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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2469 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5092 times:

We had a thread almost 5 years ago on potential new service and goings on at YVR which I just stumbled across which I found very interesting to look back on

New Service To YVR (by QFYVR May 14 2008 in Civil Aviation)

I think it would be interesting to look at some of the changes since then, things that did and did not happen and any news of new routes for this summer and other general rumors.

SERVICE LOSSES

* Zoom ceased operations
* FJ ceased service to NAN via HNL
* SQ ceased their ICN-SIN service
* GSM ceased operations
* LTU taken over by AB and not returning for 2013
* AS now only serve LAX
* US PHL service short lived and dropped LAS (HP route), now only serve PHX
* F9 been and gone to DEN
* JL dropped MEX tax on
* AC ceased SAN
* MX ceased operations
* MP ceased pax operations

SERVICE GAINS & CHANGES

* AC reducing ICN to 4x weekly for summer 2013. LHR already reduced to 1x daily since 2011 but added daily MEX with 319 since demise of MX and increasing PEK to 2x daily from June 1 2013 with 763 and took over EWR from CO when they joined Star.
* JL reduced from 744 to 77E to 763. Current Saturday only 77E reverting to 763 shortly
* CX now down to twice daily all 77W, no more 744
* CA increasing to 11x weekly from May 17 2013 with added service on days 2,4,5 & 6
* KE increasing from 5x weekly 77E to daily 744 for summer 2013 June 20 - Sept 8
* NZ increasing to 5x weekly for July & August 2013 with 77E
* DL adding JFK with 738 from June 6 2013
* With NW/DL merger, MSP is currently sometimes opb OO CR7/9's instead of CZ E75, will revert to A32S for summer. For summer 2012 there was Saturday only 752 to DTW & ATL. SLC still OO CR9, briefly operated by mainline M90 summer 12.
* New service from CZ to CAN with 77E commenced 2011 - increasing from current 5x week to daily June 17 2013
* KL summer serviced switched from M11 to 77E
* LH to commence MUC for summer 2013 with 333 commencing May 16
* TS taken over whole Canadian Affair program to Europe from TCX from summer 2012
* PR upgraded the flight with no tag on to LAS to 77W (LAS flight still operated by 343) and launched new YYZ tag on with 77W
* UA/CO cross fleeting fully in force and EWR switched to AC. IAD begins June 8 2013
* Edelweiss took over the 1x weekly Belair flight to ZRH with 2x weekly 332/333 with NEW: Swiss International Airlines (Switzerland)">LX codeshare, back for summer 2013 from May 30 to Sep 26 and no YYC stop
* VS launched 4x weekly LHR with 333 summer seasonal for 2012, confrimed coming back for summer 13 from May 14
* New service from 3U 3x weekly to SZX-CTU with 332 commenced summer 2012
* Air North increasing use of 734 & 735 on the YXY sched run replacing 732, though it still shows up
* MU changed from winter 343 / summer 346 to year round 332, twice daily in summer
* CI increased to 744 from 343 for Jan & Feb 2013 only
* WS new services to ORD, YXY and year round to KOA & OGG
* US extra summer only to PHX with Mesa CR9
* QX increased all flying to DH4 as DH2 and CR7 retired
* AA operating year round 3x daily 738 instead of 752

CARGO

* UPS Friday flight is now 763F
* CX Cargo Monday flight is 748F
* FX have upgraded to daily AB6F to MEM, plus replaced 2x domestic 722F with 757F opb Morningstar and Saturday only AT4 / AT7 to SEA / GEG opb Empire or MAC.
* Kelowna Flightcraft are operating the DC10-30F on the Canada Post contract and 1x CV-580 has been converted to CV-5800, a rare beast indeed.
* CZ operate a 77F LAX-YVR-CAN twice a week, schedule all over tha place...
* BR commenced a short lived 744F twice weekly DFW-YVR-ANC-TPE, not sure it operated more than a dozen times.
* Cargojet down to M-F 1x 722F and 1x 757F or 762F
* Ramp has been extended outside the Jazz hangar and the DHL (ABX) 762F has relocated there from south side
* Airpac operating daily PA-31F to SEA / BFI for DHL

GENERAL NEWS

* Construction is finally under way on the north lands next to UPS. The new Canada Post facility is getting close to readiness plus there is also a new fuel farm. There is further construction to the west of Canada Post, but I am unaware what will be there.
* Cross runway 12/30 is now rarely used at all and 08R/26L still used for most take offs.
* Apron expansion opposite the A gates for WS Encore and taxiway lighting improved.
* New viewing platform in south terminal parking lot, engine run up bay on part of the old CHC shop, customs / weather building torn down and replaced by a semi permament portakabin like structure and more parking. The building in the middle of Cowley was torn down and is now parking. The old BCIT hangar now belongs to WS, Harbour Air have taken over half the Pasco hangar and Orca have taken over the WCA hangar. NTA have taken over Orca / CAC's hangar at the back of Avitat.
* The Canada Line was up and running well in advance of the olympics and seems to be a huge success.
* The road to the coast guard was raised and there is now ongoing major excavation beyond the coast guard at the end of 30 and towards the old 26A - any ideas?
* The new fence....

FISHING CHARTERS & SOUTH TERMINAL

* Summer 2012 fishing charters operated by Air North 732 and 2x HS748 and a Jazz Air (non AC) DH3 as well as 8P using their Saabs - not heard for 2013 yet.
* Harbour Air acquired West Coast Air but still currently operating independently, new livery for both.
* Pasco finally retired their Shorts - GPCW was stored time expired in the hangar for a while, now outside minus wings and GPCF now shrink wrapped and minus props, both rumored to be en route to Africa. Not YVR exactly, but the G21 Goose is supposedly retired due to lack of certified spare parts and replaced by Turbine Otters.
* Van City Beech 18 no longer airworthy...
* Orca now the largest Navajo operator in Canada by acquiring Canadian Air Charters and operating scheds to YYJ as well as YAZ and competing with KD Air to Qualicum Beach - also acquired 3x Metro freighters FIOA/B/C to operate bag runs taken over from Carson and flying is temporarily flown by Summit Do228's and an Alkan C208B as well as the B100 & B200 acquired from CAC.
* Newest carrier BC West Air to YXX with a Navajo, though have seen the PA-28... service seems sporadic at best.
* Helijet lost the jet BCAMS contract to Carson, who now operate it with a C560. Increased helicopter flying with the purchase of newer S76C's added to the fleet.
* Hawkair moved their sched operations to the main terminal.

OLD RUMORS

* No Indian carrier or flights - IT supposedly to launch flights, but now out of business.
* QF / Jetstar / V Australia to Oz - still guess no 787's for the forseeable so no dice
* EK still barred by bi-latterals but have since commenced SEA
* No rescue or reincarnation of Oasis HK or HMY
* No new taxiway linking 26R to 26L from E gates.

NEW RUMORS

* Hainan with A330 to Haikou
* Skymark A380 destination
* BA to increase 1 sumer flight to A380
* LH to increase FRA to 748I
* Persistent rumors of WN or VX service
* QR service to DOH

Lots of info here, appreciate any corrections and additions, particularly actual news for 2013 and thanks for reading  

Please no comparing to YYC or YUL and the related bashing.


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User currently offlinekamloops From Canada, joined Nov 2010, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

Well I know very minor, but hopefuly with WS Encore, will see YKA - YVR service back again, just hopping to see more comptetion and lowering pricing for this route.

User currently offlinesptv From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5013 times:

Fourth daily AS YVR-LAX flight resuming June 2013 after a one year absence.

User currently offlineMEL From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1098 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5000 times:

Does anyone have a photo of this viewing platform down by the South terminal? I'm curious to know exactly where it is, and what it looks like. Thx.


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4947 times:

I'm very hopeful that some carrier will step up and jump into the vacant YVR-SAN route, perhaps even by this summer. Anyone there hearing any rumors about this? (I know that the SDIA folks have been working hard on this issue, including visits with the folks at WS and AS...)

Of course WS and AS are the 2 most likely candidates. AS has served the route on multiple occasions in the past and perhaps they will try it again as part of their build-up in SAN. And WS has a big press event on Monday -- mostly for Encore news -- but perhaps they will offer something regarding this route.

I would assume a fair amount of the traffic between the 2 cities was cruise-based -- in both directions -- but the San Diego cruise business has really decreased over the last few years (as the problems in Mexico have continued). I don't really know for sure about the summer cruises out of Vancouver.

Anyway, I'm hopeful that something positive will happen sooner rather than later.

bb


User currently offlineAirForceOne From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4604 times:

I believe that runway 12/30 is only used when the crosswind is greater than 20kts. Also, I don't think SAN will ever get going again. YVR and SEA both have good terminals and pax are now are heading to BLI to get cheaper flights to SAN and southern destinations.

One question I have, would it be possible to get an ATL route going? I know its served by Delta during the summer a couple times a week, but why so little traffic?


User currently offlineCPA62 From Canada, joined Jan 2012, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Thank you YVRLTN for starting this post. I have my own opinion regarding YVR ..
I can not see much happening in terms of new route or new carriers. There may may be another China based carrier, but apart from that I think Vancouver will be happy to hold on to what it has. YVR is in a bad location, we have BLI and SEA which is drawing passengers away from Vancouver, particularly, Icelandic and Emirates and Delta to AMS and Asian routes. YVR needs more connectivity to the US Destinations in particular, Midwest and South East. ASian carriers as carrier rely heavily on O & D traffic to YVR. More routes ex Vancouver into the US and South America for that matter make it a more viable destination for Asian Carriers.

Vancouver is quickly loosing its Gateway status to SEA and YYZ. YYZ will soon be the Pacific Gateway to Canada along with the European, US, SOuth America, Africa and Middle East Gateway and should also bill itself as the gateway to Vancouver. The impediment to growth at Vancouver is Canada and Air Canada. The Canadian Fed are slow to, or not interested to negotiate new air agreements with countries that potentially could open up air services to Vancouver. Despite studies favouring lower taxes and airport rents would outweigh the current system by increasing traffic, trade and tourism, the feds are still stuck in the days of the .60 cent dollar. Unfortunately this will keep Vancouver in a non competitive position with SEA, LAX, And SFO.

BC Minister of transport recently published the Aviation Strategy for BC. (this can be found on the BC MOT Website). It is almost pointless?. If the MOT wants to increase trade, tourism, traffic and develop Vancouver as a major pacific hub, then she should consider

- issuing a BC Passport to BC Citizens
- negotiating it own Bi-lateral agreements
- funding a national carrier based in Vancouver to serve the interest of Vancouver, much like Air Canada does with Toronto
Just to start!
:D

Sorry, otherwise Vancouver will never reach its potential


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2866 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4495 times:

Quoting YVRLTN (Thread starter):
* Persistent rumors of WN or VX service

I do think YVR could do very well for VX. The stage lengths for SFO/LAX-YVR are of course much shorter than SFO/LAX-YYZ, and AC/Star Alliance is not nearly the force to be reckoned with in Western Canada as it is in Eastern Canada - especially with respect to YYZ. Seeing as how VX jumped into the other major, highly competitive Pacific Northwest markets of SEA (March 2008) and PDX (June 2012), I don't think YVR should be too much trouble for them.

As for WN, I don't think they have the technological ability to fly international on their own metal yet. For the time being they will be busy integrating the existing FL international markets (AUA, BDA, CUN, MBJ, MEX, NAS, PUJ, and SJD) into their network, and I doubt Canada is any kind of priority for them. Canadian facility costs and taxes remain a major concern for them, as they do for virtually all American LCCs with the notable exception of VX. Also, I bet WN pulls pretty well from the Vancouver market already with its existing SEA services, as it does at BUF with folks from Toronto and other parts of Ontario. However, all that said, if WN ever does elect to serve Canada, I think YVR could very well be their best bet. A mix of OAK, LAS, and DEN to start, then they could always add stuff like SJC, PHX, and MDW if that did well. I could see it working out, but not anytime soon.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
YVR-SAN

It is rather odd to see this route without any nonstop service at all when even SNA now hosts daily year round service to YVR (WS) and SAN has nonstop services to other more distant Canadian markets like YYC (WS) and YYZ (AC). It's a great chance for WS to continue its niche expansion from YVR, where they offer the only nonstop options to popular U.S. destinations like LIH, PSP, and SNA, or for AS to continue its niche expansion from SAN, where they offer the only nonstop options to popular domestic and international destinations like LIH, MCO, OGG, and PVR. Both carriers would simply be "connecting the dots". I bet we could see one or the other add this now that AC has officially thrown in the towel!



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4428 times:

Quoting AirForceOne (Reply 5):
I don't think SAN will ever get going again. YVR and SEA both have good terminals and pax are now are heading to BLI to get cheaper flights to SAN and southern destinations.


I don't have any traffic figures for trans-border routes so I don't know how the SAN market compares to other western U.S. mainland cities. But the problem with your statement is that WS currently flies from YVR to SFO, LAX, SNA, PSP, LAS, PHX; Allegiant flies from BLI to OAK, LAX, PSP, SAN, LAS and PHX. So apparently BLI has not affected YVR service to those cities to the point of losing it.

I do agree that a lot of travelers heading from and to Vancouver do cross the border and use BLI. That doesn't mean there aren't those who still want to fly in and out of YVR, as supported by WS's (and other cx') routes from there.

AC served SAN-YVR continuously, daily, and year-round, from Dec 2005 -- permanently upgrading from a Jazz CRA to a mainline E90 in Nov 2009 -- until abruptly dropping the route last October. (At the time they indicated it was a "seasonal suspension" and would return in May 2013 but recently changed their minds and axed the route completely.)

So AC served the route continually for nearly 7 years without so much as a major timing change and all of a sudden it's gone! That doesn't sound to me like a poorly performing or unprofitable route with insufficient pax loads to keep it running. (BTW, G4 began BLI-SAN service in Jun 2008.) I can't help but believe the traffic is still there and that someone other than AC can make it work.

bb


User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4378 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 7):
Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
YVR-SAN

It is rather odd to see this route without any nonstop service at all when even SNA now hosts daily year round service to YVR (WS)

I wonder if for this reason SAN may be a little close for WS. May be a little far for pax on a Q400 of Encore too.

Quoting CPA62 (Reply 6):
I can not see much happening in terms of new route or new carriers. There may may be another China based carrier, but apart from that I think Vancouver will be happy to hold on to what it has. YVR is in a bad location, we have BLI and SEA which is drawing passengers away from Vancouver, particularly, Icelandic and Emirates and Delta to AMS and Asian routes. YVR needs more connectivity to the US Destinations in particular, Midwest and South East. ASian carriers as carrier rely heavily on O & D traffic to YVR. More routes ex Vancouver into the US and South America for that matter make it a more viable destination for Asian Carriers.

Its obvious the main growth has come from China. I have heard Hainan Airlines have been looking at YVR, but with the advent of the 77L & 77W YVR is now able to be bypassed from Asia. I am not too concerned about BLI as there is nothing really unique offered from there and are just low yield pax.

The only airline to do what you suggest is AC and I am not sure they either have the resources or the willpower to take this on. The other alternate is have UA operate flights under codeshare, and the introduction of IAD is a step in the right direction.

Quoting CPA62 (Reply 6):
Thank you YVRLTN for starting this post

You are welcome, thanks for the contribution  
Quoting AirForceOne (Reply 5):
One question I have, would it be possible to get an ATL route going? I know its served by Delta during the summer a couple times a week, but why so little traffic?

As far as I know, the flights are cruise ship related. I would have thought it would open up a whole plethora of connections, but maybe particularly Latin America is adequately served already via IAH with UA and DFW with AA.

Quoting MEL (Reply 3):
Does anyone have a photo of this viewing platform down by the South terminal? I'm curious to know exactly where it is, and what it looks like. Thx.

Here you go, in my photo stream - lots of pics from YVR if you are interested http://www.flickr.com/photos/2387009...78171551/in/set-72157623268374562/ Its at the western end of the south terminal parking lot next to the terminal overlooking the ramp.



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

Quoting CPA62 (Reply 6):
The Canadian Fed are slow to, or not interested to negotiate new air agreements with countries that potentially could open up air services to Vancouver.

Then why have they signed so many 'Open Skies' agreements with nations around the world ? A statement that has no basis in fact.

Quoting CPA62 (Reply 6):
- issuing a BC Passport to BC Citizens
- negotiating it own Bi-lateral agreements
- funding a national carrier based in Vancouver to serve the interest of Vancouver, much like Air Canada does with Toronto

1 - a BC passport would have no standing in the world as it would not be issued by a national government;
2 - the BC government does not have the authority to negotiate international agreements as it is not a national government;
3 - the BC government doesn't have a pot to pee in after the Olys and having to give back the HST adjustment money - which was also spent on the Olys, actually.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4199 times:

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 9):
I wonder if for this reason SAN may be a little close for WS. May be a little far for pax on a Q400 of Encore too.


I assume you mean SAN is a little close to SNA for WS? If that's what you mean, it could be but I seriously doubt it.

If I recall correctly, WS tried YYC and YVR from SNA but gave up fairly quickly on YYC but still seems to be doing okay with YVR. (And AC also tried SNA and pulled it fairly quickly I believe.) And WS has been flying SAN-YYC for 3 1/2 years now (they started on 6-1-09) and they've very gradually increased frequency on the route.

Although SAN and SNA are generally considered totally separate markets, there certainly is a little leakage in both directions I'm sure. If you are thinking that WS could not/would not serve both SAN and SNA from YVR, as I said, I would doubt it. But, if it turns out that they do NOT try SAN-YVR, then maybe they are in fact figuring that they can serve John Wayne from YVR and Lindbergh Field from YYC, treating both airports as serving the same area. (I really don't think they would look at the SoCal area that way though.)

I do agree that the Encore Q400 is probably not a good fit for SAN-YVR, a 3+ hour, 1177 mile flight by jet. WS could, however, fly a 737 less than daily if the traffic is not enough to support such a flight every day. (I wouldn't think the SAN-YVR traffic would be that much different than SNA-YVR -- which they do fly daily year-round -- but I do not know either figure.)

If AS decided to jump on the route, they could always use a 70-seat OO CR7 and probably run it daily (again, if the traffic doesn't seem to support a 737.) That might very well be the ideal a/c for the route.

These seem to be at least a couple of reasonable possibilities to get someone back on the route. I just hope it happens!

bb


User currently offlinecyeg66 From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
If I recall correctly, WS tried YYC and YVR from SNA but gave up fairly quickly on YYC but still seems to be doing okay with YVR.

Did they really axe YYC-SNA? IIRC, they served it again (seasonally) this past summer until the first week of October. Loads around 80%, apparently. They may have cut it but I don't remember seeing it in print anywhere.



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5332 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

Quoting YVRLTN (Thread starter):
* NZ increasing to 5x weekly for July & August 2013 with 77E

Thats the case now aswell DEC 12 FEB 13. Next year in the same period I see it increses to 6x weekly, obviously doing well!


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25332 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4027 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
These seem to be at least a couple of reasonable possibilities to get someone back on the route. I just hope it happens!

Just curious why you are so concerned about SAN-YVR having nonstop service when there are dozens of connecting options via LAX/SFO/PDX/SEA? The fact that there are no nonstop services seems to indicate that carriers that have operated those services in the past now have more profitable uses for the aircraft that were flying those routes. All airlines are constantly trying to allocate their resources where they generate the highest returns.

I expect one of SAN-YVR's problems is that it's almost exclusively a leisure market with very little high-yield business traffic. It's not easy to make money on those types of routes, especially when traffic is also highly seasonal.

I would guess there are some U.S. domestic O&D markets from SAN larger than SAN-YVR which also have no nonstop service.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3956 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):
3 - the BC government doesn't have a pot to pee in after the Olys and having to give back the HST adjustment money - which was also spent on the Olys, actually.

Its interesting you bring up the Olympics, as I was going to ask if there has been a benefit to Vancouver / BC from hosting the 2010 event?

Given the benefits to many cities have appeared to have been very small, and from what I have read in Sydney's case actually saw a decrease in tourists visiting, I was wondering how Vancouver has fared so far?

YVR is definitely in a position where it suffers from higher taxes on travel and with a few close alternatives across the border. Its a great facility and city, but from an aviation perspective it is being disadvantaged by those factors listed above.


User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3707 times:

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 9):
I am not too concerned about BLI as there is nothing really unique offered from there and are just low yield pax.

YVR seems to disagree with that assessment. The writing is on the wall, and there's a lot of noise being directed at Ottawa right now from YVR and various other airport authorities out West



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3180 times:

Quoting TheCol (Reply 16):
YVR seems to disagree with that assessment. The writing is on the wall, and there's a lot of noise being directed at Ottawa right now from YVR and various other airport authorities out West

I guess I meant all the destinations served from BLI are pretty much served from YVR and any pax G4 are picking up from BC possibly may not have flown at all if not for their pricing. I agree WS in particular could move some of those pax from YVR, but if you live in south Surrey, Langley or Aldergrove and if you time your border crossing right or have a Nexus card, it can be quicker and cheaper to get to BLI than YVR so there may not be much attraction to come to YVR anyway. BTW, I would be interested in any links to any specific sources you had in mind.

The FI option ex SEA to Europe is interesting too someone mentioned. I checked pricing to GLA and is in line with the cheapest option ex YVR KL via AMS, but frequency is an issue plus you would have to get to SEA.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
I would guess there are some U.S. domestic O&D markets from SAN larger than SAN-YVR which also have no nonstop service.

Not disagreeing with you, what markets would you have in mind? IAD is coming this year which is a big one checked off the list.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 13):
obviously doing well!

Indeed, it is also a very cargo heavy route which I thinks contributes a lot of the profit, a lot of onward connections to Australia. Sometimes the route is 744.



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User currently offlineJayce From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

I remember reading on here sometime last year about LAN possibly starting a YVR to South America service. Is there anything new on that front?


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User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

Any chance AM might launch MEX-YVR to compete with AC? How about an Asian carrier such as CX or KE adding a tag to MEX from YVR with fifth freedom rights?


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

TK is expecting Canadian Government approvl to launch YUL this year. After that TK will push for YVR and this may also turn out as a triangle flight between IST-YYC-YVR-IST or vice versa.

TK will bring serious comptetiton to LH, KL and BA from YVR to Eastern/Southern Europe, Africa, ME, and CIS and India. Good luck to all European airlines, TK will eat them alive with their supeior service to capture their connceting traffic to those areas in particular !!! TK' operates the best Premium Economy product in the world and is far better than their competitors Business Class. TK's Business Class is also much better than BA's First Class.

TK is already doing daily flights to YYZ with very high load factors ever since the route was launched 3 years ago and AC will also start serving IST in June thşs year with its own metal and also both TK and AC will codeshare their services.


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2984 times:

WS DH4 YVR to YYJ and YXJ starting this summer.

http://airlineroute.net/2013/02/11/ws-s13/


User currently offlineqblue From Canada, joined Jun 2004, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

I saw a mountain of dirt by Hotel and Victor are they building something there. Another large land clearing with lots of dump truck traffic I see by the Tempelton skytrain station what are they building there.

User currently offlineCPA62 From Canada, joined Jan 2012, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2683 times:

This want the mountain of dirt will eventually become:

Keeping a Competitive Edge

Vancouver Airport Authority is planning to develop a luxury designer outlet centre on Vancouver International Airport (YVR) land in partnership with London-based developer McArthurGlen Group, Europe’s leading owner, developer and manager of designer outlets.

The designer outlet centre would feature European and North American luxury, designer and mainstream brands. Phase One of the designer outlet centre is scheduled to open with 97 stores in the fall of 2014.


User currently offlineplanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6188 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2610 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 15):
YVR is definitely in a position where it suffers from higher taxes on travel and with a few close alternatives across the border. Its a great facility and city, but from an aviation perspective it is being disadvantaged by those factors listed above.
Quoting TheCol (Reply 16):
YVR seems to disagree with that assessment. The writing is on the wall, and there's a lot of noise being directed at Ottawa right now from YVR and various other airport authorities out West

Courtesy of Google...

http://www2.canada.com/vancouversun/...6f1132-d74e-4d59-9b1a-f59a6c8d817a

http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/C...llion+expansion/6858093/story.html

http://www.vancouversun.com/business...lure+travellers/7370506/story.html

http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/d...m+Seattle+worth/7777577/story.html

With new equipment coming and a presence in Plattsburgh and Niagara Falls/Buffalo, it is conceivable that G2 could even peel away some Montreal-Vancouver and Toronto-Vancouver traffic if they would start service from Plattsburgh and Niagara Falls/Buffalo to Bellingham in the future.



Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - A. Einstein
25 threepoint : YYZ lies pretty much underneath the great circle routes between most Asian and South American destinations, so YVR can't claim a geographical advanta
26 Viscount724 : Not just Japan-Peru. In addition to LIM, YVR is closer to the great circle route than YYZ to any points near the west coast of South America (e.g. BO
27 TheCol : It isn't just G4. AS is operating out of BLI as well.
28 YVRLTN : They did operate some charters for 2 or 3 years, though I dont think it was from MEX. Not sure how big the market is for competition. It didnt work o
29 EddieDude : Before the visa requirement was enacted, MX had more than daily service between MEX and YVR (9 or even 11 weeklies if I am not mistaken) with a mix o
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