flyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 630 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7291 times:
Looks as though WS will be announcing their new schedules this coming Monday. Going to be interesting to see if they launch via YYC or YYZ. My gut is that we'll see start out west in their own backyard.
Hawaiian763 From Canada, joined May 2009, 239 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7164 times:
I think the original plan was to start out west and slowly work their way east. I'm thinking they'll start on routes where a 737 is too much, than expand their network with new routes. Personally I'm hoping they finally start YYC-YXC (Cranbrook) and crack the monopoly that AC has had on that route for years.
9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1342 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (3 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6988 times:
Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 1): Personally I'm hoping they finally start YYC-YXC (Cranbrook) and crack the monopoly that AC has had on that route for years.
I don't see the YXC - YYC market that lucrative when one looks at AC summer schedule. 2 - 3 BEH a day doesn't constitute a significant opportunity. That's a total of up to 54 seats spread throughout the day and WS DH4 is likely to be configured with at least 74 seats.
flyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 630 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6718 times:
Rumour has it their will be 1-2 new US routes, and only about 2-3 new routes in Canada to mid-sized markets. As well as strengthening of the current market out East with the 737's. Saw that over on a different forum.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21464 posts, RR: 24 Reply 7, posted (3 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6601 times:
Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 1): Personally I'm hoping they finally start YYC-YXC (Cranbrook) and crack the monopoly that AC has had on that route for years.
Don't think the demand exists. Even when YYC-YXC was Canadian and previously Pacific Western and previously Canadian Pacific, it's always been a monopoly as far as I recall. Most people prefer to drive, even though it's almost twice as far by road, but still not much more than a 4-hour drive.
brilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 3168 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6461 times:
Quoting flyb (Thread starter):
Looks as though WS will be announcing their new schedules this coming Monday. Going to be interesting to see if they launch via YYC or YYZ. My gut is that we'll see start out west in their own backyard.
That is where my money is going, well not literally. I don't think that Encore is going to see eastern Canada until 2014. What with the limited number of aircraft available to them.
fidelidade From Brazil, joined Dec 2012, 27 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6369 times:
I can't be surprised. I met the guy who manages their network planning and he is very smart. I think he was also the guy who said to Gol to stop flying routes on 767 and focus on what is good.
BO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2759 posts, RR: 20 Reply 14, posted (3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6180 times:
I think Encore will eventually do the US but not right now since its way too fresh.
I would imagine new cities in Washington like GEG and possibly Montana to be potentials and also Utah, Minnesota and other existing routes served by competition. We have alot of Mormons living in this region. But that's for another time of speculation, for now gearing up to see what the big word will be!
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abrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 4915 posts, RR: 55 Reply 15, posted (3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 6088 times:
Quoting fidelidade (Reply 13): I can't be surprised. I met the guy who manages their network planning and he is very smart. I think he was also the guy who said to Gol to stop flying routes on 767 and focus on what is good.
= Jaja. I think I know who you are talking about . I am surprised WestJet has been able to keep him that long. I know he was close to leaving for one of the Middle Eastern carriers. Smart guy ... though, I must harass him on DFW! Isn't there already too much capacity with 2x on AA? Does the market need a 3rd flight?
yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5156 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6044 times:
Well WS is giving a presentation about Encore at the ROUTES conference on Monday in CTG....
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
flyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 630 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5961 times:
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 15): = Jaja. I think I know who you are talking about . I am surprised WestJet has been able to keep him that long. I know he was close to leaving for one of the Middle Eastern carriers. Smart guy ... though, I must harass him on DFW! Isn't there already too much capacity with 2x on AA? Does the market need a 3rd flight?
Saludos,
A.
I think they will do just fine on that route, as many would rather fly WS over AA. Look at YYC-ORD, lots of capacity of that route, and they make it work. However, with AA increasing capacity on the route with a 737-800 it should be interesting. I think both airlines since they codeshare will work on getting connections through YYC more aggresively than before.
Tennisace From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 217 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5862 times:
Quoting flyb (Reply 10): So per WS 2 US and 2 new canadian destinations. One new ns between existing markets. All found on their Facebook page along with Dallas announcement.
I will hazard a guess that the 2 new Canadian destinations are in conjunction with the Encore announcement, and that they will be...........Penticton CYYF and Nanaimo CYCD (maybe Fort St. John CYXJ)
point2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1959 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5725 times:
I would wonder if WS would consider DEN?
As of now, DEN will have nonstop flights to 9 Canadian airports (YVR, YEG, YYC, YXE, YQR, YWG, YYZ, YUL and soon the seasonal YMM) and these routes are all *A, with UA on the bulk of the routes and handful of AC flights to YYZ and YUL. Most of these can be more than a couple of flights per day. So there really is no competition on any of these, and I can imagine that UA gets some of its best yields at DEN with these.
neither are very likely. It makes more sense for the to improve on flights to nearby hubs, such as YYJ for YYF, and YLW for YCD. those destinations are just to close to larger 'hubs' to support q400 flights... q100 or B1900 flights, maybe, but not q400
I would have to agree. WS has so many small market airports pandering for flights that I cannot but see a lot of disappointment when the announcement of destinations is made. Some will at a much later stage see WS service;it's just that I see service where it makes the most sense by filling in the holes in significant markets such as YWG to YQR and YXE. YEG-YYC is a pair that could use frequency over excessive B737 capacity.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4719 posts, RR: 15 Reply 22, posted (3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5501 times:
From a comment I just saw on a totally unrelated thread, it seems possible that there might be some mainline route announcements made on Monday, as well as Encore news.
I hope that this is true and that more than one new trans-border mainline route will be revealed. The timing of this big press event is about right for some new summer routes...
Unlikely, since DEN is a *A stronghold and well served from YYC already.
Quoting 9252fly (Reply 21): I would have to agree. WS has so many small market airports pandering for flights that I cannot but see a lot of disappointment when the announcement of destinations is made.
Agreed. This will just be the INITIAL announcement though. There will be many more to come in the the next 2 years as all 20 Q400's are delivered.
Quoting SANFan (Reply 22): From a comment I just saw on a totally unrelated thread, it seems possible that there might be some mainline route announcements made on Monday
YYC-DFW
YYZ-MYR (Myrtle Beach).
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
As someone else mentioned above, the Westjet Facebook page clearly states that there will be 2 new Canadian destinations announced. I am suggesting they will be Encore cities (CYCD & CYYF) and not new Mainline cities. Where else would WS mainline fly into???? Thoughts.........
DFW for sure, but I don't know about mainline to MYR, that's a lot of capacity for that market. Right now, PD only flies 5x weekly in winter peak, 2x in the fall. It'll be an interesting route to watch, especially if they're announcing it now - this would indicate summer service, when PD doesn't fly the route at all!
[Edited 2013-02-08 21:14:07]
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yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15989 posts, RR: 59 Reply 30, posted (3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5389 times:
Quoting YXD172 (Reply 26): DFW for sure, but I don't know about mainline to MYR, that's a lot of capacity for that market.
The Westjet facebook page let MYR out of the bag. I agree with you though -- it is a small market and wil likely only be seasonal service with less than daily service.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
multimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 745 posts, RR: 0 Reply 31, posted (3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5373 times:
Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 1): I think the original plan was to start out west and slowly work their way east. I'm thinking they'll start on routes where a 737 is too much, than expand their network with new routes. Personally I'm hoping they finally start YYC-YXC (Cranbrook) and crack the monopoly that AC has had on that route for years.
What monopoly? AC Jazz flies 3x daily and so does Pacific Coastal.
point2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1959 posts, RR: 1 Reply 35, posted (3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5175 times:
Quoting ajhYXE (Reply 33): How much O&D traffic does DEN see on those routes?
I'm able to find pax per day info listed between DEN and: YYZ - 253, YYC - 167, YVR - 150, YUL - 82, YEG - 73, YWG - 40, (YOW - 25), both YXE/YQR - 15, (YHZ - 11, YYJ - 10, YQB - 8, YLW - 5, YYT - 3, YXU - 2), YMM - 2.
Okay, maybe YYZ, YYC and YVR may have a chance if seasonal and less than daily, as WS can do with stations that it has? Also, DEN-Canada flights are fared quite high I believe..... possibly WS could stimulate demand with some lower prices?
flyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 630 posts, RR: 0 Reply 38, posted (3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4716 times:
From airlineroute.net
Update at 0210GMT 11FEB13
As per 11FEB13 GDS timetable and inventory display, WestJet reveals planned new routes as well as operational routes for its regional turboprop unit “ENCORE”. Reservations for these new routes are now open since 10FEB13, and the airline is expected to make the announcement as early as 11FEB13.
NEW WESTJET Mainline Routes
Calgary – Dallas/Ft. Worth eff 29APR13 NEW 1 daily service
WS1554 YYC1025 – 1458DFW 73W D
WS1555 DFW1545 – 1829YYC 73W D
Toronto – Myrtle Beach eff 02MAY13 NEW 2 weekly service
WS1154 YYZ0930 – 1135MYR 73W 47
WS1155 MYR1220 – 1414YYZ 73W 47
WestJet Encore
WestJet Encore begins operation from 24JUN13, and will be further expanded from 15AUG13, with a fleet of 78-seater Dash8-Q400 aircraft.
Calgary – Edmonton eff 15AUG13 1 of 7 daily service replace Mainline operation
WS3252 YYC1220 – 1311YEG DH4 D
WS3253 YEG1715 – 1803YYC DH4 D
From 15SEP13, overall service increases from 7 to 9 daily, with 4 of 9 daily operated by Encore
WS3250 YYC0600 – 0651YEG DH4 D
WS3252 YYC1220 – 1311YEG DH4 D
WS3268 YYC1450 – 1541YEG DH4 D
WS3291 YYC1745 – 1836YEG DH4 D
WS3251 YEG1050 – 1138YYC DH4 D
WS3273 YEG1615 – 1703YYC DH4 D
WS3253 YEG1715 – 1803YYC DH4 D
WS3292 YEG2245 – 2333YYC DH4 D
Calgary – Fort St. John eff 24JUN13 NEW WestJet service
WS3101 YYC1600 – 1639YXJ DH4 D
WS3100 YXJ1030 – 1300YYC DH4 D
Calgary – Grande Prairie eff 15AUG13 NEW 1 daily nonstop service
WS3248 YYC2030 – 2154YQU DH4 D
WS3249 YQU0600 – 0717YYC DH4 D (eff 16AUG13)
Calgary – Nanaimo eff 24JUN13 NEW WestJet service
WS3109 YYC1100 – 1143YCD DH4 D
WS3108 YCD1230 – 1457YYC DH4 D
Schedule varies after 15SEP13
Calgary – Regina eff 15AUG13 1 of 4 daily service replace Mainline operation
WS3296 YYC0815 – 0943YQR DH4 D
WS3289 YQR1015 – 1148YYC DH4 D
Calgary – Saskatoon eff 24JUN13 Overall service increases from 4 to 5 daily
WS3241 YYC1650 – 1805YXE DH4 D
WS3246 YXE1835 – 1953YYC DH4 D
Edmonton – Grande Prairie eff 15AUG13 1 of 2 daily service replace Mainline operation
WS3252 YEG1345 – 1451YQU DH4 D
WS3253 YQU1530 – 1632YEG DH4 D
Vancouver – Fort St. John eff 24JUN13 NEW WestJet service
WS3102 YVR0815 – 0959YXJ DH4 D (eff 25JUN13)
WS3103 YXJ1710 – 1855YVR DH4 D
Vancouver – Victoria eff 24JUN13 NEW WestJet service
WS3103 YVR1925 – 1955YYJ DH4 D
WS3102 YYJ0715 – 0744YVR DH4 D (eff 25JUN13)
9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1342 posts, RR: 0 Reply 39, posted (3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4455 times:
Quoting flyb (Reply 38): WestJet reveals planned new routes
I'm sure the WS media folks will be none to pleased to have this information out before they had a chance to have a launch event in the coming days. Looking through the initial routes for the start-up division,I must say they seem well thought out and I'm impressed. It's no surprise that they chose to launch services in the western part of the country considering that PD and AC are already in a dogfight in the east.
cyeg66 From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 166 posts, RR: 1 Reply 41, posted (3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4377 times:
Quoting 9252fly (Reply 39):
It's no surprise that they chose to launch services in the western part of the country considering that PD and AC are already in a dogfight in the east.
Well, it is a bit of a surprise to me since I was convinced of their urgent need on the YYZ-LGA route.
slow to 160, contact tower, slow to 160, contact tower, slow to....ZZZZZZZ......
YXD172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 426 posts, RR: 0 Reply 45, posted (3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4026 times:
Well, I take it back, I guess that they do see demand for a 737 to MYR. Increased use on YEG-YYC isn't much of a surprise, but YXJ-YYC definitely is to me! No service there at all currently, not even CMA.
Radial engines don't leak oil, they are just marking their territory!
9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1342 posts, RR: 0 Reply 46, posted (3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3910 times:
Quoting YXD172 (Reply 45): Increased use on YEG-YYC isn't much of a surprise, but YXJ-YYC definitely is to me! No service there at all currently, not even CMA.
9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1342 posts, RR: 0 Reply 50, posted (3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3530 times:
Quoting YXD172 (Reply 49): Oops, I didn't realize that flight originated in YYC. It'll be interesting to see what happens to 9M then
They're likely to feel pricing pressure and ultimately their yields on the flight will drop. It's a question of how much profit margin will exist when that happens. It wouldn't surprise me if WS at a later stage adds another flight from to YXJ from YEG. When that happens, I would imagine 9M will exit that market.
Flaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1115 posts, RR: 4 Reply 51, posted (3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3514 times:
I was pretty confident that Grand Prairie would be on that list. There never seems to be an empty seat on the AC Dash 8's but usually only a 50-60% load factor on the WS 737's. That is from my experience though, others may vary. Glad to see they are going with the 400 on both YYC and YEG too. Although I find YYC to a much nicer airport than YEG immigration at YYC can be a nightmare so I usually transfer at YEG.
Ha I thought I was the only one that did that. When I lived in the States I always went through YEG if I could. Have to say that it's much nicer now than last year this time.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21464 posts, RR: 24 Reply 53, posted (3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3092 times:
Quoting flyb (Reply 38): WestJet Encore begins operation from 24JUN13, and will be further expanded from 15AUG13, with a fleet of 78-seater Dash8-Q400 aircraft.
If the 78 seats is correct, that's one more row of seats than the Jazz Q400s which have 74 seats. How will the seat pitch compare? The SkyRegional Q400s operated for AC from YTZ have a very spacious 70-seat configuration, like Porter's.
Quoting tguman (Reply 42): So one of the Q400's is going to go from YYC-YXJ change flt # and fly YXJ-YVR-YYJ, remaing overnight then fly YYJ-YVR-YXJ change flt# and fly YXJ-YYC.
For the first 2 months starting in June when they seem to have only 2 Q400s, it looks like one operates YYJ-YVR-YXJ-YYC-YXE-YYC, and the other YYC-YCD-YYC-YXJ-YVR-YYJ, with one overnighting in YYC and the other in YYJ.
The aircraft that overnights in YYJ has a long rest of almost 4 hours in YYC before the round trip to YXE, and the other one that starts the day with YYC-YCD -YYC doesn't do anything before 11 AM. Assume they need the downtime for crew training for the additional aircraft arriving in August..
kiramakora From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 532 posts, RR: 0 Reply 55, posted (3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2978 times:
Quoting multimark (Reply 54):
Is Encore using the same dated livery as WS mainline?
Well they think their strong brand obviously is an advantage, and I like their livery.
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16): Well WS is giving a presentation about Encore at the ROUTES conference on Monday in CTG....
Were you at the presentation? It was electrifying. Their young network leader is tremendous and I think the audience appreciated what he had to say. I am surprised he has not been poached to a larger airline by now. This is an airline to watch for sure.
YVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2085 posts, RR: 0 Reply 58, posted (3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2649 times:
Quoting flyb (Reply 38): Vancouver – Victoria eff 24JUN13 NEW WestJet service
WS3103 YVR1925 – 1955YYJ DH4 D
WS3102 YYJ0715 – 0744YVR DH4 D (eff 25JUN13)
Well, this is pretty useless without a morning outbound departure if they really want to compete with AC. I assume a morning flight would be added asap with more a/c deliveries.
This has to be one of the busiest air routes in the world what with 8P, the ho operators getting in on the act and the floatplanes.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21464 posts, RR: 24 Reply 59, posted (3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2641 times:
Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 56): I wonder if Porter could start a satellite operation out west to soak up some western markets and then slowly connect its flights east.
Has any airline done this in NA without having a flight intertwine the other hub?
Many years ago (1940s/50s) CP operated a network within Quebec serving about 10 points that had no connection to the rest of the CP network. Those routes had been inherited from one of the dozen or so small carriers that were merged when Canadian Pacific Air Lines was formed in 1942. CP traded those Quebec routes to TCA in the mid-1950s in exchange for TCA's Toronto-Mexico City route which they wanted to get rid of. At the time of that transaction, TCA's only destination in Quebec was Montreal. That trade permitted CP to connect eastern Canada to their YVR-MEX-South America route.
For a couple of years the only way you could get from YYZ to YVR (CP's headquarters) on CP was via MEX as government-owned TCA had a monopoly on the transcontinental domestic routes. CP was finally permitted to operate a token one flight a day between YVR and YUL with stops at YWG and YYZ in 1958.
yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15989 posts, RR: 59 Reply 60, posted (3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2516 times:
Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 56): I wonder if Porter could start a satellite operation out west to soak up some western markets and then slowly connect its flights east.
Porter has mentioned (a couple of years ago) that expansion west to YWG was an option (presumably YTZ-YQT-YWG) but it has not been mentioned recently.
Air Ontario used to have a Dash 8-300 years ago "based" in YQT to operate YWG-YQT (at the time it was the only Air Ontario service to YQT and YWG) so periodically the Q300 was ferried to YYZ and rotated within the fleet. Their route network had this unusual YWG-YQT route off by itself. Jazz now regularly ferries Q300's between East and West.
Conceivably Porter could start a Western satellite operation separately from the rest of their network. Competition would be tough though with the entrenched AC and WS networks, and the relative unknown Porter brand out West. Porter has not taken a new Q400 since 2011 and has no more on order, and their network growth has thus stalled. Seems like they are working on revenue growth thru yield and LF improvements alone now, rather than fleet/destination expansion.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
Noise From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 1566 posts, RR: 5 Reply 61, posted (3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2386 times:
I would say keep Porter In Central and Eastern Canada for now. There are still plenty of places they don't fly to yet in the east, including YXU, YFC, YSJ, YYG, YYG and YKF. Once they've properly served central and eastern Canada then they can consider serving Manitoba westward.
WestJet in Summer 2013 season (from May 2013) is expanding operations to The Caribbean as well as Central America, with service to Liberia in Costa Rica and Port of Spain converting to year-round service. A number of Caribbean routes from Toronto will see additional flights added, compared to Summer 2012.
New Year-Round Routes:
Toronto – Liberia
WS2742 YYZ0910 – 1223LIR 73W 5
WS2743 LIR1315 – 2031YYZ 73W 5
Toronto – Port of Spain
WS2772 YYZ2325 – 0504+1POS 73W D
WS2773 POS0605 – 1149YYZ 73W D
Note in the airline’s press release, it stated Aruba will be converted to year-round, however this already went into effect since 2011.
Additional service increase:
Toronto – Cancun Service increases from 7 weekly to 8 weekly
Toronto – Kingston Service increases from 3 weekly to 4 weekly
Toronto – Montego Bay Service increases from 8 weekly to 10 weekly
Toronto – Puerto Plata Service increases from 1 weekly to 2 weekly
Toronto – St. Maarten Service increases from 1 weekly to 2 weekly
Toronto – Varadero Service increases from 2 weekly to 3 weekly
On separate note, Airline Route‘s report on 10FEB13 regarding WestJet and Encore’s Planned Summer 2013 season has been revised as of 1800GMT, which include following new route that was not included in the post when it first appeared, as well as daily e-mail summary:
Toronto – Fort McMurray eff 16JUN13 NEW 3 weekly service
WS309 YYZ2145 – 2344YMM 73W 147
WS308 YMM0100 – 0635YYZ 73W 125
us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
Quoting yyz717 (Reply 60): Competition would be tough though with the entrenched AC and WS networks, and the relative unknown Porter brand out West.
I don't think Porter would be able to compete out west, especially with Encore setting up shop. I would equate it to CMA trying it's hand in Ontario and Quebec. It would have to really stretch its fleet utilization and the marketing efforts just to get a little bit of awareness would be a hell of an uphill battle.
Quoting yyz717 (Reply 60): Porter has not taken a new Q400 since 2011 and has no more on order, and their network growth has thus stalled.
They were far too keen to eat up the rest of those slots at YTZ over the past 12 months. Don't they have less than 10 left?
Quoting Noise (Reply 61): There are still plenty of places they don't fly to yet in the east, including YXU, YFC, YSJ, YYG, YYG and YKF.
Of those, the only one I see as being viable is YYG.
I don't see YFC or YSJ working because I don't believe the market exists for more than one YTZ/YUL-New Brunswick route. I'm not sure where you would fly from YXU that isn't already served. In good weather you can get from YKF to YYZ in 45 minutes, so I can't see PD justifying entering that market.
flyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 630 posts, RR: 0 Reply 65, posted (3 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2022 times:
I do wonder how CMA is going to respond to this. Right now if you don't know about them, they are "hard" to book with since you actually have to go to their website. Hopefully that changes. They are easy to fly with since they work so closely with Air Canada.
9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1342 posts, RR: 0 Reply 66, posted (3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1960 times:
Quoting yxu737 (Reply 64): Porter would like to fly into YXU but the airport authority isn't willing to give into what they want (no ramp fees, advertising money).
I'm sure they'll cut a deal eventually. Jazz is closing it's YXU maintenance facility this summer and the hangar may be of interest to Porter. Does the hangar have some history related to Mr Deluce?
brilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 3168 posts, RR: 1 Reply 67, posted (3 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1843 times:
Quoting yxu737 (Reply 64): Porter would like to fly into YXU but the airport authority isn't willing to give into what they want (no ramp fees, advertising money).
There has to be more to YXU then that, although I have heard that too. They have lost service to DTW, supposedly because of low yields and AC claiming they could not make any money as well on their YYC run. I always have wondered why YXU has never had much interest from other airlines and destinations.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21464 posts, RR: 24 Reply 68, posted (3 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1814 times:
Quoting brilondon (Reply 67): I always have wondered why YXU has never had much interest from other airlines and destinations.
That's often a problem for airports like YXU that are so close to a much larger airport served by dozens of carriers and hundreds of daily flights. It's hard to offer a competitive schedule and network from the smaller airport when you're within a 2-hour drive of an airport with a much wider choice of flights and destinations and probably lower fares due to all the competition.
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3854 posts, RR: 13 Reply 69, posted (3 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1782 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 59): Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 56):
I wonder if Porter could start a satellite operation out west to soak up some western markets and then slowly connect its flights east.
Has any airline done this in NA without having a flight intertwine the other hub?
Many years ago (1940s/50s) CP operated a network within Quebec serving about 10 points that had no connection to the rest of the CP network. Those routes had been inherited from one of the dozen or so small carriers that were merged when Canadian Pacific Air Lines was formed in 1942. CP traded those Quebec routes to TCA in the mid-1950s in exchange for TCA's Toronto-Mexico City route which they wanted to get rid of. At the time of that transaction, TCA's only destination in Quebec was Montreal. That trade permitted CP to connect eastern Canada to their YVR-MEX-South America route.
Also Pacific Western back in the day. There were separate Alberta and Coastal divisions, with no connection between the two. Coastal also operated to a couple of spots in the Yukon, IIRC. But I might be incorrect about that.
yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15989 posts, RR: 59 Reply 70, posted (3 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1688 times:
The start of MYR seems to coincide with the seasonal end of Porter YTZ-MYR service.
Quoting yxu737 (Reply 64): Porter would like to fly into YXU but the airport authority isn't willing to give into what they want (no ramp fees, advertising money).
Quoting brilondon (Reply 67): There has to be more to YXU then that, although I have heard that too. They have lost service to DTW, supposedly because of low yields and AC claiming they could not make any money as well on their YYC run. I always have wondered why YXU has never had much interest from other airlines and destinations.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 68): That's often a problem for airports like YXU that are so close to a much larger airport served by dozens of carriers and hundreds of daily flights.
YXU is caught between a rock and a hard place (DTW and YYZ). Both offer too many flight options and a short drive. Although, UA remains at YXU. Citi Express and Air Ontario both flew YTZ-YXU, so perhaps we will see Porter on the route also. YKF as mentioned is too close to YTZ. YYB (North Bay) might be an expansion option for Porter. When YTZ gets pre-clearance, then we will likely see Porter expand further.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
Noise From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 1566 posts, RR: 5 Reply 71, posted (3 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1610 times:
Quoting brilondon (Reply 67): There has to be more to YXU then that, although I have heard that too. They have lost service to DTW, supposedly because of low yields and AC claiming they could not make any money as well on their YYC run. I always have wondered why YXU has never had much interest from other airlines and destinations.
Looking at the stats provided by Statistic Canada on their website, YXU-NYC marketing is roughly 8K pax per year. Not much, yet it's one of their larger US markets. I think the UA YXU-ORD is perfectly fine...and DL on YXU-LGA/JFK could maybe work too, but that's it. For now, YXU can hope for what happened to YEG a few years ago (2006?) when passengers suddenly realized the convenience of flying out of Edmonton instead of driving down to Calgary to catch a flight...hence the reason why we saw consecutive years of double digit-growth at YEG during the mid-2000s. With that growth came an increase in service, and YEG has become the airport of choice for Edmontonians.
Until residents of London start using their little, convenient airport, things will remain the same.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21464 posts, RR: 24 Reply 72, posted (3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1429 times:
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 69): Also Pacific Western back in the day. There were separate Alberta and Coastal divisions, with no connection between the two. Coastal also operated to a couple of spots in the Yukon, IIRC. But I might be incorrect about that.
One mid-1950s timetable shows YXY as a "charter base". I don't think PWA ever had scheduled service to the Yukon.
I remember when PWA finally connected the coastal services to the rest of their network in 1968 when CP transferred their southern B.C. routes and a few other B.C.points to PWA as part of the deal that gave CP somewhat increased access to the transcon route. Those ex-CP routes included the milk-run YVR-YLW/YYF-YCG-YXC-YYC which for years was CP's only service to YYC (once a day) apart from a couple of YVR-AMS flights that stopped in YYC.
PW also started YVR-YKA-YYC-YXD with their first 737-200 in December 1968. They were the first Canadian carrier to order the 737 but CP was the first to put it into service about 2 months before PW.
yxu737 From Canada, joined Jan 2012, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 73, posted (3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1272 times:
I think eventually porter will cut a deal but those are things they are looking for right now in order for them to come to YXU and as far as the hangar the only two I have heard is bombardier as a final completion centre and the other is fanshawe college and sault college starting maintenance program there.
drgmobile From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 493 posts, RR: 0 Reply 74, posted (3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1030 times:
So much interest in speculating, but not a word on the actual announcement! The Encore unit will start service with flights to Fort Saint John from Calgary and Vancouver, Nanaimo from Calgary, and will connect Victoria and Vancouver.
kiramakora From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 532 posts, RR: 0 Reply 79, posted (3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 857 times:
This is some of what the article says. I have cut it because of rules here.
"WestJet's new regional subsidiary Encore will begin evaluating service to eastern Canada nine months after launching flights this June. Arik De, manager of network planning at Calgary-based WestJet, says that there is not a timeline for beginning service in eastern Canada beyond when it will begin evaluating opportunities in the region, at the Routes Americas 2013 forum in Cartagena today. Encore aircraft could be based in either Toronto or Montreal he says, adding that they the carrier sees significant opportunities in Quebec.
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"Anything within range of the Q400 is possible," says De.
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De says again that any destination within range of the Q400 is "fair game". He includes Boston, Philadelphia, Seattle and Washington DC in a list of potential destinations in the USA that Encore could serve in the future."
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