon the seasonal YMM) and these routes are all *A, with UA on the bulk of the routes and handful of AC flights to YYZ and YUL. Most of these can be more than a couple of flights per day. So there really is no competition on any of these, and I can imagine that UA gets some of its best yields at DEN with these.

So....... would there be any room for WS at DEN?



 


User currently offlineYYCSpotter From Canada, joined Jul 2012, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6998 times:

Quoting Tennisace (Reply 18):
Penticton CYYF and Nanaimo CYCD

neither are very likely. It makes more sense for the to improve on flights to nearby hubs, such as YYJ for YYF, and YLW for YCD. those destinations are just to close to larger 'hubs' to support q400 flights... q100 or B1900 flights, maybe, but not q400



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6936 times:

Quoting YYCSpotter (Reply 20):
neither are very likely

I would have to agree. WS has so many small market airports pandering for flights that I cannot but see a lot of disappointment when the announcement of destinations is made. Some will at a much later stage see WS service;it's just that I see service where it makes the most sense by filling in the holes in significant markets such as YWG to YQR and YXE. YEG-YYC is a pair that could use frequency over excessive B737 capacity.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5367 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6870 times:

From a comment I just saw on a totally unrelated thread, it seems possible that there might be some mainline route announcements made on Monday, as well as Encore news.

I hope that this is true and that more than one new trans-border mainline route will be revealed. The timing of this big press event is about right for some new summer routes...

  

bb


User currently offlineflyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6711 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 22):

Yes sounds like DFW and one more. Plus year round from seasonal on routes like YEG-pHX


User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6666 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 19):
I would wonder if WS would consider DEN?

Unlikely, since DEN is a *A stronghold and well served from YYC already.

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 21):
I would have to agree. WS has so many small market airports pandering for flights that I cannot but see a lot of disappointment when the announcement of destinations is made.

Agreed. This will just be the INITIAL announcement though. There will be many more to come in the the next 2 years as all 20 Q400's are delivered.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 22):
From a comment I just saw on a totally unrelated thread, it seems possible that there might be some mainline route announcements made on Monday

YYC-DFW
YYZ-MYR (Myrtle Beach).



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
25 Tennisace : As someone else mentioned above, the Westjet Facebook page clearly states that there will be 2 new Canadian destinations announced. I am suggesting t
26 YXD172 : DFW for sure, but I don't know about mainline to MYR, that's a lot of capacity for that market. Right now, PD only flies 5x weekly in winter peak, 2x
27 rj777 : Is there even a logo/livery for Encore yet?
28 YYZatcboy : Yep. You will find it on every Westjet aircraft. (Minus the Operated by Encore sticker)
29 Fiedman : I got my fingers crossed for my home airport of Lethbridge YQL hasnt been the same since the Air Canada/Canadian Merger
30 yyz717 : The Westjet facebook page let MYR out of the bag. I agree with you though -- it is a small market and wil likely only be seasonal service with less t
31 multimark : What monopoly? AC Jazz flies 3x daily and so does Pacific Coastal.
32 MEL : I expect Vancouver-Kamloops-Calgary to be operated by WestJet Encore.
33 Post contains images ajhYXE : I'm holding out hope for YXE-YWG nonstop. How much O&D traffic does DEN see on those routes? I would imagine a considerable portion of those PAX g
34 ERJ170 : I guess the likelyhood of RDU is low? How about the DCmetro?
35 Post contains images point2point : I'm able to find pax per day info listed between DEN and: YYZ - 253, YYC - 167, YVR - 150, YUL - 82, YEG - 73, YWG - 40, (YOW - 25), both YXE/YQR - 1
36 Noise : I expect WS to add YQL as a destination. Besides YQL, it's anyone's guess in my opinion. Maybe Fort St. John? Prince Albert?
37 abrelosojos : = Do you know who is speaking at Routes? Saludos, A
38 flyb : From airlineroute.net Update at 0210GMT 11FEB13 As per 11FEB13 GDS timetable and inventory display, WestJet reveals planned new routes as well as oper
39 9252fly : I'm sure the WS media folks will be none to pleased to have this information out before they had a chance to have a launch event in the coming days.
40 BridYYC : I was really hoping YYC-SEA and YVR-SEA would be on the list.
41 cyeg66 : Well, it is a bit of a surprise to me since I was convinced of their urgent need on the YYZ-LGA route.
42 tguman : So one of the Q400's is going to go from YYC-YXJ change flt # and fly YXJ-YVR-YYJ, remaing overnight then fly YYJ-YVR-YXJ change flt# and fly YXJ-YYC.
43 Post contains links cgagn : According to Flightaware a Bombardier Q400 demo plane flew into YYC on Sunday and Monday will fly YYC-YXJ-YCD. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BBA5
44 Noise : As I predicted, Fort St. John was added. However, I'm veeeeeery surprised YQL wasn't on that list.
45 YXD172 : Well, I take it back, I guess that they do see demand for a 737 to MYR. Increased use on YEG-YYC isn't much of a surprise, but YXJ-YYC definitely is t
46 9252fly : 9M has a daily flight YYC-YEG-YXJ-YYE and return.
47 JAGflyer : Will the Q400s have personal IFE? I'm guessing not as it's not normally installed on the Q400 planes.
48 flyb : I doubt it was none of WS new aircraft do, as they are looking for a new IFE solution. Tablets are the current solution.
49 YXD172 : Oops, I didn't realize that flight originated in YYC. It'll be interesting to see what happens to 9M then.
50 9252fly : They're likely to feel pricing pressure and ultimately their yields on the flight will drop. It's a question of how much profit margin will exist whe
51 Flaps : I was pretty confident that Grand Prairie would be on that list. There never seems to be an empty seat on the AC Dash 8's but usually only a 50-60% lo
52 flyb : Ha I thought I was the only one that did that. When I lived in the States I always went through YEG if I could. Have to say that it's much nicer now
53 Viscount724 : If the 78 seats is correct, that's one more row of seats than the Jazz Q400s which have 74 seats. How will the seat pitch compare? The SkyRegional Q4
54 multimark : Is Encore using the same dated livery as WS mainline?
55 kiramakora : Well they think their strong brand obviously is an advantage, and I like their livery. Were you at the presentation? It was electrifying. Their young
56 YYZAMS : I wonder if Porter could start a satellite operation out west to soak up some western markets and then slowly connect its flights east. Has any airlin
57 flyb : As awesome as that would be I think it would stretch them to thin, and take them out of their niche.
58 YVRLTN : Well, this is pretty useless without a morning outbound departure if they really want to compete with AC. I assume a morning flight would be added as
59 Viscount724 : Many years ago (1940s/50s) CP operated a network within Quebec serving about 10 points that had no connection to the rest of the CP network. Those ro
60 yyz717 : Porter has mentioned (a couple of years ago) that expansion west to YWG was an option (presumably YTZ-YQT-YWG) but it has not been mentioned recently
61 Noise : I would say keep Porter In Central and Eastern Canada for now. There are still plenty of places they don't fly to yet in the east, including YXU, YFC,
62 Post contains links thenoflyzone : looks like YYZ is getting a good chunk of the new 737 routes that the DH8's are opening up. Straight from airlineroute.net http://airlineroute.net/201
63 Post contains images WestJet747 : The promotional material would suggest so: Very interesting history! I don't think Porter would be able to compete out west, especially with Encore s
64 yxu737 : Porter would like to fly into YXU but the airport authority isn't willing to give into what they want (no ramp fees, advertising money).
65 flyb : I do wonder how CMA is going to respond to this. Right now if you don't know about them, they are "hard" to book with since you actually have to go to
66 9252fly : I'm sure they'll cut a deal eventually. Jazz is closing it's YXU maintenance facility this summer and the hangar may be of interest to Porter. Does t
67 brilondon : There has to be more to YXU then that, although I have heard that too. They have lost service to DTW, supposedly because of low yields and AC claimin
68 Viscount724 : That's often a problem for airports like YXU that are so close to a much larger airport served by dozens of carriers and hundreds of daily flights. I
69 connies4ever : Also Pacific Western back in the day. There were separate Alberta and Coastal divisions, with no connection between the two. Coastal also operated to
70 yyz717 : The start of MYR seems to coincide with the seasonal end of Porter YTZ-MYR service. YXU is caught between a rock and a hard place (DTW and YYZ). Both
71 Noise : Looking at the stats provided by Statistic Canada on their website, YXU-NYC marketing is roughly 8K pax per year. Not much, yet it's one of their lar
72 Viscount724 : One mid-1950s timetable shows YXY as a "charter base". I don't think PWA ever had scheduled service to the Yukon. I remember when PWA finally connect
73 yxu737 : I think eventually porter will cut a deal but those are things they are looking for right now in order for them to come to YXU and as far as the hanga
74 drgmobile : So much interest in speculating, but not a word on the actual announcement! The Encore unit will start service with flights to Fort Saint John from Ca
75 flyb : If read the whole thread you would see that it was already released
76 TheCol : Unless Encore expands service to YYE, 9M will likely continue to operate their YYC-YEG-YXJ-YYE sched. Still plenty of money to be made.
77 Post contains links abrelosojos : Interesting routes and destinations. I found this release on FlightGlobal interesting: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ern-canada-launch-timeli
78 Post contains images A388 : Too bad you must be a member to be able to open that article A388
79 kiramakora : This is some of what the article says. I have cut it because of rules here. "WestJet's new regional subsidiary Encore will begin evaluating service to
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