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No Kids Allowed In Upper Decks On A380 And 747s?  
User currently offlinedoulasc From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 579 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21983 times:

I heard some airlines have a no kid policy in their upper decks on A380 and 747s.which airlines are doing this?
Where do they draw the line on age? Whats the reasoning behind this?

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21967 times:

I believe MH has this policy too.


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User currently onlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1029 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21972 times:
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What's the reasoning behind this?

I don't think business people want a screaming child seating next to them. That noise might music to parents' ears, but its pure torture to mine..

Kudos to whichever airlines are doing this


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31420 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21852 times:
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Malaysia Airlines does not allow children under 12 to be seated in the upper deck Economy section of the A380-800 unless the main deck is full and they can only be accommodated in the upper deck. Malaysia Airlines also does not allow infants to be seated in the First Class cabin of their 747-400 aircraft.

AirAsia X has also banned children under 12 from the first seven rows on flights to China, Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Australia and Nepal. This forward section is separated from the rest of the plane with curtains and lavatories, so not sure how effective it will be unless the kids are parked in the aft of the plane.


User currently offlinegoldenargosy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21835 times:

Looking forward to knowing which airlines do this. I will go out of my way to fly with them.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21805 times:

Can I have a "no obnoxious drunks allowed" section on my flights? I have many more problems with poorly behaved adults than with poorly behaved children.


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User currently offlinedfambro From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21781 times:

UA will probably implement it with the 747s after what my toddler did during our last trip to Hong Kong...
        


User currently offlinereffado From Brazil, joined Feb 2012, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21537 times:

While it makes sense, it may cause trouble. I agree that screaming infants are far from being a delight, but banning paying passengers from traveling with their kids in forward cabins seems a bit too much. What if I have a kid and want to fly F? I can't? That's just stupid. I say that because my first flight was when I was 2 - in the F cabin on the upper deck of an RG 747. My parents received no complaints. Because in Y there was not enough space and the whole family would be cramped, the wider seats were a need. I mean, if passengers want to upgrade, sure, it's a reason to deny them, but if they're paying, I can't see the logic.

[Edited 2013-02-07 13:35:54]

User currently offlinebond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5454 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21431 times:

Quoting reffado (Reply 8):
What if I have a kid and want to fly F? I can't? That's just stupid. I say that because my first flight was when I was 2 - in the F cabin

I'm sure many F fare paying pax would be very upset (as I would be), having paid a very high premium, only to end up next to a screaming 2 year old for the whole flight.

When you say "if they're paying...", you must remember the other pax without children who are also paying. Often those who complain about their 'rights', forget about the 'rights' of all the others  


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User currently offlinereffado From Brazil, joined Feb 2012, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 21348 times:

On the various flights I've been in, I've seen both, very calm (most of the times) and very annoying kids. The problem as I see it is the parents not controlling their children. That said, toddlers I may see the point, but for general young kids (9-12 or so), I would rather seat beside them than beside some fat person, or a lousy smelly adult, which I have seen several times.

However, I do understand what you said, and seeing it that way, it does make sense. But, at least here, I can't see someone showing up with say, $5000 for an F ticket for their kid and the airline saying they won't take it.


User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2860 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 21077 times:

Could it possibly be from a safety standpoint? The emergency slides etc?

Just a thought.



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User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3442 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20904 times:

Quoting reffado (Reply 10):
However, I do understand what you said, and seeing it that way, it does make sense. But, at least here, I can't see someone showing up with say, $5000 for an F ticket for their kid and the airline saying they won't take it.

They'll just have to slum it in J.



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User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20904 times:
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
Can I have a "no obnoxious drunks allowed" section on my flights? I have many more problems with poorly behaved adults than with poorly behaved children.

Agreed. I have seen to many times drunk J & F pax who behave threateningly and obnoxiously to the point they have the attention of the full cabin.

Quoting reffado (Reply 10):
The problem as I see it is the parents not controlling their children

Agreed also. My 7 year old daughter is travelling with her mother in F on Monday and understands that she has to behave well and be considerate of other pax.

BTW she's the same on U2 etc there seems to be an implication that we're talking premium cabins here.

I have seen families who seem to think that airplanes are extensions of the soft-play and the crew are there to entertain them whilst they sit back and relax. It really annoys me as a parent.

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20864 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
Can I have a "no obnoxious drunks allowed" section on my flights? I have many more problems with poorly behaved adults than with poorly behaved children.

Totally agree. I've been on far more flights where adults were much more annoying than children or infants.


User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 20607 times:

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
I heard some airlines have a no kid policy in their upper decks on A380 and 747s.which airlines are doing this?
Where do they draw the line on age? Whats the reasoning behind this?

I've just checked the SQ and LH websites for information about traveling in premium classes with children -- no posted prohibition that I could find. Yet there is a sense among fliers, expressed in the posts above, that children below a certain age -- say, six or eight -- should not be in J or F, for the comfort of the adults in those cabins.

It really comes down to good parenting -- if your whelp is poorly behaved, fly coach, or drive. Societal or peer pressure can enforce this.

But you specified the "upper decks", not upper classes. During an evacuation situation, would children be more at risk for injury by using the upper deck slides than the lower deck ones? I tend to think not, as kids, with their flexible bodies and "this is fun!" attitude, would probably do better on the higher slides than grown-ups. Infants, however, could pop out of their parents' arms or otherwise encumber the evacuation...

These issues surely were investigated during aircraft certification, and I'm not aware of any official regulatory prohibition of children upstairs.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 20350 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 15):
It really comes down to good parenting -- if your whelp is poorly behaved, fly coach, or drive. Societal or peer pressure can enforce this.

Anybody who thinks that a child's behavior is 100 percent correlated to parenting quality needs to spend more time with children. Good parents can get their children to behave more often than bad parents can, but even the best-raised children have occasional bad days (and, conversely, even children with the worst parents sometimes behave).



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 20179 times:

Quoting reffado (Reply 8):
What if I have a kid and want to fly F?

Fly a different airline or start your own.

Kudos to this policy, I think all airlines should have a screaming kid section. Nothing aggravates me more than listening to a screaming kid for hours



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User currently offlinenrt1011 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 20075 times:

Stick them all in the back row next to the toilets, the kids that is

User currently offlinekann123air From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 19885 times:

Quoting bond007 (Reply 9):
Often those who complain about their 'rights', forget about the 'rights' of all the others

Perfect way to say it!!



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 19830 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
Can I have a "no obnoxious drunks allowed" section on my flights? I have many more problems with poorly behaved adults than with poorly behaved children.

Agreed. I've had to endure chatty people in the aisles and drunkards blathering loudly much more than kids



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User currently offlineqantasguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 19006 times:

This has come up several times before. I agree with the "Kid Free" section. So many times, especially on flights in and out of Orlando, Orange County and even SLC -there have been so many disruptive children that it is impossible to relax, concentrate or sleep. Perhaps, instead of positioning children all throughout the cabin, the last few rows could be reserved for "Families". Often other families are "Immune" to the squeals, screams and other VERY annoying sounds and behaviors of other children and are not bothered in the least......as for me - there are few things I hate more than being disturbed by a high pitched, blood curdling screech in the middle of a flight while hurtling 600mph in a tube you can't escape from. You have to sit there and bare it and, while your ears bleed, and head splits wide open you wonder why someone else who has executive authority over an airline hasn't figured out that "Adult Flights" would really be quite profitable. I'd pay a higher price for guaranteed peace. In my line of work, it is often the only time I get to actually sleep and I get super annoyed when it's all through the cabin. There is often a chain reaction from one child to another, to another. You can see it coming. Southwest has the right idea, board the children early, or better still in the first 15....then we can avoid them. Better still, they should board them and advise them the back, or front 3 rows are reserved for them and to all sit there. That puts maximum distance between them and the majority of us who wish to be far, far away. It is not unreasonable to want this. When you are at a fine restaurant, and want to enjoy a quiet evening - this is to be expected, a commercial flight should be no different - especially if it is marketed this way. I say bring on the noise ordinance.....


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User currently offlineshankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 18026 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
Can I have a "no obnoxious drunks allowed" section on my flights


Agree. My last two flights with BA (LHR-CPT-LHR) were delayed whilst adults were removed for being drunk and aggressive to staff...on my LHR-CPT flight it was a pax from 1st who was ejected by a couple of chaps in yellow jackets and on the return a couple of lads from the rear who had apparently turned out have had a too few many Castles

The Captain advised us on the LHR-CPT flight "that one of our passengers has decided not to travel with us tonight....."!

The crew were very amused and chatted about how this chap had literally thrown his toys out of the pram (or probably his BA pyjamas) from the moment he had stepped on. My 7 year old son sat quietly and contently for 12 hours both ways

I can appreciate the market for a quiet cabin, but how far down the line does one go within such a cabin....no groups of lads or lasses, separate business passengers so we don't get to hear how great they are, no alcohol served, certainly no irritating lap top activity, no "chatty" people?

If some muppets are prepared to pay an extra few quid to sit in front of a curtain in a cabin environment which is generally 80dB, then good luck to the airlines



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User currently offlineJalap From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 17041 times:

Quoting bond007 (Reply 8):
I'm sure many F fare paying pax would be very upset (as I would be), having paid a very high premium, only to end up next to a screaming 2 year old for the whole flight.

When you say "if they're paying...", you must remember the other pax without children who are also paying. Often those who complain about their 'rights', forget about the 'rights' of all the others

I'm sure economy pax would also be upset to end up close to a screaming 2 year old for the whole flight. And 1 kid can annoy far more people in economy than in first. But they didn't pay the premium, does that mean they don't have those 'rights'?


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12887 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 16761 times:
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Quoting bond007 (Reply 8):
you must remember the other pax without children who are also paying. Often those who complain about their 'rights', forget about the 'rights' of all the others

Where in the terms and conditions of your ticket does it say you have the right to experience a child-free flight?

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 16):
Fly a different airline or start your own.

Mature.

Quoting kann123air (Reply 18):
Perfect way to say it!!

Kids are part of life. Infants scream because it the only way they can express their discomfort at being in a noisy, alien environment with earache. Do try to get over it.



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User currently offlineDufo From Slovenia, joined May 1999, 810 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 16596 times:

What is the point of travelling with infants anyway?
I understand if you're moving to live somewhere but to take them on a visit or vacation when they're that young? Couldn't you give them to relatives for those few days?

I have seen to many 'do not give a crap' attitude of parents who did nothing to comfort the disturbed child.



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25 Quokkas : What's all this talk of "rights"? The only right that you have is the reasonable expectation to be carried from point A to point B as ticketed. Nowher
26 bond007 : The same place where it says children have a right to sit in anywhere on the aircraft. Nobody here disagrees with that, but there is nothing to 'get
27 aerdingus : You said it pal! Everyone had rights, no matter what cabin they´re travelling in. Of course those in F & J have more entitlements, but that´s s
28 Post contains images fraspotter : Children are not pets...
29 Cubsrule : Where I'm struggling is with the broad brush with which this policy paints children (as opposed to disruptive children). I've had some lovely flights
30 bond007 : Agreed, but the drunk should never have been allowed to board .... but that would be a whole thread by itself! Unfortunately the best of children, wo
31 brilondon : No, they still have to have the safety slides on the main deck. I have seen that before, the drunk thing in F, and the Captain came and escorted the
32 discovery1 : The best idea I've heard is to create a special area for pax with young children, probably toward the back, and then have the pax sitting near said a
33 rufusisgod : It's due to the slide height off the ground not being suitable for children under 12. More chance of them being injured.
34 enginebird : It is also not a good idea to express an opinion, if you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Our son had more than 30 legs under his
35 Post contains images neutrino : What if a sober pax board and turned into a drunk somewhere in the midst of a long flight? Strap him onto a parachute and forcibly eject him in midai
36 georgiaame : I'll take the drunk over the out of control kid any day. But that said, I'll pay a premium to avoid either. Many has been the time Delta has graced m
37 fanofjets : OK, I am in the minority here. Then, again, I am used to having an opinion that differs from that of the manority. So, I'll just state my case; people
38 CalebWilliams : Clearly true. I had great parents, but sometimes when I was younger, it would have been quite bad to be with me on a plane on some days (5 through 12
39 seabosdca : Who is talking about banning children from planes? We are talking about a child-free section. I would gladly pay more to sit in such a section, altho
40 enginebird : If you were not talking about banning kids from planes, then you were not among the intended addressees of my comment. Some people above, however, su
41 greg3322 : So, you basically want kids to sit in "the back of the bus?" I thought we got over that kind of thinking in the U.S. years ago. Guess not.
42 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Children should be banned completely! All adult travelers were *angels* when they were kids and never caused any problems whatsoever And they're alway
43 DeltaMD90 : I'm for real, I don't see why people feel entitled to twist businesses to do what they want. If he wants a kid in F, fly a different airline. If I wa
44 Post contains images FlyingSicilian : No, we should ban the handicapped too, and maybe have a homosexual free section, and maybe a bathed and unbathed section. We could board and sit by r
45 falstaff : Same here. I flew F several times on TW L1011s as a child and I sat in my seat and colored. I remember FAs being friendly and even doing card and mag
46 richierich : Seriously? That has to be one of the most naive and stupid comments I have read in quite a long time. This is a different problem entirely. Unfortuna
47 seabosdca : If only it were that simple. Noise cancelling headsets, by drowning out the background noise, actually make a screaming infant sound louder. Yes, inf
48 boeing773ER : I could really make an argument for both sides here, I feel there should be a "child-free" zone on most longhaul. I could really see the market for th
49 brilondon : This is not practical as most places are have only one airline flying to a particular destination. You may have to spend 1000's of dollars to fly a d
50 lightsaber : Tell me which airlines ban kids. I earn FF miles to fly them on vacation. Knowing they're banned tells me which airlines aren't worth acquiring FF mil
51 scbriml : Unless the airline specifically has a no kids in first policy, then my kids will sit wherever I pay for them to sit. You have a choice. Maybe because
52 WildcatYXU : That would make more sense than a childfree section. Errr, no. It's just a different way of life. Calling people stupid because of their different ha
53 toobz : It would never happen in the States. It would be discrimanation. Notice what regions these airlines that are doing this are from. I for one would love
54 Viscount724 : Many cruise ships and restaurants ban children below a certain age. Why should airlines be treated differently?
55 Quokkas : Hearing screaming kids can be unpleasant but they and their parents have as much right to travel as any other person. It is a shame that people are so
56 bond007 : Wow, some of us don't like screaming kids .... in fact probably most of us, and I have 2 of them, and now we're into gays, hate, banning children, an
57 railker : I think WestJet was onto something with last years' April Fools video ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4SkoJy3D0M[Edited 2013-02-08 17:38:40]
58 greg3322 : I would support that one!
59 Mir : Except that a flight with no children is not guaranteed peace. Adults are perfectly capable of causing just as much disruption as a child. The econom
60 Post contains links and images deepunderground : SQ certainly don't ban kids upstairs on A380. Living overseas, I constantly drag my little ones all over Asia in J (and Y sometimes too). Typically th
61 mesaflyguy : Okay, so I see you don't deal with children on a regular basis. 75% of children who fly are angels from my experience. Also, do you know how much wor
62 cha747 : Hmmmm... so screaming kids bother you in J or F? I think if you can afford to be in J or F, you can afford noise canceling headphones. My kids have fl
63 toobz : Lol nobody is saying you can't! We are just saying its nice to have an option. Just because you chose to have kids doesn't mean everybody needs to lov
64 longhauler : As noted above, noise canceling headphones actually enhance the sound of a baby crying! What one needs is a baby/drunk canceling headphone. It sounde
65 sweair : For trunk routes maybe child flights and childless flights? I too have a hard time sitting next to a screaming child for 10 hours or more, getting my
66 enginebird : As we all know: Everything was better in the good old days and parents today just are not what they used to be. Forum rules do not allow my to tell y
67 sweair : Maybe you don't live in Sweden? Here people worship children, they can do no wrong and if you dare telling a kid to knock it off you are almost banis
68 Skydrol : And this is the difference between responsible, considerate parents like you, and ignorant idiots. ✈ LD4 ✈
69 Post contains images enginebird : To be honest, it does not bug me at all. Probably not half as much as kids seem to bug you The explanation is directly related to this topic: Few air
70 sweair : No it´s your frustration that shows, air lines catering towards people who would prefer to travel in a quiet cabin. Why is that even outrageous? Mor
71 vegas005 : Just flew LH A380 from Houston and I was in the back of the upper deck business class (great service btw). The flight attendant and I were laughing be
72 MaverickM11 : The airline has no obligation, nor ability, to screen passengers for annoying habits. It's just a part of life, and adults need to be adults and lear
73 enginebird : We should not hijack this thread with a private conversation and since -- additionally -- your post does not make any sense to me, I will refrain fro
74 Post contains images bond007 : OK, then start a new thread about those. This thread is about screaming children. It can quite easily ban children from rows 1-6, just as easy as it
75 Post contains images SCQ83 : I don't have anything about flying among children or babies (at least if they have been minimally educated). A baby crying or a small kid playing is q
76 KiwiRob : I think the annoying little yapping mutt in the Louis Vuitton carry case is far worse than any child, it's usually the folks in first and business wh
77 greenjet : Believe me, it is not music to parents' ears. It's actually a very stressful situation for the parent, particularly on an overnight long-haul flight
78 Post contains images lightsaber : I just realized something... Half the people I know who *pay* for international first travel with their children. (From stundmen to CEOs. If airlines
79 Post contains images enginebird : Thank you! Exactly what I said in a post yesterday. As soon as I know an airline has a non-friendly policy concerning kids, they lose my leisure and
80 Pellegrine : This thread reminds me how nasty human beings can be. Humanity really disappoints me at times. Awwwwwwwww OMG how cute. I can't wait until I have kids
81 cha747 : Amen...this thread should be locked at some point soon. No point in complaining about first world problems.
82 sweair : Will you teach your future children to totally disrespect others? The world does not revolve around you, yeah what a surprise. IF some airlines would
83 toobz : Why are people so sensitive about this? Is it really that awful that one or two airlines don't allow children in the front cabins? lol don't fly them.
84 longhauler : I tend to agree, yet this topic seems to garner a lot of emotion. Like the obese passenger discussion that crops up from time to time. An airline has
85 Post contains images readytotaxi : Okay, how about this idea. " XYZ Airlines policy on the carriage of children. This airline will not board any child under 12yrs old on all flights tha
86 longhauler : Or when United Airlines had "Men-only" flights. It was stated as such in timetables and advertising. A marketing decision, if one didn't like it, I a
87 bond007 : So you must understand how some folks might want an area on an aircraft where they can pay a premium and not be subject to that! Not sure how we got
88 sweair : Its really not so radical, a tiny space of all the space on a large aircraft dedicated for adults willing to pay for peace and quiet. How this can pro
89 mjoelnir : I do not understand why banning children would be a marketing decision and banning obese people or black or redheads or old or whatever would be a dis
90 Post contains images UALWN : Right, so let's have white-only flights: no blacks, no Indians and, of course, no arabs. If you don't like it, hey choose another airline!
91 longhauler : Well, whether one thinks it was right or wrong, it IS what United did. And that was one's only choice if not a man ... take another flight. They were
92 enginebird : Good thing is: I do have the choice between several airlines/alliances on most of my longer trips. Airlines will certainly not go out of business bec
93 bond007 : Yes, and I can absolutely guarantee that those airlines welcoming babies will see a decrease in other passengers....everyone will be happy! Jimbo
94 toobz : UALWN...that's being excessive. Nobody is suggesting that but yourself. When you go to a bar in the US, do they ban children and blacks and gays and I
95 sweair : Freaking nuts, a small part of the cabin does not equal the whole flight. Very few airlines would be able to fill a flight if they had a child ban. Wh
96 UALWN : Well, somebody brought up men-only flights. How is this different? Uh? That's done in order to protect children. Children are not allowed to work eit
97 bond007 : Please let's stop this 'discriminating' argument. You can't sit in some preferred seats unless you are an elite FF - maybe you can't sit in some seat
98 UALWN : What about an elite FF who is 11 years old? If anybody can achieve FF status (by flying a lot, having a certain credit card, etc.) of course it's not
99 DarkSnowyNight : That is great. But I'm curious, did they make you all put a belt over that baby? I can see where it would be effective for some motions, but actually
100 Post contains links Viscount724 : Because the UA "Men Only Executive Flights" between Chicago and New York would never be permitted today. A lot has changed since those days. On some
101 sweair : People get emotional and rational thinking goes bye bye, it is useless to explain anything more in this thread. I see no problem with childfree sectio
102 bond007 : Nobody is discussing treating your kids poorly. if it's not discriminatory to restrict seats to those with a certain status, or a certain credit card
103 DarkSnowyNight : Gotta read all the way back to the post I referenced. In any case, discrimination is always poor treatment in my book.
104 UALWN : Neither would the white-only flights I was discussing. Anybody can fly a certain amount of miles and have status, regardless of age. But people aged
105 toobz : I take back what I said earlier about some kids stressing me out. I think some adults have proven to be even more annoying. After thinking about this,
106 rwy04lga : THREE TIMES??? It's QUIET, not quite! Have mom proofread. For me at least, An airplane is MORE than simply a mode of transport, I met a DL passenger
107 falstaff : That is uncalled for. What do you care if my spelling sucks? This is an online forum, not a graduate class. I am sure there are other spelling errors
108 777way : Saftey related only as bassinet cannot be fixed to whatever new changes they have made on 747 F class.
109 Quokkas : Good to see a post on topic and not a rant. Well done Sir. People like to throw the word discrimination about. But what is discrimination? Is it alwa
110 Post contains images BasilFawlty : Can't agree more. Best post in this whole thread! Well, there's not much difference in my view. They don't listen, they make noise, they smell, they'
111 rwy04lga : Oh, all over the place, but not the same error three times in one post. It should be noted that one of the rules is to 'Check your spelling!'. It sho
112 greenjet : That's one of the most idiotic things I've read here. And that's saying something. Thanks, again I appreciate your valued input. I expected better of
113 UALWN : For their safety. For the safety of the children. Because, unlike in the other examples, there's no reason to do it. I'll ask again: would banning pe
114 Post contains images BasilFawlty : Why? It's much easier for adults (well, except very elderly disabled adults ofcourse) to travel then it is for families with small children. You're w
115 Post contains images Quokkas : For the convenience of other passengers, maybe. You know, they can be a bit slow, they can get confused about where their seats are, holding others u
116 MaverickM11 : Yes. A million times yes.
117 mesaflyguy : I don't want to sound like a jerk, but you sound very uneducated right now. There are many children that I know that are very well-behaved, quiet, an
118 UALWN : Yes, it is. Say for the convenience of other passengers, as pointed out in reply #115. Exactly my point.
119 enginebird : I am not sure that the misspelling of one word is much worse than your obvious problem to build a grammtical sentence. What would you say now, if I t
120 ekgold : Get over yourselves i say.... if you are sitting in F/J you have your noise canceling headphones and if the child is traveling with the adult, then it
121 Post contains images DarkSnowyNight : Not mine. Why mine's so perfect 100% of the time that I can't even hear your post over the sound of how infallibly perfect my perfectly perfect spell
122 Post contains images readytotaxi : I gotta post this one again.
123 falstaff : That would be extremely expensive. Back when I was a wee lad, flying on TW 707s and L1011s. It would have been way too expensive for mom and dad to p
124 richierich : The comment read that traveling with children should be banned and 'infants shouldnt travel' anyway, because they are too young to get anything out o
125 Post contains links and images Skydrol : Give all kids a fair chance to enjoy the thrill of flight as well. But If they scream, cry, kick the seat in front of them, or become a nuisance, this
126 sweair : Again, a small section of a large air craft, why is that so wrong? Say 5 or 6 rows. Come on people stop being drama queens. However I think there are
127 Post contains images Maersk737 : Why don't we just accept it.... Kids are here to stay Like the NW DC 9, And the dirty airplanes of Air France Cheers Peter
128 richierich : I'm fine with that, if carriers want to do that. But when some posters come on here and insinuate that children/infants should not travel, that's whe
129 Post contains images bond007 : ...and I say the same thing Then get over the fact that some of us want to restrict children from it, especially since you think it's unlikely to hap
130 scbriml : How does that work when the screaming infant is in row 7? I just don't see it working. A bit like being on a non-smoking table in a restaurant when t
131 bond007 : I'd still rather the smoker be on another table than sitting next to me! Jimbo
132 tsugambler : First of all, this thread is not about banning children from flying, It's not about banning children from F (as some seem to think). It's not about ho
133 N867DA : I have no problem with screaming kids on planes. I consider it a part of travel and such small inconveniences are simply a part of life. However, some
134 CanadianDC10 : Wow, talk about pretentious and condescending. I don't think ANY person wants a screaming child sitting next to them. A 'business' person shouldn't t
135 YYCSpotter : Honestly, people can't tell whether a child/infant will be a nuisance until they actually are one. I remember flying with my family when I was like 8,
136 toobz : This thread is like a vicious traffic accident. I can't help but pop in and cover my eyes and take a peak every now and then. This thread is about, po
137 UALWN : So if that airline decides to forbid blacks (or Jews) from the upper deck, will that be OK too? Just take another airline if you don't like it? It's
138 dfambro : While you can do (almost) whatever you want in your own private plane, but once you start selling tickets to the general public you are held to a hig
139 enginebird : [quote=tsugambler,reply=132]Oh, I suppose it might be a right if your government has its own airline, supported by taxpayer money, and you want to fly
140 Post contains images AA94 : I agree, but just because I sit further back in the plane doesn't mean I have any less "rights" when it comes to sitting next to children. As a 17 ye
141 Post contains images scbriml : Well, by definition, a smoker on the next table is sat next to you. *shrug* So you'd be OK in row 5 of your kid-free zone and have the screaming infa
142 neutrino : Starting this month AirAsiaX have a "quiet zone" from row 7 to 14 where "guests who are travelling with infant or children under 12 will not be eligib
143 Pellegrine : I have a critical disagreement with you insinuating that I am a perfect example of how nasty humans can be. I am not. You have misinterpreted my post
144 deepunderground : The baby was required (obviously) to turn into a lap child with the infant harness whenever the seatbelt sign was on.
145 SKAirbus : The A380 is a huge aircraft so I think that it is perfectly reasonable to put aside as section of the Y cabin for passengers travelling without childr
146 deepunderground : Actually, has a lot more to do with that not really being unacceptable to most south east Asian people.
147 bond007 : That's not what we are discussing .. simply children. BTW I am currently staying in a hotel that has a 'Women Only' floor ! Well, whatever you call t
148 UALWN : How is that any different? Once you start, why stop at children?
149 mesaflyguy : .. even have a buffer zone after F class for a couple of rows that do not allow them. Sooo.. Create a bigger children-free zone.
150 bond007 : Wow, because that is the discussion. It's about noisy kids. I'm totally amazed how a discussion about noisy children, and restricting them from part
151 mjoelnir : That was exactly what was said about blacks in your country around 1950: just blacks keep them in the end of the bus. The persons doing the discrimin
152 Cubsrule : What's the difference? In both cases, we are telling people who have some attribute they can't control (age or race) that they can't sit in certain s
153 bond007 : Yes, and we did. What's your point? We didn't then send Jewish people to the back of the bus, and the next year send fat people back there! I fail to
154 toobz : Cubs...because by law its not discrimination. thats why. Every other example UAL brought up is.
155 Cubsrule : Lots of things that are bad ideas are legal. Adultery might be a good example. Some might say that some things that are not legal are nonetheless goo
156 toobz : I got u. Sure. But its not like every airline is doing this. Its just..like what one or two maybe?? People can still bring their kids with them on 99%
157 Cubsrule : It's silly. On most flights with problem passengers, kids aren't the problem.
158 toobz : I dont think we disagree much. Most problem makers are adults! But as explained..MH reason for this isnt because they find kids problemsome..well at l
159 AA94 : Nowhere in your ticket does it say that buying up to a premium class means that you should not have to sit next to a child. "Rights" and "privileges"
160 infinit : Oh they're adorable!
161 777way : Why are you trying to twist the story, MH allow kids in F class but not infants that need a bassinet, kids and infants can travel on MH J class with
162 bond007 : ???? Of course my ticket doesn't say that, neither do I expect it. I'd like that to be the case, and others don't ... and that is what we are discuss
163 toobz : 777 I'm not twisting anything. I used the word kid..sorry. I will use the word infant next time. And speaking of twisting, I think you are the one mak
164 777way : No you clearly seemed to hint MH were barring all children from F and J and that Malaysian society might be to blame for this. What do you mean WTF, I
165 777ER : This thread has gone way off topic now and has basically turned into a discrimination discussion. Deleting replys would have gutted the thread and req
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