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AA/US Merger Impact: Fleet  
User currently offlineModerators From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 509 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 31566 times:
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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1870 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 31362 times:

In my opinion, the biggest impact on the merged fleet would be retirement of US oldest airframes, as well as the cancellation of their A350XWB order.

Now that AA's 787 order is firmed up, it would make no sense whatsoever to hold onto these airplanes.



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 31269 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 1):

In my opinion, the biggest impact on the merged fleet would be retirement of US oldest airframes, as well as the cancellation of their A350XWB order.

Now that AA's 787 order is firmed up, it would make no sense whatsoever to hold onto these airplanes.

Many airlines are ordering the 788 as well as A359/A3510, as there is some size difference. I could see some of US order being converted to more A359's, and I'd think that would work well for AA/US.

The thing that I could see stop that are the 77W's. Perhaps, AA/US will feel the A359 would be coming to soon due to the new 777's in the fleet.

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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 31192 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 1):
Now that AA's 787 order is firmed up, it would make no sense whatsoever to hold onto these airplanes.

The A350 is as much a 777 competitor as it is to the 787. Maybe they defer the order, but A350s would make good 772 replacements by the end of the decade.

What I hope for is that a merger might raise the small chance of a future VLA order, not knowing too much of the route structure, on long trunk routes that could make sense.


User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 31161 times:

US is not in bankruptcy - so A350 cancellation would be expensive.

User currently onlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3374 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 31023 times:

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 4):
US is not in bankruptcy - so A350 cancellation would be expensive.

Yes it is strange that AA is to the partner that's gone bust but they seem to be making the dramatic announcements fleet, new livery etc.

As for the A350 order in particular - the firming of the 737 and A320neo orders yesterday says to me that they won't have an issue with split fleet in the future but I wonder if they will be swapped to the A350-1000 to spread the capacity upwards from the 788.

A VLA could be brilliant - just like the thought of an A380 in the new AA colours 


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 30860 times:

US A330s to JFK and MIA, AA 763s to PHL.


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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12390 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 30588 times:
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Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 1):
it would make no sense whatsoever to hold onto these airplanes

Tell that to the ever increasing number of airlines that have purchased 787s and A350s.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11420 posts, RR: 61
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 30479 times:

Since we're treating this as if it's already happened, my predictions on the fleet...

777: AA 772s reconfigured in previously-announced higher-density J/MCE/Y layout and find their way onto legacy-US routes such as PHL/CLT-LHR and legacy-AA routes like JFK/DFW-CDG, DFW/MIA-MAD, MIA-GIG/SCL, etc.

A330: US A330s reconfigured with MCE and deployed on legacy-AA routes such as JFK-FCO, JFK-BCN, MIA-BCN, MIA-CNF, etc.

787/A350: 787s introduced per recent AA-Boeing agreement, A350 order possibly cancelled in favor of additional A320 family jets to more rapidly replace US 737s and 757s, and AA MD80s

767: US 762 fleet parked near-immediately, and replaced with AA 763s or 757s; AA 763 retirement timeline accelerates

757: US 757 fleet parked near-immediately, and replaced by AA 757s (either domestic or international configuration, as applicable) or new narrowbody jets being delivered

A321: AA/US comingled fleets used throughout network, including increasingly to replace 757s in Hawaii and Latin America markets, and on transcons; separate AA premium JFK-LAX/SFO A321 plans continue

737/A320: US 737s parked near-immediately, and AA handles 737/A320 mix much like Delta, with 737 being configured with a larger premium cabin for use in premium domestic markets and transcons, while A320 configured with a smaller premium cabin and used for lower-yielding markets (e.g., non-MIA Florida, leisure Caribbean and Mexico, PHX/LAS/RNO, etc.)

A319: AA/US comingled fleets used throughout domestic/North America network

MD80: fleet retirement continues and accelerates

EJet/CR7: EJets will be prioritized first and foremost to more competitive markets where a better product is required (e.g., ORD and NYC, then WAS and PHL) while CR7s will be flowed into other hubs where AA is more dominant (DFW, MIA, CLT, LAX)

Dash 8: The US Express fleet of Dash 8s are quite old, and will need replacement at some point, and many of Eagle’s shorter routes out of multiple hubs (including DFW, ORD and MIA) would also be a good fit for a prop; I could see AMR/regionals placing a substantial order for Q400s or ATR72s to fill this role


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8283 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 30348 times:
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Quoting commavia (Reply 8):
777: AA 772s reconfigured in previously-announced higher-density J/MCE/Y layout and find their way onto legacy-US routes such as PHL/CLT-LHR and legacy-AA routes like JFK/DFW-CDG, DFW/MIA-MAD, MIA-GIG/SCL, etc.

A330: US A330s reconfigured with MCE and deployed on legacy-AA routes such as JFK-FCO, JFK-BCN, MIA-BCN, MIA-CNF, etc.

787/A350: 787s introduced per recent AA-Boeing agreement, A350 order possibly cancelled in favor of additional A320 family jets to more rapidly replace US 737s and 757s, and AA MD80s

Lets not look down on the A350, it is a good airplane and many airlines will operate A350 with 777 and 787's. Since USairways management is running the new AA I doubt they will cancel their own A350 order. Some AA 777 will go to Charlotte and PHL as will some A330 go to Miami and JFK. Routes that AA has need more then 767 capacity but not quite 777 capacity. With this merger Phoenix should get some long haul international flying, can Tokyo or LHR be far away ? PHX to Sydney would be awesome, its closer then DFW and allows for connections from many cities.


User currently offlineseatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 30118 times:

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 5):
Yes it is strange that AA is to the partner that's gone bust but they seem to be making the dramatic announcements fleet, new livery etc.

Yes, but my understanding is that this is a MERGER vs. a buyout/takeover. AA shareholders will get around 70% of shares in the new airline with US shareholders at around 30%.

Quoting commavia (Reply 8):
787s introduced per recent AA-Boeing agreement, A350 order possibly cancelled in favor of additional A320 family jets to more rapidly replace US 737s and 757s, and AA MD80s

I completely agree that the A350 orders will be cancelled in favor of more A319/21's. Although Airbus could use the heft of an AA order for the A350 program, at the end of the day they'll be ok with an order for more A319/21's.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10735 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 30075 times:

Money has already been spent on the A350 order, I don't believe they will cancel it. However, I can see the A358 being upgraded to the A359.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
Lets not look down on the A350, it is a good airplane and many airlines will operate A350 with 777 and 787's.

   Just like AF with so many 777's in the fleet and another 25 787 + 25 A350 aircraft on order.



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 29960 times:
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A330s would be good in MIA with their good cargo capacity. I'd like to see A319s and E90s based in ORD to fill the gap there.

User currently offlineunityofsaints From Ireland, joined Nov 2011, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 29866 times:

Will this be the first "pro-Airbus" megacarrier in The States? United has Boeing fans in management now. Delta has exclusively bought Boeing since the merger. Ex-USAir management, however, likes Airbus.

Personally I think it will be cool if it works out like this. Variety is the spice of life!

[Edited 2013-02-08 05:57:54]

User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1169 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 29756 times:
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Quoting seatback (Reply 10):

AA creditors get 70%. These are not willing shareholders Since AA is unable to pay these creditors back in full these creditors are using the b/k laws to at least get some recovery on their debts in this case percentage ownership which might eventually be worth something if they can sell their stock. Current AA shareholders get zip.



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User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1023 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 29405 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 8):

EJet/CR7: EJets will be prioritized first and foremost to more competitive markets where a better product is required (e.g., ORD and NYC, then WAS and PHL) while CR7s will be flowed into other hubs where AA is more dominant (DFW, MIA, CLT, LAX)

Dash 8: The US Express fleet of Dash 8s are quite old, and will need replacement at some point, and many of Eagle’s shorter routes out of multiple hubs (including DFW, ORD and MIA) would also be a good fit for a prop; I could see AMR/regionals placing a substantial order for Q400s or ATR72s to fill this role

The question of what happens with the Express/Eagle fleet is a really interesting one. The Dash 8 fleet, in particular, serves a very specific role for US, and I'm really curious to see what the future is for the regionals in this merger.


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 29253 times:

The A350 will be a part of the new AA fleet. The retirement of all the 762's will be the first type to be removed and then the 763's will be replaced by the arrival of the 787's for the long haul fleet. I can see their always being a mix of A and B for their transcontinental and short haul flying.


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User currently offlineRyefly From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 29153 times:

Perhaps change the A350 orders for some A380's.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30572 posts, RR: 84
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 29111 times:
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I don't see the merged entity needing to cancel the A350 order, but if they do, I would expect all of the A350-800s to be changed to A350-900s and combined with the 787-9s to become A330-300 and 777-200ER replacements.

User currently offlinepiedmont727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 29084 times:

i think there will be a good boeing and airbus mix , im personally hopeing that they become mostlly boeing buyers like delta but wethier airbus or boeing becomes the one they buy more i think it depends on managment if its manelly us i think it will go to a airbus fleet and if american i think a more boeing but still airbus fleet either way with the merger there will be one hell of a mix

User currently offlinedallasnewark From Estonia, joined Nov 2005, 495 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 28505 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
Lets not look down on the A350, it is a good airplane and many airlines will operate A350 with 777 and 787's. Since USairways management is running the new AA I doubt they will cancel their own A350 order. Some AA 777 will go to Charlotte and PHL as will some A330 go to Miami and JFK. Routes that AA has need more then 767 capacity but not quite 777 capacity. With this merger Phoenix should get some long haul international flying, can Tokyo or LHR be far away ? PHX to Sydney would be awesome, its closer then DFW and allows for connections from many cities.

The chance of PHX getting a SYD flight are remotely low. Phoenix does not offer the same number of connections DFW can, so what would be the point of flying into PHX if they have multiple flights to LAX. Why does anyone think that Phoenix and Charlotte would get more international service after the merger, the opposite will be true. Mergers cut flights and streamline operations, it is not the other way around



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User currently offlineCalebWilliams From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 28388 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 8):
EJet/CR7: EJets will be prioritized first and foremost to more competitive markets where a better product is required (e.g., ORD and NYC, then WAS and PHL) while CR7s will be flowed into other hubs where AA is more dominant (DFW, MIA, CLT, LAX)

We see a lot of them at MSP too. I don't know how US competed with AA and DL into MSP (plus SY and WN, etc.) on the routes with E Jets.



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User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 882 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 28345 times:

Quoting unityofsaints (Reply 13):

Not a chance. Boeing is one of the biggest creditors needed to approve this merger on the AA side. The days of US only ordering Airbus are long gone. Will they stay a massive Airbus customer - more than likely but it's a win win for both manufacturers.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 27963 times:
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Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 15):
The question of what happens with the Express/Eagle fleet is a really interesting one. The Dash 8 fleet, in particular, serves a very specific role for US, and I'm really curious to see what the future is for the regionals in this merger.

it is possible this merger will be bad news for the smaller cities in SC and NC and VA. They could lose all service if the props go away.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 27927 times:

AA still has 58 787 optiosn which I can see the combined company exercising for a mix of 787-9 and 787-10s. Those airplanes can replace all the 767s, A330s, and 777-200s and they go to one fleet type on those airplanes.


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25 unityofsaints : Airbus isn't a creditor? A 130-plane order says otherwise.
26 na : One thing I expect from a merger is the accelerated retirement of US´ old 737-400 fleet. I could also think of AA changing the A350 order to some A38
27 iFlyLOTs : The order wasn't finalized until recently, and even then, Boeing is still a much larger creditor if you consider all the 737s, 777s and 787s that Ame
28 Beardown91737 : they would have to wait until the 787 itself is firmed up before taking any such action
29 seabosdca : The A350 and 787 orders just don't fit particularly well together. I would agree that the most logical outcome would be to convert the A350 order into
30 KaiTak747 : The management do not have a bias towards either Airbus or Boeing. Decisions on orders will be based on cost, availability, finance, fuel burn, capac
31 boeing773ER : Well in the new company Airbus will still be part of the creditors but will not be as large as Boeing. Airbus helped out US when they were going thro
32 phxa340 : Wrong. AA hasn't taken any deliveries from Airbus so technically their only liabilities would be the cancellation payments - if there are even any. B
33 gingersnap : Tell that to the airlines that have ordered both.
34 777STL : Or LAX which is only half an hour away by air from PHX. I completely agree though, if anything, PHX is going to contract with LAX being as close as i
35 EricAY05 : Wouldn't the 767-200ER's of US (delivered in 1997) be a perfect replacement for AA's old 767-200ER? This way the airline could continue serving JFK-L
36 apodino : The 737-400's will be quickly retired as soon as the ink is dry. No point in keeping them around any longer. As for the rest of the types I will handl
37 Post contains images KarelXWB : Other airlines have ordered both. Just look at Air France, with orders for 25 787 and A350 aircraft. I however don't see both 787-9 and A350-800 work
38 Post contains images crAAzy : A350s will be converted to A380s within the next 2 years with delivery set for 2017. You heard it hear first.
39 Post contains images scbriml : So Aeroflot, Air China, Air France, Avianca, Ethiopian, Etihad, Qatar Airways, Singapore Airlines and Vietnam Airlines have all got it wrong?
40 hoMsar : Don't forget United. While the 787s they have right now are from the original CO order, UA did have 787s and A350s of their own on order, and, IIRC,
41 crAAzy : There are so many variables that come into play here you can't just say one person is right or wrong. It depends on aircraft type (there are soon to
42 Post contains images jporterfi : Oh god, so repulsing. I think the new livery would look better on a 748. But honestly, I can't see AA ordering either one of those. 77Ws seem like a
43 seabosdca : Not totally true. AA has orders or options for 100 787s, which would come close to replacing both the 763 and 772 fleets. Furthermore, the 787-9 is m
44 Stitch : The 787-9 is identical in cabin length to the 777-200 so AA would be able to fit the same number of rows of their new product in the 787-9 as they wi
45 AVLAirlineFreq : There are a few markets that are served daily only by US, mostly in the southeast: FLO, LYH, PGV, HHH, SBY (which is Piedmont's base for the Dash), H
46 KarelXWB : I'm not following here, Boeing lists 314 seats for the 777-200ER and 290 for the 787-9, both in a 3-class configuration. A difference of 24 seats or
47 JAAlbert : Come on now, on what routes would AA fly a 380? I think AA's model, as well as most other US airlines, is frequency over capacity. Maybe, maybe AA co
48 hoMsar : The 787 is narrower than the 777. You can't do 10-across in a 787, but you could in a 777. Same number of rows still gives you more seats in a 777.
49 seabosdca : Since the new 777 product is 10Y, that will still leave the 787-9 with a slight capacity deficit to the 777 in Y. If that won't work, perhaps some of
50 Stitch : The difference in length between the passenger cabin of the 777-200 and the 787-9 is 29cm. As such, I would put down the difference in seating due to
51 crAAzy : Again I think the key here is what configuration AA chooses for their 787-9s. Allow me to illustrate my point: AA will soon have the following aircraf
52 brilondon : I thought it was firmed up. No. That is the primary function of the A321's soon to be in their fleet. I have not seen anything about this yet, do you
53 MCOflyer : 1st: The first thing that will happen to the 734's and 762's will be retired first with A321's, and A332's right away whether they be new or newly use
54 Post contains images KarelXWB : Of course, how could I forget. The 777 can do 10 abreast in Y so it can hold more seats while having the same length as the 787-9. Well, you've given
55 anfromme : I see no more reason for a merged AA/US to cancel their A350 order than for a merged CO/UA to cancel their A350 order. I .e. the only reason I could
56 seabosdca : Unlikely. That would result in seats under 16" wide. The A350 10Y configuration will already be one of the narrowest ever sold.
57 seabosdca : There are two differences: 1) UA only has a few 787-9s on order, with large and aging 772 and 744 fleets to be replaced, while AA has many 787-9s and
58 strfyr51 : Cancel the A350 order?? Why is that a good idea?? The 787 and the A350 are not even similar. Now if you were talking about cancelling the A350 order
59 Post contains links PanAmPaul : AA today firmed up orders with Boeing and Airbus for almost 250 aircraft. American Finalizes Aircraft Orders With Airbus and Boeing, Expects 787s in L
60 unityofsaints : "The A330 and 777 orders just don't fit particularly well together" - that's something no one will ever say, but for the 787 and A350 it's a popular
61 Post contains images seabosdca : I wouldn't be saying it if the A350s involved were -1000s. But buying A350-1000s makes no sense for AA/US when they are just starting to receive 20 b
62 jayunited : I think AA will keep the A350-9 that US ordered reason being the new AA will need them. While the 773 take over some flying that the 772 are currently
63 commavia : Some of US' 767s are just as old as AA's - both fleets are quite old. The ATR72s Executive is getting rid of are ancient models, not the far more com
64 Polot : The newest one was built in '93. I suspect EricAY05 saw when they were technically operated as US Airways, and not when they were delivered to USAir.
65 Post contains links phxa340 : First off ... I would hope AA is not a creditor of Airbus as funds would be rather tight. Second ... I don't know how many members have to tell you t
66 AngMoh : Just being on the creditor committee does not give you the power to have all contracts with your competitor cancelled. The members are a cross sectio
67 Post contains links etops1 : Hell , there might not be an A350 all together . http://www.forbes.com/2006/10/05/air...n_1005airbus.html?partner=yahootix
68 EricAY05 : That's a pity. I really hate the 3-3 configuration on any flight over 3h. Most people probably agree. You're right. The info at planespotters.net got
69 AeroWesty : You do realize this article is from 2006?
70 PlanesNTrains : So the only reason you can see for them to not want to take the A350's is someone's bias here? I thought there were some very logical reasons posted
71 antoniemey : Which is in part because Bethune was at Boeing before going to CO and in part because Boeing helped to save CO's bacon when it was weeks from shuttin
72 DocLightning : You need to think of a 762 as being sort of like a 753 with a 10+ hour range. It's good at very long, very thin routes and not much else.
73 Post contains images oldeuropean : Nice try!
74 Post contains links BlueSky1976 : I'm not sure if this was mentioned earlier, but American's order for Airbus all 260 narrowbodies is now firmed as well. http://www.flightglobal.com/ne
75 MEA-707 : What year do you think Americans fleet would be like this? I think the 757, 777-200ER and 767-300ER will be gone sooner then the US Airways inheritan
76 jfk777 : The current 772 has 16 First Class seats taking up lots of real estate, the J number I have seen in the new configuration is 45 J seats. That will oc
77 JerseyFlyer : AA recently converted some of their B789 orders to the smaller B788. That leaves more room for the A350 (whether -800 or -900) in the combined AA/US f
78 STT757 : I'm going to miss the US 762s from PHL-MCO. The last of the wide bodies from the Northeast to Florida, we just flew one last December. Since I was kid
79 777STL : And a few them have been delivered as recently as 2009. Given AA's low utilization of the 772 fleet, I don't see the 772 fleet being gone by 2020. Th
80 MEA-707 : The last 223ERs came in 2006, only 2, the bulk is from 1999-2001. BUT I give in, I agree with STT757 and 777STL, the 772s will most likely stay in th
81 Post contains images phxa340 : I was responding to another member that said Airbus was a creditor during BK ... I wasn't saying that it will effect future orders [Edited 2013-02-09
82 rangercarp : 900 narrow bodies? That sounds very optimistic. The combined fleets are currently at around 800. When the dust finally settles(3 - 5 years) I expect
83 yyz717 : I agree . There is no need for the 350 alongside the 777 and 787. The 350 order could likely be converted into more A32xneo perhaps without penalty.
84 brilondon : I was not all that serious about them finding a way, but if you narrow the aisles by 2" and reduce the width of the armrests and narrow the walls...
85 Burkhard : Which means there is no need to keep the 777-200... The A350-900 is the 777-200A and 777-200ER replacement.
86 scbriml : And a significantly more efficient one at that.
87 Lindberghflyer : Does anyone have any insight into what will happen with the configurations of the a320 and a330 aircraft where us has a significantly lower amount of
88 crj900lr : Yes they do and it has been talked about for some time as to what is going to replace them. We should know shortly. The first regional a/c on the cho
89 silentbob : I think they will be gone within five years. Between the difficulties of replacing staff due to various mainline retirements and the need for fleet r
90 crj900lr : In that situation you get what you pay for and run the risk of sub standard, unreliable service, which is what we have now with several of our contra
91 silentbob : Considering that the fleet plan for Piedmont hasn't included new frames since the merger and they will have to retire at least three frames this year
92 Post contains images PHLBOS : My on the matter. If the merger goes through as planned: Planned retirements of MD-80s & 733 (I think US still has one or two of those still flyin
93 Stitch : AA is scheduled to receive 787s starting in 2014. US is scheduled to receive A350s starting in 2017.
94 AA777 : Its more likely that in the next year, all the major 787 kinks will be resolved. Introduction of the A350 is still how many years off.... 3-4 years..
95 F9animal : Alright. So, it looks like the merger is going to happen. Not excited, but....... Lets talk about what would make me really happy. And I am sure a few
96 JarradS : So, Now that AA is becoming a shell for US airways, will there be any future Boeing orders after the current books are completed?
97 columba : What version of the ATR have you flown with ? You can not compare the older with the newer versions. The latest version of the ATR is more fuel effic
98 Post contains links kiffy : Not ture, AA543 763, JFK-MIA...
99 Post contains links anfromme : This is from the FAQ on the website AA and US set up for the merger announcement and related topics: Source: http://newamericanarriving.com/faq Just l
100 Post contains links realsim : The 90th one is a 777, because the 90 figure is as of Dec 31, 2012. Here you have a more detailed list: http://newamericanarriving.com/image...Airway
101 columba : Is there a possibility that the last 5 777-200ERs on order can be converted to 777Ws ?
102 Post contains images Stitch : I would say that is a foregone conclusion that if they are delivered, it will be as 777-300ERs.
103 KarelXWB : According the 777 production list at least 2 777-200ERs for AA will not be built: cn 32439 / N764AN cn 31480 / N763AN
104 realsim : It has been reported that all have been converted to 77Ws, so AA will have a total of 20 aircraft of the type. However, it seems that the official ag
105 NASCARAirforce : A few things. Eagle just retired their AT72s recently, do you think they would order them again? What about the large fleet of CRJ-200s flown by Air
106 FriendlySkies : Does anyone know the lease terms on the new 77Ws? In my mind, it's a perfectly likely scenario that all of the A350 orders could be convered to -1000
107 PlanesNTrains : I don't know if 2025 makes sense, but certainly there is a case to be made for pushing them out a few years and perhaps swapping them for the -1000.
108 slcdeltarumd11 : Is there any chance they keep the US paint? I hate the new AA planes personally
109 DLD9S : No. How is AA a shell for US? This is a merger, not an acquisition... Regardless, AA is bringing more money in the bank, more employees, the HQ, the
110 Stitch : I believe they are direct purchases from Boeing and I can't find any information about them being sold and leased-back.
111 gigneil : I thought more about this - according to their orderbook, by 2019 they will have 546 Airbus narrowbodies and possibly 406 737s. That's just not going
112 Stitch : US Air's A319-100s and A320-200s will be pushing the two-decade mark by then, so I could see them all being retired as AA's new aircraft arrive. That
113 BDL757 : Does anyone think the new AA will order the 739/739MAX? I'm guessing since they've ordered the A321 they don't need the 739.
114 JarradS : Once the current Boeing orders are delivered, and the next round of fleet renewals/additions are needed, what are the chances that AA will order more
115 gigneil : Stitch - my numbers excluded all those other frames. But I didn't think about the current A320s being that old then. They will have a LOT of A321s NS
116 columba : The new ATR-72 is a very capable plane and very fuel efficient, but I don´t know if Eagle is in the market for new planes right now as they just ord
117 PlanesNTrains : With all of the A321's at US, I've wondered how soon they would order the NEO's (which seemed to be a foregone conclusion given their fleet) when the
118 carpethead : The A332 and 77W. In production with no electrical problems nor production/testing delays. Surprisingly, no one has brought up the subject of these a
119 Philly65 : I know this will cause a few Boeing fans to get a wad in their panties, but I don't envision a preference to one OEM versus the other. Given the sheer
120 rotating14 : I guess it would depend on the missions AA would want to serve with them. Since the 77W is a longer range aircraft, if AA should order more I would g
121 Polot : I can see them ordering more 77Ws, since they have nothing else in that size range. But between all the A330s US already has, the A330s/A358/A359s US
122 yyz717 : The 406x 737 is based on the current 306x 738 ordered (200 in service now, 106 on order) which all will be delivered by 2018. The MAX-8 will begin de
123 crj900lr : Air Wisconsin as they are now (71 aircraft, all CRJ-200's) are gone as of 2015 and maybe sooner so those 71 CRJ-200's won't be in the fleet. The only
124 LHCVG : And once you have both brands on-property, it makes it that much easier since it removes the last major stumbling block (adding a new type from a man
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