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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 124  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 22578 times:
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Welcome to thread #124, in 123 New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 123 (by SA7700 Jan 1 2013 in Civil Aviation) we learnt and discussed:

- JQ and international - domestic connections
- NZ and the chances of flying to small places like Picton, Stewart Island with a fleet of otters
- Air Chathams
- Q300/ATR schedules
- NZ B733/A320 schedules
- NZ new livery paint schedule
- ATRs on WLG-AKL when the 737s are retired?
- Could NZ be a launch customer for the proposed 90 seat ATR?
- TransAsia considering New Zealand services
- Ex Air Nelson GM goes to JQ
- AKL domestic getting.......another revamp
- NZ Q300 crash landing at BHE in 2011 report released
- NZ Y+ customer benefits
- Commerce Comminsion looking into NZs credit card fees

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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 22594 times:

Continue from last thread, the NZ 77W seats are not that bad as long as you are not in an aisle seat, the difference between the 77W and 77E is hardly noticeable (except for the IFE) from a window seat. I would still choose a 10 across NZ 77E over the shell seats CX has on their 343. But then NZ would very likely put the 789 on AKL-HKG, so the product would definitely be better than CX until the 359 come.

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 22480 times:

Suprised no one has mentioned that Grant Kerr, the GM of Air Nelson has left to take up a role as CEO of Jetstar NZ

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25277 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 22478 times:
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From the last thread:

"Apparently not bookable yet; but it'll operate every Tuesday between the end of October and the end of March."

So - if I've got it right - it isn't year round yet, it isn't flying now, it will become year round after this winter season?

Thanks.

mariner



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 22417 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 3):

I think that's the deal - once it restarts over our winter, it'll just continue over our summer too. Sorry, can't post the link here (would have done so above if that was allowed) but if you know what site has all this route/GDS info, you'll find it there.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 22301 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 2):

Yes that was discussed in the previous thread and was covered in the last thread catch up in my opening post.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 22052 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):

My mistake

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...3008/Ban-Muslim-men-from-planes-MP

This has probably got more to do with politics than aviation, but the link is still there. I cannot imagine what NZ as a country will be like if this douche got his way with who can who can't fly


User currently offlinebonzolab From New Zealand, joined Jun 2012, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21888 times:

Hi any info available on today's NZ99?

User currently offlinehaggis73 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21861 times:

Quoting bonzolab (Reply 13):
Hi any info available on today's NZ99?

We were told it was cancelled due to a volcano erupting either in Japan or enroute.

[Edited 2013-02-11 21:27:03]

User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21684 times:

''Wellington Airport is 'charging too much' - commission''

Wellington Airport is making too much money for the services it offers, according to the Commerce Commission.

A report from the commission says a reasonable return for the airport is between 7.1% and 8%, but its analysis shows over the next five years Wellington Airport's expected to make up to 15.2%.

This means it is likely to recover between $38 and $69 million more from consumers than it says is reasonable.

http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/well...arging-too-much-commission-5337102



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 21464 times:

Just wondering if anyone knows what the load factors are like on SQ298 out of CHC? Is there any online data available? Thanks

User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 21384 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 16):

Just wondering if anyone knows what the load factors are like on SQ298 out of CHC? Is there any online data available? Thanks

SQ are operating to CHC daily all year round now, this suggests they are fairly happy with the load factors.



Piper power!
User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21255 times:

According to FR24 QF27 SYD-SCL is currently on approach to CHC.

User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 21188 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 18):
According to FR24 QF27 SYD-SCL is currently on approach to CHC.

Must be a medical or technical diversion. The aircraft was to the east of Dunedin when it showed up on FR24 heading back towards CHC.



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User currently offlinenzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 20918 times:

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 19):
Must be a medical or technical diversion. The aircraft was to the east of Dunedin when it showed up on FR24 heading back towards CHC.

Yes it was a medical .



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 20852 times:

Looks like NZ is sending the 772 back on AKL-PPT.. The Monday flight will be a 772. Too late for K'man though I think..


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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 20809 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 20):
muslim women wearing full face covering clothing shouldn't be allowed to fly I would agree with him

They are subject to the same screening as you and if they refuse then they are offloaded..... Face/Name Passport check downstairs, face/passport check by customs and then another face/name/boarding pass check at the gate. , I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to where what they like/feel comfortable in any more than those who choose to wear what is basically beach/sleeping attire can wear what they like, even if I personally think that both ridiculous and unsafe and think they should have to wear smart casual attire..as if they were going to a restaurant, not PJs or Jandals.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 22):
Looks like NZ is sending the 772 back on AKL-PPT

has been on and off for a while..


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20805 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 22):
Looks like NZ is sending the 772 back on AKL-PPT.. The Monday flight will be a 772. Too late for K'man though I think..

I've got into the habit of getting to PPT on Hawaiian Airlines, via Honolulu, either stand-alone or on the way back from the US mainland. Haven't done it on NZ for almost a year, and even when I did, I flew into PPT on Hawaiian and out to AKL on Air NZ.

The Business Class fares Australia-Tahiti on NZ remain competitive, but for me there are two deal-breakers:

1) Airpoints earning in Business Class is now derisory, although Status Points accrual is still fine.

2) The codeshare USA-Australia fares with a PPT stop on Air NZ are not viable. The fare levels are 50% higher than Trans-Pacific fares without a stopover, and whereas the "journey" concept used to mean that Airpoints and Status Credits were earned in both directions, now there is no recognition of the codeshared LAX-PPT sector.

I find it rather sad, to be honest. And anyway, the 777 needed to be on LAX-PPT, not PPT-AKL. That's where the volumes and the yields were and still are.

As I always used to write, they should have coordinated schedules between:

a 77E flying AKL-LAX-PPT-LAX-AKL
an A320 or 763 flying AKL-PPT-AKL.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25277 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 20278 times:
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Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 34):
You try sitting behind someone from Moscow to Vladivostok with an upset dog, it started whimpering and howling from take-off to landing, I wasn't the only person who would have happily strangled it.

In a long life-time of flying I think the times I've encountered a lapdog on a plane can be counted on the fingers of one hand and none of them were a problem.

As I tried to point out, I've had other misadventures on flights and none go them involved dogs or veiled women. I did get trapped by an over-zealous, bible bashing American woman who wanted me to embrace born-again on the plane. So I told her I'm unrepentently gay and she asked to change seats.

I'm sure many of us have "unfortunate other passenger" stories, but I'm not sure I'd want to live in your over-regulated world.

mariner

[Edited 2013-02-14 12:48:06]


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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 19991 times:

Well, my Air NZ mole (in sales, not strategy) thinks that there will be a dual model long-haul.

China and Japan will have a Jetstar International model (LCC plus Business recliners) while North America will "grow". Whatever that means.

Personally, I'd have liked to see the 789 used to make SFO, YVR and Houston daily, while either extending NZ5/6 from LAX to Manchester or NZ7/8 from SFO to Heathrow.

But the plan still seems to be to install a high-density configuration with China and Japan in mind.


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 19974 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 45):
China and Japan will have a Jetstar International model (LCC plus Business recliners) while North America will "grow". Whatever that means.

If that was really the case, that would mean dual configuration to the same aircraft type? Would that really be a good idea for aircraft usage and rotation? 767 won't stay long so I can't see how that will work.


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 19936 times:

Beyond Australia made sense.

Half a decade ago.


User currently offline777er From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 19851 times:
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Please keep this thread on topic and not turn it into an anti muslim thread. I've just deleted over 20 replys due to replys being off topic and political. These threads are a fantastic way to discuss New Zealand aviation movements, NZ, JQ, QF, EK etc etc etc ops in NZL so lets keep it that way.

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25277 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 19730 times:
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Quoting koruman (Reply 21):
Beyond Australia made sense.

Half a decade ago.

I think it makes sense now, K'man, it's just that we - you and I - have diametrically different views of it.

You want the high-concept glitzy routes to the glam cities with snazzy widebodies. That's fine and I mostly leave all that to you.

I'm a workhorse. I am interested in the almost completely ignored (by Aussie airlines) routes to "nearer Asia" - and probably with the A320.

mariner



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User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 19647 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 23):
I'm a workhorse. I am interested in the almost completely ignored (by Aussie airlines) routes to "nearer Asia" - and probably with the A320.

Indonesia? Philippines? That could be a very interesting option though I believe the Indonesians had a hostile view of the Virgin operations to their country for a while because of their use of PacBlue NZ aircraft and crews, for some convoluted offence New Zealand had caused (hence the few aircraft with 'Airline of Virgin Blue' that operated for a while).

Not sure if that was specific to Virgin or a broader swipe at New Zealand, and whether the mood had since changed.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25277 posts, RR: 85
Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19699 times:
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Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 24):
Indonesia? Philippines? That could be a very interesting option though I believe the Indonesians had a hostile view of the Virgin operations to their country for a while because of their use of PacBlue NZ aircraft and crews, for some convoluted offence New Zealand had caused (hence the few aircraft with 'Airline of Virgin Blue' that operated for a while).

Sure, and Malaysia - Borneo and Penang.

I don't know the state of the bilaterals - not my area - but I am told that all the Australian allocation to Indonesia are being used. I don't know how the NZ bilaterals stand.

Even so, I am really quite shocked at how the Australian airlines ignore Lombok (what Bali used to be), Balikpapan (oil industry and historical WW2 associations), Penang (massive hi tech behind the beaches), Kota Kinabalu (it's got it all, including the rainforests) and I'd love to see any airline fly to the southern Philippines - there's more to that country than Manila.

There are others - Pulau didn't work when Strategic flew it with the A330 (duh!) but there is a market (many Japanese), and probably from CNS or TSV. Jayapura, in West Papua, has no airline service to Oz. And speaking of Papua (New Guinea), the Oz airlines all go through Port Moresby, there's nothing to Lae or Rabaul or Madang

I doubt any of these would work as daily non-stops from the big eastern cities, but many of them could by flown with the A320 from DRW (or CNS/TSV for Pulau/PNG) and it is possible that there are a couple of potential routes from PHE or KTA, both at the epicentre of the resources industry which has no airline business connections except to backtrack through PER.

Throughout the world, airlines tend to fly to their nearest neighbours, but Australia seems still stuck in the long-haul hang-up, with Jetstar making only a minor dent in this at DRW, and only to the obvious suspects.

mariner



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User currently offlineAndrensn From New Zealand, joined Jun 2012, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 19579 times:

Is there a reliable source on the internet that can show me which gates flights at AKL use.
Any help is much appreciated


User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 19767 times:

What is the state of play regarding the much talked about northern runway at AKL? Is this still in the works or are the authorities still stuck in the discussion process?

With a handful of international carriers expressing interest in services to AKL I wonder if things may progress more quickly due to possible congestion issues.

I remember a few years ago there were issues regarding the eventual removal of old Maori grave sites, but since then haven't heard much else.

[Edited 2013-02-15 17:08:00]

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 28, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 19748 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 27):
With a handful of international carriers expressing interest in services to AKL I wonder if things may progress more quickly due to possible congestion issues.

I think it's just like the new domestic terminal. AKL really need it but it's on the back burner for 'later'. I know the domestic terminal is getting another upgrade but the lack of gate space in the is shocking at many times, pays to start with the new terminal that has more gates before it gets too bad. Same goes for the runway but I think they are happy with being more reactive than proactive in these matters


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5334 posts, RR: 11
Reply 29, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 19619 times:

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 26):

Is there a reliable source on the internet that can show me which gates flights at AKL use.

Which flights? International or domestic? Not to many use the same gate I wouldn't think not sure these days. SQ285/6 often uses Pier B and the US bound flights use gates 6, 7, 8, 10 which have the second security point.

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 27):
What is the state of play regarding the much talked about northern runway at AKL? Is this still in the works or are the authorities still stuck in the discussion process?

Still in the works but onhold for now. IMO AKL doesn't need another runway for sometime yet.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 28):
I know the domestic terminal is getting another upgrade but the lack of gate space in the is shocking at many times, pays to start with the new terminal that has more gates before it gets too bad

I think the problem is that if they build a new terminal to the north of the International then taxi times will be longer as it is further from the existing runway, thats part of the issue with the second runway and why it is required.


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3005 posts, RR: 27
Reply 30, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 19438 times:

This has been one of my pet peeves for a while, but now it looks like NZ is absolutely gouging PE pax on N.American connections.

I was looking at PE fares for May 8-21:

AKL-YOW-LAX/SFO-LAX/SFO-AKL-LAX/SFO (NZ) $3233/3159*

So NZ is ripping off almost $2000 for the N. American connections by marking up the N. American segment fares by 400%.

Advice to anyone connecting within N. America: buy a separate ticket on a N. American carrier.

* Calculated using the AC fare bucket in which NZ buys connections

[Edited 2013-02-16 03:43:14]

[Edited 2013-02-16 03:44:12]

Ignore this post - it got garbled by the edit function (again)


[Edited 2013-02-16 03:45:45]


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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 31, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 19434 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 29):
IMO AKL doesn't need another runway for sometime yet.

Well they kinda need it if they're going to start building the new domestic terminal - they need to coincide the opening of the new runway with the new terminal to make things a lot easier for transitioning.. And reduce the number of regional planes always having to go past the international terminal. But I still think they should be building the new parallel runway out into the harbour.



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 32, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 19426 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 31):
But I still think they should be building the new parallel runway out into the harbour.

That would make sense to me aswell. Bit strange having the 2nd runway primarily for domestic traffic to the north of the airfield when most flights come in from the south. But the cost would be horrendous I think


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 33, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 19408 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 32):

That would make sense to me aswell. Bit strange having the 2nd runway primarily for domestic traffic to the north of the airfield when most flights come in from the south. But the cost would be horrendous I think

Probably more resource consent issues too.. Although the noise issue would be less of a problem and they shouldn't be restricted to the length either. Sometimes I wish airport building here was like how it's done in China.. They just build it wherever and whenever.



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 34, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 19389 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 23):
I'm a workhorse. I am interested in the almost completely ignored (by Aussie airlines) routes to "nearer Asia" - and probably with the A320.

PR have just announced MNL-DRW-BNE with A320. I think this opens up a very interesting possibility for AKL if PR are game (though several Reps told me that the 333HGW was what they were waiting for when the President of Phils came)

a MNL-CNS-AKLwith A320, or MNL-BNE-AKL with an A319 would be pretty cool.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25277 posts, RR: 85
Reply 35, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 19282 times:
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Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 35):
PR have just announced MNL-DRW-BNE with A320.

That's the sort of route I was talking about. DRW is the obvious choice for 'nearer Asia' flights, although CNS would work for some - eastern nearer Asia.

There are range limitations. Despite some of the manufacturer's claims, I have always understood that the effective range of the A320 with a full commercial payload is about 2500 miles although the Neo will improve that. Lacsa/TACA trIed SJO-LAX with the A320 (2700 miles) but it almost always had to take a fuel stop at ACA, at least southbound.

So I very much doubt that the A320 (or A319) could make BNE-MNL but CNS-MNL might be possible and CNS-ZAM (Zamboanga - with its pink sand beaches) would be a breeze.

On the other side of the continent, if the Aussies had any sense they'd upgrade BME to full international capability and then much of western nearer Asia becomes possible, from a very attractive and desirable jumping-off point.

mariner



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User currently offlineAndrensn From New Zealand, joined Jun 2012, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 19102 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 29):
Which flights? International or domestic? Not to many use the same gate I wouldn't think not sure these days. SQ285/6 often uses Pier B and the US bound flights use gates 6, 7, 8, 10 which have the second security point.

Ideally international but domestic would also be helpful. I know AKL doesn't show gates on their website like at CHC but is there really no other source?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 37, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 18955 times:
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Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 30):

I know what your talking about! When I was booking my USA flights for December/January last year I decided to book the WLG-AKL-LAX sector using airpoints, then pay for the LAX-DTW-LAX on US and then pay the LAX-AKL-WLG with NZ. I knew the fares would be charged in USA dollars but I wasn't expecting the heart attack when I went to purchase the fares. Y+ was nearly $3000 (once converted into NZL dollars) for a January 17th departure back home with a routing from LAX to AKL via SFO (only option NZ would give me when there were NZ5 and NZ1 operating that day). Needless to say I contacted NZ and got the airpoints purchase reversed and put more airpoints dollars onto my account to purchase the full return NZ fare on airpoints. Saved nearly $1000 doing that! Ended up paying over $1000 later to change my US flights as my flight from WLG-AKL was cancelled due to fog on December 23rd.........thank goodness for travel insurance!


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3005 posts, RR: 27
Reply 38, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18778 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 37):

I haven't looked at the mandate of the NZL Commerce Commission, but if this were happening in Canada (400% markup on connections to a long-haul sector on which an airline has a monopoly), I suspect the Competition Bureau would be all over it.



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User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3005 posts, RR: 27
Reply 39, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18783 times:

I probably should clarify, as my previous post became garbled:

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 30):
I was looking at PE fares for May 8-21:

AKL-YOW-LAX/SFO-LAX/SFO-AKL-LAX/SFO (NZ) $3233/3159*

So NZ is ripping off almost $2000 for the N. American connections by marking up the N. American segment fares by 400%.

Advice to anyone connecting within N. America: buy a separate ticket on a N. American carrier.

* Calculated using the AC fare bucket in which NZ buys connections

The NZ PE fare for YOW-AKL-YOW is $5144, almost $2000 more than the same flights in the same fare classes booked on separate tickets.



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 40, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 18765 times:

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 26):
Is there a reliable source on the internet that can show me which gates flights at AKL use.
Any help is much appreciated

Me. lol It changes on a daily basis based on overall capacity, number of A380s on ground, overall widebody/narrowbody. some aircraft types can't go on certain gates others have to go on certain gates, some gates have to have certain flights so there are certain patterns that are followed.


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 18206 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 40):
some aircraft types can't go on certain gates
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 40):
others have to go on certain gates

Is there a list of these somewhere? Thanks.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 42, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 18077 times:
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Interesting post in 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13 (by iowaman Jan 14 2013 in Civil Aviation) about the first B787-9

Back to the 787-9, the list also shows ZB197 (LN 146) a 787-9 going to ANA. Why Boeing is building this aircraft for ANA before Air New Zealand, which is to take the first 787-9, is a mystery.

ZB001 Boeing
ZB002 Boeing
ZB021 Boeing
ZB197 ANA

I'm just guessing here but ZB021 is perhaps a production frame? Boeing need at least 1 production frame to certify the 787-9. ZB021 could be the one for Air New Zealand?


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 43, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 18033 times:

Uzbekistan airways are to fly two charters to CHC http://airlineroute.net/2013/02/19/hy-chc-apr13/

User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 17851 times:

Looks like us Aucklanders will get to see Fiji Airways' A330s five times a week. Details here:
http://www.airpacific.com/about-us/n...ease-flights-with-arrival-of-a330s

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 46):
If that was really the case, that would mean dual configuration to the same aircraft type?

Doesn't seem wise considering the fleet size is so small; a 767 going tech could problematic. If they had kept those other 767-300ERs that they leased, I would agree with you as that would make a subfleet more worthwhile.



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17245 times:

''Auckland Airport earnings jump''

Auckland International Airport, the nations busiest gateway, posted an 11% increase in first-half profit and lifted its full-year guidance as growth in domestic passenger traffic made up for a decline in those from overseas.

Profit rose to $76.9 million in the six months ended December 31, from $69 million a year earlier, the company said in a statement today.

Sales rose 3.6% to $223.6 million. Profit and sales beat First NZ Capitals forecasts for $75.2 million and $221.4 million respectively.

Intresting tho -

The decline reflected a 25% drop in transit passengers, which the company said reflected the exit of Qantas Airways on the Los Angeles route from Sydney and Aerolineas Argentinas on the Buenos Aires route.

http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/auckland-airport-earnings-jump-5347655

Now we wait for NZ's 1/2 year results next week? anybody want to place a bet on what were looking at?



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 46, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16755 times:
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Just read an e-mail from NZ about the NZ/CX alliance as its now 'live' regarding airpoints/status points earning. Heres a bit from the e-mail

Regardless of which carrier you fly on between Auckland and Hong Kong, to earn both
Airpoints Dollars and Status Points on this route make sure you're booked on a flight with an NZ flight number (e.g. NZ80 or NZ4990) and you'll earn according to the Airpoints Dollars or Status Points Earned on Air New Zealand Flights Table.

If you travel on Cathay flight numbers (e.g. CX117 or CX7401) between Auckland and Hong Kong you will earn Airpoints Dollars based on the Airline Partner Earn Chart


Maybe someone can help me here, if I book a flight thats operated by CX (say CX117) but has an NZ codeshare number (say NZ4990) do I earn based on NZs earning rate or the partner earning rate, or do I earn NZs rates if the flight is operated by NZ and partner airline rates if the flights operated by CX? The bit above about the earn rates got me a lill confussed


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16747 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 46):
Maybe someone can help me here, if I book a flight thats operated by CX (say CX117) but has an NZ codeshare number (say NZ4990) do I earn based on NZs earning rate or the partner earning rate, or do I earn NZs rates if the flight is operated by NZ and partner airline rates if the flights operated by CX? The bit above about the earn rates got me a lill confussed

As long as you book the flight with NZ flight number even if it's operated by CX, you will earn based on the NZ earn table and Status Points. This is the same with the VA alliance across the Tasman.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 48, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16694 times:
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Quoting xiaotung (Reply 47):

Cool, thanks.

Seems theres also a bit of confussion with the VA codeshares as it was also talked about in the Airpoints e-mail


User currently offlineAndrensn From New Zealand, joined Jun 2012, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 16250 times:

Does anyone know what this private jet has been doing in Nelson lately.
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Just as in this photo it has it's engine covers on and it's been parked outside the old Origin Pacific terminal for a couple of days now.


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 16208 times:

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 49):
Does anyone know what this private jet has been doing in Nelson lately.

Just as in this photo it has it's engine covers on and it's been parked outside the old Origin Pacific terminal for a couple of days now.

Maybe about to get refitted by Altitude?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 51, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 16190 times:

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 49):
http://mrcaviation.blogspot.co.nz/20...ternational-arrival-at-nelson.html - could be just a huge winery tour or something..



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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 16163 times:

Noting the threads about the BA/CX codeshares on routes between UK and Australia - I think BA has done a codeshare on HKG-AKL - is that still current? Almost taking us back to the days when the route was a twice weekly AirNZ DC-10 AKL to HKG to connect with a BA 747 to LHR - the 747 often making several stops between HKG and LHR. In those days, BA was the airline which "took more care of you". I wonder if we are very far away from having AirNZ connecting people onto BA again. There are quite a lot of alliances that are more unlikely than that.

User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 16146 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 52):
I wonder if we are very far away from having AirNZ connecting people onto BA again. There are quite a lot of alliances that are more unlikely than that.

I doubt it given NZ is still pursuing VS codeshare with codeshare on VS new UK domestic routes coming soon.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 54, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 16113 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 52):
I think BA has done a codeshare on HKG-AKL - is that still current?

LA, BA and now NZ codeshare on CX's AKL-HKG flight.



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User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16004 times:

In the latest NZ survey, the following cities are listed and respondents are asked how much they would be interested if they were offered by NZ. I assume these are the final contenders of new routes.

Ho Chi Minh City, Denver, Santiago, Houston, Singapore, Buenos Aires, Las Vegas, Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur,
Bangkok, Mexico City, Hanoi, Manila, Mumbai, Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro. Chicago, New York, Delhi, Johannesburg


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3205 posts, RR: 9
Reply 56, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 15780 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 54):
Quoting alangirvan (Reply 52):
I think BA has done a codeshare on HKG-AKL - is that still current?

LA, BA and now NZ codeshare on CX's AKL-HKG flight.

Do LA codeshare on the NZ metal flights from AKL-HKG now? And conversely, NZ on the LA flights to SCL?



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User currently onlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 15652 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 56):
Do LA codeshare on the NZ metal flights from AKL-HKG now? And conversely, NZ on the LA flights to SCL?

No! LA codeshare with CX AKL/HKG/AKL and CX with LA AKL/SCL/AKL as they are both One World carriers. Why would LA also want/need to codeshare with NZ?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 58, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 15655 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 56):

Do LA codeshare on the NZ metal flights from AKL-HKG now? And conversely, NZ on the LA flights to SCL?
Quoting deconz (Reply 57):
No! LA codeshare with CX AKL/HKG/AKL and CX with LA AKL/SCL/AKL as they are both One World carriers. Why would LA also want/need to codeshare with NZ?

Also the timing of the CX flights is far more suited to the LA codeshare - I wouldn't imagine wanting to arrive from SCL at 0430 and have to wait 19 hours for the NZ flight to HKG! That's insane. And on the return, CX still has a more favourable transit time by a couple of hours.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 59, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15625 times:
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Quoting xiaotung (Reply 55):

Link to this survey please?

HA is adding more frequency's to SYD, BNE and AKL during the American Fall break (our spring) http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/b...alia_New_Zealand.html?id=193124501 which will add around 8,800 more seats down under

NZ is introducing ANOTHER new safety video, this time featuring British Adventurer Bear Grylls

http://mashable.com/2013/02/26/bear-grylls-air-new-zealand/

Why can't NZ keep the current 'Hobbit' video? I really like that one!


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15589 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 59):
Link to this survey please?
www.airnzmyvoice.co.nz.

Not sure if you will get the same survey though as mine was sent to my email with a direct link.


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 4
Reply 61, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 15529 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 59):
Why can't NZ keep the current 'Hobbit' video? I really like that one!

It's a welcome relief from the mish mash they had before. And, shudder, Rico. I really like the lady elf in the Hobbit one. Presents a pretty classy image. Ahem  


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 62, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 15512 times:

Why they keep changing safety videos is beyond me, just make a good one and stick to it I reckon. These 'funny videos' have had their novelty worn off IMHO.

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 63, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15472 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 62):

Say that to the rest of the world's population then - I had at least 15 friends sharing the video today.. Different story if you see them again and again all the time but that goes with just about anything.



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User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4990 posts, RR: 5
Reply 64, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15446 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 45):
Auckland International Airport, the nations busiest gateway, posted an 11% increase in first-half profit and lifted its full-year guidance as growth in domestic passenger traffic made up for a decline in those from overseas.

Profit rose to $76.9 million in the six months ended December 31, from $69 million a year earlier, the company said in a statement today.

What does it cost them per share to service their debt? So far as I can tell they have about 1,323,000 shares outstanding . Is this right?


User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 943 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 15419 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 62):

Why they keep changing safety videos is beyond me, just make a good one and stick to it I reckon. These 'funny videos' have had their novelty worn off IMHO.

I think novelty is the whole point. Most people who have flown half a dozen times, let alone hundreds of times pay no attention at all to the safety briefing. I could probably do the announcement myself while stowing my carry on. Still, things do change from time to time and aircraft to aircraft. You need to have it fresh in your mind. I watch each new NZ video from start to finish. Since there are often things I missed the first time, I even pay attention subsequent times. After a while, they do start to bore me, and then NZ comes out with a new one.

The worst safety briefings are the ones spoken as fast as they can talk by some bored flight attendant. No one actually hears a word. Nothing sinks in. Even the recorded briefings by most airlines just bounce off most people's ears. And exactly why do I want to be greeted by a recording of Jeff Smisek? NZ has the right idea, every one else doesn't.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 66, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15169 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 62):
Why they keep changing safety videos is beyond me, just make a good one and stick to it I reckon. These 'funny videos' have had their novelty worn off IMHO.

They are brand awareness in lieu of more expensive forms of advertising. 2-1 if you will.


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 867 posts, RR: 1
Reply 67, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 15058 times:

Announced this morning in the half year results (amonst other things)

"Backing up the airline's confidence in its future, the company will lease two additional Boeing 777-300ER aircraft to join the fleet in 2014."

Can't provide a link yet as info was in the news release email from my stockbroker. The mainstream media should cover the announcement shortly and that will enable a link to verify.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25277 posts, RR: 85
Reply 68, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 15050 times:
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Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 67):
The mainstream media should cover the announcement shortly and that will enable a link to verify.

Done. Although - for me - the more interesting thing was the greatly improved profit:

http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/air-n...earnings-more-300-percent/5/148679

"Air NZ half year earnings up more than 300 percent

Backing up the airline’s confidence in its future, the company will lease two additional Boeing 777-300ER aircraft to join the fleet in 2014."


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User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 15047 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 68):
Backing up the airline’s confidence in its future, the company will lease two additional Boeing 777-300ER aircraft to join the fleet in 2014."

So the 2x remaining 744s will be replaced be 77W next year instead on 789s?


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 867 posts, RR: 1
Reply 70, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 15048 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 69):
So the 2x remaining 744s will be replaced be 77W next year instead on 789s?

Luxon made it quite clear in the press conference these extra 77W aircraft are for growth and not as an insurance policy on the 789. The first of the 787s are meant to replace the remaining 744s but all in all, I think we'll be seeing 4-5 wide body arrivals in a short space of time with only 2 departures so definitely a net gain.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25277 posts, RR: 85
Reply 71, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 15026 times:
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Quoting zkncj (Reply 69):
So the 2x remaining 744s will be replaced be 77W next year instead on 789s?

I guess. I leave all that to the Aircraft Wallahs.

But given those numbers I think the departed Mr. Fyfe deserves a cheer or three.

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User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4990 posts, RR: 5
Reply 72, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 15023 times:

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 70):
Luxon made it quite clear in the press conference these extra 77W aircraft are for growth

Does this mean EZE or GRU ? Perhaps not coincidentally, it is about then that NZ's 77W's will qualify for EDTO 330 min.


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 867 posts, RR: 1
Reply 73, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15000 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 72):
Does this mean EZE or GRU ? Perhaps not coincidentally, it is about then that NZ's 77W's will qualify for EDTO 330 min.

I too hope something like that is the case


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 74, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14988 times:

Interestingly, delivery is slated for one in 2014 and the other in 2015 - so we'll still be waiting for 2+ years for this new route.


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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 75, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14962 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 72):
Does this mean EZE or GRU ? Perhaps not coincidentally, it is about then that NZ's 77W's will qualify for EDTO 330 min.

Having spent a very happy month here in South America, and having passed through both airports (along with 5 others within Sth Am) I'm hoping so finally....although I do wonder if it won't be the 77Es doing the 'growth' and the 77Ws doing existing routes such as HKG/YVR....

I believe if it is South America then it will be EZE. I think the charter last year was not just a random event, more route proving - and they filled it just fine. GRU is the market everyone should be into, but I think that there might be more operational restrictions than EZE which can provide feed onto AC to SCL TK to GRU amongst others.. EZE terminal has come a long way since I was there last, and the Star Alliance lounge is rather nice. LIM terminal is definitely coming on strong with TA/AV too, so that's the rank outsider in the South American options right now.. My feeling is no matter what happens with JJ and Star, NZ will negotiate with them eventually.

I'm flying home next week from here in Peru. It really would be good for me to have another more direct Star Alliance link . (that isn't UA Yuck)...

My hunch is that with the 2 extra aircraft it will be another North American route and one other..


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 76, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 14912 times:

@aerorobnz
There already is a Star Alliance option.

I fly NZ to LAX, then Copa to Brazil or Uruguay, and their Business Class recliners go for around $2500 return from LAX, which is very good value, and less than half the TAM fare.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 77, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 14906 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 76):
I fly NZ to LAX, then Copa to Brazil or Uruguay, and their Business Class recliners go for around $2500 return from LAX, which is very good value, and less than half the TAM fare.

agreed it is technically an option and I did look at it seriously, but I'm not so interested in 2x 7h+ sectors in a row in a 737 meaning it can only be considered seriously in Business class..and there are plenty who have no interest in going through the US.. I used to prefer AV ex LAX via BOG because it was 762/330s all the way - AV have the best inflight coffee you will find.... TA still has an option via LAX/SFO-/GUA/SJO-LIM on their 320/321s...

My option was AKL-HKG-IST-GRU-EZE..J & Y+ all the way on NZ/TK.. I guess it is technically a mileage run though. I'm now familiar with AR/AU/LA/LP/TA/2I/AV/06/P3 within South America, next time I might give CM a go.


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Reply 78, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14939 times:
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The extra 77W's (OKR and OKS) are undeed for growth as per the announcement this morning and NOT to allow the retirement of the 744. In fact OKR is scheduled to be delivered at the same time as NZE, the first 789. Couple of routes under consideration but I obviously cannot divulge where on here.

NZ1


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14901 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 75):
I believe if it is South America then it will be EZE. I think the charter last year was not just a random event, more route proving - and they filled it just fine. GRU is the market everyone should be into, but I think that there might be more operational restrictions than EZE which can provide feed onto AC to SCL TK to GRU amongst others.. EZE terminal has come a long way since I was there last, and the Star Alliance lounge is rather nice. LIM terminal is definitely coming on strong with TA/AV too, so that's the rank outsider in the South American options right now.. My feeling is no matter what happens with JJ and Star, NZ will negotiate with them eventually.

NZ started PEK just before the Olympics. If that had anything to do with management decision making, Brazil is hosting both the next World Cup and Olympics. Brazil is not only the biggest economy in South America it still remains the only feasible place with potential feed among *A partners. I believe *A is still counting on Avianca Brazil to come onboard. Otherwise NZ would have to look for an alliance outside of *A.


User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4990 posts, RR: 5
Reply 80, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14853 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 75):
although I do wonder if it won't be the 77Es doing the 'growth'

So far as I know the RR /77E combination is still awaiting > EDTO 180 minute certification from the FAA. Until this happens it is a non-starter on a South American run. Perhaps NZ1 is more upto date than I am on this.


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14835 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 74):
Interestingly, delivery is slated for one in 2014 and the other in 2015 - so we'll still be waiting for 2+ years for this new route.

Not correct. One in FY14 and the other in FY15 does mean both can be delivered in 2014 as FY15 is 01 Jul 2014 to 30 Jun 2015.

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 78):
The extra 77W's (OKR and OKS) are undeed for growth as per the announcement this morning and NOT to allow the retirement of the 744. In fact OKR is scheduled to be delivered at the same time as NZE, the first 789. Couple of routes under consideration but I obviously cannot divulge where on here.

The first 789 is now FY15 instead of FY14, so that delivery has slipped at least one month since the 2012 Annual Report.

PA515


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 4
Reply 82, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 14764 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 71):
But given those numbers I think the departed Mr. Fyfe deserves a cheer or three.

Indeed. Credit where it's due. Though I do think Luxon's focus on domestic should reap the rewards.

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 70):
Luxon made it quite clear in the press conference these extra 77W aircraft are for growth and not as an insurance policy on the 789.

Interesting times then. Could this herald the introduction of a second LHR route? That's a lot of plane to fill and I can't imagine many of the existing routes could fill the 77W... bar YVR. I'm still hanging out for an A321 purchase to bridge the gap when the 767s do eventually go.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 83, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 14768 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 81):

Ahh right, I overread the whole financial year thing.



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 84, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 14767 times:

The 77W is too big for most new routes.

I would use the 77E or 789 or even the 77L for new routes. Otherwise there will be a cycle of discounting to inflate loads, which will itself dilute yields.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25277 posts, RR: 85
Reply 85, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 14746 times:
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Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 82):
Though I do think Luxon's focus on domestic should reap the rewards.

Mayhap. But there is one footnote which has been overlooked:

http://www.travelweekly.com.au/trave...rnational-profit-helps-lift-air-nz

"Long haul yields and demand rose during the half year to December which helped push its international division into the black for the first time since the Global Financial Crisis."

International back in the black.

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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 86, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14726 times:

Great result for NZ, hope to see this get better in future.

NZ have introduced a 'fare hold fee' as well where you can pay a small fee to hold your fare for 3 days while sorting out plans etc etc... http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/fare-hold

Good to see the fleet expanding too


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 4
Reply 87, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14705 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 85):
Mayhap. But there is one footnote which has been overlooked:

It's also the most fickle. But a solid achievement nonetheless.

What concerns me is that when things are profitable, the airline has a tendency (or it has recently) to take its eye off its cost base. And I don't mean niggly things like serving cookies on planes. The profit figure is also before hedging losses/profits, which seems kinda odd. Anyone know whether they profited or lost from fuel hedging, and does this include currency "hedging"?

[Edited 2013-02-27 19:53:34]

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 88, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14706 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 85):

International back in the black.

Time to paint more black planes.. In fact, just change the livery to black.



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 89, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14675 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 88):
Time to paint more black planes.. In fact, just change the livery to black.

I hope not urgggh... 


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Reply 90, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14706 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 88):
Time to paint more black planes.. In fact, just change the livery to black.

Funny you should mention that, word around the hangar at the moment is that there has been a hold put on painting anymore aircraft or aicraft tails black. Possible review of the colour scheme is being banded around by senior management as the black is too "boring"

NZ1


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25277 posts, RR: 85
Reply 91, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14692 times:
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Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 87):
It's also the most fickle. But a solid achievement nonetheless.

If it is the nature of the beast, then there isn't a lot they can do about it - except attend to costs.

There has been a fair amount written about those costs today:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...363153/Air-NZ-interim-profit-soars

"Air New Zealand has focused on cutting costs, last year saying it would lower its head count by 441 staff out of about 11,000, which Luxon said had contributed $60m in savings towards an overall goal of $250m."

At an ex-fuel and currency hedging CASK of 7.48 cents (USD 6.1 cents) a number of foreign airlines might envy them, even some LCC's.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 89):
I hope not urgggh... 

I agree. I really don't like the black.

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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 92, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 14633 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 90):
Funny you should mention that, word around the hangar at the moment is that there has been a hold put on painting anymore aircraft or aicraft tails black. Possible review of the colour scheme is being banded around by senior management as the black is too "boring"

Music to our ears lol


User currently offlinerjm717 From Australia, joined May 2000, 87 posts, RR: 1
Reply 93, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14509 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 62):
Why they keep changing safety videos is beyond me, just make a good one and stick to it I reckon. These 'funny videos' have had their novelty worn off IMHO.

I flew NZ SYD-AKL-SFO and return J class in Nov and watched three different safety videos, including the Hobbit, on 4 flights. They were entertaining, informative and as I looked around the cabin everyone (and I mean everyone in a cabin full of frequent flyers) was watching them. That's the whole point of a safety video - to inform people.

If entertainment is added? A bonus.

R


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 94, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 14414 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 90):
Possible review of the colour scheme is being banded around by senior management as the black is too "boring"
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 92):

Music to our ears lol

Haha, it took a change in the CEO to bring about a thought which has circulated around here ever since the introduction of the new livery. Bring back the Pacific Wave!

Quoting mariner (Reply 91):

I agree. I really don't like the black.

If there was a vote, I'd vote for the All Blacks livery over the new white/black tail/new font livery.. But overall, I still prefer the Pacific Wave livery while keeping a couple of the All Blacks ones as specials.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 95, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 14389 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 94):
Bring back the Pacific Wave

Agree with you there. elegant and simple IMO

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 90):
Possible review of the colour scheme is being banded around by senior management as the black is too "boring"

I've heard the term 'cheap' used a few times to describe it. Either way, it's good if it is being reconsidered


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 96, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14304 times:

go from great news today to this;

''Air NZ pilot fell into 'deep sleep' in flight deck''

An Air New Zealand pilot fell into a "deep sleep" in the flight deck twice during a flight between London and Los Angeles.

The pilot said in a statement to 3 News that he suffered inadequate rest during a stopover in London and was "exhausted" before the flight to Los Angeles.

Air New Zealand has tonight said the pilot "nodded off twice for around a minute and woke spontaneously".

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10868391



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3205 posts, RR: 9
Reply 97, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14251 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 96):
"nodded off twice for around a minute and woke spontaneously"

Funny turn of phrase. I would have said he fell asleep 'spontaneously' and that he awoke 'unprompted'; 'nodding off' suggests a rather casual and relaxed environment (to me) rather than that of an airliner cockpit, the control room of a craft transporting hundreds of people thousands of miles.

On the NZ livery issue, keep black as our sporting colour; green, blue and white are the colours of our landscapes, oceans and skies - and traditionally of our airline.



come visit the south pacific
User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 98, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14224 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 96):

tbh, it was fossicked out from the official information act and happened in Nov 2011. The media love twisting things to their liking and there's a 3rd pilot for a reason. Having 3 nights in London should be long enough for a reasonable person to rest, even if it was during the day. Oh well..



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14214 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 72):
Does this mean EZE or GRU ? Perhaps not coincidentally, it is about then that NZ's 77W's will qualify for EDTO 330 min.

Air NZ should have achieved EDTO 330 with the 77W by now.

This 12 Dec 2011 Boeing media release says the FAA has approved EDTO 330 for the 777-300ER and that Air NZ had operated it's first 77W 240 ETOPS flight between LAX and AKL earlier that month, which is 12 months after the LAX-AKL delivery flight of OKM.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2070

The 1 Nov 2010 CAA Part 121.961 rule says EDTO 330 can be applied for after 12 months of EDTO 240, and the Part 121.963 rule says provided;
(2) the airframe and engine combination of the aeroplane to be used for the EDTO is approved by the State of Design to operate to the maximum diversion time requested by the certificate holder;

All the NZ CAA conditions appear to have been met.

PA515


User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4990 posts, RR: 5
Reply 100, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14130 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 99):
All the NZ CAA conditions appear to have been met.

True. But the operational constraints laid down in the EDTO standards are pretty confining especially since the only alternate is IPC . What happens if the IPC weather forecast is bad during the period that a diversion may need it? Does the aircraft stay on the ground until the forecast is acceptable? I can forsee real potential for delays.


User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14053 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 96):
The pilot said in a statement to 3 News that he suffered inadequate rest during a stopover in London and was "exhausted" before the flight to Los Angeles.

Air New Zealand has tonight said the pilot "nodded off twice for around a minute and woke spontaneously".

Could this be all about trying to wrangle better accommodation in London? Didn't it get downgraded a few years ago and there was some angst over it?

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 39):
The NZ PE fare for YOW-AKL-YOW is $5144, almost $2000 more than the same flights in the same fare classes booked on separate tickets.

Commerce commission take note.


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 867 posts, RR: 1
Reply 102, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 14122 times:

[quote=gasman,reply=101[/quote]

The current hotel in London changed not too long ago. I have friends who say there. Good location, no complaints so no, this has nothing to do with wrangling a hotel change.

[Edited 2013-02-28 11:37:56]

User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 4
Reply 103, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14072 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 90):
Funny you should mention that, word around the hangar at the moment is that there has been a hold put on painting anymore aircraft or aicraft tails black. Possible review of the colour scheme is being banded around by senior management as the black is too "boring"

Good god I hope so. Pleeeeeeease let this be so!

Quoting rjm717 (Reply 93):
If entertainment is added? A bonus.

Infotainment  


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 104, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14054 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 103):

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 90):
Funny you should mention that, word around the hangar at the moment is that there has been a hold put on painting anymore aircraft or aicraft tails black. Possible review of the colour scheme is being banded around by senior management as the black is too "boring"

Good god I hope so. Pleeeeeeease let this be so!

I know. If in fact this roumer is true then kudos to the new CEO for listening to staff/public opinion

More bad publicity for JQ, not letting the shark victim's mother change her flights
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8367...etstar-shock-for-shark-victims-mum

[Edited 2013-02-28 13:52:25]

User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 14020 times:

Today in the Sydney Morning Herald, NZ and VA are considering adding Pacific Island routes to the alliance. Time must fly. They are up for the 3 year alliance renewal before the end of the year.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/virgi...-island-routes-20130228-2f92i.html


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 106, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13949 times:

Interesting to note that Air New Zealand's 787s are going to come from the Charleston plant. I wonder if this is something they chose, or Boeing decided for them.

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 67):
"Backing up the airline's confidence in its future, the company will lease two additional Boeing 777-300ER aircraft to join the fleet in 2014."
Quoting mariner (Reply 68):
Air NZ half year earnings up more than 300 percent
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 78):
Couple of routes under consideration but I obviously cannot divulge where on here.
Quoting mariner (Reply 85):
"Long haul yields and demand rose during the half year to December which helped push its international division into the black for the first time since the Global Financial Crisis."
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 90):
Possible review of the colour scheme is being banded around by senior management as the black is too "boring"

Not sure which piece of news I like most. Looks like there will be better times ahead.      

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 94):
Bring back the Pacific Wave!

  

Quoting gasman (Reply 101):
Didn't it get downgraded a few years ago and there was some angst over it?

I know there have been issues with the hotel in Los Angeles which were discussed here a year or two ago.



Air New Zealand; first to fly the Boeing 787-9. ZK-NZE, NZ103 AKL-SYD, 2014/08/09. I was 83rd to board.
User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13835 times:

Page 8 of the 2013 Interim Report (page 10 of the pdf. document); '6. Operating Lease Commitments', says the two additional 77W's will be delivered in Jun 2014 and Sep 2014.

On the same page; '5 Capital Commitments', says two 320's previously for delivery in Oct 2014 and Dec 2014 have been 'accelerated' to Nov 2013 and Jul 2014.

Nothing on the 5 ATR options.

www.nzx.com/companies/AIR/announcements/233551

PA515


User currently offlinehaggis73 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13742 times:

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 67):
"Backing up the airline's confidence in its future, the company will lease two additional Boeing 777-300ER aircraft to join the fleet in 2014."

Any idea who they are leasing them from?

I see ALC has just placed an order for 10 77W from Boeing, I wonder if 2 of them are for NZ.


User currently offline777er From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 109, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13537 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 94):
Quoting mariner (Reply 91):I agree. I really don't like the black.If there was a vote, I'd vote for the All Blacks livery over the new white/black tail/new font livery.. But overall, I still prefer the Pacific Wave livery while keeping a couple of the All Blacks ones as specials.

I really like the silver fern against the black livery. The silver fern to me represents New Zealand 100% more then the colour black! Maybe some how NZ could incorporate the silver fern onto a new livery with the teal tail design and pacific wave.

Quoting PA515 (Reply 99):
Air NZ had operated it's first 77W 240 ETOPS flight between LAX and AKL earlier that month, which is 12 months after the LAX-AKL delivery flight of OKM.

How much did the 240ETOPS cut off the old B77W route?

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 105):

I really like this part of the article
Mr Luxon said the outlook was positive on the trans-Tasman route, while the airline was ''equally excited about opportunities within the broader Pacific Rim region'', including Asia and the Americas
Could we see VAs code on NZs LAX/SFO/YVR routes? Wouldn't mind seeing VA launch a South America/North America route from AKL with NZs code


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 110, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13490 times:

Quoting 777er (Reply 109):
Maybe some how NZ could incorporate the silver fern onto a new livery with the teal tail design and pacific wave.

Or seeing how they ditched the Pacific Wave, put the fern where the Pacific Wave used to be. It'd at least break the white up..



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offline777er From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 111, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13465 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 110):

And keep the black tail?

Wonder how well the silver fern would go against a white body, paint it dark silver?


User currently offlineHLZCPH From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13443 times:

I still think a retro scheme (DC8 style) would be good on one of the coming aircraft. And bring back some teal for the others!


July, AKL-SFO-LAS-SFO-AKL. last ride in the NZ 744?
User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4990 posts, RR: 5
Reply 113, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13320 times:

[quote=haggis73,reply=108]I see ALC has just placed an order for 10 77W from Boeing, I wonder if 2 of them are for NZ.



Given the size of the 77W order book I would have thought they would have been on order for longer unless ALC are converting options .


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13305 times:

Quoting haggis73 (Reply 108):
I see ALC has just placed an order for 10 77W from Boeing, I wonder if 2 of them are for NZ.
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 113):
Given the size of the 77W order book I would have thought they would have been on order for longer unless ALC are converting options .

ALC have issued a Press Release, they are leasing two 77W's to Air NZ. However it's not clear if these are from the latest order for 10 or the 5 ordered in Aug 2011. On 13 Jan 2013 Flightglobal said BA would be taking two of the 2011 order in May 2014 and Jun 2014 and the other three were for 2015 delivery.

The Air NZ aircraft could be options converted late or a swap of 2015 delivery positions from the 2011 order.

PA515


User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4990 posts, RR: 5
Reply 115, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12876 times:

Quoting 777er (Reply 109):
How much did the 240ETOPS cut off the old B77W route?

Not much. Maybe 20 to 30-min on some days.I believe it added another alternate , perhaps LAP in the southern end of the Baja
The following link illustrates the effect.
http://www.boeing.com/Features/2011/.../bca_777_performance_12_19_11.html


User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4990 posts, RR: 5
Reply 116, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12844 times:

Quoting 777er (Reply 109):
How much did the 240ETOPS cut off the old B77W route?

Another piece of FWIW I checked FlightAware flight plans for LAX-AKL-LAX for NZ 1/2 5/6 flights. At the equator the cross over points ranged from 150W to 162W . At 150w the line was virtually straight.


User currently offlinetimb777 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2009, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12692 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 10):
Just wondering if anyone knows what the load factors are like on SQ298 out of CHC? Is there any online data available? Thanks
Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 11):
SQ are operating to CHC daily all year round now, this suggests they are fairly happy with the load factors.

I flew this route in Nov and the aircraft was at about 90% load factor & again last month and the aircraft had every seat taken in both Y & J - so it seems to be doing rather well. Its definitely my favourite way to get to SE Asia / China- staying up all day flying over the spectacular Australian outback followed by an early evening arrival into SIN (or late evening if connecting to the likes of BKK or HKG) means almost no jetlag.


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 118, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12616 times:

Would someone be able to provide an update for upcoming NZ aircraft deliveries and retirements for 2013? Thanks.

User currently offlineHLZCPH From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 119, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12425 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 118):
Would someone be able to provide an update for upcoming NZ aircraft deliveries and retirements for 2013? Thanks.

I see on planespotters.net that NGE is stored in CHC, since 10/1/13. Does anyone know where she goes to next?



July, AKL-SFO-LAS-SFO-AKL. last ride in the NZ 744?
User currently offlinetimb777 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2009, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11948 times:

Anyone know what NZ's first long haul 787 route into or from CHC will be? Presumably it will be from Japan? Anything new on the horizon?

User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 121, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11930 times:

Quoting timb777 (Reply 120):
Anyone know what NZ's first long haul 787 route into or from CHC will be? Presumably it will be from Japan? Anything new on the horizon?

I don't think so.

My understanding is that the entire 787-9 fleet is currently intended to serve routes between Auckland and China in a high-density configuration.


User currently offlinebyronicle6 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11876 times:

Sorry if this has been previously discussed but is JQ ending AKL-SIN services as it doesnt seem to be bookable past OCT 2013

User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4990 posts, RR: 5
Reply 123, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11828 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 121):
My understanding is that the entire 787-9 fleet is currently intended to serve routes between Auckland and China in a high-density configuration

Any ideas on what the configuration will be?


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 124, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11818 times:

If all goes to plan and the 787's arrive next year they will be doing the PVG and Japan routes Bali and might even send it to HKG now the route doesn't go onto LHR , which would in tail move the 772 around and then start to replace the 763's. The 2 extra 77ws would we be looking at 2 or more routes? South America and XXX

2014 could be an interesting time if it all goes correct , just hope they don't go 3/4/3 on the 787!



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4990 posts, RR: 5
Reply 125, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11773 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 124):
The 2 extra 77ws would we be looking at 2 or more routes? South America and XXX

My view is that the 77E would be best suited to develope any new routes. A difficulty is that to the best of my knowledge the (RR/PW) /77E engine/airframe combinations are still awaiting the FAA to increase the EDTO beyond 180-mins. Any AKL-South America routing needs this as prerequisie as does AKL-IAH.

[Edited 2013-03-04 10:50:40]

User currently offlinetimb777 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2009, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11494 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 121):
I don't think so.
Then I guess that if it makes it to CHC it will just be on the AKL-NRT-CHC-AKL run....

My understanding is that the entire 787-9 fleet is currently intended to serve routes between Auckland and China in a high-density configuration.

Interesting, in that case the configuration presumably won't be suitable for premium heavy HNL / North America....?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 127, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11536 times:
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Quoting timb777 (Reply 126):

I could see the high config B787s serving HNL since its more a leisure/tourist destination then the mainland USA market which is more a business market you could say


User currently offlinenzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 128, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11468 times:

If the 787 replaces the 767 for NZ then one could imagine PPT getting the 787 also .


"Pride of the pacific"
User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3205 posts, RR: 9
Reply 129, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 11328 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 121):
My understanding is that the entire 787-9 fleet is currently intended to serve routes between Auckland and China in a high-density configuration.

Where did you glean this understanding from and can you elaborate please? Are you talking Y+ and Y only for example? I thought it was likely there was going to be a split configuration given the diversity of markets and that the 789 was to be the workhorse of the NZ fleet.



come visit the south pacific
User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 130, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11282 times:

With today of BA releasing start up dates for the A380's between LHR & LAX (start Oct 15) should NZ have anything to worry about? Now they have just got back in the black on there long haul routes.


NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11292 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 129):
Quoting koruman (Reply 121):
My understanding is that the entire 787-9 fleet is currently intended to serve routes between Auckland and China in a high-density configuration.

Where did you glean this understanding from and can you elaborate please? Are you talking Y and Y only for example? I thought it was likely there was going to be a split configuration given the diversity of markets and that the 789 was to be the workhorse of the NZ fleet.
Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 124):
If all goes to plan and the 787's arrive next year they will be doing the PVG and Japan routes Bali and might even send it to HKG now the route doesn't go onto LHR


From the Air NZ Investor Day Presentation 25 Nov 2011, page 76:
Quote:
'Deployment of 787-9', Expect to launch into North Asia/Japan, Configuration to match leisure nature of these markets, Seats, IFE, Food

The first three 787-9's are due in the 2014 part of FY 2015, but they can't be used for EDTO 240+ routes until at least two years after delivery. The NZ CAA EDTO rules are twelve months of EDTO 180, then another 12 months of EDTO 240 before qualifying for EDTO 240+. And that's conditional on the FAA approving EDTO 240 and EDTO 330 within those time frames. The FAA may decide to wait a few years.

PA515


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 132, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11240 times:

Qatar eyeing flights to NZ

Interesting! Wonder what this will mean.. Flights from Asia or a tag on from PER/MEL? Surely not a non-stop..



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4990 posts, RR: 5
Reply 133, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11159 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 132):
Flights from Asia or a tag on from PER/MEL? Surely not a non-stop..


They have 77L's so it is a possibility but I would think the route might be a little thin . They should get close to max volume limited payload westbound. 9 wide with 18.9" seats and 32-34" pitch should make Y fairly comfortable. Sector time would be about 17hr 30min

[Edited 2013-03-05 13:12:08]

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 134, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11129 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 133):

I get the feeling that EK would operate non-stop AKL-DXB if there was demand for it.. And I just don't expect there to be enough demand to warrant QR to send a non-stop 77L to AKL. It makes far more sense to route through MEL/PER. Going AKL-PER-DOH would give OW a route on AKL-PER too, soon.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4990 posts, RR: 5
Reply 135, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11029 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 134):
I get the feeling that EK would operate non-stop AKL-DXB if there was demand for it..

They too have 77L's and probably are close to having enough traffic . They could set a non stop fare attractive enough to entice CHC'ers to pick up the flight in AKL. Probably the passenger statistics would throw some light on the subject. As they add 573t A380's to their fleet with their ability to go close to 8000nm with a good payload , 77L's could be freed up.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 136, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10731 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 132):
Interesting! Wonder what this will mean.. Flights from Asia or a tag on from PER/MEL? Surely not a non-stop..

I reckon it would be a 332 via Asia somewhere.


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 137, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10403 times:

Now that TAM will leave star alliance in 2014 to move into ONEWORLD, is there still a need for NZ to be looking at opening up a route to south America? it seems 'STAR' is having a sinking feeling .!


NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4990 posts, RR: 5
Reply 138, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10394 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 137):
Now that TAM will leave star alliance in 2014 to move into ONEWORLD, is there still a need for NZ to be looking at opening up a route to south America? it seems 'STAR' is having a sinking feeling .!Happy New Year of the Dragon - from

NZ has a history of creating business arrangements with carriers irrespective of which alliance they belong. That TAM is leaving * is in my view somewhat irrelevant. If they terminate at EZE I am sure there are arrangements they can make for GRU/GIG-EZE feeds.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 139, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10263 times:
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When did NZ stop the 'Night rider' service between WLG and AKL? Just been looking for fares to AKL for next Saturday and noticed theres no more night rider

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 140, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10247 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 139):

Still there.. Probably sold out. Take a peek into May and you'll find the Night Rider still there.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10240 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 139):
When did NZ stop the 'Night rider' service between WLG and AKL? Just been looking for fares to AKL for next Saturday and noticed theres no more night rider

They were advertising the $29 nightrider on TV last night, but it could be the last flight of the day Mon - Fri only.

PA515


User currently offlinenzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 142, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10130 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 141):
They were advertising the $29 nightrider on TV last night, but it could be the last flight of the day Mon - Fri only.

No it is daily last flight of the day in both directions . If it does not show up when booking then its sold out !!



"Pride of the pacific"
User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 143, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9791 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 139):

When did NZ stop the 'Night rider' service between WLG and AKL?

As others have said it's very popular as is known to be sold out quite a while in advance


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 144, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9645 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 140):
Quoting PA515 (Reply 141):
Quoting nzrich (Reply 142):
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 143):

Thanks everyone. Havn't noticed it as an option in the flight search the past several times I've been looking at fares. Since its so popular, is NZ considering upgrading it to an A320?


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 145, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9582 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 144):
Since its so popular, is NZ considering upgrading it to an A320?

No, as it is a 733 positioning flight for the following day's ops.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 146, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9538 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 145):

But if it's one from AKL and also one from WLG or a return service of one plane, I don't see how it's a positioning flight?



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User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 147, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9494 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 118):
Would someone be able to provide an update for upcoming NZ aircraft deliveries and retirements for 2013? Thanks.

Regarding deliveries;
ATR72-600 ZK-MVC is due this month and could be c/n 1079 F-WWEP which flew unpainted on the 7th March with grey engine nacelles. A blue tail for this one?

A320's ZK-OXA and ZK-OXB are due in June and July. The website schedule has five 320's on domestic from 15 Jul and six 320's from 5 Aug.
Mon - Fri
0700 AKL-WLG
0710 AKL-ZQN
0730 AKL-WLG
0700 WLG-AKL
0540 CHC-AKL
0650 CHC-AKL.

A320 ZK-OXC is now due in November but not yet showing in the website schedule for Dec and Jan.

Seems a waste to have the sharklet aircraft on domestic routes when the enhancement is more productive on longer flights. Would like to see these replace the existing 320's on regional flights as originally intended, with maybe eight business class seats, especially for transtasman ex AKL. No conversion costs for new aircraft, and nothing major needs to be done to the OJ_ aircraft for domestic use.

PA515

[Edited 2013-03-09 09:52:16]

User currently onlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9446 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 144):
Since its so popular, is NZ considering upgrading it to an A320?

I did see it one day last week (think WLG/AKL) operated by A320 on FR24  


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 867 posts, RR: 1
Reply 149, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9456 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 147):
No conversion costs for new aircraft, and nothing major needs to be done to the OJ_ aircraft for domestic use.

Other than a total cabin rejig to remove the PTV's etc to keep non essential weight down on shorter flights.

The OX* series aircraft are coming as 71.5 Tonne options vs. the 77 Tonne option of the regional fleet (four current domestic A320's are also 71.5 Tonne machines). Paper work only to upgrade I know but still. The accountants would have looked at everything (e.g. upfront costs, return on investment from reconfigs etc.) so I have little doubt things are being done in the most cost effective manner. If they weren't, I genuinely think Luxon would change things. You can see he is a real dollars and cents man.


User currently offlineHLZCPH From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 150, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9401 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 147):
Seems a waste to have the sharklet aircraft on domestic routes when the enhancement is more productive on longer flights. Would like to see these replace the existing 320's on regional flights as originally intended, with maybe eight business class seats, especially for transtasman ex AKL. No conversion costs for new aircraft, and nothing major needs to be done to the OJ_ aircraft for domestic use.

Perhaps it would be a viable option to retofit sharklets onto the OJ series machines instead? I read somewhere it would be possible, with few mods, on the later build A320s.



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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Reply 151, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9425 times:
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Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 145):
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 146):

These are not positioning flights. No plans to upgrade to an A320 at present, unless there are no 733 aircraft due to technical issues etc.

NZ1


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 152, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9426 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 147):
ATR72-600 ZK-MVC is due this month and could be c/n 1079 F-WWEP which flew unpainted on the 7th March with grey engine nacelles. A blue tail for this one?

I was wondering the same thing. Would be interesting to see


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 153, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9381 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 152):
Quoting PA515 (Reply 147):ATR72-600 ZK-MVC is due this month and could be c/n 1079 F-WWEP which flew unpainted on the 7th March with grey engine nacelles. A blue tail for this one?I was wondering the same thing. Would be interesting to see

NZ1 did say in the previous thread that the black tail livery has been put on hold pending a review or something so has the review seen the blue tails return?

If the blue is making a return then I'm really happy as I still can't see how black is our national colour as NZ said when making the announcement.


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9366 times:

Also, I believe ATR72-600 ZK-MVD is due in September.

PA515


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 155, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9233 times:
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Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 138):
That TAM is leaving * is in my view somewhat irrelevant. If they terminate at EZE I am sure there are arrangements they can make for GRU/GIG-EZE feeds.

LATAM routes pax traveling between South America and Australasia via the SCL hub. Why would LATAM want to divert traffic away from the SCL hub and via EZE on a rival carrier? Also, should NZ launch AKL-EZE in the future, AV Brasil, which will replace TAM in Star will not be able to provide NZ connections via EZE and GRU/GIG since the bilateral between Argentina and Brasil is maxed out and Argentina will most likely keep it that way...


User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4990 posts, RR: 5
Reply 156, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9215 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 158):
Also, should NZ launch AKL-EZE in the future, AV Brasil, which will replace TAM in Star will not be able to provide NZ connections via EZE and GRU/GIG since the bilateral between Argentina and Brasil is maxed out and Argentina will most likely keep it that way...SCL-IPC-PPT on LAN

So what you are saying is that there is considerable work to be done to get feeds into place.


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Reply 157, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8722 times:
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A bit of a rundown on fleet deliveries coming up for those who are interested.

ATR72-600

ZK-MVC - Apr 2013
ZK-MVD - Sep 2013
ZK-MVE - Sep 2014
ZK-MVF - Dec 2014
ZK-MVG - Dec 2015

A320D (Sharklet)

ZK-OXA - Jun 2013
ZK-OXB - Jul 2013
ZK-OXC - Nov 2013
ZK-OXD - Feb 2014
ZK-OXE - Mar 2014
ZK-OXF - Jun 2014
ZK-OXG - Feb 2015
ZK-OXH - Mar 2015
ZK-OXI - Jun 2016
ZK-OXJ - Aug 2016

B777-300ER

ZK-OKR - Jul 2014
ZK-OKS - Sep 2014

B787-9

ZK-NZC - Sep 2014
ZK-NZD - Oct 2014
ZK-NZE - Jul 2014
ZK-NZF - Jun 2015
ZK-NZG - Aug 2015
ZK-NZH - Oct 2015
ZK-NZI - Jul 2016
ZK-NZJ - Sep 2016

Note that NZE is the first 787 to arrive, out of sequence, as NZC and NZD are being used by Boeing for testing prior to delivery. While NZE is the third aircraft off the line, it will be the first aircraft in service.

NZ1


User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7411 posts, RR: 5
Reply 158, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8656 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 157):
Note that NZE is the first 787 to arrive, out of sequence

Why no NZA or NZB?


User currently offlineSXI899 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 159, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8641 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 158):
Why no NZA or NZB?

NZA already belongs to a Piper PA-32, and I suspect that NZB won't be used due to the history of that reg within ANZ.

Yorden



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User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 160, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8572 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 157):
A bit of a rundown on fleet deliveries coming up for those who are interested.

Thanks, always interested. Any news on the five ATR72-600 options?

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 157):
Note that NZE is the first 787 to arrive, out of sequence, as NZC and NZD are being used by Boeing for testing prior to delivery. While NZE is the third aircraft off the line, it will be the first aircraft in service.

Any idea what Boeing would be testing after the first 789 is delivered?

PA515


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25277 posts, RR: 85
Reply 161, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8544 times:
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There's an extension of the Air NZ financial results here, directed to talk of the future:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/busine...h-potential-in-asia-pacific-region

"Air New Zealand says it sees huge growth potential in the Asia Pacific region but can't take full advantage of the opportunities until new planes arrive next year.

Mr Luxon said the airline hopes to get two new Boeing 777 planes and four Dreamliner aircraft next year.
While it hasn't been decided where the aircraft will be deployed, Mr Luxon said the Pacific and Asia offer great growth opportunities for Air New Zealand."


I have my fingers crossed. Obviously, I guess, the 2 x 777 will arrive, and I hope that the 4 x 787 do.

But - given the circumstances surrounding the 787 - I wonder if is there a a Plan B?

mariner



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User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3005 posts, RR: 27
Reply 162, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8508 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 160):
Any idea what Boeing would be testing after the first 789 is delivered?

It takes a couple of months to reconfigure them from test frames to "deliverable" aircraft.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 163, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8464 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 161):
But - given the circumstances surrounding the 787 - I wonder if is there a a Plan B?

You'd certainly hope so.. They've had years to think of a contingency. I wonder what the lease market is like and how readily available 772s/763s are, seeing that next year is (seemingly) the earliest they can get 77Ws.



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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 164, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8431 times:

Hi Everyone!
Just wanted to let my Kiwi friends know that Hawaiian Airlines Inaugural flight from HNL to AKL will arrive in AKL this Thursday, March 14th. HA flight #445 is scheduled to arrive at 1855. This may be the only opportunity to see or photograph our HA aircraft before sundown as the normal arrival from HNL is scheduled at 2155 and departure back to HNL is 2355.
Everyone here at HA is very excited about this route, and I have been told that bookings have been very good.
If any of you should be working at AKL on Thursday, come on by our departure gate, it should be a typical Hawaiian festive atmosphere! And to the photographers out there, please get some good shots of the HA A330 and post them here!

Aloha,
HALFA

[Edited 2013-03-11 15:43:11]


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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 165, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8360 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 164):
And to the photographers out there, please get some good shots of the HA A330 and post them here!

I'll try my best. Hopefully it'll be on time and not early/too late!



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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Reply 166, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8265 times:
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Quoting HALFA (Reply 164):

Will be good to have 2 HA aircraft in AKL at the same time. An A330 at the Terminal and 767-300 N582HA at the Maintenace Base undergoing a C Check.

NZ1


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25277 posts, RR: 85
Reply 167, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8158 times:
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Brazil, anyone?:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA130...agreement-with-brazil-welcomed.htm

"Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee today welcomed the Prime Minister’s announcement in Brazil of a new open skies air services agreement between
New Zealand and Brazil.

“Brazil is touted to become one of the world’s most powerful emerging economies,” Mr Brownlee says.

“It will also host the next FIFA World Cup and Olympic Games.

“Travel between New Zealand and Brazil is increasing, with around 10,000 Brazilians visiting New Zealand each year and over 3000 coming here to study."


I don't suppose it means anything in practical terms for Air NZ at the moment and I don't know enough the Brazilian carriers.

Anyhoo, it's good to see more open skies agreements.

mariner

[Edited 2013-03-11 23:15:01]


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 168, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8161 times:
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Quoting NZ1 (Reply 157):

Thanks the excellent summary Mike!

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 157):
A320D (Sharklet)

ZK-OXA - Jun 2013
ZK-OXB - Jul 2013
ZK-OXC - Nov 2013
ZK-OXD - Feb 2014
ZK-OXE - Mar 2014
ZK-OXF - Jun 2014
ZK-OXG - Feb 2015
ZK-OXH - Mar 2015
ZK-OXI - Jun 2016
ZK-OXJ - Aug 2016

Any ideas yet on -OXAs first operational route/first route to/from WLG?

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 166):
Will be good to have 2 HA aircraft in AKL at the same time. An A330 at the Terminal and 767-300 N582HA at the Maintenace Base undergoing a C Check.

Would be even better if NZ could park the HA B763 beside the A330 at the gate?