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AA/US Merger Impact: HQ  
User currently offlineModerators From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 509 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3968 times:
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User currently offlineRmTrice From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3679 times:

It's a pretty straightforward situation when it comes to HDQ, isnt it? All functions begin to transition to Fort Worth except for a few exceptions (res centers, etc..)

Are there any AA HDQ employees here who can comment on whether or not AA will have to expand their campus just south of DFW? Or perhaps consolidating some headquarters functions will be sufficient?


User currently onlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4037 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3667 times:

While we know what will happen with HQ, what about SOC?

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11454 posts, RR: 61
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
While we know what will happen with HQ, what about SOC?

It is hard to imagine the SOC not being in Ft Worth. Not only is it more efficient for the SOC and the headquarters to be in one place, but AA's SOC is Ft Worth is huge, and almost certainly far larger than the US facility (in PIT, right?).


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

This is straight forward. HQ and SOC will be in Fort Worth.


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User currently offlinesimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 911 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 3):
AA's SOC is Ft Worth is huge, and almost certainly far larger than the US facility (in PIT, right?).

Correct, US Airways' is in PIT. A small but nice facility, kept there post-America West merger thanks to some tax incentives.

On that note, are there terms that would have to be paid to get out from that deal?


User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3291 times:

Wasn't the OCC in PIT just built a couple of years ago? Not sure who paid for the building, but I think US may own the building themselves and they built it from the ground up.

I don't see the OCC not being in DFW though. And there will be a lot of job openings because most of the guys in PIT are pretty senior and I don't think they would move to DFW.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7233 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

I just wonder what's going to happen here. Will there be a bunch of empty spaces and lost jobs?


I have a feeling this merger isn't going to go over so well for grandma Jan here in Arizona as well as other people who have some sort of stake in the business operations here.



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User currently offlinetoxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

Somewhere, I read that Parker said the HQ would be Fort Worth. But I think it was a DFW paper.

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 8):
Somewhere, I read that Parker said the HQ would be Fort Worth. But I think it was a DFW paper.

Allow me to erase your doubts:

http://www.azcentral.com/business/ar...may-announce-merger-next-week.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayi...rways-merger-mean-for-you/1899185/



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User currently offlinetooluther From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 304 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 6):
Wasn't the OCC in PIT just built a couple of years ago? Not sure who paid for the building, but I think US may own the building themselves and they built it from the ground up.

US's new OCC opened in 2008 to the tune of $25 million and there were heavy tax incentives involved (but I will have to go looking for the exact terms). One of the local dailies here in Pittsburgh has a quick blurb about it today:

http://triblive.com/business/headlin...rways-merger-airline#axzz2KLHJPFh1

As was mentioned above, it is hard to imagine the combines carrier wouldn't consolidate operations control in Texas...unless they need to convince some PA legislators that the merger isn't a bad thing (DL did something similar IIRC). Could the PIT center be used to run the in-house express carriers or must those functions be operated out of the same facility?


User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9303 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

Bloomberg News reporting Doug Parker will be ceo of a combined company, Tom Horton would have a limited term as non-executive chairman.

Both boards to vote Monday or Tuesday.

US Airways holders to get 28% stake in merged airline.
AMR creditors would receive 72%.



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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5491 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9):

Allow me to erase your doubts:

http://www.azcentral.com/business/ar...may-announce-merger-next-week.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayi...9185/

I believe that the reporter in the Phoenix paper is smoking dope, based upon them reporting that US would be "buying" AA. Not gonna happen.

Even if the deal, as ultimately structured, looks like an acquisition, it will still have AA's interests (and most important, the interests of its Creditors) as first priority. No deal will happen unless it is materially better for AA's Creditors than emerging and subsequently buying US outright -- so US has to drop it's pantaloons to make a deal a priori. And, they will, if they want it to happen.

Seems to me that, bottom-line, this merger is being pushed now to benefit (primarily) the senior execs at US. It may well end up being good for the employees at one, two or all three carriers involved (because, as we all know, US is for employment purposes two airlines), but that employee benefit will be incidental, not primary.

Lastly, PR hacks can talk the talk, but when the dust settles, KPHX will be a mere shadow of itself, almost entirely comprised of O&D... and the dominant airline there will have planes painted Canyon Blue.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7233 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 8):
Somewhere, I read that Parker said the HQ would be Fort Worth. But I think it was a DFW paper.

A US employee told me that the Parkers moved to DFW area over christmas. Reportedly his kids are now enrolled in a Fort Worth area private school.



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User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1628 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

Quoting tooluther (Reply 10):
US's new OCC opened in 2008 to the tune of $25 million and there were heavy tax incentives involved

AA is currently completely renovating its SOC in Fort Worth to consolidate its dispatch and maintenance control centers (MOC will move from TUL).

Quoting tooluther (Reply 10):
As was mentioned above, it is hard to imagine the combines carrier wouldn't consolidate operations control in Texas

   Especially with the money that's being put into the new facility down south. Stranger things have happened, but my money is on PIT going by the wayside if/when everything is integrated.



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