FL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1575 posts, RR: 11 Posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13866 times:
On the heels of adding SJC, SEA, and BNA to their LAX portfolio, DL is now also adding ANC, BOS, and GEG. ANC will be twice weekly (FRI/SUN) during the summer using a 757 starting June 21st. BOS will be a daily 757 starting June 10th with a redeye eastbound and a morning flight the other direction. GEG will also start June 10th using a CR9.
2030-0100 757 57
2350-0605 757 57
2230-0710 757 D
0845-1200 757 D
1950-2225 CR9 D
0645-0920 CR9 D
These flights are viewable in Delta's desktop timetable.
BOS isn't too surprising of an addition but ANC and GEG certainly are IMO. I wonder how AS will feel about ANC and GEG.
Personally I think LAX is perhaps the most interesting market to watch and it will be interesting to see how the future plays out with AA, UA, DL, WN, and VX all fighting for a share of the pie. It would be great for LAX if all 5 can keep expanding their ops and I think that is what will happen as much as gate space allows. Speaking of which, I wonder how much wiggle room DL has left at this point. T5 will be busy.
UALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 860 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13708 times:
Quoting FL787 (Thread starter): Personally I think LAX is perhaps the most interesting market to watch and it will be interesting to see how the future plays out with AA, UA, DL, WN, and VX all fighting for a share of the pie.
I wouldn't be surprised to see UA blink first. They have steadily downgauged from mainline to express on several routes and cut frequency on others. Their market share has also been declining, I believe, although it's a chicken-and-egg as to which of those situations caused the other. I think once the SFO renovations are completed and UA will be at full capacity up there, LAX, while they certainly won't abandon the 2nd largest city in the US, will become less of a focus for them to defend.
Back on topic, has DL never flown LAX-BOS or is this a resumption of once-upon-a-time service?
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PIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13608 times:
DL right now is the odd man out on BOS-LAX. They well need to increase frequency to more then once daily to compete with AA, UA, B6, and VX who all offer more then one flight per day on the route. This is the one of the few remaining routes they will need to start in order to show that they are serous about their intentions with the LA market, they will not succeed with one daily flight, they need more. I hope I'm proven wrong on my opinion on this but only time will tell. I believe they will need to start IAD, DEN, DFW, IAH, and ORD to finish their domestic offering out of LAX.
B747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17641 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13544 times:
Finally Delta connects one of the most important domestic points to their LAX "hub". While I am glad they added BOS, I think they need another frequency on the route, leaving early morning from LAX and returning in the evening.
As I wrote in the DL SJC thread, Delta seems committed to Los Angeles, which they demonstrate with the launch of Boston. Now we are only missing a few more important destinations (mentioned above in reply 6) before Delta has full coverage out of LAX. Furthermore, with their 49% stake in VS I would not be surprised to see one of the LHR flights transferred to Delta metal.
only two days a week? Well I don't think AS will even notice.
Quoting FL787 (Thread starter): Speaking of which, I wonder how much wiggle room DL has left at this point. T5 will be busy.
Right now they are at ~8 flights per day per gate. So pretty darn busy.
(note, I really have no idea what gates in T6 they can/can't use. I do know at one point a rumor was floating around that they were trying to work out a deal with United for use of the old DL connector gates. No idea how true that is....just the rumor mill.) Also they have been using some of the parking spots at the hangar for RJ flights
klwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2492 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13260 times:
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 8): Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 6): I believe they will need to start IAD, DEN, DFW, IAH, and ORD to finish their domestic offering out of LAX.
agreed. I want to see EWR and PHL back also. (oh and PDX)
Yes, agreed. And they should add all these routes sooner rather than later if they are so serious about this LAX buildup. Let's see how the incumbent carriers respond. Let the games begin.
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4573 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13087 times:
Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 1): AS and DL both use to serve GEG-LAX. Currently no one serves it, so AS can't get too upset
I think AS is not going to be upset, it seems whatever new arrangement they made a couple months back, must have included flying each others key routes to dominate and hopefully rid themselves of any possible competition. AS has a nice thing going on the west coast.
Since AS/DL have made their new stronger alliance, AS has begun SEA-SLC, DL LAX-SEA now LAX-ANC & LAX-GEG. right into the heart of AS country. Normally a move by a carrier DL's size into such protected AS markets, would have elicited a strong reaction from AS, look at B6 going SEA-ANC 1 x daily. and AS trumped with triple miles.
This would be great, and a welcome back to DL, I do hope we see a couple of CR9's ourselves here, I'm needing them to start by the last week in September. Last time I took DL PDX-LAX-PDX it was being flown on 733's, before that 72S's.
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4573 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13020 times:
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 16):
And of course, AS doesn't fly GEG-LAX so I have no idea why they would get super upset. Gives them a chance to codeshare on an ex-route.
Yes that is true, AS most likely dominates the market share anyway. IIRC, AS is not putting it's code on the LAX-SEA flights flown by the DL CR9's, I am unsure if they will be doing so on LAX-ANC or LAX-GEG. Since G4 announced GEG-HNL I had hoped they may think of taking on this route non-stop, but I guess I was wrong.
How much room does DL have to grow there at LAX? I hope we see more DL dots on the west coast being connected to LAX. I think these flights will help DL keep more inventory control for their top tier frequent flier base.
klkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11962 times:
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 5): Also I am showing PVR coming back to daily (738) and GDL coming back to daily (757....not sure i get this being on a 757 when it failed with a 320 just a few months ago....)
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 19314 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11914 times:
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 20): Really? When did that happen? I just looked on Delta.com and they still list all three LAX-SEA flights as CR9's by Skywest.
Check Saturday, if not sooner. What is going on with DL/AS? It's been back and forth for a couple weeks now, starting with LAXSEA on DL, an increase on AS, LAXSJC and ATLANC on DL, now LAXANC/GEG and an upgauge on LAXSEA. Doesn't seem very partner-ly
Note the OP specifies these additions are only on Fridays and Sundays. So this looks to be an asset utilization play or an observed connection trend rather than an attempt to compete with the 4 carriers currently running the route with multiple dailies.
This frequent BOS-DTW-LAX flier appreciates the summertime addition!
: No the OP mentions that ANC is Fr/Su only (hence the 57 comment after the 757 equipment). BOS/GEG both have D instead of 57, meaning it will be daily
: Great news! As a DL FF living in Bozeman, I can say that the DL flights here are always packed--especially to SLC. I've wondered if we might soon get
: ...which is odd because 5/7 are not utilization days, although it is pretty much a utilization schedule. Maybe 57 to ANC is better than 57 redeye to
: I wonder if DL's moves are intended to put pressure on AS to make a choice....DL or AA?
: Clearly AS choosing AA for a tighter deal in LAX has either irritated DL or caused them to quickly think about building up to replace them.
: GEG received a Small Community Air Service grant for service to LAX. Perhaps Delta was the only responder.
: Regarding GEG, there has been SCASD money on the table since 2011 for resumption of a Southern California link. However I am not sure DL will qualify
: I do know that when they were flying to BOS in late 2007-early 2008, it was on 738s.
: I don't think AS has to worry about the pressure. Next time I fly SEA-LAX/SLC/MSP/ATL/HNL, I'll have a choice between DL and AS. Guess which one I'll
: I was thinking the same, and the coveted business community will likely roll its eyes in a 'we've-seen-this-movie-before' way. But I don't know wheth
: With some 500+ pax daily between Spokane and the SoCal area..... I'm surprised the this went unattended for so long, and that a grant is even needed
: DL had LAX-PHL last year with a 1x 738. It got dropped. Apparently didn't do so well. I could see LAX-EWR added back with a daily 738 when EWR-CDG re
: Philly is a difficult nut to crack on trunk routes. Just ask WN. It's a rare case of US winning, nearly across the board. Jury's still out on VX to t
: How many more routes need to be added at LAX before we all agree that DL intends to make LAX a hub?
: AS/QX has tried LAX-GEG on several occasions and then later discontinued it. They were flying it around 2005 with an AS MD-80; then tried again a few
: AA and Delta are the preferred airlines of one very large D Contractor with operations in Boston, LA, and Dallas. Of course, the merger of AA/US may
: 1) Very seasonal - 4 month summer period accounts for 60% of the traffic. 2) Its a leisure market. Not a SEA or PDX that generates good deal of busin
: PVR has been an odd market for DL since they pulled out after running for many years after the WA merger. AM took the route over, then dropped it. I
: Nail-on-the-head prize for these two! Sure, they might operate fairly full but at what rasm? AS has tried it and it didn't work...but then they have
: The agreement between AA and AS didn't change anything between DL and AS. I don't think DL is irritated with AS at all. I think DL and AS and AA are
: Look at AA. They fly both LAX-JFK and LAX-EWR.
: Exactly! Perfect examples are DL's new LAX-SEA flights. AS flights are packed on this route and they couldn't provide the seats that DL needed. Inste
: Looking at DOT numbers the Skywest CR9 operating cost are $1,983/hr excluding fuel. For fuel they report they burn an average of 461/gal per block hr.
: Maybe they are waiting to see if any beoynd-perimeter slots are divested at DCA with the merger before they do anything?
: When airlines add service on a major codeshare partners route, it's often not an instance of cooperating - it's because they know they are losing pot
: Not really. Delta is actually restarting and old old legacy Western route. Western flew it for several years with a 737-200 and I believe Delta ran i
: Going way back, in the early 1990s DL had 3 L-1011-500 nonstops a week LAX-ANC. Expect that flight continued somewhere in Asia. Photo below at ANC Ju
: How long has LAX been on-and-off as an "official" DL hub? I remember it being on the hub maps in Sky Magazine not too long ago. It seems like they kee
: PVR-July 1(and sorry, its a 320, not 738) GDL- July 1 Delta.com is always loaded on Saturday. Not when was....but when will. route starts back July 1
: Routing LAX-ANC-HKG, before the M11's came along and the route went non-stop, IIRC.
: Exactly right - DL 88/89 LAX-ANC-HKG
: Also going to a 76W to utilize the same equipment as SEA-HND. Both aircraft will be in HND at nearly the same time. Plus it helps balance out capacit
: LAX-BOS: DL has no choice but to add this route or they would be the only large carrier at BOS without a non-stop flight to the west coast, now that U
: Yeah, but I would say that DL isn't AA. I just don't see how it provides enough benefit to be worth the fight. After all, AA only flies the route onc
: IMHO we are going to see some LAX south stuff announced for the end of the year.....LAX-SAL/PTY/SJO come to mind
: A trash-yield consolidator market (SAL); a low-yield, long-haul tourist market (SJO); and a market with only so-so local demand that DL won't grab (P
: It is also a route where US is huge (~60 percent share) without the benefit of much LAX POS. The merger is going to make the carrier that much strong
: Yes, and AA wasn't going to merge with US right?.....just like that statement, you are entitled to your opinion ....doesn't mean you are right. We'll
: You know you bring up a good point -- only UA flies LAX-EWR with 1x redeye a day. Perhaps DL would consider LAX-EWR outbound redeye, early morning re
: My characterizations of those markets - besides the opinion DL won't grab LAXPTY local traffic - aren't opinions. Those are facts.
: Those characterizations of those markets represent a fixed point in time.....in the past. Much has changed and is changing. The urbanization of Centr
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: I wouldn't be surprised to see DL start LAX-LIR. Costa Rica is incredibly popular in SoCal. Yeah it's a tourist route, but the fares are generally hig