- JQ and international - domestic connections
- NZ and the chances of flying to small places like Picton, Stewart Island with a fleet of otters
- Air Chathams
- Q300/ATR schedules
- NZ B733/A320 schedules
- NZ new livery paint schedule
- ATRs on WLG-AKL when the 737s are retired?
- Could NZ be a launch customer for the proposed 90 seat ATR?
- TransAsia considering New Zealand services
- Ex Air Nelson GM goes to JQ
- AKL domestic getting.......another revamp
- NZ Q300 crash landing at BHE in 2011 report released
- NZ Y+ customer benefits
- Commerce Comminsion looking into NZs credit card fees
cchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1700 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 19498 times:
Continue from last thread, the NZ 77W seats are not that bad as long as you are not in an aisle seat, the difference between the 77W and 77E is hardly noticeable (except for the IFE) from a window seat. I would still choose a 10 across NZ 77E over the shell seats CX has on their 343. But then NZ would very likely put the 789 on AKL-HKG, so the product would definitely be better than CX until the 359 come.
I think that's the deal - once it restarts over our winter, it'll just continue over our summer too. Sorry, can't post the link here (would have done so above if that was allowed) but if you know what site has all this route/GDS info, you'll find it there.
This has probably got more to do with politics than aviation, but the link is still there. I cannot imagine what NZ as a country will be like if this douche got his way with who can who can't fly
ZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1499 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 18588 times:
''Wellington Airport is 'charging too much' - commission''
Wellington Airport is making too much money for the services it offers, according to the Commerce Commission.
A report from the commission says a reasonable return for the airport is between 7.1% and 8%, but its analysis shows over the next five years Wellington Airport's expected to make up to 15.2%.
This means it is likely to recover between $38 and $69 million more from consumers than it says is reasonable.
CHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 161 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18288 times:
Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 16):
Just wondering if anyone knows what the load factors are like on SQ298 out of CHC? Is there any online data available? Thanks
SQ are operating to CHC daily all year round now, this suggests they are fairly happy with the load factors.
nzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1487 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 17822 times:
Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 19): Must be a medical or technical diversion. The aircraft was to the east of Dunedin when it showed up on FR24 heading back towards CHC.
aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6320 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 17713 times:
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 20): muslim women wearing full face covering clothing shouldn't be allowed to fly I would agree with him
They are subject to the same screening as you and if they refuse then they are offloaded..... Face/Name Passport check downstairs, face/passport check by customs and then another face/name/boarding pass check at the gate. , I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to where what they like/feel comfortable in any more than those who choose to wear what is basically beach/sleeping attire can wear what they like, even if I personally think that both ridiculous and unsafe and think they should have to wear smart casual attire..as if they were going to a restaurant, not PJs or Jandals.
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 22): Looks like NZ is sending the 772 back on AKL-PPT
koruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 2979 posts, RR: 6 Reply 17, posted (3 months 4 days ago) and read 17709 times:
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 22): Looks like NZ is sending the 772 back on AKL-PPT.. The Monday flight will be a 772. Too late for K'man though I think..
I've got into the habit of getting to PPT on Hawaiian Airlines, via Honolulu, either stand-alone or on the way back from the US mainland. Haven't done it on NZ for almost a year, and even when I did, I flew into PPT on Hawaiian and out to AKL on Air NZ.
The Business Class fares Australia-Tahiti on NZ remain competitive, but for me there are two deal-breakers:
1) Airpoints earning in Business Class is now derisory, although Status Points accrual is still fine.
2) The codeshare USA-Australia fares with a PPT stop on Air NZ are not viable. The fare levels are 50% higher than Trans-Pacific fares without a stopover, and whereas the "journey" concept used to mean that Airpoints and Status Credits were earned in both directions, now there is no recognition of the codeshared LAX-PPT sector.
I find it rather sad, to be honest. And anyway, the 777 needed to be on LAX-PPT, not PPT-AKL. That's where the volumes and the yields were and still are.
As I always used to write, they should have coordinated schedules between:
a 77E flying AKL-LAX-PPT-LAX-AKL
an A320 or 763 flying AKL-PPT-AKL.
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22698 posts, RR: 88 Reply 18, posted (3 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 17182 times:
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 34): You try sitting behind someone from Moscow to Vladivostok with an upset dog, it started whimpering and howling from take-off to landing, I wasn't the only person who would have happily strangled it.
In a long life-time of flying I think the times I've encountered a lapdog on a plane can be counted on the fingers of one hand and none of them were a problem.
As I tried to point out, I've had other misadventures on flights and none go them involved dogs or veiled women. I did get trapped by an over-zealous, bible bashing American woman who wanted me to embrace born-again on the plane. So I told her I'm unrepentently gay and she asked to change seats.
I'm sure many of us have "unfortunate other passenger" stories, but I'm not sure I'd want to live in your over-regulated world.
koruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 2979 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16895 times:
Well, my Air NZ mole (in sales, not strategy) thinks that there will be a dual model long-haul.
China and Japan will have a Jetstar International model (LCC plus Business recliners) while North America will "grow". Whatever that means.
Personally, I'd have liked to see the 789 used to make SFO, YVR and Houston daily, while either extending NZ5/6 from LAX to Manchester or NZ7/8 from SFO to Heathrow.
But the plan still seems to be to install a high-density configuration with China and Japan in mind.
xiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 676 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16878 times:
Quoting koruman (Reply 45): China and Japan will have a Jetstar International model (LCC plus Business recliners) while North America will "grow". Whatever that means.
If that was really the case, that would mean dual configuration to the same aircraft type? Would that really be a good idea for aircraft usage and rotation? 767 won't stay long so I can't see how that will work.
777er From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11307 posts, RR: 17 Reply 22, posted (3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 16755 times:
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Please keep this thread on topic and not turn it into an anti muslim thread. I've just deleted over 20 replys due to replys being off topic and political. These threads are a fantastic way to discuss New Zealand aviation movements, NZ, JQ, QF, EK etc etc etc ops in NZL so lets keep it that way.
aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2410 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16551 times:
Quoting mariner (Reply 23): I'm a workhorse. I am interested in the almost completely ignored (by Aussie airlines) routes to "nearer Asia" - and probably with the A320.
Indonesia? Philippines? That could be a very interesting option though I believe the Indonesians had a hostile view of the Virgin operations to their country for a while because of their use of PacBlue NZ aircraft and crews, for some convoluted offence New Zealand had caused (hence the few aircraft with 'Airline of Virgin Blue' that operated for a while).
Not sure if that was specific to Virgin or a broader swipe at New Zealand, and whether the mood had since changed.
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22698 posts, RR: 88 Reply 25, posted (3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16603 times:
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 24): Indonesia? Philippines? That could be a very interesting option though I believe the Indonesians had a hostile view of the Virgin operations to their country for a while because of their use of PacBlue NZ aircraft and crews, for some convoluted offence New Zealand had caused (hence the few aircraft with 'Airline of Virgin Blue' that operated for a while).
Sure, and Malaysia - Borneo and Penang.
I don't know the state of the bilaterals - not my area - but I am told that all the Australian allocation to Indonesia are being used. I don't know how the NZ bilaterals stand.
Even so, I am really quite shocked at how the Australian airlines ignore Lombok (what Bali used to be), Balikpapan (oil industry and historical WW2 associations), Penang (massive hi tech behind the beaches), Kota Kinabalu (it's got it all, including the rainforests) and I'd love to see any airline fly to the southern Philippines - there's more to that country than Manila.
There are others - Pulau didn't work when Strategic flew it with the A330 (duh!) but there is a market (many Japanese), and probably from CNS or TSV. Jayapura, in West Papua, has no airline service to Oz. And speaking of Papua (New Guinea), the Oz airlines all go through Port Moresby, there's nothing to Lae or Rabaul or Madang
I doubt any of these would work as daily non-stops from the big eastern cities, but many of them could by flown with the A320 from DRW (or CNS/TSV for Pulau/PNG) and it is possible that there are a couple of potential routes from PHE or KTA, both at the epicentre of the resources industry which has no airline business connections except to backtrack through PER.
Throughout the world, airlines tend to fly to their nearest neighbours, but Australia seems still stuck in the long-haul hang-up, with Jetstar making only a minor dent in this at DRW, and only to the obvious suspects.
WSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 50 posts, RR: 0 Reply 27, posted (3 months 2 days ago) and read 16669 times:
What is the state of play regarding the much talked about northern runway at AKL? Is this still in the works or are the authorities still stuck in the discussion process?
With a handful of international carriers expressing interest in services to AKL I wonder if things may progress more quickly due to possible congestion issues.
I remember a few years ago there were issues regarding the eventual removal of old Maori grave sites, but since then haven't heard much else.
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6929 posts, RR: 10 Reply 28, posted (3 months 2 days ago) and read 16650 times:
Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 27): With a handful of international carriers expressing interest in services to AKL I wonder if things may progress more quickly due to possible congestion issues.
I think it's just like the new domestic terminal. AKL really need it but it's on the back burner for 'later'. I know the domestic terminal is getting another upgrade but the lack of gate space in the is shocking at many times, pays to start with the new terminal that has more gates before it gets too bad. Same goes for the runway but I think they are happy with being more reactive than proactive in these matters
ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5016 posts, RR: 12 Reply 29, posted (3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16522 times:
Quoting Andrensn (Reply 26):
Is there a reliable source on the internet that can show me which gates flights at AKL use.
Which flights? International or domestic? Not to many use the same gate I wouldn't think not sure these days. SQ285/6 often uses Pier B and the US bound flights use gates 6, 7, 8, 10 which have the second security point.
Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 27): What is the state of play regarding the much talked about northern runway at AKL? Is this still in the works or are the authorities still stuck in the discussion process?
Still in the works but onhold for now. IMO AKL doesn't need another runway for sometime yet.
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 28): I know the domestic terminal is getting another upgrade but the lack of gate space in the is shocking at many times, pays to start with the new terminal that has more gates before it gets too bad
I think the problem is that if they build a new terminal to the north of the International then taxi times will be longer as it is further from the existing runway, thats part of the issue with the second runway and why it is required.
NZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 5672 posts, RR: 40 Reply 31, posted (3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16337 times:
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 29): IMO AKL doesn't need another runway for sometime yet.
Well they kinda need it if they're going to start building the new domestic terminal - they need to coincide the opening of the new runway with the new terminal to make things a lot easier for transitioning.. And reduce the number of regional planes always having to go past the international terminal. But I still think they should be building the new parallel runway out into the harbour.
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6929 posts, RR: 10 Reply 32, posted (3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16328 times:
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 31): But I still think they should be building the new parallel runway out into the harbour.
That would make sense to me aswell. Bit strange having the 2nd runway primarily for domestic traffic to the north of the airfield when most flights come in from the south. But the cost would be horrendous I think
NZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 5672 posts, RR: 40 Reply 33, posted (3 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16311 times:
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 32):
That would make sense to me aswell. Bit strange having the 2nd runway primarily for domestic traffic to the north of the airfield when most flights come in from the south. But the cost would be horrendous I think
Probably more resource consent issues too.. Although the noise issue would be less of a problem and they shouldn't be restricted to the length either. Sometimes I wish airport building here was like how it's done in China.. They just build it wherever and whenever.
aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6320 posts, RR: 14 Reply 34, posted (3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 16289 times:
Quoting mariner (Reply 23): I'm a workhorse. I am interested in the almost completely ignored (by Aussie airlines) routes to "nearer Asia" - and probably with the A320.
PR have just announced MNL-DRW-BNE with A320. I think this opens up a very interesting possibility for AKL if PR are game (though several Reps told me that the 333HGW was what they were waiting for when the President of Phils came)
a MNL-CNS-AKLwith A320, or MNL-BNE-AKL with an A319 would be pretty cool.
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22698 posts, RR: 88 Reply 35, posted (3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 16185 times:
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 35): PR have just announced MNL-DRW-BNE with A320.
That's the sort of route I was talking about. DRW is the obvious choice for 'nearer Asia' flights, although CNS would work for some - eastern nearer Asia.
There are range limitations. Despite some of the manufacturer's claims, I have always understood that the effective range of the A320 with a full commercial payload is about 2500 miles although the Neo will improve that. Lacsa/TACA trIed SJO-LAX with the A320 (2700 miles) but it almost always had to take a fuel stop at ACA, at least southbound.
So I very much doubt that the A320 (or A319) could make BNE-MNL but CNS-MNL might be possible and CNS-ZAM (Zamboanga - with its pink sand beaches) would be a breeze.
On the other side of the continent, if the Aussies had any sense they'd upgrade BME to full international capability and then much of western nearer Asia becomes possible, from a very attractive and desirable jumping-off point.
Andrensn From New Zealand, joined Jun 2012, 45 posts, RR: 0 Reply 36, posted (3 months 22 hours ago) and read 16005 times:
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 29): Which flights? International or domestic? Not to many use the same gate I wouldn't think not sure these days. SQ285/6 often uses Pier B and the US bound flights use gates 6, 7, 8, 10 which have the second security point.
Ideally international but domestic would also be helpful. I know AKL doesn't show gates on their website like at CHC but is there really no other source?
I know what your talking about! When I was booking my USA flights for December/January last year I decided to book the WLG-AKL-LAX sector using airpoints, then pay for the LAX-DTW-LAX on US and then pay the LAX-AKL-WLG with NZ. I knew the fares would be charged in USA dollars but I wasn't expecting the heart attack when I went to purchase the fares. Y+ was nearly $3000 (once converted into NZL dollars) for a January 17th departure back home with a routing from LAX to AKL via SFO (only option NZ would give me when there were NZ5 and NZ1 operating that day). Needless to say I contacted NZ and got the airpoints purchase reversed and put more airpoints dollars onto my account to purchase the full return NZ fare on airpoints. Saved nearly $1000 doing that! Ended up paying over $1000 later to change my US flights as my flight from WLG-AKL was cancelled due to fog on December 23rd.........thank goodness for travel insurance!
I haven't looked at the mandate of the NZL Commerce Commission, but if this were happening in Canada (400% markup on connections to a long-haul sector on which an airline has a monopoly), I suspect the Competition Bureau would be all over it.
aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6320 posts, RR: 14 Reply 40, posted (3 months 11 hours ago) and read 15665 times:
Quoting Andrensn (Reply 26): Is there a reliable source on the internet that can show me which gates flights at AKL use.
Any help is much appreciated
Me. lol It changes on a daily basis based on overall capacity, number of A380s on ground, overall widebody/narrowbody. some aircraft types can't go on certain gates others have to go on certain gates, some gates have to have certain flights so there are certain patterns that are followed.
Back to the 787-9, the list also shows ZB197 (LN 146) a 787-9 going to ANA. Why Boeing is building this aircraft for ANA before Air New Zealand, which is to take the first 787-9, is a mystery.
ZB001 Boeing
ZB002 Boeing
ZB021 Boeing
ZB197 ANA
I'm just guessing here but ZB021 is perhaps a production frame? Boeing need at least 1 production frame to certify the 787-9. ZB021 could be the one for Air New Zealand?
Quoting xiaotung (Reply 46): If that was really the case, that would mean dual configuration to the same aircraft type?
Doesn't seem wise considering the fleet size is so small; a 767 going tech could problematic. If they had kept those other 767-300ERs that they leased, I would agree with you as that would make a subfleet more worthwhile.
ZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1499 posts, RR: 1 Reply 45, posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14148 times:
''Auckland Airport earnings jump''
Auckland International Airport, the nations busiest gateway, posted an 11% increase in first-half profit and lifted its full-year guidance as growth in domestic passenger traffic made up for a decline in those from overseas.
Profit rose to $76.9 million in the six months ended December 31, from $69 million a year earlier, the company said in a statement today.
Sales rose 3.6% to $223.6 million. Profit and sales beat First NZ Capitals forecasts for $75.2 million and $221.4 million respectively.
Intresting tho -
The decline reflected a 25% drop in transit passengers, which the company said reflected the exit of Qantas Airways on the Los Angeles route from Sydney and Aerolineas Argentinas on the Buenos Aires route.
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11307 posts, RR: 17 Reply 46, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13658 times:
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Just read an e-mail from NZ about the NZ/CX alliance as its now 'live' regarding airpoints/status points earning. Heres a bit from the e-mail
Regardless of which carrier you fly on between Auckland and Hong Kong, to earn both
Airpoints Dollars and Status Points on this route make sure you're booked on a flight with an NZ flight number (e.g. NZ80 or NZ4990) and you'll earn according to the Airpoints Dollars or Status Points Earned on Air New Zealand Flights Table.
If you travel on Cathay flight numbers (e.g. CX117 or CX7401) between Auckland and Hong Kong you will earn Airpoints Dollars based on the Airline Partner Earn Chart
Maybe someone can help me here, if I book a flight thats operated by CX (say CX117) but has an NZ codeshare number (say NZ4990) do I earn based on NZs earning rate or the partner earning rate, or do I earn NZs rates if the flight is operated by NZ and partner airline rates if the flights operated by CX? The bit above about the earn rates got me a lill confussed
xiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 676 posts, RR: 0 Reply 47, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13650 times:
Quoting 777ER (Reply 46): Maybe someone can help me here, if I book a flight thats operated by CX (say CX117) but has an NZ codeshare number (say NZ4990) do I earn based on NZs earning rate or the partner earning rate, or do I earn NZs rates if the flight is operated by NZ and partner airline rates if the flights operated by CX? The bit above about the earn rates got me a lill confussed
As long as you book the flight with NZ flight number even if it's operated by CX, you will earn based on the NZ earn table and Status Points. This is the same with the VA alliance across the Tasman.
alangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2091 posts, RR: 1 Reply 52, posted (2 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13066 times:
Noting the threads about the BA/CX codeshares on routes between UK and Australia - I think BA has done a codeshare on HKG-AKL - is that still current? Almost taking us back to the days when the route was a twice weekly AirNZ DC-10 AKL to HKG to connect with a BA 747 to LHR - the 747 often making several stops between HKG and LHR. In those days, BA was the airline which "took more care of you". I wonder if we are very far away from having AirNZ connecting people onto BA again. There are quite a lot of alliances that are more unlikely than that.
xiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 676 posts, RR: 0 Reply 53, posted (2 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13049 times:
Quoting alangirvan (Reply 52): I wonder if we are very far away from having AirNZ connecting people onto BA again. There are quite a lot of alliances that are more unlikely than that.
I doubt it given NZ is still pursuing VS codeshare with codeshare on VS new UK domestic routes coming soon.
xiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 676 posts, RR: 0 Reply 55, posted (2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12906 times:
In the latest NZ survey, the following cities are listed and respondents are asked how much they would be interested if they were offered by NZ. I assume these are the final contenders of new routes.
Ho Chi Minh City, Denver, Santiago, Houston, Singapore, Buenos Aires, Las Vegas, Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur,
Bangkok, Mexico City, Hanoi, Manila, Mumbai, Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro. Chicago, New York, Delhi, Johannesburg
NZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 5672 posts, RR: 40 Reply 58, posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 12558 times:
Quoting motorhussy (Reply 56):
Do LA codeshare on the NZ metal flights from AKL-HKG now? And conversely, NZ on the LA flights to SCL?
Quoting deconz (Reply 57): No! LA codeshare with CX AKL/HKG/AKL and CX with LA AKL/SCL/AKL as they are both One World carriers. Why would LA also want/need to codeshare with NZ?
Also the timing of the CX flights is far more suited to the LA codeshare - I wouldn't imagine wanting to arrive from SCL at 0430 and have to wait 19 hours for the NZ flight to HKG! That's insane. And on the return, CX still has a more favourable transit time by a couple of hours.
aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2410 posts, RR: 4 Reply 61, posted (2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 12432 times:
Quoting 777ER (Reply 59): Why can't NZ keep the current 'Hobbit' video? I really like that one!
It's a welcome relief from the mish mash they had before. And, shudder, Rico. I really like the lady elf in the Hobbit one. Presents a pretty classy image. Ahem
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6929 posts, RR: 10 Reply 62, posted (2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 12415 times:
Why they keep changing safety videos is beyond me, just make a good one and stick to it I reckon. These 'funny videos' have had their novelty worn off IMHO.
Say that to the rest of the world's population then - I had at least 15 friends sharing the video today.. Different story if you see them again and again all the time but that goes with just about anything.
sunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 3944 posts, RR: 4 Reply 64, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12349 times:
Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 45): Auckland International Airport, the nations busiest gateway, posted an 11% increase in first-half profit and lifted its full-year guidance as growth in domestic passenger traffic made up for a decline in those from overseas.
Profit rose to $76.9 million in the six months ended December 31, from $69 million a year earlier, the company said in a statement today.
What does it cost them per share to service their debt? So far as I can tell they have about 1,323,000 shares outstanding . Is this right?
aklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 682 posts, RR: 0 Reply 65, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12322 times:
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 62):
Why they keep changing safety videos is beyond me, just make a good one and stick to it I reckon. These 'funny videos' have had their novelty worn off IMHO.
I think novelty is the whole point. Most people who have flown half a dozen times, let alone hundreds of times pay no attention at all to the safety briefing. I could probably do the announcement myself while stowing my carry on. Still, things do change from time to time and aircraft to aircraft. You need to have it fresh in your mind. I watch each new NZ video from start to finish. Since there are often things I missed the first time, I even pay attention subsequent times. After a while, they do start to bore me, and then NZ comes out with a new one.
The worst safety briefings are the ones spoken as fast as they can talk by some bored flight attendant. No one actually hears a word. Nothing sinks in. Even the recorded briefings by most airlines just bounce off most people's ears. And exactly why do I want to be greeted by a recording of Jeff Smisek? NZ has the right idea, every one else doesn't.
aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6320 posts, RR: 14 Reply 66, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12071 times:
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 62): Why they keep changing safety videos is beyond me, just make a good one and stick to it I reckon. These 'funny videos' have had their novelty worn off IMHO.
They are brand awareness in lieu of more expensive forms of advertising. 2-1 if you will.
Mr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 763 posts, RR: 1 Reply 67, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11960 times:
Announced this morning in the half year results (amonst other things)
"Backing up the airline's confidence in its future, the company will lease two additional Boeing 777-300ER aircraft to join the fleet in 2014."
Can't provide a link yet as info was in the news release email from my stockbroker. The mainstream media should cover the announcement shortly and that will enable a link to verify.
zkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0 Reply 69, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11950 times:
Quoting mariner (Reply 68): Backing up the airline’s confidence in its future, the company will lease two additional Boeing 777-300ER aircraft to join the fleet in 2014."
So the 2x remaining 744s will be replaced be 77W next year instead on 789s?
Mr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 763 posts, RR: 1 Reply 70, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11951 times:
Quoting zkncj (Reply 69): So the 2x remaining 744s will be replaced be 77W next year instead on 789s?
Luxon made it quite clear in the press conference these extra 77W aircraft are for growth and not as an insurance policy on the 789. The first of the 787s are meant to replace the remaining 744s but all in all, I think we'll be seeing 4-5 wide body arrivals in a short space of time with only 2 departures so definitely a net gain.
Mr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 763 posts, RR: 1 Reply 73, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11903 times:
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 72): Does this mean EZE or GRU ? Perhaps not coincidentally, it is about then that NZ's 77W's will qualify for EDTO 330 min.
aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6320 posts, RR: 14 Reply 75, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11862 times:
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 72): Does this mean EZE or GRU ? Perhaps not coincidentally, it is about then that NZ's 77W's will qualify for EDTO 330 min.
Having spent a very happy month here in South America, and having passed through both airports (along with 5 others within Sth Am) I'm hoping so finally....although I do wonder if it won't be the 77Es doing the 'growth' and the 77Ws doing existing routes such as HKG/YVR....
I believe if it is South America then it will be EZE. I think the charter last year was not just a random event, more route proving - and they filled it just fine. GRU is the market everyone should be into, but I think that there might be more operational restrictions than EZE which can provide feed onto AC to SCL TK to GRU amongst others.. EZE terminal has come a long way since I was there last, and the Star Alliance lounge is rather nice. LIM terminal is definitely coming on strong with TA/AV too, so that's the rank outsider in the South American options right now.. My feeling is no matter what happens with JJ and Star, NZ will negotiate with them eventually.
I'm flying home next week from here in Peru. It really would be good for me to have another more direct Star Alliance link . (that isn't UA Yuck)...
My hunch is that with the 2 extra aircraft it will be another North American route and one other..
koruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 2979 posts, RR: 6 Reply 76, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11814 times:
@aerorobnz
There already is a Star Alliance option.
I fly NZ to LAX, then Copa to Brazil or Uruguay, and their Business Class recliners go for around $2500 return from LAX, which is very good value, and less than half the TAM fare.
aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6320 posts, RR: 14 Reply 77, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11807 times:
Quoting koruman (Reply 76): I fly NZ to LAX, then Copa to Brazil or Uruguay, and their Business Class recliners go for around $2500 return from LAX, which is very good value, and less than half the TAM fare.
agreed it is technically an option and I did look at it seriously, but I'm not so interested in 2x 7h+ sectors in a row in a 737 meaning it can only be considered seriously in Business class..and there are plenty who have no interest in going through the US.. I used to prefer AV ex LAX via BOG because it was 762/330s all the way - AV have the best inflight coffee you will find.... TA still has an option via LAX/SFO-/GUA/SJO-LIM on their 320/321s...
My option was AKL-HKG-IST-GRU-EZE..J & Y+ all the way on NZ/TK.. I guess it is technically a mileage run though. I'm now familiar with AR/AU/LA/LP/TA/2I/AV/06/P3 within South America, next time I might give CM a go.
NZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2188 posts, RR: 27 Reply 78, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11841 times:
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The extra 77W's (OKR and OKS) are undeed for growth as per the announcement this morning and NOT to allow the retirement of the 744. In fact OKR is scheduled to be delivered at the same time as NZE, the first 789. Couple of routes under consideration but I obviously cannot divulge where on here.
xiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 676 posts, RR: 0 Reply 79, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11805 times:
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 75): I believe if it is South America then it will be EZE. I think the charter last year was not just a random event, more route proving - and they filled it just fine. GRU is the market everyone should be into, but I think that there might be more operational restrictions than EZE which can provide feed onto AC to SCL TK to GRU amongst others.. EZE terminal has come a long way since I was there last, and the Star Alliance lounge is rather nice. LIM terminal is definitely coming on strong with TA/AV too, so that's the rank outsider in the South American options right now.. My feeling is no matter what happens with JJ and Star, NZ will negotiate with them eventually.
NZ started PEK just before the Olympics. If that had anything to do with management decision making, Brazil is hosting both the next World Cup and Olympics. Brazil is not only the biggest economy in South America it still remains the only feasible place with potential feed among *A partners. I believe *A is still counting on Avianca Brazil to come onboard. Otherwise NZ would have to look for an alliance outside of *A.
sunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 3944 posts, RR: 4 Reply 80, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11757 times:
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 75): although I do wonder if it won't be the 77Es doing the 'growth'
So far as I know the RR /77E combination is still awaiting > EDTO 180 minute certification from the FAA. Until this happens it is a non-starter on a South American run. Perhaps NZ1 is more upto date than I am on this.
PA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 688 posts, RR: 0 Reply 81, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11739 times:
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 74): Interestingly, delivery is slated for one in 2014 and the other in 2015 - so we'll still be waiting for 2+ years for this new route.
Not correct. One in FY14 and the other in FY15 does mean both can be delivered in 2014 as FY15 is 01 Jul 2014 to 30 Jun 2015.
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 78): The extra 77W's (OKR and OKS) are undeed for growth as per the announcement this morning and NOT to allow the retirement of the 744. In fact OKR is scheduled to be delivered at the same time as NZE, the first 789. Couple of routes under consideration but I obviously cannot divulge where on here.
The first 789 is now FY15 instead of FY14, so that delivery has slipped at least one month since the 2012 Annual Report.
aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2410 posts, RR: 4 Reply 82, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11668 times:
Quoting mariner (Reply 71): But given those numbers I think the departed Mr. Fyfe deserves a cheer or three.
Indeed. Credit where it's due. Though I do think Luxon's focus on domestic should reap the rewards.
Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 70): Luxon made it quite clear in the press conference these extra 77W aircraft are for growth and not as an insurance policy on the 789.
Interesting times then. Could this herald the introduction of a second LHR route? That's a lot of plane to fill and I can't imagine many of the existing routes could fill the 77W... bar YVR. I'm still hanging out for an A321 purchase to bridge the gap when the 767s do eventually go.
koruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 2979 posts, RR: 6 Reply 84, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11670 times:
The 77W is too big for most new routes.
I would use the 77E or 789 or even the 77L for new routes. Otherwise there will be a cycle of discounting to inflate loads, which will itself dilute yields.
"Long haul yields and demand rose during the half year to December which helped push its international division into the black for the first time since the Global Financial Crisis."
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6929 posts, RR: 10 Reply 86, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11630 times:
Great result for NZ, hope to see this get better in future.
NZ have introduced a 'fare hold fee' as well where you can pay a small fee to hold your fare for 3 days while sorting out plans etc etc... http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/fare-hold
aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2410 posts, RR: 4 Reply 87, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11609 times:
Quoting mariner (Reply 85): Mayhap. But there is one footnote which has been overlooked:
It's also the most fickle. But a solid achievement nonetheless.
What concerns me is that when things are profitable, the airline has a tendency (or it has recently) to take its eye off its cost base. And I don't mean niggly things like serving cookies on planes. The profit figure is also before hedging losses/profits, which seems kinda odd. Anyone know whether they profited or lost from fuel hedging, and does this include currency "hedging"?
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6929 posts, RR: 10 Reply 89, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11579 times:
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 88): Time to paint more black planes.. In fact, just change the livery to black.
NZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2188 posts, RR: 27 Reply 90, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11609 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 88): Time to paint more black planes.. In fact, just change the livery to black.
Funny you should mention that, word around the hangar at the moment is that there has been a hold put on painting anymore aircraft or aicraft tails black. Possible review of the colour scheme is being banded around by senior management as the black is too "boring"
"Air New Zealand has focused on cutting costs, last year saying it would lower its head count by 441 staff out of about 11,000, which Luxon said had contributed $60m in savings towards an overall goal of $250m."
At an ex-fuel and currency hedging CASK of 7.48 cents (USD 6.1 cents) a number of foreign airlines might envy them, even some LCC's.
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6929 posts, RR: 10 Reply 92, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11537 times:
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 90): Funny you should mention that, word around the hangar at the moment is that there has been a hold put on painting anymore aircraft or aicraft tails black. Possible review of the colour scheme is being banded around by senior management as the black is too "boring"
rjm717 From Australia, joined May 2000, 77 posts, RR: 1 Reply 93, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11413 times:
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 62): Why they keep changing safety videos is beyond me, just make a good one and stick to it I reckon. These 'funny videos' have had their novelty worn off IMHO.
I flew NZ SYD-AKL-SFO and return J class in Nov and watched three different safety videos, including the Hobbit, on 4 flights. They were entertaining, informative and as I looked around the cabin everyone (and I mean everyone in a cabin full of frequent flyers) was watching them. That's the whole point of a safety video - to inform people.
Haha, it took a change in the CEO to bring about a thought which has circulated around here ever since the introduction of the new livery. Bring back the Pacific Wave!
Quoting mariner (Reply 91):
I agree. I really don't like the black.
If there was a vote, I'd vote for the All Blacks livery over the new white/black tail/new font livery.. But overall, I still prefer the Pacific Wave livery while keeping a couple of the All Blacks ones as specials.
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6929 posts, RR: 10 Reply 95, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11293 times:
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 94): Bring back the Pacific Wave
Agree with you there. elegant and simple IMO
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 90): Possible review of the colour scheme is being banded around by senior management as the black is too "boring"
I've heard the term 'cheap' used a few times to describe it. Either way, it's good if it is being reconsidered
ZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1499 posts, RR: 1 Reply 96, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11208 times:
go from great news today to this;
''Air NZ pilot fell into 'deep sleep' in flight deck''
An Air New Zealand pilot fell into a "deep sleep" in the flight deck twice during a flight between London and Los Angeles.
The pilot said in a statement to 3 News that he suffered inadequate rest during a stopover in London and was "exhausted" before the flight to Los Angeles.
Air New Zealand has tonight said the pilot "nodded off twice for around a minute and woke spontaneously".
motorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 2747 posts, RR: 10 Reply 97, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11155 times:
Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 96): "nodded off twice for around a minute and woke spontaneously"
Funny turn of phrase. I would have said he fell asleep 'spontaneously' and that he awoke 'unprompted'; 'nodding off' suggests a rather casual and relaxed environment (to me) rather than that of an airliner cockpit, the control room of a craft transporting hundreds of people thousands of miles.
On the NZ livery issue, keep black as our sporting colour; green, blue and white are the colours of our landscapes, oceans and skies - and traditionally of our airline.
tbh, it was fossicked out from the official information act and happened in Nov 2011. The media love twisting things to their liking and there's a 3rd pilot for a reason. Having 3 nights in London should be long enough for a reasonable person to rest, even if it was during the day. Oh well..
PA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 688 posts, RR: 0 Reply 99, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11118 times:
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 72): Does this mean EZE or GRU ? Perhaps not coincidentally, it is about then that NZ's 77W's will qualify for EDTO 330 min.
Air NZ should have achieved EDTO 330 with the 77W by now.
This 12 Dec 2011 Boeing media release says the FAA has approved EDTO 330 for the 777-300ER and that Air NZ had operated it's first 77W 240 ETOPS flight between LAX and AKL earlier that month, which is 12 months after the LAX-AKL delivery flight of OKM. http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2070
The 1 Nov 2010 CAA Part 121.961 rule says EDTO 330 can be applied for after 12 months of EDTO 240, and the Part 121.963 rule says provided; (2) the airframe and engine combination of the aeroplane to be used for the EDTO is approved by the State of Design to operate to the maximum diversion time requested by the certificate holder;
All the NZ CAA conditions appear to have been met.
sunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 3944 posts, RR: 4 Reply 100, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11034 times:
Quoting PA515 (Reply 99): All the NZ CAA conditions appear to have been met.
True. But the operational constraints laid down in the EDTO standards are pretty confining especially since the only alternate is IPC . What happens if the IPC weather forecast is bad during the period that a diversion may need it? Does the aircraft stay on the ground until the forecast is acceptable? I can forsee real potential for delays.
gasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 733 posts, RR: 0 Reply 101, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10957 times:
Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 96): The pilot said in a statement to 3 News that he suffered inadequate rest during a stopover in London and was "exhausted" before the flight to Los Angeles.
Air New Zealand has tonight said the pilot "nodded off twice for around a minute and woke spontaneously".
Could this be all about trying to wrangle better accommodation in London? Didn't it get downgraded a few years ago and there was some angst over it?
Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 39): The NZ PE fare for YOW-AKL-YOW is $5144, almost $2000 more than the same flights in the same fare classes booked on separate tickets.
Mr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 763 posts, RR: 1 Reply 102, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11026 times:
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The current hotel in London changed not too long ago. I have friends who say there. Good location, no complaints so no, this has nothing to do with wrangling a hotel change.
aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2410 posts, RR: 4 Reply 103, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10976 times:
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 90): Funny you should mention that, word around the hangar at the moment is that there has been a hold put on painting anymore aircraft or aicraft tails black. Possible review of the colour scheme is being banded around by senior management as the black is too "boring"
Good god I hope so. Pleeeeeeease let this be so!
Quoting rjm717 (Reply 93): If entertainment is added? A bonus.
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6929 posts, RR: 10 Reply 104, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10958 times:
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 103):
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 90):
Funny you should mention that, word around the hangar at the moment is that there has been a hold put on painting anymore aircraft or aicraft tails black. Possible review of the colour scheme is being banded around by senior management as the black is too "boring"
Good god I hope so. Pleeeeeeease let this be so!
I know. If in fact this roumer is true then kudos to the new CEO for listening to staff/public opinion
xiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 676 posts, RR: 0 Reply 105, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10924 times:
Today in the Sydney Morning Herald, NZ and VA are considering adding Pacific Island routes to the alliance. Time must fly. They are up for the 3 year alliance renewal before the end of the year.
zkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 774 posts, RR: 1 Reply 106, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10853 times:
Interesting to note that Air New Zealand's 787s are going to come from the Charleston plant. I wonder if this is something they chose, or Boeing decided for them.
Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 67): "Backing up the airline's confidence in its future, the company will lease two additional Boeing 777-300ER aircraft to join the fleet in 2014."
Quoting mariner (Reply 68): Air NZ half year earnings up more than 300 percent
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 78): Couple of routes under consideration but I obviously cannot divulge where on here.
Quoting mariner (Reply 85): "Long haul yields and demand rose during the half year to December which helped push its international division into the black for the first time since the Global Financial Crisis."
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 90): Possible review of the colour scheme is being banded around by senior management as the black is too "boring"
Not sure which piece of news I like most. Looks like there will be better times ahead.
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 94): Bring back the Pacific Wave!
Quoting gasman (Reply 101): Didn't it get downgraded a few years ago and there was some angst over it?
I know there have been issues with the hotel in Los Angeles which were discussed here a year or two ago.
PA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 688 posts, RR: 0 Reply 107, posted (2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10739 times:
Page 8 of the 2013 Interim Report (page 10 of the pdf. document); '6. Operating Lease Commitments', says the two additional 77W's will be delivered in Jun 2014 and Sep 2014.
On the same page; '5 Capital Commitments', says two 320's previously for delivery in Oct 2014 and Dec 2014 have been 'accelerated' to Nov 2013 and Jul 2014.
haggis73 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2010, 81 posts, RR: 0 Reply 108, posted (2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10646 times:
Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 67): "Backing up the airline's confidence in its future, the company will lease two additional Boeing 777-300ER aircraft to join the fleet in 2014."
Any idea who they are leasing them from?
I see ALC has just placed an order for 10 77W from Boeing, I wonder if 2 of them are for NZ.
777er From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11307 posts, RR: 17 Reply 109, posted (2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10441 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 94): Quoting mariner (Reply 91):I agree. I really don't like the black.If there was a vote, I'd vote for the All Blacks livery over the new white/black tail/new font livery.. But overall, I still prefer the Pacific Wave livery while keeping a couple of the All Blacks ones as specials.
I really like the silver fern against the black livery. The silver fern to me represents New Zealand 100% more then the colour black! Maybe some how NZ could incorporate the silver fern onto a new livery with the teal tail design and pacific wave.
Quoting PA515 (Reply 99): Air NZ had operated it's first 77W 240 ETOPS flight between LAX and AKL earlier that month, which is 12 months after the LAX-AKL delivery flight of OKM.
How much did the 240ETOPS cut off the old B77W route?
I really like this part of the article Mr Luxon said the outlook was positive on the trans-Tasman route, while the airline was ''equally excited about opportunities within the broader Pacific Rim region'', including Asia and the Americas
Could we see VAs code on NZs LAX/SFO/YVR routes? Wouldn't mind seeing VA launch a South America/North America route from AKL with NZs code
PA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 688 posts, RR: 0 Reply 114, posted (2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10209 times:
Quoting haggis73 (Reply 108): I see ALC has just placed an order for 10 77W from Boeing, I wonder if 2 of them are for NZ.
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 113): Given the size of the 77W order book I would have thought they would have been on order for longer unless ALC are converting options .
ALC have issued a Press Release, they are leasing two 77W's to Air NZ. However it's not clear if these are from the latest order for 10 or the 5 ordered in Aug 2011. On 13 Jan 2013 Flightglobal said BA would be taking two of the 2011 order in May 2014 and Jun 2014 and the other three were for 2015 delivery.
The Air NZ aircraft could be options converted late or a swap of 2015 delivery positions from the 2011 order.
sunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 3944 posts, RR: 4 Reply 116, posted (2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9748 times:
Quoting 777er (Reply 109): How much did the 240ETOPS cut off the old B77W route?
Another piece of FWIW I checked FlightAware flight plans for LAX-AKL-LAX for NZ 1/2 5/6 flights. At the equator the cross over points ranged from 150W to 162W . At 150w the line was virtually straight.
timb777 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2009, 140 posts, RR: 0 Reply 117, posted (2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9596 times:
Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 10): Just wondering if anyone knows what the load factors are like on SQ298 out of CHC? Is there any online data available? Thanks
Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 11): SQ are operating to CHC daily all year round now, this suggests they are fairly happy with the load factors.
I flew this route in Nov and the aircraft was at about 90% load factor & again last month and the aircraft had every seat taken in both Y & J - so it seems to be doing rather well. Its definitely my favourite way to get to SE Asia / China- staying up all day flying over the spectacular Australian outback followed by an early evening arrival into SIN (or late evening if connecting to the likes of BKK or HKG) means almost no jetlag.
koruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 2979 posts, RR: 6 Reply 121, posted (2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8832 times:
Quoting timb777 (Reply 120): Anyone know what NZ's first long haul 787 route into or from CHC will be? Presumably it will be from Japan? Anything new on the horizon?
I don't think so.
My understanding is that the entire 787-9 fleet is currently intended to serve routes between Auckland and China in a high-density configuration.
sunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 3944 posts, RR: 4 Reply 123, posted (2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8731 times:
Quoting koruman (Reply 121): My understanding is that the entire 787-9 fleet is currently intended to serve routes between Auckland and China in a high-density configuration
ZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1499 posts, RR: 1 Reply 124, posted (2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8721 times:
If all goes to plan and the 787's arrive next year they will be doing the PVG and Japan routes Bali and might even send it to HKG now the route doesn't go onto LHR , which would in tail move the 772 around and then start to replace the 763's. The 2 extra 77ws would we be looking at 2 or more routes? South America and XXX
2014 could be an interesting time if it all goes correct , just hope they don't go 3/4/3 on the 787!
sunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 3944 posts, RR: 4 Reply 125, posted (2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8677 times:
Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 124): The 2 extra 77ws would we be looking at 2 or more routes? South America and XXX
My view is that the 77E would be best suited to develope any new routes. A difficulty is that to the best of my knowledge the (RR/PW) /77E engine/airframe combinations are still awaiting the FAA to increase the EDTO beyond 180-mins. Any AKL-South America routing needs this as prerequisie as does AKL-IAH.
I could see the high config B787s serving HNL since its more a leisure/tourist destination then the mainland USA market which is more a business market you could say
motorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 2747 posts, RR: 10 Reply 129, posted (2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8232 times:
Quoting koruman (Reply 121): My understanding is that the entire 787-9 fleet is currently intended to serve routes between Auckland and China in a high-density configuration.
Where did you glean this understanding from and can you elaborate please? Are you talking Y+ and Y only for example? I thought it was likely there was going to be a split configuration given the diversity of markets and that the 789 was to be the workhorse of the NZ fleet.
ZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1499 posts, RR: 1 Reply 130, posted (2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8185 times:
With today of BA releasing start up dates for the A380's between LHR & LAX (start Oct 15) should NZ have anything to worry about? Now they have just got back in the black on there long haul routes.
PA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 688 posts, RR: 0 Reply 131, posted (2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8196 times:
Quoting motorhussy (Reply 129): Quoting koruman (Reply 121):
My understanding is that the entire 787-9 fleet is currently intended to serve routes between Auckland and China in a high-density configuration.
Where did you glean this understanding from and can you elaborate please? Are you talking Y and Y only for example? I thought it was likely there was going to be a split configuration given the diversity of markets and that the 789 was to be the workhorse of the NZ fleet.
Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 124): If all goes to plan and the 787's arrive next year they will be doing the PVG and Japan routes Bali and might even send it to HKG now the route doesn't go onto LHR
From the Air NZ Investor Day Presentation 25 Nov 2011, page 76:
Quote: 'Deployment of 787-9', Expect to launch into North Asia/Japan, Configuration to match leisure nature of these markets, Seats, IFE, Food
The first three 787-9's are due in the 2014 part of FY 2015, but they can't be used for EDTO 240+ routes until at least two years after delivery. The NZ CAA EDTO rules are twelve months of EDTO 180, then another 12 months of EDTO 240 before qualifying for EDTO 240+. And that's conditional on the FAA approving EDTO 240 and EDTO 330 within those time frames. The FAA may decide to wait a few years.
sunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 3944 posts, RR: 4 Reply 133, posted (2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8063 times:
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 132): Flights from Asia or a tag on from PER/MEL? Surely not a non-stop..
They have 77L's so it is a possibility but I would think the route might be a little thin . They should get close to max volume limited payload westbound. 9 wide with 18.9" seats and 32-34" pitch should make Y fairly comfortable. Sector time would be about 17hr 30min
I get the feeling that EK would operate non-stop AKL-DXB if there was demand for it.. And I just don't expect there to be enough demand to warrant QR to send a non-stop 77L to AKL. It makes far more sense to route through MEL/PER. Going AKL-PER-DOH would give OW a route on AKL-PER too, soon.
sunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 3944 posts, RR: 4 Reply 135, posted (2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 7933 times:
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 134): I get the feeling that EK would operate non-stop AKL-DXB if there was demand for it..
They too have 77L's and probably are close to having enough traffic . They could set a non stop fare attractive enough to entice CHC'ers to pick up the flight in AKL. Probably the passenger statistics would throw some light on the subject. As they add 573t A380's to their fleet with their ability to go close to 8000nm with a good payload , 77L's could be freed up.
ZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1499 posts, RR: 1 Reply 137, posted (2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7307 times:
Now that TAM will leave star alliance in 2014 to move into ONEWORLD, is there still a need for NZ to be looking at opening up a route to south America? it seems 'STAR' is having a sinking feeling .!
sunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 3944 posts, RR: 4 Reply 138, posted (2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7298 times:
Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 137): Now that TAM will leave star alliance in 2014 to move into ONEWORLD, is there still a need for NZ to be looking at opening up a route to south America? it seems 'STAR' is having a sinking feeling .!Happy New Year of the Dragon - from
NZ has a history of creating business arrangements with carriers irrespective of which alliance they belong. That TAM is leaving * is in my view somewhat irrelevant. If they terminate at EZE I am sure there are arrangements they can make for GRU/GIG-EZE feeds.
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11307 posts, RR: 17 Reply 139, posted (2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7166 times:
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When did NZ stop the 'Night rider' service between WLG and AKL? Just been looking for fares to AKL for next Saturday and noticed theres no more night rider
PA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 688 posts, RR: 0 Reply 141, posted (2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 7144 times:
Quoting 777ER (Reply 139): When did NZ stop the 'Night rider' service between WLG and AKL? Just been looking for fares to AKL for next Saturday and noticed theres no more night rider
They were advertising the $29 nightrider on TV last night, but it could be the last flight of the day Mon - Fri only.
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6929 posts, RR: 10 Reply 143, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6695 times:
Quoting 777ER (Reply 139):
When did NZ stop the 'Night rider' service between WLG and AKL?
As others have said it's very popular as is known to be sold out quite a while in advance
Thanks everyone. Havn't noticed it as an option in the flight search the past several times I've been looking at fares. Since its so popular, is NZ considering upgrading it to an A320?
PA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 688 posts, RR: 0 Reply 147, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6396 times:
Quoting cchan (Reply 118): Would someone be able to provide an update for upcoming NZ aircraft deliveries and retirements for 2013? Thanks.
Regarding deliveries;
ATR72-600 ZK-MVC is due this month and could be c/n 1079 F-WWEP which flew unpainted on the 7th March with grey engine nacelles. A blue tail for this one?
A320's ZK-OXA and ZK-OXB are due in June and July. The website schedule has five 320's on domestic from 15 Jul and six 320's from 5 Aug.
Mon - Fri
0700 AKL-WLG
0710 AKL-ZQN
0730 AKL-WLG
0700 WLG-AKL
0540 CHC-AKL
0650 CHC-AKL.
A320 ZK-OXC is now due in November but not yet showing in the website schedule for Dec and Jan.
Seems a waste to have the sharklet aircraft on domestic routes when the enhancement is more productive on longer flights. Would like to see these replace the existing 320's on regional flights as originally intended, with maybe eight business class seats, especially for transtasman ex AKL. No conversion costs for new aircraft, and nothing major needs to be done to the OJ_ aircraft for domestic use.
Mr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 763 posts, RR: 1 Reply 149, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6357 times:
Quoting PA515 (Reply 147): No conversion costs for new aircraft, and nothing major needs to be done to the OJ_ aircraft for domestic use.
Other than a total cabin rejig to remove the PTV's etc to keep non essential weight down on shorter flights.
The OX* series aircraft are coming as 71.5 Tonne options vs. the 77 Tonne option of the regional fleet (four current domestic A320's are also 71.5 Tonne machines). Paper work only to upgrade I know but still. The accountants would have looked at everything (e.g. upfront costs, return on investment from reconfigs etc.) so I have little doubt things are being done in the most cost effective manner. If they weren't, I genuinely think Luxon would change things. You can see he is a real dollars and cents man.
HLZCPH From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 123 posts, RR: 0 Reply 150, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6304 times:
Quoting PA515 (Reply 147): Seems a waste to have the sharklet aircraft on domestic routes when the enhancement is more productive on longer flights. Would like to see these replace the existing 320's on regional flights as originally intended, with maybe eight business class seats, especially for transtasman ex AKL. No conversion costs for new aircraft, and nothing major needs to be done to the OJ_ aircraft for domestic use.
Perhaps it would be a viable option to retofit sharklets onto the OJ series machines instead? I read somewhere it would be possible, with few mods, on the later build A320s.
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6929 posts, RR: 10 Reply 152, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6328 times:
Quoting PA515 (Reply 147): ATR72-600 ZK-MVC is due this month and could be c/n 1079 F-WWEP which flew unpainted on the 7th March with grey engine nacelles. A blue tail for this one?
I was wondering the same thing. Would be interesting to see
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11307 posts, RR: 17 Reply 153, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6283 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 152): Quoting PA515 (Reply 147):ATR72-600 ZK-MVC is due this month and could be c/n 1079 F-WWEP which flew unpainted on the 7th March with grey engine nacelles. A blue tail for this one?I was wondering the same thing. Would be interesting to see
NZ1 did say in the previous thread that the black tail livery has been put on hold pending a review or something so has the review seen the blue tails return?
If the blue is making a return then I'm really happy as I still can't see how black is our national colour as NZ said when making the announcement.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8261 posts, RR: 5 Reply 155, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6136 times:
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 138): That TAM is leaving * is in my view somewhat irrelevant. If they terminate at EZE I am sure there are arrangements they can make for GRU/GIG-EZE feeds.
LATAM routes pax traveling between South America and Australasia via the SCL hub. Why would LATAM want to divert traffic away from the SCL hub and via EZE on a rival carrier? Also, should NZ launch AKL-EZE in the future, AV Brasil, which will replace TAM in Star will not be able to provide NZ connections via EZE and GRU/GIG since the bilateral between Argentina and Brasil is maxed out and Argentina will most likely keep it that way...
sunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 3944 posts, RR: 4 Reply 156, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6118 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 158): Also, should NZ launch AKL-EZE in the future, AV Brasil, which will replace TAM in Star will not be able to provide NZ connections via EZE and GRU/GIG since the bilateral between Argentina and Brasil is maxed out and Argentina will most likely keep it that way...SCL-IPC-PPT on LAN
So what you are saying is that there is considerable work to be done to get feeds into place.
NZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2188 posts, RR: 27 Reply 157, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5616 times:
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A bit of a rundown on fleet deliveries coming up for those who are interested.
ATR72-600
ZK-MVC - Apr 2013
ZK-MVD - Sep 2013
ZK-MVE - Sep 2014
ZK-MVF - Dec 2014
ZK-MVG - Dec 2015
A320D (Sharklet)
ZK-OXA - Jun 2013
ZK-OXB - Jul 2013
ZK-OXC - Nov 2013
ZK-OXD - Feb 2014
ZK-OXE - Mar 2014
ZK-OXF - Jun 2014
ZK-OXG - Feb 2015
ZK-OXH - Mar 2015
ZK-OXI - Jun 2016
ZK-OXJ - Aug 2016
B777-300ER
ZK-OKR - Jul 2014
ZK-OKS - Sep 2014
B787-9
ZK-NZC - Sep 2014
ZK-NZD - Oct 2014
ZK-NZE - Jul 2014
ZK-NZF - Jun 2015
ZK-NZG - Aug 2015
ZK-NZH - Oct 2015
ZK-NZI - Jul 2016
ZK-NZJ - Sep 2016
Note that NZE is the first 787 to arrive, out of sequence, as NZC and NZD are being used by Boeing for testing prior to delivery. While NZE is the third aircraft off the line, it will be the first aircraft in service.
PA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 688 posts, RR: 0 Reply 160, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5473 times:
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 157): A bit of a rundown on fleet deliveries coming up for those who are interested.
Thanks, always interested. Any news on the five ATR72-600 options?
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 157): Note that NZE is the first 787 to arrive, out of sequence, as NZC and NZD are being used by Boeing for testing prior to delivery. While NZE is the third aircraft off the line, it will be the first aircraft in service.
Any idea what Boeing would be testing after the first 789 is delivered?
"Air New Zealand says it sees huge growth potential in the Asia Pacific region but can't take full advantage of the opportunities until new planes arrive next year.
Mr Luxon said the airline hopes to get two new Boeing 777 planes and four Dreamliner aircraft next year.
While it hasn't been decided where the aircraft will be deployed, Mr Luxon said the Pacific and Asia offer great growth opportunities for Air New Zealand."
I have my fingers crossed. Obviously, I guess, the 2 x 777 will arrive, and I hope that the 4 x 787 do.
But - given the circumstances surrounding the 787 - I wonder if is there a a Plan B?
NZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 5672 posts, RR: 40 Reply 163, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5367 times:
Quoting mariner (Reply 161): But - given the circumstances surrounding the 787 - I wonder if is there a a Plan B?
You'd certainly hope so.. They've had years to think of a contingency. I wonder what the lease market is like and how readily available 772s/763s are, seeing that next year is (seemingly) the earliest they can get 77Ws.
HALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1324 posts, RR: 17 Reply 164, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5334 times:
Hi Everyone!
Just wanted to let my Kiwi friends know that Hawaiian Airlines Inaugural flight from HNL to AKL will arrive in AKL this Thursday, March 14th. HA flight #445 is scheduled to arrive at 1855. This may be the only opportunity to see or photograph our HA aircraft before sundown as the normal arrival from HNL is scheduled at 2155 and departure back to HNL is 2355.
Everyone here at HA is very excited about this route, and I have been told that bookings have been very good.
If any of you should be working at AKL on Thursday, come on by our departure gate, it should be a typical Hawaiian festive atmosphere! And to the photographers out there, please get some good shots of the HA A330 and post them here!
Aloha,
HALFA
[Edited 2013-03-11 15:43:11]
HNL-AKL Starts March 2013, HNL-SDJ starts June 2013, HNL-TPE Starts July 2013
"Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee today welcomed the Prime Minister’s announcement in Brazil of a new open skies air services agreement between
New Zealand and Brazil.
“Brazil is touted to become one of the world’s most powerful emerging economies,” Mr Brownlee says.
“It will also host the next FIFA World Cup and Olympic Games.
“Travel between New Zealand and Brazil is increasing, with around 10,000 Brazilians visiting New Zealand each year and over 3000 coming here to study."
I don't suppose it means anything in practical terms for Air NZ at the moment and I don't know enough the Brazilian carriers.
Anyhoo, it's good to see more open skies agreements.
ZK-OXA - Jun 2013
ZK-OXB - Jul 2013
ZK-OXC - Nov 2013
ZK-OXD - Feb 2014
ZK-OXE - Mar 2014
ZK-OXF - Jun 2014
ZK-OXG - Feb 2015
ZK-OXH - Mar 2015
ZK-OXI - Jun 2016
ZK-OXJ - Aug 2016
Any ideas yet on -OXAs first operational route/first route to/from WLG?
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 166): Will be good to have 2 HA aircraft in AKL at the same time. An A330 at the Terminal and 767-300 N582HA at the Maintenace Base undergoing a C Check.
Would be even better if NZ could park the HA B763 beside the A330 at the gate?
aotearoa From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0 Reply 170, posted (2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4878 times:
787-8s.......I would be extremely surprised.
The airline already has its hands full trying to train enough flight crew for the entry into sevice programe outlined above. Combine this program with an ageing pilot workforce and a 'perfect storm' is developing.
sunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 3944 posts, RR: 4 Reply 173, posted (2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4775 times:
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 172): Where are they going to be from? Has someone recently cancelled orders high up the waiting list?
I am sure Boeing has some slack in their schedule and there are carriers who may wish to forgo 788's at this time for 789's later on. They would be ideal to replace 763's on routes where demand has the 763 running short of seats and there is cargo demand for 8 to 10t per sector. These would have to arrive by mid-2014 in my view which would require a decision pretty soon .
duff From New Zealand, joined Oct 2001, 115 posts, RR: 1 Reply 174, posted (2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4722 times:
I should emphasise that these are rumours. I thought it was worth asking because I have heard this info from a couple of sources. I have no idea where they will be sourced from and as Aotearoa says there are are crewing issues. In saying that I hear that they are ramping up recruitment to increase the limit on its current pilot numbers.
motorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 2747 posts, RR: 10 Reply 183, posted (2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3845 times:
Quoting mariner (Reply 167): “Brazil is touted to become one of the world’s most powerful emerging economies,” Mr Brownlee says.
Jeepers Jerry, Brazil isn't just touted to become one, it IS one of the world’s most powerful emerging economies.
If NZ do start flights to Brasil, I wonder whether it will be direct non-stop or whether, with this agreement, they'd be able to take advantage of there currently being no direct flights between New Zealand and Argentina and fly say... AKL-EZE-GRU or whether AKL-GRU alone would be a more compelling proposition? And not sure that the protectionist Kirchner government would allow on-flights for NZ from Argentina.
Nice photos! Lighting in the first one certainly is perfect on an even better livery! Was this taken from the top of the domestic terminal carpark? Heading up to AKL soon and wondering what this spot is like....no run in's with security etc or odd looks from the public? Thanks
Yes those photos are from the Domestic car park building. The view from the top of the car park is EXCELLENT! Way better views then from the Air NZ engineers car park and I havn't had any issues with AVSEC or Police while up there watching movements. The top floor car park while Ive been there has only been around 20-30% full each time and the cars are parked more around the middle of the parking building around the lifts so the end of the building towards the NZ Regional gates are more better in terms of not getting weird looks
aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6320 posts, RR: 14 Reply 187, posted (2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3336 times:
Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 185): wondering what this spot is like
Positives
- It is better for 05R movements than most spots at AKL and allows you both take off and landing shots without glass.
- It's most certainly lacking in klingons (which is nice)
- It's sheltered to an extent from the elements
Negatives
- It's horrendously expensive to park your car there. Fine if you aren't driving
- During the summer particularly it is proned to heat haze from the aircon units on top of domestic and of course the 733/A320 APUs blowing exhaust gases. The heat haze can ruin otherwise acceptable photos (not good for the real spotters who log individual regos for a database :-P) This means that the few gaps between the haze can produce a less than ideal angle (especially if there's a few spotters up there for an exotic.)
NZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 5672 posts, RR: 40 Reply 188, posted (2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3296 times:
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 187): heat haze from the aircon units on top of domestic and of course the 733/A320 APUs blowing exhaust gases.
My pet peeves of the spot! If only the control tower was open to the public Though there are times when you can have a near empty terminal and a huge area free of exhaust haze to shoot through.
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 187): It's sheltered to an extent from the elements
I was up there on a rainy windy day and the wind was blowing the rain in by more than a length of a carpark.. It wasn't great! But I still managed this when the rain band passed:
zkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 774 posts, RR: 1 Reply 189, posted (2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3283 times:
Quoting 777ER (Reply 144): Since its so popular, is NZ considering upgrading it to an A320?
Keep in mind that it is a (purpously) loss-making route. Adding more capacity is potentially cannibalising passengers from the profitable (normally priced) flights.
Quoting 777ER (Reply 168): Would be even better if NZ could park the HA B763 beside the A330 at the gate?
Probably a bit difficult during a heavy maintenance check.
Quoting kiwirob (Reply 175): There was an engine from NZB stored at Auckland Museum for a time, I don't know if it still there, it was never on public display.
MOTAT has an engine from the crashed DC8 in one of the sheds out-back. Might be the same one that you mentioned.
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 188): If only the control tower was open to the public
The control tower has a very nice balcony just below where the controllers sit. As-well as the domestic terminal, it gives a fairly decent view of the eastern end of the international terminal. Unfortunately, on my only trip up there I was obsessed with taking videos.
Congrats on the great photos (as always), NZ107. Hawaiian has some very nice looking A330s, certainly the prettiest of the ones that make it to this part of the world.
PA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 688 posts, RR: 0 Reply 190, posted (2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3049 times:
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 184): What does the present air services agreement dating back to about 1985 allow ?
AR had local traffic AKL-SYD-AKL, so reciprocal rights would permit NZ to fly EZE-GRU-EZE or EZE-GIG-EZE.
There was some news footage of John Key in Brasilia referrng to the just signed 'open skies' agreement and saying Air NZ did not have an aircraft capable of flying nonstop to Brazil but it may be possible with the 787. However, the 744 and 77W can fly AKL-GRU or AKL-GIG nonstop, but the return flight would be about two hours longer and need to stop somewhere like EZE or SCL. POA-AKL may be too far. Also, an 'open skies' agreement means GRU-LHR or GIG-LHR is possible.
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22698 posts, RR: 88 Reply 191, posted (2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2936 times:
I like to give myself a trip somewhere warm in July and I've been thinking about where to go this year - Broome, Darwin, or somewhere more exotic, Vietnam, perhaps.
I read in the paper that the President of Myanmar is here to strengthen ties and that scratched my itch - I've never been there and I'd like to see it before western commercialism hits too hard.
I checked the various airline websites and I can get there easy enough, most of the Asian airlines offer AKL-RGN, but I was surprised that neither Air New Zealand, Virgin Australia or Qantas even recognized RGN - or Yangon.
So, just for kicks, I checked SGN. And I was a bit shocked that Air NZ didn't recognize that, either - no matches found.
I remembered that Air NZ used have a code share - with United, via Hong Kong:
aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6320 posts, RR: 14 Reply 192, posted (2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2918 times:
Quoting mariner (Reply 191): I remembered that Air NZ used have a code share - with United, via Hong Kong:
I flew a very tired UA 744 to SGN 3 years ago, was available then, probably just a restritive site. Plenty of asian airline partners since then too like CX/KA and more I guess
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22698 posts, RR: 88 Reply 193, posted (2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2909 times:
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 192): I flew a very tired UA 744 to SGN 3 years ago, was available then, probably just a restritive site. Plenty of asian airline partners since then too like CX/KA and more I guess
And I noticed on FR24 right at the time of the landing (no idea of the emergency at the time) that other planes were holding south of the airport and doing odd patterns, as well as TG494. Maybe the blown tyre was a result of the engine problem?
aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6320 posts, RR: 14 Reply 199, posted (2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2407 times:
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 197): Maybe the blown tyre was a result of the engine problem?
Aircraft blew a tyre out of BKK, put on localised standby priority which clears all other traffic etc. The concern I understand that the second tyre would blow out.
nzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1487 posts, RR: 1 Reply 201, posted (2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2332 times:
Yes we were caught up in that delay circling in the air . Quite a weird feeling being up in the air hearing about a possible emergency where your supposed to of landed just prior to that Thai A/C .
nz2 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2007, 182 posts, RR: 0 Reply 202, posted (2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2332 times:
Hi guys, I have booked a trip to SYD for the Bledisloe Cup in AUG and a mate has just told me he will come also but will go Biz to get some extra status point. In order to sit with him I need to upgrade and I am wondering with the TTAS one up upgrade system, which is the most likely way of obtaining an upgrade from Y. I can either use a comp upgrade or do the bid system. Will a comp application with gold status be worth as much as a "reasonable" bid with points? Previosuly I have used the comp upgrade and no issues but just wondered if others have seen any trends emerging. thanks!
koruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 2979 posts, RR: 6 Reply 205, posted (2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2187 times:
NZ2, it's unpredictable because they use different inventory.
Firstly, you need to buy at least Seat plus Bag.
Secondly, I'd go OneUp, and bid over $400 to maximise my chances.
If you were GE as opposed to G you could access R inventory now for a Recognition Upgrade, but in spite of the spin we now know that your Recognition inventory at 72 hours will be whatever hasn't been OneUp'd, so my advice is just request to use a Recognition if your OneUp is rejected.
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6929 posts, RR: 10 Reply 208, posted (2 months 15 hours ago) and read 1284 times:
Quoting Andrensn (Reply 207): Won't Q300's be too much capacity for this route?
I'm very suprised to see a Q would be used on the route, although the Q will only be used on Sunday while the B1900 does the double daily weekday runs
Quoting Andrensn (Reply 207): Do we need tighter controls at airports in NZ considering what this man attempted to do?
It would be very expensive putting barbed wire fences around every regional airport in the country. In some airports a person doesn't even have to hop the fence, but rather just go through a gate for GA pilots. Taupo, Nelson & Gisborne spring to mind
aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2410 posts, RR: 4 Reply 209, posted (2 months 11 hours ago) and read 1225 times:
Quoting mariner (Reply 193): It was the Air New Zealand website.
Yeah, the NZ website is pretty restrictive when it comes to booking flights to destinations a little outta the way (but, you know, have either great tourism industries or are significant cities in their own right). For a carrier that touts its Star Alliance connections pretty avidly, it seems odd that it provides so little selection on its own website for the very countries Star carriers come from or serve. Wasn't that the point of these alliances?
PA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 688 posts, RR: 0 Reply 210, posted (2 months 2 hours ago) and read 1084 times:
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 208): Quoting Andrensn (Reply 207):
Won't Q300's be too much capacity for this route?
I'm very suprised to see a Q would be used on the route, although the Q will only be used on Sunday while the B1900 does the double daily weekday runs
A twice daily HLZ-PMR-NSN return with a Q300 would be about right. Combining the existing twice daily HLZ-PMR return 1900D pax with existing HLZ-WLG-NSN pax going via PMR instead, and in less time. Also fits with the stated intention to replace some 1900D services with Q300's as they are replaced by new ATR's.
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6929 posts, RR: 10 Reply 211, posted (2 months 1 hour ago) and read 1022 times:
Quoting PA515 (Reply 210): A twice daily HLZ-PMR-NSN return with a Q300 would be about right. Combining the existing twice daily HLZ-PMR return 1900D pax with existing HLZ-WLG-NSN pax going via PMR instead, and in less time.
It's the 1900 twice daily on weekdays with the single Q300 flight on sundays. The 1900 flights continue to WLG in the afternoon
The upgauge as part of this trial actually involves a Q300 operating the first BHE-WLG and last WLG-BHE of the day. This freed up a 1900D to try something else which has always been the intention. Upgauge and trial different routes and combinations and see how the market responds.
PA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 688 posts, RR: 0 Reply 213, posted (1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 973 times:
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 211): It's the 1900 twice daily on weekdays with the single Q300 flight on sundays. The 1900 flights continue to WLG in the afternoon
Appreciate that, but after the trial it could be implemented as suggested.
Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 212): The upgauge as part of this trial actually involves a Q300 operating the first BHE-WLG and last WLG-BHE of the day. This freed up a 1900D to try something else which has always been the intention. Upgauge and trial different routes and combinations and see how the market responds.
When NSN-PMR was previously operated with a 1900D starting the day in NSN, there was a NSN-HLZ return as well. The schedule for this 1900D has the aircraft at NSN from 0925 to 1630. Are there other sectors operated out of NSN by this aircraft or does it position to/from BHE?
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