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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 124  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12974 posts, RR: 15
Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 25598 times:

Welcome to thread #124, in 123 New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 123 (by SA7700 Jan 1 2013 in Civil Aviation) we learnt and discussed:

- JQ and international - domestic connections
- NZ and the chances of flying to small places like Picton, Stewart Island with a fleet of otters
- Air Chathams
- Q300/ATR schedules
- NZ B733/A320 schedules
- NZ new livery paint schedule
- ATRs on WLG-AKL when the 737s are retired?
- Could NZ be a launch customer for the proposed 90 seat ATR?
- TransAsia considering New Zealand services
- Ex Air Nelson GM goes to JQ
- AKL domestic getting.......another revamp
- NZ Q300 crash landing at BHE in 2011 report released
- NZ Y+ customer benefits
- Commerce Comminsion looking into NZs credit card fees

214 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1777 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 25614 times:

Continue from last thread, the NZ 77W seats are not that bad as long as you are not in an aisle seat, the difference between the 77W and 77E is hardly noticeable (except for the IFE) from a window seat. I would still choose a 10 across NZ 77E over the shell seats CX has on their 343. But then NZ would very likely put the 789 on AKL-HKG, so the product would definitely be better than CX until the 359 come.

User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7232 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks ago) and read 25500 times:

Suprised no one has mentioned that Grant Kerr, the GM of Air Nelson has left to take up a role as CEO of Jetstar NZ

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 27671 posts, RR: 81
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks ago) and read 25498 times:

From the last thread:

"Apparently not bookable yet; but it'll operate every Tuesday between the end of October and the end of March."

So - if I've got it right - it isn't year round yet, it isn't flying now, it will become year round after this winter season?



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6715 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 25437 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 3):

I think that's the deal - once it restarts over our winter, it'll just continue over our summer too. Sorry, can't post the link here (would have done so above if that was allowed) but if you know what site has all this route/GDS info, you'll find it there.

It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12974 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 25321 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 2):

Yes that was discussed in the previous thread and was covered in the last thread catch up in my opening post.

User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7232 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 25072 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):

My mistake


This has probably got more to do with politics than aviation, but the link is still there. I cannot imagine what NZ as a country will be like if this douche got his way with who can who can't fly

User currently offlinebonzolab From New Zealand, joined Jun 2012, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 24908 times:

Hi any info available on today's NZ99?

User currently offlinehaggis73 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2010, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 24881 times:

Quoting bonzolab (Reply 13):
Hi any info available on today's NZ99?

We were told it was cancelled due to a volcano erupting either in Japan or enroute.

[Edited 2013-02-11 21:27:03]

User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1867 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 24704 times:

''Wellington Airport is 'charging too much' - commission''

Wellington Airport is making too much money for the services it offers, according to the Commerce Commission.

A report from the commission says a reasonable return for the airport is between 7.1% and 8%, but its analysis shows over the next five years Wellington Airport's expected to make up to 15.2%.

This means it is likely to recover between $38 and $69 million more from consumers than it says is reasonable.


Vietnam time..
User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 24484 times:

Just wondering if anyone knows what the load factors are like on SQ298 out of CHC? Is there any online data available? Thanks

User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 24404 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 16):

Just wondering if anyone knows what the load factors are like on SQ298 out of CHC? Is there any online data available? Thanks

SQ are operating to CHC daily all year round now, this suggests they are fairly happy with the load factors.

User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 24275 times:

According to FR24 QF27 SYD-SCL is currently on approach to CHC.

User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 24208 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 18):
According to FR24 QF27 SYD-SCL is currently on approach to CHC.

Must be a medical or technical diversion. The aircraft was to the east of Dunedin when it showed up on FR24 heading back towards CHC.

User currently offlinenzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1553 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 23938 times:

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 19):
Must be a medical or technical diversion. The aircraft was to the east of Dunedin when it showed up on FR24 heading back towards CHC.

Yes it was a medical .

"Pride of the pacific"
User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6715 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 23872 times:

Looks like NZ is sending the 772 back on AKL-PPT.. The Monday flight will be a 772. Too late for K'man though I think..

It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 8299 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 23829 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 20):
muslim women wearing full face covering clothing shouldn't be allowed to fly I would agree with him

They are subject to the same screening as you and if they refuse then they are offloaded..... Face/Name Passport check downstairs, face/passport check by customs and then another face/name/boarding pass check at the gate. , I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to where what they like/feel comfortable in any more than those who choose to wear what is basically beach/sleeping attire can wear what they like, even if I personally think that both ridiculous and unsafe and think they should have to wear smart casual attire..as if they were going to a restaurant, not PJs or Jandals.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 22):
Looks like NZ is sending the 772 back on AKL-PPT

has been on and off for a while..

User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 23825 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 22):
Looks like NZ is sending the 772 back on AKL-PPT.. The Monday flight will be a 772. Too late for K'man though I think..

I've got into the habit of getting to PPT on Hawaiian Airlines, via Honolulu, either stand-alone or on the way back from the US mainland. Haven't done it on NZ for almost a year, and even when I did, I flew into PPT on Hawaiian and out to AKL on Air NZ.

The Business Class fares Australia-Tahiti on NZ remain competitive, but for me there are two deal-breakers:

1) Airpoints earning in Business Class is now derisory, although Status Points accrual is still fine.

2) The codeshare USA-Australia fares with a PPT stop on Air NZ are not viable. The fare levels are 50% higher than Trans-Pacific fares without a stopover, and whereas the "journey" concept used to mean that Airpoints and Status Credits were earned in both directions, now there is no recognition of the codeshared LAX-PPT sector.

I find it rather sad, to be honest. And anyway, the 777 needed to be on LAX-PPT, not PPT-AKL. That's where the volumes and the yields were and still are.

As I always used to write, they should have coordinated schedules between:

a 77E flying AKL-LAX-PPT-LAX-AKL
an A320 or 763 flying AKL-PPT-AKL.

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 27671 posts, RR: 81
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 23298 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 34):
You try sitting behind someone from Moscow to Vladivostok with an upset dog, it started whimpering and howling from take-off to landing, I wasn't the only person who would have happily strangled it.

In a long life-time of flying I think the times I've encountered a lapdog on a plane can be counted on the fingers of one hand and none of them were a problem.

As I tried to point out, I've had other misadventures on flights and none go them involved dogs or veiled women. I did get trapped by an over-zealous, bible bashing American woman who wanted me to embrace born-again on the plane. So I told her I'm unrepentently gay and she asked to change seats.

I'm sure many of us have "unfortunate other passenger" stories, but I'm not sure I'd want to live in your over-regulated world.


[Edited 2013-02-14 12:48:06]

aeternum nauta
User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 23011 times:

Well, my Air NZ mole (in sales, not strategy) thinks that there will be a dual model long-haul.

China and Japan will have a Jetstar International model (LCC plus Business recliners) while North America will "grow". Whatever that means.

Personally, I'd have liked to see the 789 used to make SFO, YVR and Houston daily, while either extending NZ5/6 from LAX to Manchester or NZ7/8 from SFO to Heathrow.

But the plan still seems to be to install a high-density configuration with China and Japan in mind.

User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 1036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 22994 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 45):
China and Japan will have a Jetstar International model (LCC plus Business recliners) while North America will "grow". Whatever that means.

If that was really the case, that would mean dual configuration to the same aircraft type? Would that really be a good idea for aircraft usage and rotation? 767 won't stay long so I can't see how that will work.

User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 22956 times:

Beyond Australia made sense.

Half a decade ago.

User currently offline777er From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12974 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 22871 times:

Please keep this thread on topic and not turn it into an anti muslim thread. I've just deleted over 20 replys due to replys being off topic and political. These threads are a fantastic way to discuss New Zealand aviation movements, NZ, JQ, QF, EK etc etc etc ops in NZL so lets keep it that way.

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 27671 posts, RR: 81
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 22750 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 21):
Beyond Australia made sense.

Half a decade ago.

I think it makes sense now, K'man, it's just that we - you and I - have diametrically different views of it.

You want the high-concept glitzy routes to the glam cities with snazzy widebodies. That's fine and I mostly leave all that to you.

I'm a workhorse. I am interested in the almost completely ignored (by Aussie airlines) routes to "nearer Asia" - and probably with the A320.


aeternum nauta
User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 3062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 22667 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 23):
I'm a workhorse. I am interested in the almost completely ignored (by Aussie airlines) routes to "nearer Asia" - and probably with the A320.

Indonesia? Philippines? That could be a very interesting option though I believe the Indonesians had a hostile view of the Virgin operations to their country for a while because of their use of PacBlue NZ aircraft and crews, for some convoluted offence New Zealand had caused (hence the few aircraft with 'Airline of Virgin Blue' that operated for a while).

Not sure if that was specific to Virgin or a broader swipe at New Zealand, and whether the mood had since changed.

25 mariner : Sure, and Malaysia - Borneo and Penang. I don't know the state of the bilaterals - not my area - but I am told that all the Australian allocation to
26 Andrensn : Is there a reliable source on the internet that can show me which gates flights at AKL use. Any help is much appreciated
27 WSTAKL : What is the state of play regarding the much talked about northern runway at AKL? Is this still in the works or are the authorities still stuck in the
28 ZKSUJ : I think it's just like the new domestic terminal. AKL really need it but it's on the back burner for 'later'. I know the domestic terminal is getting
29 ZK-NBT : Which flights? International or domestic? Not to many use the same gate I wouldn't think not sure these days. SQ285/6 often uses Pier B and the US bo
30 Kaiarahi : This has been one of my pet peeves for a while, but now it looks like NZ is absolutely gouging PE pax on N.American connections. I was looking at PE f
31 NZ107 : Well they kinda need it if they're going to start building the new domestic terminal - they need to coincide the opening of the new runway with the n
32 ZKSUJ : That would make sense to me aswell. Bit strange having the 2nd runway primarily for domestic traffic to the north of the airfield when most flights c
33 NZ107 : Probably more resource consent issues too.. Although the noise issue would be less of a problem and they shouldn't be restricted to the length either
34 aerorobnz : PR have just announced MNL-DRW-BNE with A320. I think this opens up a very interesting possibility for AKL if PR are game (though several Reps told m
35 mariner : That's the sort of route I was talking about. DRW is the obvious choice for 'nearer Asia' flights, although CNS would work for some - eastern nearer
36 Andrensn : Ideally international but domestic would also be helpful. I know AKL doesn't show gates on their website like at CHC but is there really no other sou
37 777ER : I know what your talking about! When I was booking my USA flights for December/January last year I decided to book the WLG-AKL-LAX sector using airpo
38 Kaiarahi : I haven't looked at the mandate of the NZL Commerce Commission, but if this were happening in Canada (400% markup on connections to a long-haul secto
39 Kaiarahi : I probably should clarify, as my previous post became garbled: The NZ PE fare for YOW-AKL-YOW is $5144, almost $2000 more than the same flights in the
40 aerorobnz : Me. lol It changes on a daily basis based on overall capacity, number of A380s on ground, overall widebody/narrowbody. some aircraft types can't go o
41 cchan : Is there a list of these somewhere? Thanks.
42 Post contains links 777ER : Interesting post in 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13 (by iowaman Jan 14 2013 in Civil Aviation) about the first B787-9 Back to the 787-9, the li
43 Post contains links 777way : Uzbekistan airways are to fly two charters to CHC http://airlineroute.net/2013/02/19/hy-chc-apr13/
44 Post contains links zkojq : Looks like us Aucklanders will get to see Fiji Airways' A330s five times a week. Details here: http://www.airpacific.com/about-us/n...ease-flights-wit
45 Post contains links ZKOJH : ''Auckland Airport earnings jump'' Auckland International Airport, the nations busiest gateway, posted an 11% increase in first-half profit and lifted
46 777ER : Just read an e-mail from NZ about the NZ/CX alliance as its now 'live' regarding airpoints/status points earning. Heres a bit from the e-mail Regardle
47 xiaotung : As long as you book the flight with NZ flight number even if it's operated by CX, you will earn based on the NZ earn table and Status Points. This is
48 777ER : Cool, thanks. Seems theres also a bit of confussion with the VA codeshares as it was also talked about in the Airpoints e-mail
49 Post contains links and images Andrensn : Does anyone know what this private jet has been doing in Nelson lately. View Large View MediumPhoto © Mario Borg Olivier Just as in this photo it has
50 zkncj : Maybe about to get refitted by Altitude?
51 Post contains links NZ107 : http://mrcaviation.blogspot.co.nz/20...ternational-arrival-at-nelson.html - could be just a huge winery tour or something..
52 alangirvan : Noting the threads about the BA/CX codeshares on routes between UK and Australia - I think BA has done a codeshare on HKG-AKL - is that still current?
53 xiaotung : I doubt it given NZ is still pursuing VS codeshare with codeshare on VS new UK domestic routes coming soon.
54 NZ107 : LA, BA and now NZ codeshare on CX's AKL-HKG flight.
55 xiaotung : In the latest NZ survey, the following cities are listed and respondents are asked how much they would be interested if they were offered by NZ. I ass
56 motorhussy : Do LA codeshare on the NZ metal flights from AKL-HKG now? And conversely, NZ on the LA flights to SCL?
57 deconz : No! LA codeshare with CX AKL/HKG/AKL and CX with LA AKL/SCL/AKL as they are both One World carriers. Why would LA also want/need to codeshare with NZ
58 NZ107 : Also the timing of the CX flights is far more suited to the LA codeshare - I wouldn't imagine wanting to arrive from SCL at 0430 and have to wait 19
59 Post contains links 777ER : Link to this survey please? HA is adding more frequency's to SYD, BNE and AKL during the American Fall break (our spring) http://www.staradvertiser.c
60 Post contains links xiaotung : www.airnzmyvoice.co.nz. Not sure if you will get the same survey though as mine was sent to my email with a direct link.
61 Post contains images aerokiwi : It's a welcome relief from the mish mash they had before. And, shudder, Rico. I really like the lady elf in the Hobbit one. Presents a pretty classy
62 ZKSUJ : Why they keep changing safety videos is beyond me, just make a good one and stick to it I reckon. These 'funny videos' have had their novelty worn off
63 NZ107 : Say that to the rest of the world's population then - I had at least 15 friends sharing the video today.. Different story if you see them again and a
64 sunrisevalley : What does it cost them per share to service their debt? So far as I can tell they have about 1,323,000 shares outstanding . Is this right?
65 aklrno : I think novelty is the whole point. Most people who have flown half a dozen times, let alone hundreds of times pay no attention at all to the safety
66 aerorobnz : They are brand awareness in lieu of more expensive forms of advertising. 2-1 if you will.
67 Mr AirNZ : Announced this morning in the half year results (amonst other things) "Backing up the airline's confidence in its future, the company will lease two a
68 Post contains links mariner : Done. Although - for me - the more interesting thing was the greatly improved profit: http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/air-n...earnings-more-300-percen
69 zkncj : So the 2x remaining 744s will be replaced be 77W next year instead on 789s?
70 Mr AirNZ : Luxon made it quite clear in the press conference these extra 77W aircraft are for growth and not as an insurance policy on the 789. The first of the
71 mariner : I guess. I leave all that to the Aircraft Wallahs. But given those numbers I think the departed Mr. Fyfe deserves a cheer or three. mariner
72 sunrisevalley : Does this mean EZE or GRU ? Perhaps not coincidentally, it is about then that NZ's 77W's will qualify for EDTO 330 min.
73 Mr AirNZ : I too hope something like that is the case
74 NZ107 : Interestingly, delivery is slated for one in 2014 and the other in 2015 - so we'll still be waiting for 2+ years for this new route.
75 aerorobnz : Having spent a very happy month here in South America, and having passed through both airports (along with 5 others within Sth Am) I'm hoping so fina
76 koruman : @aerorobnz There already is a Star Alliance option. I fly NZ to LAX, then Copa to Brazil or Uruguay, and their Business Class recliners go for around
77 aerorobnz : agreed it is technically an option and I did look at it seriously, but I'm not so interested in 2x 7h+ sectors in a row in a 737 meaning it can only
78 NZ1 : The extra 77W's (OKR and OKS) are undeed for growth as per the announcement this morning and NOT to allow the retirement of the 744. In fact OKR is sc
79 xiaotung : NZ started PEK just before the Olympics. If that had anything to do with management decision making, Brazil is hosting both the next World Cup and Ol
80 sunrisevalley : So far as I know the RR /77E combination is still awaiting > EDTO 180 minute certification from the FAA. Until this happens it is a non-starter on
81 PA515 : Not correct. One in FY14 and the other in FY15 does mean both can be delivered in 2014 as FY15 is 01 Jul 2014 to 30 Jun 2015. The first 789 is now FY
82 aerokiwi : Indeed. Credit where it's due. Though I do think Luxon's focus on domestic should reap the rewards. Interesting times then. Could this herald the int
83 NZ107 : Ahh right, I overread the whole financial year thing.
84 koruman : The 77W is too big for most new routes. I would use the 77E or 789 or even the 77L for new routes. Otherwise there will be a cycle of discounting to i
85 Post contains links mariner : Mayhap. But there is one footnote which has been overlooked: http://www.travelweekly.com.au/trave...rnational-profit-helps-lift-air-nz "Long haul yie
86 Post contains links ZKSUJ : Great result for NZ, hope to see this get better in future. NZ have introduced a 'fare hold fee' as well where you can pay a small fee to hold your fa
87 aerokiwi : It's also the most fickle. But a solid achievement nonetheless. What concerns me is that when things are profitable, the airline has a tendency (or i
88 NZ107 : Time to paint more black planes.. In fact, just change the livery to black.
89 Post contains images ZKSUJ : I hope not urgggh...
90 NZ1 : Funny you should mention that, word around the hangar at the moment is that there has been a hold put on painting anymore aircraft or aicraft tails b
91 Post contains links mariner : If it is the nature of the beast, then there isn't a lot they can do about it - except attend to costs. There has been a fair amount written about th
92 ZKSUJ : Music to our ears lol
93 rjm717 : I flew NZ SYD-AKL-SFO and return J class in Nov and watched three different safety videos, including the Hobbit, on 4 flights. They were entertaining
94 NZ107 : Haha, it took a change in the CEO to bring about a thought which has circulated around here ever since the introduction of the new livery. Bring back
95 ZKSUJ : Agree with you there. elegant and simple IMO I've heard the term 'cheap' used a few times to describe it. Either way, it's good if it is being recons
96 Post contains links ZKOJH : go from great news today to this; ''Air NZ pilot fell into 'deep sleep' in flight deck'' An Air New Zealand pilot fell into a "deep sleep" in the flig
97 motorhussy : Funny turn of phrase. I would have said he fell asleep 'spontaneously' and that he awoke 'unprompted'; 'nodding off' suggests a rather casual and rel
98 NZ107 : tbh, it was fossicked out from the official information act and happened in Nov 2011. The media love twisting things to their liking and there's a 3r
99 Post contains links PA515 : Air NZ should have achieved EDTO 330 with the 77W by now. This 12 Dec 2011 Boeing media release says the FAA has approved EDTO 330 for the 777-300ER
100 sunrisevalley : True. But the operational constraints laid down in the EDTO standards are pretty confining especially since the only alternate is IPC . What happens
101 gasman : Could this be all about trying to wrangle better accommodation in London? Didn't it get downgraded a few years ago and there was some angst over it?
102 Mr AirNZ : [quote=gasman,reply=101[/quote] The current hotel in London changed not too long ago. I have friends who say there. Good location, no complaints so no
103 Post contains images aerokiwi : Good god I hope so. Pleeeeeeease let this be so! Infotainment
104 Post contains links ZKSUJ : I know. If in fact this roumer is true then kudos to the new CEO for listening to staff/public opinion More bad publicity for JQ, not letting the sha
105 Post contains links xiaotung : Today in the Sydney Morning Herald, NZ and VA are considering adding Pacific Island routes to the alliance. Time must fly. They are up for the 3 year
106 Post contains images zkojq : Interesting to note that Air New Zealand's 787s are going to come from the Charleston plant. I wonder if this is something they chose, or Boeing decid
107 Post contains links PA515 : Page 8 of the 2013 Interim Report (page 10 of the pdf. document); '6. Operating Lease Commitments', says the two additional 77W's will be delivered in
108 haggis73 : Any idea who they are leasing them from? I see ALC has just placed an order for 10 77W from Boeing, I wonder if 2 of them are for NZ.
109 777er : I really like the silver fern against the black livery. The silver fern to me represents New Zealand 100% more then the colour black! Maybe some how
110 NZ107 : Or seeing how they ditched the Pacific Wave, put the fern where the Pacific Wave used to be. It'd at least break the white up..
111 777er : And keep the black tail? Wonder how well the silver fern would go against a white body, paint it dark silver?
112 HLZCPH : I still think a retro scheme (DC8 style) would be good on one of the coming aircraft. And bring back some teal for the others!
113 sunrisevalley : [quote=haggis73,reply=108]I see ALC has just placed an order for 10 77W from Boeing, I wonder if 2 of them are for NZ. Given the size of the 77W order
114 PA515 : ALC have issued a Press Release, they are leasing two 77W's to Air NZ. However it's not clear if these are from the latest order for 10 or the 5 orde
115 Post contains links sunrisevalley : Not much. Maybe 20 to 30-min on some days.I believe it added another alternate , perhaps LAP in the southern end of the Baja The following link illus
116 sunrisevalley : Another piece of FWIW I checked FlightAware flight plans for LAX-AKL-LAX for NZ 1/2 5/6 flights. At the equator the cross over points ranged from 150
117 timb777 : I flew this route in Nov and the aircraft was at about 90% load factor & again last month and the aircraft had every seat taken in both Y & J
118 cchan : Would someone be able to provide an update for upcoming NZ aircraft deliveries and retirements for 2013? Thanks.
119 HLZCPH : I see on planespotters.net that NGE is stored in CHC, since 10/1/13. Does anyone know where she goes to next?
120 timb777 : Anyone know what NZ's first long haul 787 route into or from CHC will be? Presumably it will be from Japan? Anything new on the horizon?
121 koruman : I don't think so. My understanding is that the entire 787-9 fleet is currently intended to serve routes between Auckland and China in a high-density
122 byronicle6 : Sorry if this has been previously discussed but is JQ ending AKL-SIN services as it doesnt seem to be bookable past OCT 2013
123 sunrisevalley : Any ideas on what the configuration will be?
124 ZKOJH : If all goes to plan and the 787's arrive next year they will be doing the PVG and Japan routes Bali and might even send it to HKG now the route doesn'
125 sunrisevalley : My view is that the 77E would be best suited to develope any new routes. A difficulty is that to the best of my knowledge the (RR/PW) /77E engine/air
126 timb777 : Interesting, in that case the configuration presumably won't be suitable for premium heavy HNL / North America....?
127 777ER : I could see the high config B787s serving HNL since its more a leisure/tourist destination then the mainland USA market which is more a business mark
128 nzrich : If the 787 replaces the 767 for NZ then one could imagine PPT getting the 787 also .
129 motorhussy : Where did you glean this understanding from and can you elaborate please? Are you talking Y+ and Y only for example? I thought it was likely there wa
130 ZKOJH : With today of BA releasing start up dates for the A380's between LHR & LAX (start Oct 15) should NZ have anything to worry about? Now they have ju
131 PA515 : From the Air NZ Investor Day Presentation 25 Nov 2011, page 76: The first three 787-9's are due in the 2014 part of FY 2015, but they can't be used f
132 Post contains links NZ107 : Qatar eyeing flights to NZ Interesting! Wonder what this will mean.. Flights from Asia or a tag on from PER/MEL? Surely not a non-stop..
133 sunrisevalley : They have 77L's so it is a possibility but I would think the route might be a little thin . They should get close to max volume limited payload westb
134 NZ107 : I get the feeling that EK would operate non-stop AKL-DXB if there was demand for it.. And I just don't expect there to be enough demand to warrant QR
135 sunrisevalley : They too have 77L's and probably are close to having enough traffic . They could set a non stop fare attractive enough to entice CHC'ers to pick up t
136 aerorobnz : I reckon it would be a 332 via Asia somewhere.
137 ZKOJH : Now that TAM will leave star alliance in 2014 to move into ONEWORLD, is there still a need for NZ to be looking at opening up a route to south America
138 sunrisevalley : NZ has a history of creating business arrangements with carriers irrespective of which alliance they belong. That TAM is leaving * is in my view some
139 777ER : When did NZ stop the 'Night rider' service between WLG and AKL? Just been looking for fares to AKL for next Saturday and noticed theres no more night
140 NZ107 : Still there.. Probably sold out. Take a peek into May and you'll find the Night Rider still there.
141 PA515 : They were advertising the $29 nightrider on TV last night, but it could be the last flight of the day Mon - Fri only. PA515
142 nzrich : No it is daily last flight of the day in both directions . If it does not show up when booking then its sold out !!
143 ZKSUJ : As others have said it's very popular as is known to be sold out quite a while in advance
144 777ER : Thanks everyone. Havn't noticed it as an option in the flight search the past several times I've been looking at fares. Since its so popular, is NZ c
145 aerorobnz : No, as it is a 733 positioning flight for the following day's ops.
146 NZ107 : But if it's one from AKL and also one from WLG or a return service of one plane, I don't see how it's a positioning flight?
147 PA515 : Regarding deliveries; ATR72-600 ZK-MVC is due this month and could be c/n 1079 F-WWEP which flew unpainted on the 7th March with grey engine nacelles
148 Post contains images deconz : I did see it one day last week (think WLG/AKL) operated by A320 on FR24
149 Mr AirNZ : Other than a total cabin rejig to remove the PTV's etc to keep non essential weight down on shorter flights. The OX* series aircraft are coming as 71
150 HLZCPH : Perhaps it would be a viable option to retofit sharklets onto the OJ series machines instead? I read somewhere it would be possible, with few mods, o
151 NZ1 : These are not positioning flights. No plans to upgrade to an A320 at present, unless there are no 733 aircraft due to technical issues etc. NZ1
152 ZKSUJ : I was wondering the same thing. Would be interesting to see
153 777ER : NZ1 did say in the previous thread that the black tail livery has been put on hold pending a review or something so has the review seen the blue tail
154 PA515 : Also, I believe ATR72-600 ZK-MVD is due in September. PA515
155 SCL767 : LATAM routes pax traveling between South America and Australasia via the SCL hub. Why would LATAM want to divert traffic away from the SCL hub and vi
156 sunrisevalley : So what you are saying is that there is considerable work to be done to get feeds into place.
157 NZ1 : A bit of a rundown on fleet deliveries coming up for those who are interested. ATR72-600 ZK-MVC - Apr 2013 ZK-MVD - Sep 2013 ZK-MVE - Sep 2014 ZK-MVF
158 kiwirob : Why no NZA or NZB?
159 SXI899 : NZA already belongs to a Piper PA-32, and I suspect that NZB won't be used due to the history of that reg within ANZ. Yorden
160 PA515 : Thanks, always interested. Any news on the five ATR72-600 options? Any idea what Boeing would be testing after the first 789 is delivered? PA515
161 Post contains links mariner : There's an extension of the Air NZ financial results here, directed to talk of the future: http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/busine...h-potential-in-asia-
162 Kaiarahi : It takes a couple of months to reconfigure them from test frames to "deliverable" aircraft.
163 NZ107 : You'd certainly hope so.. They've had years to think of a contingency. I wonder what the lease market is like and how readily available 772s/763s are
164 HALFA : Hi Everyone! Just wanted to let my Kiwi friends know that Hawaiian Airlines Inaugural flight from HNL to AKL will arrive in AKL this Thursday, March 1
165 NZ107 : I'll try my best. Hopefully it'll be on time and not early/too late!
166 NZ1 : Will be good to have 2 HA aircraft in AKL at the same time. An A330 at the Terminal and 767-300 N582HA at the Maintenace Base undergoing a C Check. N
167 Post contains links mariner : Brazil, anyone?: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA130...agreement-with-brazil-welcomed.htm "Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee today welcomed the Prime
168 777ER : Thanks the excellent summary Mike! Any ideas yet on -OXAs first operational route/first route to/from WLG? Would be even better if NZ could park the
169 duff : I hear rumblings around the Air NZ traps that we might be seeing a couple of 788's next year. Anyone else heard this?
170 aotearoa : 787-8s.......I would be extremely surprised. The airline already has its hands full trying to train enough flight crew for the entry into sevice progr
171 777ER : 787-8s as interim lift maybe till the -9s start arriving to enable expansion, but which airline would they be coming from?
172 NZ107 : Where are they going to be from? Has someone recently cancelled orders high up the waiting list?
173 sunrisevalley : I am sure Boeing has some slack in their schedule and there are carriers who may wish to forgo 788's at this time for 789's later on. They would be i
174 duff : I should emphasise that these are rumours. I thought it was worth asking because I have heard this info from a couple of sources. I have no idea where
175 kiwirob : There was an engine from NZB stored at Auckland Museum for a time, I don't know if it still there, it was never on public display.
176 viasa : What will happen to the ATR72-500 of Mount Cook?
177 cchan : Thank you for the information. Any info on retirements as well? Some 737s will probably leave the fleet this year?
178 NZ107 : Nothing. The -600s were bought to increase the fleet size and not to replace any -500s yet.
179 ZKSUJ : They can't ramp it up any more is my understanding. It's pretty close to MAX at the moment
180 777ER : Fair Go tonight at 7.30pm on TV1 features a complaint about NZs 'cuddle class'
181 Post contains links and images NZ107 : Well, the Hawaiian Airlines landing was timed to perfection. Fantastic weather for the earlier arrival! Hawaiian Airlines Airbus A330-200 by ANZ787900
182 HALFA : Great photos! Thank you so much for taking them and posting them! Aloha, HALFA
183 motorhussy : Jeepers Jerry, Brazil isn't just touted to become one, it IS one of the world’s most powerful emerging economies. If NZ do start flights to Brasil,
184 sunrisevalley : What does the present air services agreement dating back to about 1985 allow ?
185 WSTAKL : Nice photos! Lighting in the first one certainly is perfect on an even better livery! Was this taken from the top of the domestic terminal carpark? H
186 777ER : Yes those photos are from the Domestic car park building. The view from the top of the car park is EXCELLENT! Way better views then from the Air NZ e
187 aerorobnz : Positives - It is better for 05R movements than most spots at AKL and allows you both take off and landing shots without glass. - It's most certainly
188 Post contains links and images NZ107 : My pet peeves of the spot! If only the control tower was open to the public Though there are times when you can have a near empty terminal and a huge
189 Post contains images zkojq : Keep in mind that it is a (purpously) loss-making route. Adding more capacity is potentially cannibalising passengers from the profitable (normally p
190 PA515 : AR had local traffic AKL-SYD-AKL, so reciprocal rights would permit NZ to fly EZE-GRU-EZE or EZE-GIG-EZE. There was some news footage of John Key in
191 Post contains links mariner : I like to give myself a trip somewhere warm in July and I've been thinking about where to go this year - Broome, Darwin, or somewhere more exotic, Vie
192 aerorobnz : I flew a very tired UA 744 to SGN 3 years ago, was available then, probably just a restritive site. Plenty of asian airline partners since then too l
193 mariner : It was the Air New Zealand website. mariner
194 KiwiRob : Since there were 4 of them, they might have one each.
195 Post contains links A330NZ : http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel...rgency-landing-at-Auckland-airport Thai Airways had an emergency landing with a blown tyre landing into AKL thi
196 Post contains links 777ER : Hawaiian Airlines has launched its service between New Zealand and the Pacific holiday mecca with the first flight landing in Auckland last night. The
197 Post contains links NZ107 : NZ Herald says engine trouble.. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10871778 And I noticed on FR24 right at the time of
198 aklrno : Regarding blown tire at AKL, Auckland Herald reported it as a blown gear. Made me think of transmission parts strewn down the runway.
199 aerorobnz : Aircraft blew a tyre out of BKK, put on localised standby priority which clears all other traffic etc. The concern I understand that the second tyre
200 NZ107 : Thanks, makes more sense. Good to know it made it safely and there wasn't too much of a delay in AKL.
201 nzrich : Yes we were caught up in that delay circling in the air . Quite a weird feeling being up in the air hearing about a possible emergency where your supp
202 nz2 : Hi guys, I have booked a trip to SYD for the Bledisloe Cup in AUG and a mate has just told me he will come also but will go Biz to get some extra stat
203 Post contains images airportugal310 : Great photos thank you for sharing. A lot of hard work went into making this happen! Keep em coming
204 NZ107 : First of all, you'll need to have a Works Deluxe ticket.. Then I don't know what the situation would be from there. Good luck! Cheers, glad you enjoy
205 koruman : NZ2, it's unpredictable because they use different inventory. Firstly, you need to buy at least Seat plus Bag. Secondly, I'd go OneUp, and bid over $4
206 NZ107 : Looks like the once weekly AKL-DPS over the summer has gone from the GDS..
207 Post contains links Andrensn : Do we need tighter controls at airports in NZ considering what this man attempted to do? http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...an-hoped-to-crash-plan
208 ZKSUJ : I'm very suprised to see a Q would be used on the route, although the Q will only be used on Sunday while the B1900 does the double daily weekday run
209 aerokiwi : Yeah, the NZ website is pretty restrictive when it comes to booking flights to destinations a little outta the way (but, you know, have either great
210 PA515 : A twice daily HLZ-PMR-NSN return with a Q300 would be about right. Combining the existing twice daily HLZ-PMR return 1900D pax with existing HLZ-WLG-
211 ZKSUJ : It's the 1900 twice daily on weekdays with the single Q300 flight on sundays. The 1900 flights continue to WLG in the afternoon
212 Mr AirNZ : The upgauge as part of this trial actually involves a Q300 operating the first BHE-WLG and last WLG-BHE of the day. This freed up a 1900D to try some
213 PA515 : Appreciate that, but after the trial it could be implemented as suggested. When NSN-PMR was previously operated with a 1900D starting the day in NSN,
214 Post contains links NZ1 : Please continue discussion here: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 125 (by NZ1 Mar 19 2013 in Civil Aviation) NZ1 Forum Moderator
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