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User currently offlineboeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 441 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15750 times:

I know this is a pretty short notice, since we will more than likely find out tomorrow. But the question is will US drop Star Alliance before this merger goes through?

I think as an ideal situation for this to happen, but a many people know dropping/joining an alliance is a very long process. But the question is; could it happen soon enough?


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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5732 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15715 times:

Quoting boeing773ER (Thread starter):
but a many people know dropping/joining an alliance is a very long process.

Is it? I don't remember Continental taking that long to leave SkyTeam for *A.



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3367 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15623 times:

For now, business as usual. Eventually US will ask to be released.


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User currently offlineboeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15532 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 1):

I just did a quick Wiki search, and it said that Continental decided to drop Skyteam in June of 2008, and resigned from Skyteam in October of 2009. So I believe it is a little more of a lengthy process.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 2):

And that's what I was assuming, but this is the first time this type of merger is occurring in the US. Where both of the airlines are not in the same alliance, prior to the merger.



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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6234 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15501 times:

Most prob within a couple of months they will transition into OneWorld, they will operate as a 1W carrier until full integration with AA.


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User currently offlineamerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3993 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15396 times:
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If US had started the process of leaving Star last year, they'd be joining One World already this summer. That is what they should have done a year ago. I don't see AA going to Star.

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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3367 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15303 times:

Quoting boeing773ER (Reply 3):
Where both of the airlines are not in the same alliance, prior to the merger.

It's not the first trans-alliance merger. Shanghai left *A after being incorporated into China Eastern which was joining SkyTeam. BMI left *A after being acquired by BA. And Canadian Airlines was acquired by *A founder Air Canada.



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User currently offlineboeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15071 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 6):

Well, you didn't take my entire quote. I said in the US

I'm well aware of these other mergers, but I didn't know if the process would be a little bit different in the US.



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User currently offlinestrfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 1398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14575 times:
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Quoting boeing773ER (Thread starter):

Leaving an alliance is not a long process but it does have procedures. in dropping the alliance all travelers booked onward VIA said alliance have got to be notified or offered the chance to re-book on an alliance carrier that does get them where they want TO go. after that? they stop taking reservations on the alliance they're leaving and announce they're joining a new alliance where they intend to take reservations, Then comes the long process of revenue accounting and
Passenger accounting on who is going where on Whom and when.


User currently offlinedtwlax From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 14257 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 1):
Is it? I don't remember Continental taking that long to leave SkyTeam for *A.

It took CO more than a year to leave Skyteam.
But was out of Skyteam and into Star well before the merger with UA was announced.


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14200 times:

US will leave Star. For one, the AA/BA JV is just too good of a thing to pass-up. And AA is a much larger partner in OW than US is in Star.


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User currently onlineT5towbar From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13931 times:

Quoting boeing773ER (Reply 3):
just did a quick Wiki search, and it said that Continental decided to drop Skyteam in June of 2008, and resigned from Skyteam in October of 2009. So I believe it is a little more of a lengthy process.

That was because of the DL/NW merger. Remember, NW held the "Golden Share" of stock which prevented CO from doing anything. (NW brought CO into Sky Team in the first place, IIRC.) Once NW was bought by DL, CO bought back the "Golden Share". Then CO made the move to Star to get closer with UA. And you know the rest....

But I would think that this process would be expedited so to speak that US goes to One World. I don't think that would be any problems. US didn't have a very large presence in Star, or had JV's, so on paper, moving to OW should be a lot easier. For the case of the hole in the SE network for UA; like a previous poster said, IAD and IAH would have to do double duty to cover the South East that US covered with their large CLT hub. They (US) went to a lot of the smaller cities in the South East which was code shared with UA.



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4178 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13720 times:
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How quickly it gets done depends on how cooperating the parties are. Even if the Star Alliance contract has specific exit terms, there's nothing precluding US Air from executing a faster exit provided Star and the other carriers agree.

This goodwill is not guaranteed, however. For example, when Brussels Airlines was ready to join Star, it wasn't leaving an alliance but it had very close ties with American. Because AA was presumably benefiting a lot from these ties, it forced Brussels Airlines to execute their contract in full until the very last day.



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User currently offline777law From Monaco, joined Jul 2006, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12601 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 12):
This goodwill is not guaranteed, however. For example, when Brussels Airlines was ready to join Star, it wasn't leaving an alliance but it had very close ties with American. Because AA was presumably benefiting a lot from these ties, it forced Brussels Airlines to execute their contract in full until the very last day.

Yeah, but why would any *A member want to keep US in the alliance any longer than necessary to orchastrate an orderly exit? Since US launched the merger bid with AA it's been a foregone conclusion that it would leave *A if the merger went through. And since the UA/CO merger US has been pretty much a bit player in *A. I can't imagine any *A member demanding US stay in given that most have probably already assumed its exit.



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User currently offlineCaptCufflinks From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12575 times:

I got an email from Virgin Atlantic's Flying Club a few months back stating that US Airways would cease to be a flying club partner eligible for earning miles. This was shortly after Delta bought the 49% share in the company, so I had assumed it was something to do with that, and/or, the fact that US would be merging with AA and the reward miles situation would get a little tricky owing to One World and Virgin relations ('No way AA/BA' sprung to mind).

Long story short - I am assuming that US will join or just be absorbed into the AA agreement with One World and that'll be that.


User currently offlinehohd From United States of America, joined May 2008, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11862 times:

With US airways exit, Star may want to look for some minor partner in the USA. They should be looking at Alaska or JetBlue. At the least United should be having a frequent flyer relationship with both or either of these.

User currently offlinevgnatl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11583 times:

The announcement on usairways.com specifically states oneworld as the path going forward.

To all of the comments about the effort related in leaving an alliance. Generally speaking, the effort required (especially on the IT side) is more focused around how long it takes to configure everything for the new alliance, not necessarily the exit of the current alliance.



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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10909 times:
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Quoting hohd (Reply 15):
With US airways exit, Star may want to look for some minor partner in the USA. They should be looking at Alaska or JetBlue. At the least United should be having a frequent flyer relationship with both or either of these.

Well since the USA is basically going to be one mega carrier per alliance: UA/Star, AA+US/OneWorld, Delta/SkyTeam... I don't think they really NEED to find another member. If they were to JetBlue would seem the more logical option with their tie up with Lufthansa, but it's not really a big plus to the alliance?



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User currently offlinemsp747 From United States of America, joined May 2010, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10883 times:

Quoting hohd (Reply 15):
With US airways exit, Star may want to look for some minor partner in the USA. They should be looking at Alaska or JetBlue. At the least United should be having a frequent flyer relationship with both or either of these

The problem with both of these choices is how cozy they are with the competition. AA either owns a piece of B6, or has a strong partnership, if I am not mistaken. If that stays the case, I don't think AA will let them run off to team up with UA in an alliance. AS also has a strong partnership with AA, as well as DL. That, along with the overlap UA and AS have on the west coast would appear to be a deterrent in my opinion.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10744 times:

Quoting msp747 (Reply 18):
AA either owns a piece of B6, or has a strong partnership,

AA has no investment in B6.



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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10227 times:

The merger will take some time so I suspect that US will stay in *A for a few more months. US' exit from Star has been speculated for years, even without a merger, so I am sure both sides are will prepared. Even if US suddenly departs, they will probably have to honor Star agreements through the end of the year.

User currently offlinejayunited From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10109 times:

Co made the jump to STAR while the merger was still making it rounds in the rumor mills and while the executives were working on the details behind the scene. If I'm not mistaken I believe that UA gave CO 4 gates at ORD just days before or a few days after (I do not exactly remember the order) CO officially joined STAR. Thats when ORD employees knew merger talks were serious. But is seems like CO left SKY really fast because the ground work has already taken place. If US has been working on an exit strategy from STAR and I suppose that they have because they have been the the one pursuing this merger from the beginning I assume that US could exit STAR really quickly.

But I think the speed at which they exit STAR is dependent upon how quickly they can get into ONE world. If US has been working with ONE behind the scenes laying the ground work for this transition/merger then this transition could go quickly but if that process just started a few months or weeks ago then they might have to stick with STAR for a while until they get everything in order with ONE.

Quick questions just came to my mind: If US has just started the process with ONE and with most people agreeing that this merger will go thru how long will STAR be patience and allow US to stay before they ask US to leave? OR would STAR never ask that question to begin with and just allow US to stay until US is ready to leave?


User currently offlinetymnbalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9547 times:

Just to be contrarian, (and I do think it's a forgone conclusion that US/AA will be in 1W), but I wonder if *A would want to keep the combined carrier? Although *A has UA, for them to deny 1W access to a huge market would be a massive blow to 1W.


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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8848 times:

Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 22):
Just to be contrarian, (and I do think it's a forgone conclusion that US/AA will be in 1W), but I wonder if *A would want to keep the combined carrier? Although *A has UA, for them to deny 1W access to a huge market would be a massive blow to 1W.

Yes, but it would likely never get past the anti-trust regulators.


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8340 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 19):
Quoting msp747 (Reply 18):
AA either owns a piece of B6, or has a strong partnership,

AA has no investment in B6.

I believe that LH has an interest in B6, financially speaking.



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25 blueflyer : They could though, if only to hamper a competitor. Business is business... There needs to be a time-definite date for US' exit from Star. As much as
26 anstar : Eventually US will cease to exist. Given the new carrier is going to be called AMERICAN AIRLINES... and not Us Airways, I'd presume the AA alliances
27 n126dl : US Airways' membership in Star will cease to exist when US ceases to exist as it becomes a wholly-owned subsidiary of American Airlines and then is c
28 superjeff : That's old news, BUT. As with the America West/US Airways merger a few years ago, US is actually the acquiring carrier. AA is larger and the name bet
29 blueflyer : So in 5 or 6 or 7 years then? US Airways' membership in Star will not end with the disappearance of US Airways Group Inc because one way or another,
30 anstar : So in a round about way America West has been able to take over US Airways and now American Airlines! Well merge/takeover read it as you wish.
31 Post contains links SQ22 : I guess that helps a bit: quote 8. Can I continue to earn and redeem miles for travel awards with Star Alliance partners? Yes – until the merger clo
32 jreuschl : "Customers will have access to more choices and better service across a larger global network, as well as the expanded international opportunities tha
33 Maverick623 : A little quip that's been making the rounds: "America West: The little airline that took over the world!"
34 RyanairGuru : BD left Star in something like 3 months, so it can be done fast. Personally I would expect the official leaving will be the day of the merger completi
35 aeroblogger : There is no need for US to join oneworld. Making Dividend Miles freely convertible with AAdvantage Miles, matching elite statuses, and slapping an AA
36 PanAmPaul : I don't see US dropping out of *A until the merger has closed. This is primarily because there is no guarantee the merger will close. Yes, it's likely
37 n126dl : Well damn, I was way off.
38 Post contains images captainstefan : I think it'd be cool for them to carry on the Cactus callsign (much like Expressjet adopting Acey and US Airways adopting Cactus in the first place).
39 LipeGIG : That's the key issue that will drive the combined AA/US into OneWorld. With UA as a Star member and DL as a Skyteam member, the only way not to have
40 jumpjets : Forgive me if I am being stupid but hasn't it been signalled by Doug Parker from day 1 of the hysteria about whether this merger would ever happen tha
41 Maverick623 : Even better: use the AAL code with callsign "Cactus". Actually, that's exactly why the controllers were so confused back in 2008. When the operating
42 Post contains images TSS : Yep. When rumors started swirling about a possible AA/US merger a year ago, I said then (and numerous times thereafter) that I'd only start taking th
43 SCL767 : Why would the Dividend Miles program partner up with other oneworld alliance carriers in the short term when the Dividend Miles program will be repla
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