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Small Aircraft Crashed In Charleroi (Belgium)  
User currently offlinesibille From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 483 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5386 times:

A small aircraft crashed this morning at Charleroi airport (Belgium). 5 peoples died (2 adultes + 3 children) and the airport is completly closed until at least 2:30 .
Seems it's a Cessna (type unknow) wich had an engine problem after take off. The pilot tried to come back at the airport and crashed near the runway.

[Edited 2013-02-09 02:26:43]

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User currently offlinebralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5261 times:

The airplane involved in the crash was an American registered Cessna P210N with registration N240PW

It should be this plane:


(c) abpic.co.uk

Still uncertain if 4 or 5 people died in the crash, both numbers have been mentioned in the media.

ASN list it with 5 pax on board, 2 adults and 3 children.


User currently offlinebralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5240 times:

It has been confirmed, 5 people killed in the crash. 2 adults and 3 children, a family living in Uccle (Brussels).

May they RIP.


User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 628 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4821 times:

Very sad day at CRL. May they all RIP.

CRL has been closed immediately after the crash and has just reopened (at about 16:00 local).

It's the first fatal accident involving CRL if I'm not mistaken (Sabena lost a 737-200 in 1978 after a bird strike during a training flight, without fatalities).

Regards
BrusselsSouth


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4777 times:

That's a turboprop conversion, wonder if it was mistakenly fueled with avgas.

Quoting sibille (Thread starter):
The pilot tried to come back at the airport and crashed near the runway.

If you had a dollar for every accident report that had those words....

RIP



The good old days: Delta L-1011s at MSY
User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1594 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4710 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 4):
That's a turboprop conversion, wonder if it was mistakenly fueled with avgas.

Shouldn't make a difference. If it burns, a turboprop will run. JetA in a piston is where the problems are.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4490 times:

Looks like grandfather at the controls, along with 3 small children and their mother, his daughter-in-law, very sad.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21393907

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=153183

Last hit on flightaware was going overseas in 2007,

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N240PW


Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 5):
Shouldn't make a difference. If it burns, a turboprop will run. JetA in a piston is where the problems are.

Thanks, did not know that.



The good old days: Delta L-1011s at MSY
User currently offlineSassiciai From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2013, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4490 times:

I remember during my early flying lessons, unannounced my instructor shut the throttle on our Cessna 152 at 1000feet just after take off, and asked me "Now what?". I think I panicked, and he took over control. But then he underlined in my mind - never try to do a 180 and land back, with no engine, it's not possible. Nose down, look ahead, choose a field, and make your normal landing preparations!

Turn back with no power is just not on!


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6808 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4340 times:

Too bad, such a sweet ride ! Kitted out left and right, pressurized, turbine, radar or lidar, probably glass cockpit to go with, leather...

RIP to the victims.

Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 3):
It's the first fatal accident involving CRL if I'm not mistaken

Doubt it, I'm sure it has had several similar ones.



New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3880 times:

On pprune, says an airport employee who helped board the plane says there was frost (ice) on the plane and pilot refused deicing offer, ASN report says freezing fog and temp -3C at time of crash.


The good old days: Delta L-1011s at MSY
User currently offlinea380900 From France, joined Dec 2003, 1117 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

I flew in a centurion 10 years ago as a passenger. A few months later, it crashed killing all aboard close to Bordeaux killing all aboard except one I think. I kind of remember this plane has had more than its share of trouble. Is that just an impression?

User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1142 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2880 times:

Quoting a380900 (Reply 10):
I flew in a centurion 10 years ago as a passenger. A few months later, it crashed killing all aboard close to Bordeaux killing all aboard except one I think. I kind of remember this plane has had more than its share of trouble. Is that just an impression?


Nothing wrong with Cessna 210s - like many high- performance singles, the skills to master them often exceed the abilities of those who can write the check big enough to afford them.


User currently offlineskygirl1990 From New Zealand, joined Jun 2010, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

Quoting Sassiciai (Reply 7):
I remember during my early flying lessons, unannounced my instructor shut the throttle on our Cessna 152 at 1000feet just after take off, and asked me "Now what?". I think I panicked, and he took over control. But then he underlined in my mind - never try to do a 180 and land back, with no engine, it's not possible. Nose down, look ahead, choose a field, and make your normal landing preparations!

Turn back with no power is just not on!

Not *quite* true. While it is not at all recommended it is possible. We had a successful one the other day after an actual EFATO and I have successfully managed one as well during a training FLWOP. But it is only worth it if there is no wind, a good sized runway (or very large field) and no other option. Oh and also being well aware of the dangers of doing it not even associated with trying to make the runway - for example low IAS, low altitude but a very high angle of bank (to 180) will bring you right to the edge of the stall and at that height, stall with an engine out and its over rover



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