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Chances That Southwest Will Be Acquired?  
User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4786 posts, RR: 19
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10851 times:

As crazy a thought as it sounds I think it's a possibility that one of the Legacies could one day attempt to merge / acquire SW.


I know the business models are totally different and all the other reasons but I still think it's possible.


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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10840 times:

Yes AS, VX, F9, NK, SY and G4 are going to join forces together.      Wow!  


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently onlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1528 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10802 times:

Not gonna happen... lets move on.


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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7723 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10764 times:

Well, the secondary airport markets that made WN what it is today are gettingfewer and fewer, so if the debacle that a potential AA/US merger could create does happen and more expansion is required, I could see WN purchase AA and finally move into DFW  

User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10716 times:

Could WN be acquired at some point? Yes. By an airline? Probably not. Southwest's current market cap is $8.56 Billion, which is slightly lower than United Continental Holdings ($8.81 Billion) and significantly lower than Delta's ($12.43 Billion). To acquire WN would require a pretty hefty amount of money and the only people with that kind of cash are private equity firms.

User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 492 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10661 times:

I've always thought that a merger of equals could work with WN and a legacy where the legacy would do only international flying and Southwest would do the domestic flying. Keep the separate names but use both to feed eachother. No idea if it would really work but I always thought that it might be feasible.


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10598 times:

I heard from my contacts that it would be Air Tahiti Nui!   


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User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10521 times:

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 5):
I've always thought that a merger of equals could work with WN and a legacy where the legacy would do only international flying and Southwest would do the domestic flying. Keep the separate names but use both to feed eachother. No idea if it would really work but I always thought that it might be feasible

While this would be an interesting idea based on the model now being adopted by LH, AF, BA, and other European legacies, there are probably still too many domestic markets that warrant full-service airlines with first class, and otherwise regional carriers basically serve the cheaper regional airline role that WN would serve in such a merger.


User currently offlineplanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3541 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10319 times:

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 5):
I've always thought that a merger of equals could work with WN and a legacy where the legacy would do only international flying and Southwest would do the domestic flying. Keep the separate names but use both to feed eachother. No idea if it would really work but I always thought that it might be feasible.

Emirates will one day buy WN.

Totally not joking at all ...



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User currently onlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10103 times:

Quoting planespotting (Reply 8):
Totally not joking at all ...

So it could become FlyDallas.  

I think the chances of SA)">WN being bought buy anyone is the same chance of Gazpromavia taking over SA)">UA, SA)">DL, SA)">AA, BA, SA)">NK, SA, QF, and EK; then renaming the airline TWA, and flying Cessna 172s to the moon.



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User currently onlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9911 times:

Arent they finishing up right now acquiring a carrier that was once known as Valujet ?   

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 1):
Yes AS, VX, F9, NK, SY and G4 are going to join forces together. Wow!

I can see it now-
WN merging with NK and shutting down the PHX focus city in favor of DFW            



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User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9819 times:

There's no way any legacy would ever get approval to acquire WN. Assuming AA/US happens, that will be last big US market merger for a longtime. Combining WN into any of the remaining 3 legacies would give that entity such a dominance that it would be very anti-competitive.

User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9743 times:

Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):
As crazy a thought as it sounds I think it's a possibility that one of the Legacies could one day attempt to merge / acquire SW.

No

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 5):
I've always thought that a merger of equals could work with WN and a legacy where the legacy would do only international flying and Southwest would do the domestic flying. Keep the separate names but use both to feed eachother. No idea if it would really work but I always thought that it might be feasible.

SCOPE and pilots unions wont go for that. Those flying the domestic airline wont stand by and lose the opportunity to
bid the international routes and lose seniroity

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
WN merging with NK and shutting down the PHX focus city in favor of DFW

WN wont merge with anyone. Its called a BUYOUT if WN does it.


User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5312 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9596 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
To acquire WN would require a pretty hefty amount of money and the only people with that kind of cash are private equity firms.

Hedge funds and private equity firms tend to buy companies that are performing poorly, fix them, and resell them. WN has done well for years, so it's not the typical target.

Now, Warren Buffet, through Berkshire Hathaway, buys well-run companies for growth opportunies. But, Buffet has an aversion to airlines. He lost money investing in US Air. Plus, he has Net Jets. He would rather people stop flying commercial and buy a fractional ownership interest in a biz jet.


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4616 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9589 times:

WN and AS make the only sense for any other large scale merger among the majors now. Though not saying it is really all that feasible, but that's really the only one that comes to mind that could work.

DOJ will kill anything else. Largest domestic US airline is not an easy pill to swallow...many seem to forget how large they are compared to everyone else in this market.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4786 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9426 times:

Ok, so what about Southwest acquiring one of the big three legacies ?


Not as outrageous as it sounds.



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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3516 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9239 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
Could WN be acquired at some point? Yes. By an airline? Probably not. Southwest's current market cap is $8.56 Billion, which is slightly lower than United Continental Holdings ($8.81 Billion) and significantly lower than Delta's ($12.43 Billion). To acquire WN would require a pretty hefty amount of money and the only people with that kind of cash are private equity firms.

Market cap is almost irrelevant here, as if any of these was to buy WN, the cash cost would be that to the investment bankers and lawyers, as the purchase itself would most likely be funded be issuing new shares. Just like when UA bought CO and DL bought NW.....yes I know that called in a merger between equals for those that believe in their spin doctors  

Although that said, I agree with you conclusion: WN will not be bought by any of the legacies (in today's status)


User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9064 times:

Ok, so what about Southwest acquiring one of the big three legacies ?

Why? What would they gain for there money.



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User currently offlinewnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9004 times:

Don't see that ever happening,But like AirTran how about WN buying AlaskaAir.
Ya it's a long shot but Killing AlaskaAir off would add great value to the WN network.
wnfg 



my post are my opinion only and not those of southwest airlines and or airtran airlines.
User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3197 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8356 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 15):
Ok, so what about Southwest acquiring one of the big three legacies ?

WN will take advantage of the mistakes that are left behind by the 3 bigs and will not have to buy anything except more aircraft. Just let the 3 bigs collapse out of markets.
Look at the number of flights at STL now 90+ and AA/TW/US just a few flights between them all. Just a nice orderly transition for WN.


Okie


User currently offlineRmTrice From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7155 times:

In the current environment, I don't see an aquision of WN by a legacy (or vice versa) making any sense at all. I think the only way WN would get aquired is if there was a drastic change in leadership where the goal would be to turn WN into an aquisiton target over a gradual period of time (sort of like Northwest). With over 700 planes, some 4,000+ daily flights nation-wide, all run on a network that isn't exactly the same as a traditional hub-and-spoke, it'd be a pretty big project getting WN to "fit" with anyone else.

An interesting scenario that could work would be one I daydreamed about not too long ago. WN and a legacy (like Delta) combining the best of what they do into one mega carrier. WN would own the domestic market and DL would be primairly international. Perhaps the brands would be seperate but the company would be the same. What WN calls ICOs (intentional connection opportunities) can be used to feed Delta internatoinal flights without necessairly sacrificing the point-to-point element of their network. DL can keep their regional jet operations running wherever the WN network doesn't overlap with it. WN would transfer whatever international flights they have over to DL metal. There would be a seamless travel experience under one company, but different brands.

idk, it sounds crazy but I'm certianly not the first one to think of something like that. In 10 to 20 years or so, this type of agreement could be what generates the next round of industry consolidation. Who knows?


User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6970 times:

Other than a private equity bid if the market underprices WN's cash flow - like the Dell bid. Otherwise, no way. Why buy/merge with a legacy and the complications and the contracts etc.? Wouldn't it be cheaper to find figure out where WN's frequent fliers most often go internationally and start a few flights with a shiny new 787 if they want to go that route? Another airline buying them??? Maybe if the barrier to foriegn ownership is lifted and some overseas carrier decides they want a large US presence. How could a combination of AA, UA, or DL with WN ever get through the DOJ? It couldn't.

User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5366 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6599 times:

It would be Frontier/PeoplExpress merger all over again.

Southwest's employee group would, I believe, only function well in a certain kind of work environment. They are personality-tested to make them fit well into this environment. Put them in a more-typical airline environment, I think you would lose a lot of operational efficiency.


User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5325 times:

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 5):
I've always thought that a merger of equals could work with WN and a legacy where the legacy would do only international flying and Southwest would do the domestic flying. Keep the separate names but use both to feed eachother. No idea if it would really work but I always thought that it might be feasible.

We are heading that direction with the Mainline carriers outsourcing flying to Regional operators. Eventually Mainline will be left with predominantly international and Regionals will own the domestic market.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 12):
SCOPE and pilots unions wont go for that. Those flying the domestic airline wont stand by and lose the opportunity to
bid the international routes and lose seniroity

But it is already happening. Scope seems to slip a little more each contract cycle.



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4616 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5126 times:

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 23):
Southwest's employee group would, I believe, only function well in a certain kind of work environment. They are personality-tested to make them fit well into this environment. Put them in a more-typical airline environment, I think you would lose a lot of operational efficiency.

Bingo. The hiring screening is some what different than other companies I've been with when it comes to what they look for. Experience is always there, but attitude and people skills are weighed far more heavily than I've seen anywhere else. Many of my co-workers definitely wouldn't function well in other companies, in a similar capacity/job role, due to the environment and culture of those other companies.


25 Post contains images raddek : Agreed For WN to acquire AS? It probably wouldn't ever happen. AS has plenty of cash in the bank and equity. It would be a very costly purchase for a
26 LimaNiner : At a market cap of only $8.5bn, the State of California should buy WN instead of spending $70bn+ on High Speed Rail ("HSR") to connect San Francisco t
27 The777Man : When UA was in chapter 11, there was apparently discussions going on for several weeks of WN taking over UA. Obviously didn't work out/happen. The777
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