Gonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 2024 posts, RR: 2 Posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36881 times:
After reading almost a thousand posts in the threads related with AA and their new livery, I thought that we will never could reach a conclusive evidence of who was the mind behind the new tail and fuselage of the AA's planes. Some names were given with more or less "credit", but nothing conclusive.
Well, the truth is, if some of you wants to send a message ( good or bad ) to the original author of the new livery the AA planes will be wearing, you better look for a medium, because he/she is probably dead long time ago.
How can I say this ?
Look at this image ( Ok, not a "picture", but the book where I found it is a serious publication about Aviation, and it was printed in 2004 ), and tell me that this is not *almost* exactly the same paint job that every AA plane will have :
mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 11609 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 35875 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 3): I don't see how this is "busted" evidence. I'm sure the new livery adopted by AA now has much more to it than just an aircraft's tail painting from the past...
This is true........why not say that the original designer of the U.S. flag is the designer of AA's livery and that goes back, way beyond 1937. I'm thinking this design was pretty standard on U.S. military a/c in the 30s.
"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
Gonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 2024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 35353 times:
Quoting Devilfish (Reply 2): Great find! Almost certainly based at Fort Stotsenburg...later Clark Field.
Yep...According to the book the Martin B-10 of the image was part of the 28th Squadron based in Luzon ( Philippines ) between 1937 and 1941.
Quoting A388 (Reply 3): I don't see how this is "busted" evidence.
Oh, come on, that was just a little dose of innocent humor. The thing is, certainly the "new livery" ( to say the least ) is not very special. Clearly is not a "big innovation", since the design was probably used hundreds of times in military planes.
jet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 34611 times:
My view is that the stripes are some adaptation of the the USAirways flag on the tail. Something of a compromise. No evidence for this though. I remember reading some years back how the (then) new JAL red and black 'sword' design livery still incorporated the crane to keep the traditionalist happy.
SouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 457 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 31754 times:
The fact that the new AA livery looks like a seemingly endless number of other existing designs, everything from Aeroflot and Cubana to U.S. military aircraft to Colgan Air, for pete's sake, just shows how misguided it is. With all the flag stylization it's simultaneously overwrought and dull. (As you might suspect it's not growing on me at all, at least not the tail).
What does AA/US merger mean for CLT/JFK/PHX/North America/Southern Hemisphere/God's Plan for the Universe
4engines4lnghll From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 30735 times:
I think the AA livery is great! Think about it almost every airline in the US has a boring dark blue tail or some blue... Just like the previous livery you can spot an AA plane from a far distance. When you see the red stripes on the tail you know its AA. I was expecting like the others some amateur mock up or something.
On the AA website it shows how the US grey flag stripes contributed to the new AA logo. I think the livery and logo does have a bit of US in it and im sure it was all planned to have that US flag incorporated with the AA colors, specifically for the merger. (obviously)
VC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3332 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 26403 times:
I know the person and people who did it. They used to work at LANDOR many years ago and he and they did NOT copy that. Like the livery or not...the idea is simply a stylized American flag. No different than South African or BA. Period. Story over.
The world is missing love, let's use our flights to spread it!
longhauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5714 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 26338 times:
Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 18): The new logo, according to the website, is a combination of the AA Eagle and the US star. That was announced before the merger, so I do think that this new livery had a merger with US in mind.
That is what they say, but every time I see the new logo, I am reminded that it looks like the old Greyhound logo ... with the dog running past the flag!
Just because I stopped arguing, doesn't mean I think you are right. It just means I gave up!
ozark1 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 685 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 24902 times:
Quoting 4engines4lnghll (Reply 17): Just like the previous livery you can spot an AA plane from a far distance. When you see the red stripes on the tail you know its AA. I was expecting like the others some amateur mock up or something.
They have told us they are going to illuminate all the fleet's tails. Maybe I will like it after I see it lit up at night. Would probably be cool.