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Busted!: The Truth Behind The New AA Livery  
User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1992 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 35845 times:

After reading almost a thousand posts in the threads related with AA and their new livery, I thought that we will never could reach a conclusive evidence of who was the mind behind the new tail and fuselage of the AA's planes. Some names were given with more or less "credit", but nothing conclusive.
Well, the truth is, if some of you wants to send a message ( good or bad ) to the original author of the new livery the AA planes will be wearing, you better look for a medium, because he/she is probably dead long time ago.
How can I say this ?

Look at this image ( Ok, not a "picture", but the book where I found it is a serious publication about Aviation, and it was printed in 2004 ), and tell me that this is not *almost* exactly the same paint job that every AA plane will have :



From "The Aviation Encyiclopedia", page 325



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 35292 times:

That looks a lot better than the new AA tail.

I say keep the US paint job, but add the AA titles.



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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4876 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 35269 times:

Great find! Almost certainly based at Fort Stotsenburg...later Clark Field.

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Photo © Michael Arcellana




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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 35167 times:

I don't see how this is "busted" evidence. I'm sure the new livery adopted by AA now has much more to it than just an aircraft's tail painting from the past...

A388


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 34839 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 3):
I don't see how this is "busted" evidence. I'm sure the new livery adopted by AA now has much more to it than just an aircraft's tail painting from the past...

This is true........why not say that the original designer of the U.S. flag is the designer of AA's livery and that goes back, way beyond 1937. I'm thinking this design was pretty standard on U.S. military a/c in the 30s.



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User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1916 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 34639 times:

I thought you were going to find an 8th grade drawing competition from 2005 with the new AA tail with an F- grade.

THAT would be *busted*
And no one would be surprised.... it's THAT bad.



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User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1992 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 34317 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 2):
Great find! Almost certainly based at Fort Stotsenburg...later Clark Field.

Yep...According to the book the Martin B-10 of the image was part of the 28th Squadron based in Luzon ( Philippines ) between 1937 and 1941.

Quoting A388 (Reply 3):
I don't see how this is "busted" evidence.

Oh, come on, that was just a little dose of innocent humor. The thing is, certainly the "new livery" ( to say the least ) is not very special. Clearly is not a "big innovation", since the design was probably used hundreds of times in military planes.

Rgds.
G.



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User currently offlinejoacocifuentes From Argentina, joined Sep 2012, 122 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 34022 times:

Actually an american flag in an american aircraft makes sense. It would be weird if there were any airplane wearing an US flag.
It just make sense to me.


User currently offlinelvhgel From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2007, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 33783 times:

May be they were thinking on the merger with US Air while choosing this color scheme... Just a thought.

User currently offlinetsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 33621 times:

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 5):
I thought you were going to find an 8th grade drawing competition from 2005 with the new AA tail with an F- grade.

OUCH! That's harsh! LOL


User currently offlinejet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 874 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 33575 times:

My view is that the stripes are some adaptation of the the USAirways flag on the tail. Something of a compromise. No evidence for this though. I remember reading some years back how the (then) new JAL red and black 'sword' design livery still incorporated the crane to keep the traditionalist happy.

User currently offlineCamiloA380 From Sweden, joined Feb 2008, 486 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 33162 times:

Busted? Just because you saw something similar on a random book? lol...just...lol

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 5):
I thought you were going to find an 8th grade drawing competition from 2005 with the new AA tail with an F- grade.

Hahaha!

I personally like it.



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3694 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 32888 times:

I guess you're trying to be funny here?


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User currently offlinewinstonlegthigh From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 32054 times:

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 5):

I thought you were going to find an 8th grade drawing competition from 2005 with the new AA tail with an F- grade.

Well done. +1

Although it has grown on me fast, this probably sums up my initial reaction during the first 10-15 seconds after I saw it.



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 31370 times:

Hmmm was actually expecting something interesting... oh well...


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User currently offlineSouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 30718 times:

The fact that the new AA livery looks like a seemingly endless number of other existing designs, everything from Aeroflot and Cubana to U.S. military aircraft to Colgan Air, for pete's sake, just shows how misguided it is. With all the flag stylization it's simultaneously overwrought and dull. (As you might suspect it's not growing on me at all, at least not the tail).


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User currently offlinecomairguycvg From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 30112 times:

Doesn't look anything like the new AA tail.

User currently offline4engines4lnghll From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 29699 times:
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I think the AA livery is great! Think about it almost every airline in the US has a boring dark blue tail or some blue... Just like the previous livery you can spot an AA plane from a far distance. When you see the red stripes on the tail you know its AA. I was expecting like the others some amateur mock up or something.


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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 28826 times:

The new logo, according to the website, is a combination of the AA Eagle and the US star. That was announced before the merger, so I do think that this new livery had a merger with US in mind.


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User currently offlineSCAT15F From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 28112 times:

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 5):
I thought you were going to find an 8th grade drawing competition from 2005 with the new AA tail with an F- grade.

THAT would be *busted*
And no one would be surprised.... it's THAT bad.

Truer words were never spoken.


User currently offline4engines4lnghll From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 26094 times:
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Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 18):


On the AA website it shows how the US grey flag stripes contributed to the new AA logo. I think the livery and logo does have a bit of US in it and im sure it was all planned to have that US flag incorporated with the AA colors, specifically for the merger. (obviously)

[Edited 2013-02-14 15:56:44]


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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2940 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 25367 times:
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I know the person and people who did it. They used to work at LANDOR many years ago and he and they did NOT copy that. Like the livery or not...the idea is simply a stylized American flag. No different than South African or BA. Period. Story over.


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User currently onlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5048 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 25302 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 18):
The new logo, according to the website, is a combination of the AA Eagle and the US star. That was announced before the merger, so I do think that this new livery had a merger with US in mind.

That is what they say, but every time I see the new logo, I am reminded that it looks like the old Greyhound logo ... with the dog running past the flag!



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User currently offlineozark1 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 23866 times:

Quoting 4engines4lnghll (Reply 17):
Just like the previous livery you can spot an AA plane from a far distance. When you see the red stripes on the tail you know its AA. I was expecting like the others some amateur mock up or something.

They have told us they are going to illuminate all the fleet's tails. Maybe I will like it after I see it lit up at night. Would probably be cool.


User currently offlineAApilot2b From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 572 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 24014 times:

I'm biased, but I like the new scheme. I will miss the polished aluminum, but we knew that would have to go some day...

25 lostsound : I love the new scheme, which in my eyes is actually a merger livery. It has elements from both airlines.
26 PPVRA : I like the new livery, but my worry is, will it still look good once they replace the silver paint with white paint? Every airline out there (that I c
27 StarAC17 : I don't but it makes sense with the merger in mind. I think the old AA livery was a classic, not fancy and the polished aluminum is still cool.
28 gigneil : I mean clearly, and duh, they planned the new livery with the merger in mind. NS
29 Tristan7977 : I honestly like the new livery!! I don't see why people don't like it. It's apparent that they aren't going to change the new AA livery. It wouldn't m
30 thebatman : My initial reaction: why did they put a piano on the tail? But that's just me...
31 DrColenzo : Hmm. When I was at school I was told that the Flag of the United States of America was adopted by the Second Continental Congress on June 14, 1777...,
32 Archer : I agree with Spree34. My first thought when I saw it was "garrish" if that's the way to spell it. Too freaky to me.
33 thrufru : I can say that I was rather underwhelmed when the new livery was rolled out. However, I was taxiing last Sunday in MIA when the 738 landed on 8R. It l
34 brilondon : Ok guys, can we stop every thread about AA from turning into a thread bashing the new livery. I love it. It seems that I am in the minority here but i
35 Post contains images LanPeru : How IRONIC how AA is now doing what LAN did years ago as well, based on a design that I ended up sharing with a member that has a strong connection wi
36 ckfred : So, you want to go down the CO-UA path, where the acquiring carrier keeps its livery, even though the acquired carrier has the better known brand? Pe
37 Post contains images Aerowrench : That was a great way to start the day! Thanks for posting this
38 Burkhard : I agree. With that paint job and related marketing, the takeover of AA/US by a competitor is a matter of months, not years.
39 superjeff : Ditto!
40 SouthernDC9 : I'm hoping the 738 makes it to DCA soon and that I see it, I'm curious if an in-person encounter would change my opinion. My main gripe is the tail -
41 Bn747dfwhnl : The issue isn't that they used the flag. It's the boring, unimaginative, as you say so aptly, simple way in which it was done. BA's flag rendition su
42 BN747 : That's the thing.. I couldn't put my finger on it, now it makes sense. The new AA tail looks exactly like it's stuck in the 1930s (worst and least ima
43 longhauler : I really like the new livery and corporate image as well. It is fresh, modern and new. I have a feeling that when seen in person, it will look even b
44 robsaw : And there you have it. If 3 years from now anyone points to the livery as a factual significant factor in the success or failure of the AA-US merger,
45 BN747 : Not really, ...photos is what made Airliners.net what it is. It's the sole anchor point of this website. People are here because a near innate attrac
46 longhauler : I find that surprising, but you have seen it, I have not. I remember seeing the last NW paint scheme in pictures and drawings and thought it was dull
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