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Last A318 On Order Delivered  
User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1038 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 24867 times:

Japan's Universal Entertainment has taken delivery of the 79th and last A318. Apparently there were two order cancellations recently that enabled them to take one of the aircraft.

www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=nav2&picid=8222


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User currently offlinespeedbird9 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 24483 times:

ever? or was that just the last order to be fulfilled?


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 24358 times:
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why is Airbus killing the A318, couldn't it be offered since the A319, A320 and A321 are still made ?

User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 24333 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
why is Airbus killing the A318, couldn't it be offered since the A319, A320 and A321 are still made ?

It was never a good seller and most airlines would prefer 319 over the 318. So I guess it was not really worth it.

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User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2085 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 24232 times:

Airbus is still offering the A318 and the A318ACJ – so I don't think that this was the last one.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11182 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 24120 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
why is Airbus killing the A318, couldn't it be offered since the A319, A320 and A321 are still made ?

For the same reason Boeing killed the 737-600: nobody really wants those planes anymore.



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User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 23810 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 4):
Airbus is still offering the A318 and the A318ACJ – so I don't think that this was the last one.

Why carry on offering them? If an airline should choose to order one or two at a minimal discount off list price, Airbus would make a nice profit. I don't know but I guess that ordering one business jet does not get you much of a discount off the list price either.


User currently offlineTheSultanOfWing From El Salvador, joined Dec 2012, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 23659 times:

Quoting hotplane (Thread starter):
has taken delivery of the 79th and last A318.

Now if my employer would raise my wages with a mere 1000%, and retrospectively pay this for my last 15 years of service......this beauty would have been mine!

Nice lil' aircraft....almost like a "real" plane!

FH



I feel like the A318 at times: I am probably worth more parted out than as a whole.
User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 23549 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 4):
Airbus is still offering the A318 and the A318ACJ – so I don't think that this was the last one.

Its the last one on order, and only possibly the very last one to be built. As the A318 now only attracts corporate clients and almost certainly no airline anymore there might be the odd one now and then being ordered in the future.


User currently offlinerbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 23316 times:

Anyone know how many of the 79 delivered are still in service?

Never mind - The Airbus website shows 70 still in operation.

[Edited 2013-02-12 08:16:11]

User currently offlineNWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1081 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 23276 times:
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Frontier Airlines had bought eleven A318s. Nine of these aircraft have been scrapped, even though they are relatively new aircraft. Frontier is still flying two A318s. I think they will also be scrapped.
That shows what most airlines think of the A318. Their parts are worth more than the complete aircraft.   


User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4007 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 23275 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
why is Airbus killing the A318,

It was born on life support and suffered a natural and expected death. It actually showed extreme resilience.


User currently offlineACdreamliner From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 23152 times:

Sad day... looks like I'm going to have to go to the used market when my Euromillions Jackpot comes up... It was a close thing between the 736 or A318...

Love the hot rods...



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User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1368 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 23069 times:

There will be no A318 NEO, so its life as a catalog option will be limited to a few more years.

User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 23041 times:

Reminds me of the DC9-21. Only 10 ever ordered by SAS. Have to wonder what the field performance was like with the -30 wing and engines and the fuse of the -10. Would change the power-to-weight ratio quite a lot.

If it could have been offered as a combi, could it have done OK in the Canadian Arctic and Alaska ? I am fairly certain it could operate off a gravel runway. Probably would need some slight mods, like a nose gear gravel deflector, but the 737 was OK with it. I think the 727 as well.



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User currently onlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2356 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 23012 times:
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cargo in the cargo-hold was the main issue here. The advantage in performance over the A319 was a weak argument against the massive loss in cargo revenue compared to the A319


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User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 863 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 21512 times:

The A318 was only launched in 1997 after the demise of the Fokker 100 and BAe RJ100 - true 100-seat short-haul aircraft. Airbus knew its Babybus, designed to fill a gap in the 100-seat market, could never compete with these dedicated 100-seaters when they were alive. So it got launched after their departure.

The A318 is a shrink of a shrink, i.e. a baby A319, while the A319 is already a baby A320. So it carries all the design weight of the larger aircraft and is very heavy & uneconomic as a result and in addition has no cargo capacity. Shrinking an aircraft seldom makes economic sense, that's why we stretch to our hearts delight. This explains its unpopularity of the A318 with most airlines, a classic example of 'over-shrink'.

Airbus decided to built the A318 thinking commonality advantages of a family A321/A320/A319/A318 would overcome the disadvantageous operating economics. Clearly this proved not the case, the aircraft proved an economic disaster.


User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4794 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20478 times:

Quoting hotplane (Thread starter):
the 79th and last A318

   No!!!...am just several million $$$ short saving for the downpayment...   

.....have to rush before somebody else gets the last one    ...

http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.as...a0273f-b2c6-430f-89d8-b367e4c31e36

That one above has the same delivery reg as an early frame off the line and G-EUNA.....

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Great looking little bugger    .....

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Guess we'll just have to settle for this...    .

http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft/detailed.aspx?aId=31998

http://acimg.avbuyer.com/images/aircraftImages/31998.206.1.jpg   



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6585 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20101 times:

The A318 has several differences with the others so it might not make sense to keep it on the catalog. The tail is taller, the belly is laser welded...


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25106 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20044 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 14):
If it could have been offered as a combi, could it have done OK in the Canadian Arctic and Alaska ? I am fairly certain it could operate off a gravel runway.

There may have been some DC-9 test flights to gravel runways but as far as I know, no DC-9s were ever certified for that type of operation. The much narrower fuselage also never made the DC-9 very popular as a freighter/combi although they were offered and some were built in that configuration. The 737 combi could handle the same main deck containers as a 707 or DC-8 which was a big advantage over the DC-9.

Not certain but I think the rear engines on the DC-9 may also be more prone to ingestion of stones and other debris when operating from unpaved runways. Some 727s of course operated from gravel runways but the DC-9 sits at least a foot closer to the ground than the 727 with less clearance below the engines also.


User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19941 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...13-hopes-on-market-rebound-382222/

"Although there has been no decision on the future of the ACJ318 following its exclusion from Airbus's re-engining plans for commercial A320-family jets, Chazelle says production will continue at least until 2018-2019 despite the overall transition to assembly of the Neo range from 2015. "There's no real obstacle to build the two in parallel," he says."

It will be around for a little while yet.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 17510 times:

Quoting factsonly (Reply 16):
the aircraft proved an economic disaster.

Facts only, please.   Do you know this for sure? Maybe they made some clever accounting...

Quoting hotplane (Thread starter):
Universal Entertainment

One of the very few business jets where they show the name of the company.

The letters look like the ones of a saloon in a cheap western movie...


User currently onlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1244 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15670 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 18):
the belly is laser welded...

Why is this? I would have thought, apart from the tail, assembly would have been largely the same.



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User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1038 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14540 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 21):
The letters look like the ones of a saloon in a cheap western movie...

Japan's so Americanized.



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User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14428 times:

How sure are you about that the last A 318 is delivered. Do you include the A 318 CJ?

According to planetspotter.net there is on A 318 CJ MSN 5478 still on order undelivered.

First flight on the 2/11/2013.


User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4794 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14598 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 21):
One of the very few business jets where they show the name of the company.

Another ACJ318 Elite which does.....

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.....even added Chinese titles and the logo of its operator   .


Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 24):
According to planetspotter.net there is on A 318 CJ MSN 5478 still on order undelivered.

The c/n over the delivery registration on the OP's photo looks very much like that (unless it's a 9).



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13728 times:

Quoting factsonly (Reply 16):
Airbus decided to built the A318 thinking commonality advantages of a family A321/A320/A319/A318 would overcome the disadvantageous operating economics. Clearly this proved not the case, the aircraft proved an economic disaster.

This is true on first glance. On second the A318 got one very significant order: British Airways. While converted to the larger model later, it opened the door for a new Airbus customer who now is awaiting its first A380s - this alone alone makes the disaster a multi billion $ success.


User currently offlineSEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13812 times:

I think that we will see a more A318 orders for business jets. I can't forsee any more airline orders though.

User currently offlineCure From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13467 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 21):
Facts only, please.   Do you know this for sure? Maybe they made some clever accounting...

Yeah indeed, facts only please, and not just plain defenses for nationalism...why are some people (often Germans) defending some positions just out of nationalism, and they don't get banned or warned?
Do they think they posess THE TRUTH or what? Are you guys attorneys or lawyers? Get over it, please: the A318 was something that could be avoided to be built and that's it. Proof is the fact they decided to stop the production...wouldn,t you agree...?

Just relax and prove some demonstration that the A318 is still worth to be sold, and we'll all be listening, but please stop these overreactions and the site will be better. Thank you and excuse me.

[Edited 2013-02-12 16:28:04]

User currently offlineCure From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13392 times:

Quoting LH526 (Reply 15):
cargo in the cargo-hold was the main issue here. The advantage in performance over the A319 was a weak argument against the massive loss in cargo revenue compared to the A319

I guess this is the pure and simple explanation of the decision to stop the production of the A318

Regards


User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12622 times:

Quoting Cure (Reply 28):

When we talk of facts here. Were is the information that the production of the B 318 has been stopped?

At least the A 318 CJ is still offered even with sharklets: http://www.airbus.com/aircraftfamilies/corporate/acj-family/acj318/

and I have seen no announcement that Airbus will not build you a normal A 318 if you order one.


User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2952 posts, RR: 3
Reply 31, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11133 times:

This is probably the first large aircraft bizjet (non-airline aircraft) registered in Japan.
I don't think there's even a large Gulfstream or Bombardier bizjet registered in Japan. (Apart from the ones JCAB & JCG governmental organization operate)
I wonder where it will be based out out HND, NRT or KIX?


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12981 posts, RR: 100
Reply 32, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10672 times:
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I'll join the chorus wishing I could afford one.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 18):
The A318 has several differences with the others so it might not make sense to keep it on the catalog. The tail is taller, the belly is laser welded...

I agree that the differences probably mean it isn't worth offering the type.

Quoting SEA (Reply 27):
I think that we will see a more A318 orders for business jets. I can't forsee any more airline orders though.

The issue is the latest from the business jet makers have much more range pushing Airbus to compete in larger business jet categories.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 30):
and I have seen no announcement that Airbus will not build you a normal A 318 if you order one.

Today Airbus would and it wouldn't save them any money shutting down the type immediately. But restarting production after 2+ years will have higher costs due to the lost 'tribal knowledge' that is always part of aircraft construction (which six -sigma tries to eliminate, but that is a goal vs. reality).

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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6585 posts, RR: 9
Reply 33, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10178 times:

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 22):
Why is this? I would have thought, apart from the tail, assembly would have been largely the same.

I think they wanted to prove that technology for the A380, it is advantageous, and they needed a new certificate anyway for the A318.



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User currently offlinePugman211 From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8773 times:
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They are still making the A318ACJ, another one has just come down the line in the UK (MSN5545). It is also the second A318 sharklet i've seen now.

User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7530 times:

The thread title is misleading. This is not the last A318 to be ever delivered. This is the last A318 on the 79-aircraft order book, which means the backlog is now zero. But Airbus still offers the A318, and plans to continue offering it with sharklets (but not NEO). If Airbus is willing to spend the money to certify sharklets on the A318 (which shouldn't be too complicated, but still does not come for free), they must see some future in it, even if a very limited one. I still expect a few more orders for the model during its lifetime, though only for ACJ's or very-niche applications like BA.

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5706 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 5):
For the same reason Boeing killed the 737-600: nobody really wants those planes anymore.

The -600 has not been killed and is still available from Boeing.



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User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 37, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5292 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 36):
The -600 has not been killed and is still available from Boeing.

Jusst like the A318 has not been killed either. However, there are no outstanding orders for either of them...



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5292 times:

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 24):
How sure are you about that the last A 318 is delivered. Do you include the A 318 CJ?

According to planetspotter.net there is on A 318 CJ MSN 5478 still on order undelivered.

First flight on the 2/11/2013.

You might want to take a close look at the link from the OP. Specifically look at the numbers above the registration  
Quoting Pugman211 (Reply 34):
They are still making the A318ACJ, another one has just come down the line in the UK (MSN5545). It is also the second A318 sharklet i've seen now.

Well if they are currently producing A318 wings, and this is the second one with sharklets you've seen, their customers are sure being quiet about it considering that there are no more A318s on order, and no sharklet A318 has been seen in public yet.

[Edited 2013-02-13 06:29:10]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11182 posts, RR: 33
Reply 39, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5226 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 36):
The -600 has not been killed and is still available from Boeing.

As of 2012, Boeing has removed the 737-600 from their list of aircraft prices, presumably indicating the variant is now out of production.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/prices/index.html



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User currently offlineunityofsaints From Ireland, joined Nov 2011, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5198 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 35):
I still expect a few more orders for the model during its lifetime, though only for ACJ's or very-niche applications like BA.

I'm with you on this one. If BA expands its LCY A318 service I think they will order new-built planes. I expect airport to continue to offer the A318 until the A320 family OEO programme concludes, whenever that may be.


User currently offlinePugman211 From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5125 times:
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The first A318 ACJ sharklet went to the FAL with standard wingtip fences, cant remember the MSN but it was listed as Private Customer which is usually Comlux.

The second hasn't left for the FAL yet, but i will keep a close eye on it, this one is listed as Airbus as the customer.


User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4794 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4982 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 35):
If Airbus is willing to spend the money to certify sharklets on the A318 (which shouldn't be too complicated, but still does not come for free), they must see some future in it, even if a very limited one. I still expect a few more orders for the model during its lifetime, though only for ACJ's or very-niche applications like BA.

It seems Airbus Corporate Jets want to join the discussion here   ...

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...13-hopes-on-market-rebound-382222/

Quote:
"Further down its range, Chazelle remains confident its 'entry-level' ACJ318 will continue to attract interest, particularly with the Enhanced package, including the addition of the sharklet wing-tip modification, which it launched at the NBAA show in 2012.

Although there has been no decision on the future of the ACJ318 following its exclusion from Airbus's re-engining plans for commercial A320-family jets, Chazelle says production will continue at least until 2018-2019 despite the overall transition to assembly of the Neo range from 2015. 'There's no real obstacle to build the two in parallel,' he says."



Spot on cue    !



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User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 43, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4935 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 38):

That bird on that picture is not delivered jet, MSN 5478 is still in Hamburg.
That picture posted by hotplane could be from the first flight.
On that picture it is still on Airbus registration.


User currently offlinePugman211 From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4874 times:
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My apologies, I misunderstood your title as to say no more A318 are on order. I didnt realise you were only referring to the passenger variant.

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 39):
As of 2012, Boeing has removed the 737-600 from their list of aircraft prices, presumably indicating the variant is now out of production.

Didn't notice that. It still shows under the commercial planes section and the column for last delivery shows blank, meaning there might be future deliveries. Anyway, I agree they might not ever sell another. I do remember when the prices were up, that the -600 was quite a bit cheaper than the -700 and thought that might help it snag an order or two. The 318ACJ I would bet will have more built.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11182 posts, RR: 33
Reply 46, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4613 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 45):
Didn't notice that. It still shows under the commercial planes section and the column for last delivery shows blank, meaning there might be future deliveries.

Those pages are not always up-to-date, it's better to check the price list. Another example: Airbus still shows the A340 on their website but they don't build it anymore.

[Edited 2013-02-13 10:35:00]


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User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 47, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4617 times:

AIRBUS AIRCRAFT

2013 AVERAGE LIST PRICES (mio USD)
A318 70.1
A319 83.6
A320 91.5
A321 107.3
A319neo 92.0
A320neo 100.2
A321neo 117.4
A330-200 216.1
A330-200F 219.1
A330-300 239.4
A350-800 254.3
A350-900 287.7
A350-1000 332.1
A380-800 403.9

A318 is still on the price list


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 48, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4420 times:

Quoting Cure (Reply 28):
why are some people (often Germans) defending some positions just out of nationalism, and they don't get banned or warned?

Woaw, in my Iife I have never ever been accused of being a nationalist. So thank you for this new experience!

Quoting Cure (Reply 28):
and they don't get banned or warned?

If you can read this I haven’t been banned. In addition, I just checked my inbox but didn’t find any warning.

Quoting Cure (Reply 28):
Do they think they posess THE TRUTH or what?

This was actually my point. How can we come to the conclusion that the A 318 was an "ecomomic disaster" if we don't know the financial background? For which price does Airbus sell the A 318. Surely not the listed price but most probably they don't give as much discounts as they do for large A 319 operators. Secondly, spare parts: who knows what Airbus is earning from spare parts.

Quoting Cure (Reply 28):
the A318 was something that could be avoided to be built and that's it. Proof is the fact they decided to stop the production.

Message understood. The problem is, they didn't stop the production.

Quoting Cure (Reply 28):
prove some demonstration that the A318 is still worth to be sold

With pleasure:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 42):
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...13-hopes-on-market-rebound-382222/

Quote:
"Further down its range, Chazelle remains confident its 'entry-level' ACJ318 will continue to attract interest, particularly with the Enhanced package, including the addition of the sharklet wing-tip modification, which it launched at the NBAA show in 2012.

Although there has been no decision on the future of the ACJ318 following its exclusion from Airbus's re-engining plans for commercial A320-family jets, Chazelle says production will continue at least until 2018-2019 despite the overall transition to assembly of the Neo range from 2015. 'There's no real obstacle to build the two in parallel,' he says."

Now back to sorting my collection of German march music records. Where the heck did I put my spiked helmet?....


User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3909 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 38):
Quoting Pugman211 (Reply 34):
They are still making the A318ACJ, another one has just come down the line in the UK (MSN5545). It is also the second A318 sharklet i've seen now.

Well if they are currently producing A318 wings, and this is the second one with sharklets you've seen, their customers are sure being quiet about it considering that there are no more A318s on order, and no sharklet A318 has been seen in public yet.
Quoting Pugman211 (Reply 41):
this one is listed as Airbus as the customer.

Looks like this could be the first A318 sharklet prototype aircraft. We have seen A319/20/21 sharklet flight tests at Airbus so far, but no A318 yet. So this might be it.


User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 639 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 26):
Quoting factsonly (Reply 16):
Airbus decided to built the A318 thinking commonality advantages of a family A321/A320/A319/A318 would overcome the disadvantageous operating economics. Clearly this proved not the case, the aircraft proved an economic disaster.

This is true on first glance. On second the A318 got one very significant order: British Airways. While converted to the larger model later, it opened the door for a new Airbus customer who now is awaiting its first A380s - this alone alone makes the disaster a multi billion $ success.

Some facts please. Airbus planned the A319 as the smallest member of the A320 family. They planned a joint venture with the Chinese for the 100 seater market. That failed. They launched the 318 instead. It was ordered in some numbers by BA, TWA, IB, US/AW, LAN etc. Some fell by the wayside (TWA). Others converted to A319s, mostly (except for LAN) after PW's engine specific to the A318 failed to deliver on time (2 years late or thereabouts). As we talk, LAN is taking A320 family replacements for its 318s. Airbus has carved out a smallish niche for corporate A318s, plus 2 specific to LCY for BA. Is Airbus unhappy with the overall outcome - I don't think so!


User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 51, posted (1 year 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 2983 times:

The next A 318 in the works has MSN 5545. The Airbus test flight registration is D-AUAA.

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User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 52, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2531 times:

A 318 MSN 5478 delivered from Airbus for cabin configuration in TUL today.

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4


User currently onlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1325 posts, RR: 3
Reply 53, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2445 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 14):
Reminds me of the DC9-21. Only 10 ever ordered by SAS. Have to wonder what the field performance was like with the -30 wing and engines and the fuse of the -10. Would change the power-to-weight ratio quite a lot.

They were pocket rockets; you'd have to strap yourself to a Lear 24 to get something better. Much loved by the guys who flew them. One of my instructors was a SK DC9 skipper, and he successfully managed avoiding transitioning to the A300, B767, B737 and MD80 in order to have a chance to fly the -21 once in a while. Does help, I suppose, that SAS doesn't pay their pilots by MTOW but seniority only.



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