migair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 2446 posts, RR: 1 Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10761 times:
According to this Article (only in spanish) an Airbus Military factory in Cadiz will manufacture the "faw Cowl" of the engine for the new B737MAX.
500 million dolar deal and they will be the suppliers until 2025, they also state that this factory is specialist in carbon fiber parts but in this case it will be a metallic part. It´s very good news for the plant in Cadiz because they will have 320 workers until 2025 at least.
I have never heard this before, Airbus manufacturing parts for a boeing commercial plane, I´m not sure if it´s the first time but it really catches my attention big time.
LHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10557 times:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my reading was that an Airbus supply chain member is going to supply Boeing parts, not Airbus per se. If true I'm not surprised at all. Many aerospace companies do business with both, or extensive business across the pond in any event.
airmagnac From Germany, joined Apr 2012, 336 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10213 times:
The 787 aft pressure bulkhead is manufactured by EADS-owned Premium Aerotec in Augsburg as a second-tier supplier (so also not directly sourced by Boeing).
These days, the supply chains for aerospace products are huge and involve multiple layers of suppliers buying from other suppliers themselves buying from other suppliers...while at the same time, the level of knowledge & skill required is very high, so the number of available suppliers is relatively low. In the end, you are bound to have some part of an aerospace group working for a "competitor".
All aerospace companies exist to make money by selling aerospace parts, by definition. As long as the supplier gets his money and the buyer gets good quality parts at a reasonable price, everyone should be happy, regardless of the name on the header of the in-voice. As for intellectual property, obviously the supplier will want to be careful, but on the other hand if (in this case) Boeing is buying the part instead of making it in-house, it's because Boeing is not really interested in acquiring and/or maintaining the competence and tools to do so. So it makes little sense for them to spend ressources to retro-engineer the parts.
Note that this cross-sourcing only happens indirectly and a different "levels of detail", through. These are subsidiaries of a group which owns one OEM that are supplying parts to the other OEM. I doubt that any OEM would directly supply a competitor, because for one thing the supplier would surely use his oversight rights to go have a direct peek at what the other guy is doing more generally. And more importantly, if Boeing found itself with no choice but to buy a product from Airbus (or vice-versa) because Airbus is the only supplier on the market, then Boeing management would have to explain why they left the monopoly to the competition instead of entering that market !
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neutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10188 times:
"Rivals" do work for each other. It had and is happening across industries. Its the norm.
An area which I am very familiar with is photo. Back in the day when traditional chemistry - as opposed to the currently more prevalent inkjet - technology was at its height, I know for a fact that major media manufacturers such as Kodak, Fuji and Ilford who are fierce rivals in the marketplace, cross-manufacture each other's product when the need arise. A company experiencing a spike in orders which their own factories could not handle would make use of spare capacity of its competitor.
Also, as in the thread subject, rather that building a certain item themselves, a manufacturer would subcontract it to a rival if its more cost effective. Eg.; Canon do make some equipment for its major competitors as well.
pascal7z From Germany, joined Oct 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7763 times:
And let us not forget the venerable Super Guppy, basically a transformed Boeing 377, that transported the A300, A310 and maybe some of the A330 and A340 sections from the various factories to Toulouse.
dynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 921 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7388 times:
Quoting scbriml (Reply 4): Boeing builds the wing-tip fences for the A380.
We used to, but not any more. Boeing Aerostructures Australia (formerly Hawker de Havilland) continued as a merchant supplier to Airbus and others for over a decade after becoming part of Boeing.
It wasn't just the A380 wingtips and fences either - there were wing tips and winglets for A330/A340, gear doors for the A320 and A330, and the structure over the A330 main gear bay. I'm sure there were others too.
Going forward we're going to be supplying to Boeing only, so it won't be long before we're no longer doing any third party work.