Av8tor From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 130 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4480 times:
Quoting dabpit (Reply 3): This mega merger is only going to hurt the consumer....
Give me a break! This industry has lost billions of dollars over the past decade. Should they continue to lose money for the benefit of the consumer or should they be allowed to make strategic moves to help themselves become profitable? If the consumer doesn't like it, they should drive or take a train.
SPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2097 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4434 times:
Quoting dabpit (Reply 3): This mega merger is only going to hurt the consumer....
Tell that to junior employees looking for work this time next year.
Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 5): Like I've been saying all along -- this merger is never going to happen.
Seems the money says otherwise. The Horton speedbump has been dealt with. The voting formalities will be over by 6pm PHX time. We shoild have solid leaks by 6:15.
I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
JFKPurser From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 471 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4394 times:
Quoting jetboytwa (Reply 7): Why exactly do you believe this to be the case?
It's a joke. I have maintained, contrary to the views of a substantial number of members who frequently post here about AA, that this would be the exact outcome in the AMR bankruptcy since last April, when Parker first approached the leaders of AMR's unions. But nobody seemed to agree with much that. And now here we are. That's all.
IrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1731 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4294 times:
Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 5):
Like I've been saying all along -- this merger is never going to happen.
JFKPurser From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 471 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4249 times:
Quoting phxa340 (Reply 9): And you will be back here in 2 years complaining about the new management ... Be careful what you wish for but best of luck.
You may be right. If there's something to complain about -- I very well might just "complain" about it, just like everyone else on the board "complains" about just about every other thing they personally find distasteful -- which by the way often happen to be labor unions or under qualified airline employees who claim to know a lot about things they don't or shouldn't really know anything about. But I digress. So far in this instance, US Airways management has demonstrated their willingness to handle AMR's labor unions much more equitably. We will see whether or not that continues. For now, we are hopeful that we may have at last transcended one of the worst labor/management relationships the airline industry has seen. There is a blueprint for a positive relationship moving forward, and that is at least something. Not to mention the real possibility of a viable AA for the long term. It's a good day.
Quoting Av8tor (Reply 6): going to hurt the consumer....
Give me a break! This industry has lost billions of dollars over the past decade. Should they continue to lose money for the benefit of the consumer or should they be allowed to make strategic moves to help themselves become profitable? If the consumer doesn't like it, they should drive or take a train
Thank you...this is the only product/industry where I'm still paying within 20% of what I paid in the 90's. My parents paid around 500.00 to send me DFW-SJU for a school trip in the early 90's and the fares are still about the same. People need to stop the complaining about airfares. I always want to ask the complainer if they'll give me their product or service for the same price it was in 1993.
ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4009 posts, RR: 23 Reply 16, posted (3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4090 times:
Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 10): It's a joke. I have maintained, contrary to the views of a substantial number of members who frequently post here about AA, that this would be the exact outcome in the AMR bankruptcy since last April, when Parker first approached the leaders of AMR's unions. But nobody seemed to agree with much that. And now here we are. That's all.
Anyone with a half brain new this was happening, but there are many in denial. Depending on exactly how the SLI process works out, there are probably going to be a lot of current American employees laid off. Unless there is something worked out to give AA a seniority bonus (which I doubt), the highly senior US Airways is going send a pretty good impact through the system. Granted there will probably be fences on the hubs and large jet flying, but when it comes to outstations that aren't outsourced (yet) it'll get ugly.
My biggest concern is for those at Eagle. If they spin it off like what Delta did, and turn them into contractors, its going to be pretty devastating.
Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
dabpit From United States of America, joined May 2012, 80 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4088 times:
Quoting Av8tor (Reply 6): Give me a break! This industry has lost billions of dollars over the past decade. Should they continue to lose money for the benefit of the consumer or should they be allowed to make strategic moves to help themselves become profitable? If the consumer doesn't like it, they should drive or take a train.
Fewer choices for the consumer means higher prices since there will be less airlines
Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 8): Tell that to junior employees looking for work this time next year.
Sadly it will hurt them as well
Quoting phxa340 (Reply 9): And you will be back here in 2 years complaining about the new management ... Be careful what you wish for but best of luck.
MaddogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 350 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4088 times:
I really wonder if this proposed merger is going to clear the anti-trust & DOJ hurdles, I would think that would be the biggest obstacle at this point given the consolidation that's occurred in the industry over the past few years...
JoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 197 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3953 times:
Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 16): there are probably going to be a lot of current American employees laid off.
I have from a pretty good source that no employees at US Air will be layed off at all. Virtually all of the layoffs approx 10,000-12,000 will be on the AA side of the equation. Virtually 100% of AA management from Horton on down to every front line manager will be gone.
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10481 posts, RR: 20 Reply 20, posted (3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3946 times:
Quoting Av8tor (Reply 6): If the consumer doesn't like it, they should drive or take a train.
Indeed, that or just not travel. There is a fair amount of travel that is discretionary, and if air travel becomes too costly, a lot of that discretionary spend will not happen or it will go other places. Consumers don't have a right to travel by air, and the air travel industry doesn't have a right to consumers.
dabpit From United States of America, joined May 2012, 80 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3913 times:
Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 19): I have from a pretty good source that no employees at US Air will be layed off at all. Virtually all of the layoffs approx 10,000-12,000 will be on the AA side of the equation. Virtually 100% of AA management from Horton on down to every front line manager will be gone.
Didn't this happen with US when they were taken over by American West?
MaddogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 350 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3893 times:
Quoting dabpit (Reply 21): Didn't this happen with US when they were taken over by American West?
dabpit From United States of America, joined May 2012, 80 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3864 times:
Quoting MaddogJT8D (Reply 22): And with TWA as well...payback is a bi@tch!
That is true...
25 texan: For better or worse, it shouldn't have difficulty passing the antitrust tests, partially because of past industry consolidation. The DOJ will raise c
26 stlgph: Well I feel for the TWA employees who were recalled, that's for sure. Spirit Airlines just posted a 27% increase in traffic for the month of January
30 ouboy79: Management team was split almost in half between US and HP, with HP guys getting some of the bigger titles. However front line wasn't as massively im
31 texan: I calculate that the current HHI is in the range of .1110 (or 11.10%) to .1121. The HHI after the merger would be in the range of .1319 to .1330. The
32 Maverick623: I find it hard to believe that US has more seniority than AA. Just my two cents.
33 JFKPurser: The seniority curve of the US FA groups is just slightly ahead of AA toward the top of the list. But that may very well change when they open up the
34 PA727: Per strong and reliable contacts within AA, the official announcement will be released at 5:30 a.m. CST tomorrow morning. Also, I was told it will be
35 flyfree727: thank you for your FACTUAL information which you provided throughout this process.. Gotta hand it to you, you called it exactly as it played out and
36 speedbird9: Announced on Facebook: "We are proud to announce American & US Airways are coming together to create the new American Airlines. The combined netwo
37 SA7700: As the merger has been officially announced, this thread will be locked for further discussions. Any posts added after the thread lock will be removed
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