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Changing Currents- Caribbean Aviation Thread 104  
User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1432 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 7 months 6 days ago) and read 22993 times:

Greetings once again to all A.net patrons and welcome to the first Caribbean Aviation Thread of 2013!


This is our 104th instalment and I must thank all our contributors and silent observers for religiously continuing to support the thread. That said, our regional aviation industry climate is always spiced with its fair share of conspicuous developments. The past several months have proven to be quite eventful with start-ups, shutdowns, pullouts and we can never forget politicking. That said, as we continue through the new year, let this be a year of measured and sustainable development for the Caribbean aviation industry; no matter how small that development may be.



******NEWS FEED******
GEO and China sign US$130M airport expansion deal
VS using A333 on BGI and ANU rotations; more 744 EC services to be replaced
BW DHC8's all retired and being ferried to CYYC
BW B763s operating to JFK/YYZ more frequently; even used on LGW route (ETOPS 180min?)
Dominica becomes shareholder in LI
BW accorded GEO flag carrier status with nonstop JFK and YYZ services
FlyJamaica successfully launches KIN-JFK service after hiccups
EZjet dies a hostile death; GOG using $200,000 bond to reimburse pax affected
LI orders six new ATR-42-600s; first to come in June 2013
LI orders two new ATR-72-600s via Air Lease Corp; coming in June/August
VS to cut 1x weekly LGW-TAB B744 route in May 2013
BW to get 3rd B763 in Q3 of 2013. Expected from the Far East.
CM increases POS-PTY from daily to 12 weekly eith E190
DAE to add 6 ATR-72s to their fleet for expansion. (ex American Eagle)
DL discontinues it's once lucrative JFK-GEO nonstop
WS makes POS daily year-round with the B73G



Happy Posting!!


It is what we think we know already that prevents us from learning.......
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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days ago) and read 22995 times:

One thing foir sure 2013 will be a very interesting year for Carib aviation.

What is the REAL reason for DL dropping GEO? Rumors abound...some focus on sloppy management at GEO, exposing airlines to drug trafficking.

Competition on the YYZ POS route froim West jet. How will this impact BW, now that Westjet has committed to the route on a year round basis?

BW monopoly on the JFK GEO route. Will any competitors jump in? What will the Guyana govt do to off set the embarrassment of losing a major carrier? indeed the only global brand to serve GEO when it plans a vastly expanded terminal.


Will PY emerge as a new competitor on GEO North Ameican routes, thereby keeping out the majors who will be loathe to get into a fare war? They have previously spoken about 767 service to YYZ and JFK via GEO, and indeed those routes will only work if routed this way.

Will GORTT finally allow BW management to run the airline instead of interfering?

LIAT with new planes, hopefully changing its much maligned image.

DAE fighting with Insel Air. Is there room for both with DAE's rapid expansion?

Fly Jamaica. Will its be another Ezjet/Redjet?


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 22950 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 1):

Hmmm I can see LI charging for bags or extra "fuel" fees!
I'm also curious to see this DAE vs. Insel fight!
Jetblue taking over the caribbean from SJU
I think we can't expect much from CM this year!
PY vs. BW can be also "mortal kombat"


cheers from GCM !  

PS: BW424 you should come to GCM, looots of trinis expats here, when I arrived I though "wow many indians they're so far from home!!!!..... and then just remembered, oops no, hey I'm on the west indies..... went to the KFC and asked the cashier :" lady from where you come from?" she said right away Trinidad, and u? "Brazil"? whaaat it's carnival!!! what are you doing here?" LOL I missed the caribbean people and its english! sometimes can't get a word of it!  Smile

[Edited 2013-02-14 17:10:07]

User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 22786 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 2):
I think we can't expect much from CM this year!

PTY-GEO before PTY-BGI?
CM taking over Cayman Airways GCM-PTY?
CM making it to SCU?
Of course I can't forget long awaited PTY-BZE hopefully (for real) happening this year.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 22737 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 1):
Rumors abound

That they do

Quoting guyanam (Reply 1):
some focus on sloppy management at GEO, exposing airlines to drug trafficking.

But this is not the REAL reason.....

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 3):
PTY-GEO before PTY-BGI?

Not likely....I see BGI first. They are engaged with CM unlike the folks at GEO. With CM it is a checklist process....you have to address all of their concerns and that takes gobs of time. BGI is on that road....

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 3):
CM taking over Cayman Airways GCM-PTY?

KX loads / yields were horrible and they are not bringing back the flight. Why the lack of success is puzzling but it would definitely give CM pause.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 3):
Of course I can't forget long awaited PTY-BZE hopefully (for real) happening this year.

Thanks for the cheerleading!



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 22722 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
KX loads / yields were horrible and they are not bringing back the flight. Why the lack of success is puzzling but it would definitely give CM pause.

So were DAE CUR-PTY and Constellation T&T POS-CUR-PTY yields before CM started PTY-CUR and PTY-POS. Code-share or not, there are PTY routes which wouldn't work unless flown by CM metal, GCM happens to be one of those.
KX should have negotiated w/CM, let CM fly to GCM and sell the seats thru CM own website/reservations bearing the KX code-share.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineBigMac From Suriname, joined Nov 2003, 319 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 22712 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 1):
Will PY emerge as a new competitor on GEO North Ameican routes, thereby keeping out the majors who will be loathe to get into a fare war? They have previously spoken about 767 service to YYZ and JFK via GEO, and indeed those routes will only work if routed this way.

It seems PY is unable to get rid of their A340 and will have to keep it until 2014. They will seek 2 replacements, either a Boeing 777, 767, or A330.
Additionally, PY will receive a 3rd 737 this quarter (when exactly I don't know). GEO-JFK is on the table but is not a priority (as in do not count on it anytime soon).

Personally, I've been flying PY recently instead of BW on the PBM-MIA route. The flight (including stop) is shorter, the departure/arrival times are better, and you get a nice meal(s). The only problem with PY's 737 are that they are old (interior), there's no IFE of any kind (which doesn't matter to me at all), the seat pitch is a little tighter compared to BW, and there's no online check-in option on the PBM-MIA route.

Below are some pictures I took on BW 484 (POS-MIA) 3.5 months ago (I don't have a registration but it seems to be one of the newer birds):

Notice the F seat is exactly the same as AA's last gen F seat


Huge amount of legroom, couldn't even touch the bulkhead


The menu


Fresh fruit


Herb omelette



To fly, or not to fly: that is the question
User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 22654 times:

Quoting BigMac (Reply 6):

What will PY use its 3rd 737 for? Given that Surinam is poorly integrated into the neighboring countries there are only but so mnay places that they can serve, and it appears as if the existing fleet meets that need.

If PY misses the opportunity to do a GEO JFK route now they might not get another chance. I predict that some one will come and, as we know, this is a two airline route only. BW is too established to be dislodged now that they have nonstops. A new US brand (Jetblue?) will have their own prestige factor.

In fact even Westjet might look at YYZ GEO (if their fleet have the range) if their POS route does well. YYZ is an even tighter route than JFK is.


User currently offlineturk223 From Barbados, joined Aug 2003, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 22614 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
Not likely....I see BGI first.

...from you mouth to Copa's ears


User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 22598 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 7):
I predict that some one will come

Let me get some suggestions to fly the route.


User currently offlineCaymanair From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2004, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 22589 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 2):

Welcome to Grand Cayman! You shouldn't travel down this end and not tell me!

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
KX loads / yields were horrible and they are not bringing back the flight. Why the lack of success is puzzling but it would definitely give CM pause.

Its not puzzling at all. They didn't promote the flight, it was not timed for connections, there weren't enough frequencies, and the build up time was mere weeks. They also got none of the business traffic because they didn't give businesses time to prepare for the non-stops and they didn't organise the cooperative contracts with health providers to carry medical traffic. If they do it properly, it will do well.

Theyre doing the same foolishness with LCE and this 1x weekly thing will lose them a lot of business.


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 22580 times:

Quoting Caymanair (Reply 10):
Theyre doing the same foolishness with LCE and this 1x weekly thing will lose them a lot of business.


Isn't LCE 2Xweekly?



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineCaymanair From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2004, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 22577 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):

Its 2x weekly now, but if you look at their summer schedule it drops to Friday only. Not good.


User currently offlineInbound From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2001, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days ago) and read 22234 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 7):
In fact even Westjet might look at YYZ GEO (if their fleet have the range) if their POS route does well. YYZ is an even tighter route than JFK is.

No, their airplanes will not be able to operate YYZ-GEO.



Maintain own separation with terrain!
User currently offline9YCAL From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2008, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days ago) and read 22229 times:

Inbound, any word on the third B763 for CAL?

User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 22166 times:

Quoting Inbound (Reply 13):
No, their airplanes will not be able to operate YYZ-GEO.

GEO (06°29'55"N 58°15'15"W) YYZ (43°40'38"N 79°37'50"W) 337° (NW) 2870 mi
MVD (34°50'18"S 56°01'51"W) PTY (09°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) 329° (NW) 3385 mi
From www.gcmap.com
Are you sure? B737-700 seems to have the range.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 22142 times:

Quoting Caymanair (Reply 10):
Theyre doing the same foolishness with LCE and this 1x weekly thing will lose them a lot of business.

I was on the LCE flight, out of 50 pax, 20 were on FUNTRIP, local travel agents of GCM trying to promote the destination for KX, they wanted to film me etc... WTF? I had to ruuuush to the ferry boat sorry, maybe next tiiime LOL!

Quoting Caymanair (Reply 10):


Welcome to Grand Cayman! You shouldn't travel down this end and not tell me!

hahahha LOL, had lots of fun in GCM but man itIS expensive.  


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1432 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 22075 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 2):
PS: BW424 you should come to GCM, looots of trinis expats here, when I arrived I though "wow many indians they're so far from home!!!!..... and then just remembered, oops no, hey I'm on the west indies..... went to the KFC and asked the cashier :" lady from where you come from?" she said right away Trinidad, and u? "Brazil"? whaaat it's carnival!!! what are you doing here?" LOL I missed the caribbean people and its english! sometimes can't get a word of it!  

haha...yes, eventually one day when I find the time.

Quoting Inbound (Reply 13):
No, their airplanes will not be able to operate YYZ-GEO.

That begs the question...how is the 2x weekly GEO-YYZ service doing in terms of loads?



It is what we think we know already that prevents us from learning.......
User currently offlineJM02 From France, joined Mar 2009, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 21972 times:

Air Jamaica Shuttle suspends flights

Jamaica Air Shuttle previously operated between Kingston's Tinson Pen Aerodrome and Sangster International Airport in Montego Bay as well as scheduled service to Cayman Brac, Port-au-Prince in Haiti and Santiago de Cuba in Cuba.

The airline on Monday suspended flight operations until further notice and its 25 employees have been laid off.

The developments at Jamaica Air Shuttle come four months after the airline added a fourth weekly flight between Kingston and Port au Prince, Haiti.

Statement from their Facebook page

Dear Valued Jamaica Air Shuttle customers,

Regrettably, Jamaica Air Shuttle has not been spared the rigors of the prevailing toxic global economic climate that has sent the biggest and strongest of airlines scrambling for solutions to the challenges of skyrocketing operating costs and contracting margins.

Effective Monday, February 18, 2013 we will have to suspend flight operations while we renegotiate a sustainable operating model that will assure the Company of the viability sufficient to continue to provide the level of safe, reliable, punctual and courteous service that you have come to expect and deserve.

We are eternally grateful to our growing core of loyal customers that have supported and promoted us since inception, and we assure you of our continued commitment and loyalty to you. We ask for your understanding and patience in this troubling and challenging period in which we will remain true to our guiding principles of safety, customer satisfaction and economic sustainability, which will guide us through this process.
We are expecting that a resolution to the immediate challenges will be worked out in the weeks ahead and we will be in a position to resume operations in the shortest possible timeframe.

Again, we thank you for your patience and understanding as we work through the challenges that have been thrust upon as we emerge stronger and more resilient.

Sincerely,

Christopher Read
Managing Director

Strangely enough, on the 12 February the airline posted this cryptic message on their Facebook page:

Good Afternoon Everyone,
We are currently experiencing technical issues regarding making bookings. You may find that you are unable to book flights on our website beyond February 17th; depending on your route. If this occurs please contact the Reservation Office (1-876-923-0371) to assist with further details. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and thank you for your patience as we try to have the issue rectified.

Norman Manley International Airport to be privatised within a year

It is expected to take another year before the Norman Manley International Airport is placed under private management.
Dr. Omar Davies, Minister of Transport, Works and Housing, said the undertaking is being targeted for implementation under a Public/Private Partnership (PPP) agreement. The process is scheduled for completion by March 2014.

Dr. Davies said a 2004 Capital Development Master Plan, which is currently being updated, will guide the process. This undertaking will include extension and widening of the runway, establishment of runway end safety areas in line with International Civil Aviation Organization and Jamaica Civil Aviation Authority safety standards.

The Sangster International Airport in Montego Bay was placed under a similar arrangement in 2003.

more information available at: http://rjrnewsonline.com/local/norma...ort-to-be-privatised-within-a-year


User currently offlineInbound From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2001, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 21970 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 15):
Are you sure? B737-700 seems to have the range.

Range yes, but the payload/capacity will be low for that amount of fuel required and on a 7400' runway.



Maintain own separation with terrain!
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 21910 times:

Quoting Inbound (Reply 19):
but the payload/capacity will be low for that amount of fuel required and on a 7400' runway.

POA runway is 7481ft long.
POA (29°59'40"S 51°10'17"W) PTY (09°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) 321° (NW) 3277 mi
From www.gcmap.com
But I've no clue if CM actually have to take-off its B737-700 weigh-restricted from MVD or POA to PTY, I would guess no.
However, MVD and POA do have the temperature at take-off time on their side when compared to tropical GEO.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 21873 times:

Quoting Inbound (Reply 13):



The YYZ route seems over served now that BW has added capacity and Westjet has jumped in with a aggressive daily service into POS. Capacity seeme to be up by almost 75%. What will be the fallout as I cannot imagine that either carrier will want to have too many empty seats indefinitely.

Westjet has been having discussions with the Guyana govt. As have B6. I guess the notion is if/when they get suitable planes they will see if GEO makes sense.

I know that the GY govt is very embarrassed by the departure of DL. Is currently spending lots of media time refuting every argument about why DL withdrew service. This includes denying that DL has seen detariorating loads. Apparently they have not, based on Guyana stats. But deteriorating yields they definitely anticipate now they they have to competewith BW for those who insist on nonstop flights.

There was also some scandal involving DL personnel searching the former president, before he was allowed to board.

We will see what they dig up. They claim that they wil not offer any revenue subsidy, or waive taxes on fuel or landing fees Dont know if DL was insisting on this. DL may have them over a barrel so you may well not see the last of them into GEO, if they can force concessions out of the GY govt.

The local travel agents are making a lot of noise about .not having enough seats to sell for the busy Jul/Aug perod. I assume that BW will have an aggressive summer schedule featuring a daily 767 nonstop, because that is what it will take to fill the gap.


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 21866 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 20):

POA runway is 7481ft long.
POA (29°59'40"S 51°10'17"W) PTY (09°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) 321° (NW) 3277 mi
From www.gcmap.com
But I've no clue if CM actually have to take-off its B737-700 weigh-restricted from MVD or POA to PTY, I would guess no.
However, MVD and POA do have the temperature at take-off time on their side when compared to tropical GEO.

Remember you have to add fuel not only for the flight, but any headwinds enroute, atc delays, instrument approaches, alternate airport (which would be POS in this case). WS 73G's seat only 136. Any restricted weight will cut the amount of pax they can carry on that flight. Less pax means a lower yield for that flight. So yes, while the 73G can probably make the trip, its just not worth the hassle. Same story for B6 and their A320's. It's just not worth it.



You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 21854 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 22):

Any word yet on who will fill the gap in just over a month into SJU from SKB/ANU/DOM. I assume that LI is the only option. I note that they have already started a 4X/week ANU/SKB/SXM flight, in addition to the existing daily ANU SJU service.


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2387 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 21845 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 23):

It was noted in another thread that seaborne would take up SJU- DOM, FDF and PTP using Saab 340 aircraft:

http://www.seaborneairlines.com/wp-c...ads/SAL-DOMPTP-Feb-19-Engl-Spa.pdf

No word on any others yet



Reality be Rent. Synapse, break! Vanishment, This World!
User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day ago) and read 21926 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 23):
Any word yet on who will fill the gap in just over a month into SJU from SKB/ANU/DOM. I assume that LI is the only option. I note that they have already started a 4X/week ANU/SKB/SXM flight, in addition to the existing daily ANU SJU service.

That additional flight has been around since last year, about late Nov if i remember correctly. Back then it was routed ANU/SXM/EIS/SJU. The next few months will be hectic for LI as ATR training should commence in March. IMO, LI will not be in that good of a position to absorb any slack till summer....at best.



You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (1 year 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 21905 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 16):
I was on the LCE flight, out of 50 pax, 20 were on FUNTRIP, local travel agents of GCM trying to promote the destination for KX, they wanted to film me etc... WTF? I had to ruuuush to the ferry boat sorry, maybe next tiiime LOL!

What they need to do is to move the service to Belize where there actually some pax willing to pay for J class tickets to GCM and then have Tropic Air move their pax LCE/RTB/SAP/FRS-BZE for them
    



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 21886 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 25):

That additional LI route should absorb any seat shortage into SJU a smost of AE's passengers will move over to the MIA route, so only O&D traffic will travel to SJU from SKB and ANU. This with DOM being served by Seaborne. AA has already added additional MIA SKB capacity.


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (1 year 7 months 2 hours ago) and read 21789 times:

Let me publicly welcome our Roving Brazilian and trip reporter, Andre Franca to Belize! enjoy your stay, the weather looks to be great!


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21519 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 28):

Thank you so much!!! I'm really having fun here in caye caulker!  


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21142 times:

Tropic Air has announced service start date from BZE to CUN

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tropic-Air-Belize/340653164591

So what's next for them? GCM, RTB?



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently onlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21147 times:

DAE hires new Chief Commercial Officer

"DAE has added to its top management team, Carlos Tait, as Chief Commercial Officer. Mr Tait is an experienced airline executive and for over 25 years has served in executive positions at American Airlines"
http://www.curacaochronicle.com/avia...ires-new-chief-commercial-officer/

Additional MD83 Aircraft for DAE
"DAE will receive an additional MD83. This will be the third MD83 from Falcon Air. The aircraft bearing registration number N307 has an interior which has been modified with big overhead bins and all seats freshly refurbished with blue leather seat covers. It will arrive in Hato first week of March."
http://www.curacaochronicle.com/avia.../additional-md83-aircraft-for-dae/

[Guyana] CJIA earns $1,094M in 2012
"Cheddi Jagan International Air-port (CJIA) Chief Executive Officer Ramesh Ghir has announced that the airport’s income for 2012 amounted to $1.094 billion as compared to $748 million collected in 2011. This $346 million or 46 per cent increase was as a result of additional rental/concession fees and passenger service charges.
Of the income collected, $424 million was transferred to the Consolidated Fund, 33 per cent more than the $319 million that was transferred in 2011, while expenditure amounted to $462 million as compared to the $365 million spent in 2011.
http://gina.gov.gy/wp/?p=5884



Airport CEO on NavCom Fee Collection
"Antigua St. John's - The issue of who collects what in relation to the contested NavCom Fees that Antigua & Barbuda pays directly to the Eastern Caribbean Civil Aviation Authority (ECCAA) has been somewhat clarified, with Airport CEO Stanley Smith attempting to put the matter to rest earlier this week."

Read more: http://www.caribarena.com/antigua/ne...-fee-collection.html#ixzz2M2mnyGeb

[Edited 2013-02-26 14:00:24]


All ah we is one family
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 21054 times:

Rumors abound of a soon to be announced

3Xweekly
MIA-GEO B738
MIA-PBM B738



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineBE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20965 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 32):
3Xweekly
MIA-GEO B738
MIA-PBM B738

Abound where when, who??
Direct? Any clue as to timing?
Quit teasing me!!!
A direct PBM-MIA connection, even 3X, would make life so much easier for travelling to anywhere in USA / Canada. While there are several workable connections, the loss of 3 or 4 hours enroute makes it a really long day if you are travelling beyond MIA, JFK, or YYZ.
Another direct to GEO wouldn't hurt either, just to keep BW honest. (My assumption is that it must be either PY getting 738's which we haven't heard of, or more likely a US based 738 operator if they can get direct routing to both GEO and PBM, so AA?)



Tower, Affirmitive, gear is down and welded
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 34, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 20947 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 32):
Rumors abound of a soon to be announced

3Xweekly
MIA-GEO B738
MIA-PBM B738

Sorry I should have said AA....there is another thread on it now....



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 35, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20905 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 34):
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 32):
Rumors abound of a soon to be announced

3Xweekly
MIA-GEO B738
MIA-PBM B738

Sorry I should have said AA....there is another thread on it now....

I think PY will suffer from these direct flights, especially on the PBM-AUA-MIA flight. The The U.S. immigration check in AUA to me doesn't outway the nonstop flight from MIA and I think many people will chose this over the AUA stop, probably even locals. In any case good luck to AA on these new routes.

AA used their 738 with the new livery to CUR on one of their first international flights. When seen in person the new livery is very nice (see my photo below):



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User currently offlineBigMac From Suriname, joined Nov 2003, 319 posts, RR: 9
Reply 36, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 20856 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 32):
Rumors abound of a soon to be announced

3Xweekly
MIA-GEO B738
MIA-PBM B738

MIA-PBM with a B738 is suicide... Route won't last a month... PBM is such a small market and we already have DAE, Insel Air, PY, and BW, though none are direct... I'm pretty sure AA will charge a lot.
MIA-GEO will probably do very good though... However, AA doesn't give a meal and you will probably have to pay for a 2nd checked bag. A problem on the PY 733 is that the bins are on the small side which is not a problem on AA or BW B738's.

I flew PY421 (PBM-GEO-MIA) (the President of Guyana was on this flight) and PY422 (MIA-GEO-PBM) last week. From/to GEO PY421 was completely full, however PY422 was probably 75% full. From/to PBM there were only 30-35 pax...

Quoting guyanam (Reply 7):
What will PY use its 3rd 737 for? Given that Surinam is poorly integrated into the neighboring countries there are only but so mnay places that they can serve, and it appears as if the existing fleet meets that need.

Currently one 737 is used almost exclusively for PBM-XXX-MIA. The other is used for CAY, BEL, CUR, POS.
The third 737 will probably be used on a new route to Fortaleza. Other possible destinations are Santo Domingo and Panama.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 7):
If PY misses the opportunity to do a GEO JFK route now they might not get another chance.

I agree with you on this.


Below are some pics of my meals (a plus when flying PY) on PY421 and PY 422 last week.

PY421 (GEO-MIA)


Contents (chicken with yellow rice)


PY422 (MIA-GEO)


Contents (chicken with yellow rice)


In comparison this is what you get on BW484 (POS-MIA) which is almost inedible



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 37, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 20820 times:

Quoting BigMac (Reply 36):
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 32):
Rumors abound of a soon to be announced

3Xweekly
MIA-GEO B738
MIA-PBM B738

MIA-PBM with a B738 is suicide... Route won't last a month... PBM is such a small market and we already have DAE, Insel Air, PY, and BW, though none are direct... I'm pretty sure AA will charge a lot.

AA can stimulate tourism to Surinam as they have a much bigger market they serve from the U.S. (connecting possibilities). Surinam currently doesn't have any direct flight to the U.S., how is this going to be suicide within a month? AA is known for high fares, just as their flights to CUR but still all flights are full and we have daily flights from MIA.

Quoting BigMac (Reply 36):
Quoting guyanam (Reply 7):
What will PY use its 3rd 737 for? Given that Surinam is poorly integrated into the neighboring countries there are only but so mnay places that they can serve, and it appears as if the existing fleet meets that need.

Currently one 737 is used almost exclusively for PBM-XXX-MIA. The other is used for CAY, BEL, CUR, POS.
The third 737 will probably be used on a new route to Fortaleza. Other possible destinations are Santo Domingo and Panama.

As was mentioned by guyanam, their current fleet is big enough to do all the flights they do. Their flight to CUR stays here the entire day before it heads back so they can better utilize their 733 fleet before adding a third aircraft.

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 20822 times:

Quoting BigMac (Reply 36):

AAs MIA GEO will just about squash PYs GEO MIA service as AA offers connection to points within the USA. Many who use this flight travel beyond MIA and as AA is the most likely domestic connector they will get the business.

BW will also suffer, and no doubt already are with the PY service, though the POS GEO sector allows connections from its LGW, and its intra Caribbean routes.

Based on your numbers do not see how a MIA PBM can work. Guess PY will have to go back to its 3X via AUA and serve GEO out of JFK instead, when it acquires suitable planes.

The GY govt will be very happy as they are feeling quite embarrassed about the loss of DL.

[Edited 2013-02-27 10:37:14]

User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20780 times:

Quoting BigMac (Reply 36):
Currently one 737 is used almost exclusively for PBM-XXX-MIA. The other is used for CAY, BEL, CUR, POS.
The third 737 will probably be used on a new route to Fortaleza. Other possible destinations are Santo Domingo and Panama.

I don't see that much potential for PBM-SDQ unless it's flown via CUR/SXM, or has an HAV or even KIN tag-on.
If PY wants to return to PTY it'll be mostly welcome, just hope PY route doesn't go the same way GCM-PTY.
Sure CM should be the carrier of choice for both possible PBM-PTY and GEO-PTY.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 40, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20775 times:

How is the PTY-CUR route doing so far?

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 20682 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 39):

I still think that PY is being over ambitious and that its plans for route developiment into non traditional markets might well hurt them. I do not know that Suriname is able to absorb a loss making carrier as T&T can.

Maybe the same can be said about DAE (its expansion into PBM being an example) but I leave it to A388 to offer an opinion on that. From what I can see there are way too many seats into PBM from other parts of the Caribbean. If AA does start service these carriers will lose their MIA originating passengers as they all require a stop, and often an aircraft change.

Some one raised the issue of PYs small cabin bins. Given that some try to avoid checking bags if they can, especially in these drug infested airports like GEO, and maybe PBM and POS, that part discourages some from giving them a try.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 42, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 20510 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 41):
but I leave it to A388 to offer an opinion on that. From what I can see there are way too many seats into PBM from other parts of the Caribbean

With regards to the PBM route, I also think there are too many seats but I think DAE is just trying to be competitive and take a risk here. Looking at Insel Air and DAE in general I think it's a matter of "survival of the fittest". Time will tell who will come out as the winner if applicable. If they can operate side by side as they have done for several years now I am happy for both of them and wish them both good luck.

A388


User currently offlineBigMac From Suriname, joined Nov 2003, 319 posts, RR: 9
Reply 43, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 20492 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 37):
AA can stimulate tourism to Surinam as they have a much bigger market they serve from the U.S. (connecting possibilities). Surinam currently doesn't have any direct flight to the U.S., how is this going to be suicide within a month? AA is known for high fares, just as their flights to CUR but still all flights are full and we have daily flights from MIA.

Of course AA can stimulate tourism to Surinam, but how much (probably only a handful). How many "real" tourists (people who have no relation with Guyana) fly DL's JFK-GEO? KL is a well known airline all over the world but they aren't bringing a lot (almost none) of "real" tourists to Surinam.
I don't think you can compare the PBM market to CUR. CUR has beaches, PBM has... forests?
FYI currently PBM-XXX-MIA costs averages around $650 (with all carriers), in high season (holidays) it's usually between $800-$1200.

Quoting A388 (Reply 37):
As was mentioned by guyanam, their current fleet is big enough to do all the flights they do. Their flight to CUR stays here the entire day before it heads back so they can better utilize their 733 fleet before adding a third aircraft.

Indeed, PY could utilize their aircraft in CUR better (by flying to SXM, PTY, SDQ to name a few).

Quoting guyanam (Reply 38):
AAs MIA GEO will just about squash PYs GEO MIA service as AA offers connection to points within the USA. Many who use this flight travel beyond MIA and as AA is the most likely domestic connector they will get the business.

To be honest I think brand name plays a bigger part than a connection. Connecting in MIA (or the USA in general) with AA (DL, UA, B6, etc), you still have to go through US immigration, get you luggage, go through customs, and drop off you luggage.
Even if a person would only fly GEO-MIA they would probably still take AA over PY just because AA is a recognized/big/US airline (even if they knew they would have to pay more, pay for their 2nd bag, get worse service and get no free meal).

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 39):
I don't see that much potential for PBM-SDQ unless it's flown via CUR/SXM, or has an HAV or even KIN tag-on.
If PY wants to return to PTY it'll be mostly welcome, just hope PY route doesn't go the same way GCM-PTY.
Sure CM should be the carrier of choice for both possible PBM-PTY and GEO-PTY.

Exactly, PBM-SDQ/GCM/PTY will do worse than PBM-GEO. SDQ/GCM/PTY will have to be tacked on to GEO/POS/CUR



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 44, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20456 times:

Quoting BigMac (Reply 43):
Of course AA can stimulate tourism to Surinam, but how much (probably only a handful). How many "real" tourists (people who have no relation with Guyana) fly DL's JFK-GEO? KL is a well known airline all over the world but they aren't bringing a lot (almost none) of "real" tourists to Surinam.
I don't think you can compare the PBM market to CUR. CUR has beaches, PBM has... forests?
FYI currently PBM-XXX-MIA costs averages around $650 (with all carriers), in high season (holidays) it's usually between $800-$1200.

Let's leave it to time to see how succesful AA will be. It is clear that you have your own opinion. If it works, it works. If it doesn't work, they will leave. As was mentioned before as well, with AA entering the market I also see PY suffering. AA is popular to CUR among locals as well so it's not that only foreigners chose to fly non-local airlines, local people also do. The fact that you don't get a meal on board isn't the deciding factor nowadays. Don't forget that you win time by flying nonstop PBM-MIA and vice versa compared to a PBM-AUA-MIA routing.

Quoting BigMac (Reply 43):
Indeed, PY could utilize their aircraft in CUR better (by flying to SXM, PTY, SDQ to name a few).

That's an option yes.

A388


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20452 times:

Quoting BigMac (Reply 43):
Indeed, PY could utilize their aircraft in CUR better (by flying to SXM, PTY, SDQ to name a few).

If it's because CUR O/D demands tag-on to SXM, SDQ, PAP, KIN or HAV may make more sense, not sure about SJU.
If CM is already in the CUR-PTY route, CUR-PTY is too thin to be able to support another airline.

What kind of bilateral Suriname has with Venezuela, if it does have any?
Could PY fly PBM-CUR-CCS-PTY?



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 46, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 20262 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 45):
What kind of bilateral Suriname has with Venezuela, if it does have any?
Could PY fly PBM-CUR-CCS-PTY?

That would also require approval from CUR and Venezuela and to my knowledge the bilateral between CUR and Venezuela will not allow PY to fly the CUR-CCS route.

A388


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 20051 times:

WestJet flights to continue through low season

St. John’s Antigua- Canadian carrier WestJet Airlines has confirmed it will continue its service from Toronto to Antigua throughout the summer – albeit with fewer flights.
WestJet currently flies every Wednesday and Sunday from Toronto’s Pearson International Airport to VC Bird International Airport.
Between May 4 and October 26, it will reduce its flight schedule from twice to once weekly, flying into Antigua every Saturday. However, the airline will utilise its larger 174-seat Boeing 737-800 series aircraft during the summer months, apart from September, when it will use its smaller 136-seat plane.
WestJet has proved a popular low-cost option between the countries since it began in late October last year.
Tourism Minister John Maginley said, “Greater accessibility to the destination has proven to be beneficial for Canadian travellers, and the market has responded positively.
“Reduced fare options from Canada during the summer is a welcome strategy that will encourage more visitors during the traditionally slower months, and will be advantageous to all stakeholders, as well as events happening on-island during that time.”
In 2012, there was an eight per cent growth in the number of Canadian tourists visiting Antigua & Barbuda by air.
Tourism Authority CEO Colin C James said, “Over the years we have seen the airlift out of the Canadian market increase and with this we have seen a direct correlation with growth from the market, which indicates continued interest in the destination from Canadian travellers; we plan to capitalise on this.”
WestJet’s summer operations will bring an overall additional 4,382 seats to and from Antigua and Toronto, on top of the 7,200 seats the airline brought during the 2012/2013 winter season.

http://www.antiguaobserver.com/?p=88724



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2387 posts, RR: 1
Reply 48, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 20049 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 47):
Between May 4 and October 26, it will reduce its flight schedule from twice to once weekly, flying into Antigua every Saturday.

Oh great... Another Airline to join the ANU Saturday rush...



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User currently onlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 20059 times:

Scandinavian travelers now have easier access to Tobago with the introduction of a charter service from several Scandinavian cities directly to the ANR Robinson International Airport.
The service was officially launched at the Grand Travel Awards in Stockholm on February 13 and it will run for three winter seasons starting in December.

This new airlift is the result of months of negotiations between the Division of Tourism and Transportation of the Tobago House of Assembly (THA) and Kuoni/Apollo, a Scandinavian-based tour operator.

The charter will operate weekly out of Stockholm and every second week from Copenhagen, with connecting flights in both Norway and Finland. The airline carrier, Novair, will use an A-330 aircraft, offering the comfort of 24 business class and 261 economy seats.

Since the service commenced bookings on February 14 and 21 in Sweden and Denmark respectively, 160 seats were reserved after the first week. Aided by €300,000 in airlift support, as well as €100,000 in marketing support from the THA, it is being heavily promoted by Kuoni/Apollo.

The Scandinavian market is the third largest outbound travel market in Europe and it currently accounts for five per cent of Tobago’s international arrivals. It is anticipated that tourist arrivals from this region will increase by approximately 25 per cent.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/business/2...via-tobago-airlift-starts-december

I also heard that they are anticipating a deal for a winter YYZ service weekly, not sure what airline.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 47):
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 48):

Lol well its good for the industry in ANU, I also saw they will have MAN flights in the winter this year from Thomas Cook.



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2387 posts, RR: 1
Reply 50, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 20029 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 49):
Lol well its good for the industry in ANU

Never said it wasnt... Just that ANU is already jammed packed on a Saturday...

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 49):
I also saw they will have MAN flights in the winter this year from Thomas Cook.

its about time this route restarted! would have preferred if VS had done it though.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 19953 times:

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Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 50):

The issue is can ANU accommodate all these passengers arriving Sat mid afternoon? Its a small airport.

Maybe Su might have been a better day?


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 19974 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 51):

Sat and Sun are equally busy days. Uncomfortable first and last impression of ANU for the pax, but they'll survive. All depends on what arrival and departure times WS chooses. For some odd reason most flights cram into ANU between 1 and 3.



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User currently offlineCaymanair From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2004, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 19832 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 52):
Sat and Sun are equally busy days. Uncomfortable first and last impression of ANU for the pax, but they'll survive. All depends on what arrival and departure times WS chooses. For some odd reason most flights cram into ANU between 1 and 3.

I think you'll find that to be the case at most Caribbean airports where tourists make up the bulk of passengers. Major airlines reduce their schedules by as much as 40% on a Saturday and maybe 30% on a Sunday because of the drop in business traffic (which is what really drives travel demand). That spare capacity can be used on leisure routes because those passengers are actually more likely to want to fly on a weekend than midweek. They are also more flexible. And because these routes aren't choc full of competition passengers rarely have a choice anyway. The more business travelers a route enjoys and the more competition there is the more likely it is that it will also be served mid week.

The timing (between 1 and 3) is also geared to tourists. Make the most of your first and last vacation day (arrive as soon as you can check in to a hotel, depart so that you can still spend the morning on he beach). The departure and arrival times also tend to allow a few connections at both ends.


User currently offlineN312RM From Cayman Islands, joined Mar 2012, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 19765 times:
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Quoting Caymanair (Reply 10):
Its not puzzling at all. They didn't promote the flight, it was not timed for connections, there weren't enough frequencies, and the build up time was mere weeks. They also got none of the business traffic because they didn't give businesses time to prepare for the non-stops and they didn't organise the cooperative contracts with health providers to carry medical traffic. If they do it properly, it will do well.

All valid points, plus the delays in KX getting their IOSA certification, which precluded any sort of code share with CM.

I understand that the return of DFW in May will be a year round service.


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 19653 times:

MINI trip repooorrrrrt mini trip repoooort!

Firstly I would like to say TAHNK YOU VERY MUCH! Yellowtail or Anthony! for your support and help and for keeping me informed about Belize and the visa waiver for Brazilians!

I had a great time there! so many things to do! I am already telling all my friends about the country and its beauty!

GUYS GO BELIZE you won't regreat!

Flying: Tropic Airlines Belize
Plane: Caravan
SAP to BZE and from BZE to FRS in Guatemala!

Flights on time! ground crew very polite, professional and smiling which is very important nowadays on the airline industry!



User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 56, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 19520 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 55):
MINI trip repooorrrrrt mini trip repoooort!

Glad you had fun!



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2387 posts, RR: 1
Reply 57, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19524 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 55):

Nice Photos Andrefranca!

Did some spotting at MAN airport on Saturday, the daily EK A380 flight got stuck on the runway (lost its steering) and had to be towed off, was quite interesting, here's some photos:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8519/8525019333_69093fc8f7_b.jpg
P1000484 by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8372/8526127768_3cdacec32e_b.jpg
P1000485 by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8389/8524877375_8a296f09f0_b.jpg
P1000493 by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8088/8524992569_3063849a72_b.jpg
P1000498 by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8370/8524976281_1f0c3cd345_b.jpg
P1000600 by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8240/8524970543_1b2736d6f4_b.jpg
P1000601 by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8252/8524950795_03e4525c3c_b.jpg
P1000607 by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr

These are probably the best ones from saturday:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8509/8524912613_e7d135cc40_b.jpg
P1000685 by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8244/8524929449_289b4b9d4e_b.jpg
P1000687 by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8236/8526036664_047d873657_b.jpg
P1000688 by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr

A380 being towed to the stand:

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/549370_10151528365411468_1967592328_n.jpg

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/295679_10151528365601468_71213382_n.jpg

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/13145_10151528367731468_623615760_n.jpg

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/535544_10151528369166468_141665975_n.jpg

Some videos:
http://youtu.be/VO2jw56Ufus

http://youtu.be/-VWWAY7iRpc

http://youtu.be/yRBux0sMVL8

http://youtu.be/faWAwqZtDMI


Hope you guys like them  



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 58, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 19436 times:

Nice photos 817Dreamliiner, it would be better to have the sun behind your back when spotting but that's just for the ones who want to upload the photos to the web. For a hobby that doesn't matter much I guess. It actually reminds me of myself of the days I just started spotting and didn't know anything about aircraft being backlit. In any case, I wish I could be there taking some photos myself 

A388


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 59, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 19429 times:

Nice photos 817Dreamliiner, it would be better to have the sun behind your back when spotting but that's just for the ones who want to upload the photos to the web. For a hobby that doesn't matter much I guess. It actually reminds me of myself of the days I just started spotting and didn't know anything about aircraft being backlit. In any case, I wish I could be there taking some photos myself 

A388


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2387 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 19400 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 58):

Yes I know what you mean with the sun. I guess you can only get good ones in the afternoon, during the morning the sun is directly in front of you so getting decent photos is almost impossible. But if you take pictures towards the terminal you can get some decent ones. Ill be going again next month for the a.net meet, so more photos then  



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 61, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 19378 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 60):
Yes I know what you mean with the sun. I guess you can only get good ones in the afternoon, during the morning the sun is directly in front of you so getting decent photos is almost impossible. But if you take pictures towards the terminal you can get some decent ones. Ill be going again next month for the a.net meet, so more photos then

I found a photo of a spotting location that seems to be on the opposite side of the terminal building that is great for morning photography (see below photo):


http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7354987&nseq=4


Maybe this helps? In any case, great that you have a.net meetings. We don't know about that in the Caribbean.

Cheers,

A388


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2387 posts, RR: 1
Reply 62, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 19348 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 61):
I found a photo of a spotting location that seems to be on the opposite side of the terminal building that is great for morning photography (see below photo):


http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7354987&nseq=4


Thanks, ive always wondered about the other spotting locations, the one you linked looks like a really good spot, however im limited to public transportation at the moment (no car). So im pretty much limited to the viewing park for the time being, but ill probably venture there one day  
Quoting A388 (Reply 61):
Maybe this helps? In any case, great that you have a.net meetings. We don't know about that in the Caribbean.

Well, this will be my first A.net meet, and im really looking forward to it . However there's no reason we cant have one in the Caribbean   id actually like that, but I guess something like that would have to be organised months in advance...



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 63, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 19344 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 62):
Thanks, ive always wondered about the other spotting locations, the one you linked looks like a really good spot, however im limited to public transportation at the moment (no car). So im pretty much limited to the viewing park for the time being, but ill probably venture there one day

Okay I understand that. In this case it will be good to go to that a.net meeting. You will meet other spotters who might be able to pick you up to go spotting "on the other side" 
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 62):
Well, this will be my first A.net meet, and im really looking forward to it . However there's no reason we cant have one in the Caribbean id actually like that, but I guess something like that would have to be organised months in advance...

Sounds like a nice idea, even though I will not be able to attend such a meeting due to me being a family man now  

Cheers,

A388


User currently onlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 64, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 19087 times:

Grenada PM: CAL may get flag carrier status
"Newly sworn-in Prime Minister of Grenada Dr Keith Mitchell has hinted Caribbean Airlines Limited (CAL) may be granted flag carrier status by his government soon. The issue came up Sunday night at Piarco International Airport during informal talks with Rabindra Moonan, chairman of Caribbean Airlines, as both men discussed the role the airline could play in deepening relations between Grenada and T&T, moreso as it related to increasing airlift into Trinidad’s neighbour to the north."
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2013-...pm-cal-may-get-flag-carrier-status

Cayman Airways’ Dallas flights start 25 May
"Cayman Airways, the national flag carrier of the Cayman Islands, has recently advised customers that the re-launch of the Dallas/Fort Worth route will be postponed from 10 April until 25 May, in order 
to adjust capacity to forecasted demand. "
http://www.compasscayman.com/caycomp...ways--Dallas-flights-start-25-May/

SXM Airport Sets up Dozen Self-Service Check-in Kiosks for Passengers
"As part of its program to improve service, cut down on long lines at check-in counters, and enhance passenger experience, Princess Juliana International Airport (SXM), has installed 12 self-service check-in kiosks or Common Use Self Service (CUSS) kiosks. Eleven of the check-in kiosks are in the Departure Hall and one in the Transit Area.
According to Larry Donker, Director of Operations at PJIAE, the program began some two years ago, however, in the last couple of days alone, the use of these kiosks has grown tremendously by passengers.
“The airlines themselves are very happy to promote the use of these kiosks by their passengers because it reduces the long lines at the counters and also the check-in time,” Donker explained.
Besides, he noted, modern passengers like to feel more empowered to check-in themselves.
SXM Airport and the airlines are responding to passengers’ wishes with these new kiosks by providing more self-service options, Donker said.
The installation of a series of Common Use Self Service (CUSS) kiosks will allow passengers to perform an automatic check-in, cutting down on check-in time by more than half for passengers with check-in luggage and offering an even quicker option for those without any check-in luggage, he added."
http://www.sknvibes.com/news/newsdetails.cfm/70441

JetBlue to fly to San Juan from Chicago
"JetBlue will launch nonstop service from Chicago O'Hare to San Juan on Nov. 20, offering one daily roundtrip on an Airbus A320.
The carrier also serves Chicago from New York and Boston.
JetBlue offers service to San Juan from 10 U.S. gateways as well as inter-island flights from San Juan to St. Maarten, Santo Domingo, St. Thomas and St. Croix.
Currently, American Airlines is the only airline flying nonstop between Chicago O'Hare and San Juan."
http://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-N...e-to-fly-to-San-Juan-from-Chicago/



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 65, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 19063 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 63):
Sounds like a nice idea, even though I will not be able to attend such a meeting due to me being a family man now  

I vote for having it in BZE.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 66, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18849 times:

Hey guys,

I just realized I made the first photo of the 747 passing over Mahoo Beach from the Mahoo Beach bar. I took the picture back in 1996 and so far it has been viewed by almost 1,5 million people!!! I think it is one of the most viewed photos on airliners.net. See my photo in below link:



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Photo © Roger Cannegieter - Curacao Aviation Photography




Let's not talk about the photo quality as we were still in the non-digital world back than 

Cheers,

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 67, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 18794 times:

Any one knows how BW is doing on the LGW POS route? By now they should have fully established themselves so its time to figure out if this route is viable or not.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 68, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 18621 times:

Hello guys,

My night photo of AA's newly painted 737 is now on the site as well:



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Photo © Roger Cannegieter - Curacao Aviation Photography




This is also the first photo on this website of the new AA livery on the 737 in operation at night.

Hope you like it.


A388


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 69, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 18296 times:

Dutch Antilles Express received their first ATR72 this past weekend. See my photo in below link:



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Photo © Roger Cannegieter - Curacao Aviation Photography




The pilots did a fly-by before landing which is when I took the photo.


Cheers,

A388


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17980 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 64):
"Newly sworn-in Prime Minister of Grenada Dr Keith Mitchell has hinted Caribbean Airlines Limited (CAL) may be granted flag carrier status by his government soon. The issue came up Sunday night at Piarco International Airport during informal talks with Rabindra Moonan, chairman of Caribbean Airlines, as both men discussed the role the airline could play in deepening relations between Grenada and T&T, moreso as it related to increasing airlift into Trinidad’s neighbour to the north."

They seem to be desperate for airlift?

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 64):
JetBlue to fly to San Juan from Chicago
"JetBlue will launch nonstop service from Chicago O'Hare to San Juan on Nov. 20, offering one daily roundtrip on an Airbus A320.

dammm too far away... won't be using them!  


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 71, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 17707 times:

LIAT introduces Dominica / San Juan direct service


ST. JOHN’S, Antigua, March 15, 2013 – LIAT is pleased to announce the commencement of its direct Dominica/San Juan and San Juan/Dominica services effective April 4, 2013.

LI 560 is scheduled to depart Dominica at 10:00 am daily; arriving San Juan at 11:55 am; while LI 565 is scheduled to depart San Juan at 3:00 pm daily for arrival into Dominica at 4:45 pm.

These new services illustrate LIAT’s commitment to the travelling public of Dominica and the wider region.

These flights operate at an opportune time for passengers making connections via Puerto Rico, to travel to and from Dominica seamlessly.

Meanwhile, LI 500 and LI 501 will have a new routing effective April 4, 2013 as follows:

LI 500 departing Antigua at 11:00 am and arriving St. Maarten at 11:40 am
LI 500 departing St. Maarten at 12:00 noon and arriving Santo Domingo at 1:30 pm
LI 501 departing Santo Domingo at 2:30 pm and arriving St. Maarten at 4:00 pm
LI 501 departing St. Maarten at 4:30 pm and arriving Antigua at 5:00 pm

With this new routing, LIAT now offers a non-stop service between St. Maarten and the Dominican Republic. It also offers the opportunity for passengers travelling from the BVI to make a seamless connection to the Dominican Republic via St. Maarten.

LIAT also recently began non-stop services between St. Maarten and San Juan, Puerto Rico

http://www.liat.com/navSource.html?page_id=701



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User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1880 posts, RR: 6
Reply 72, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 17409 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 69):
Dutch Antilles Express received their first ATR72 this past weekend. See my photo in below link:

The pilots did a fly-by before landing which is when I took the photo.

Did you know the new PJ-registration? Is it PJ-DAK?


User currently onlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 73, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 17030 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 67):
Any one knows how BW is doing on the LGW POS route? By now they should have fully established themselves so its time to figure out if this route is viable or not.

According to my sources, CAL has serious problems that are coming from the decisions made by the last chairman, and the inability of the current management and board to fix the situation.

LGW has some decent loads, but that's all that it is, decent. The cost of adding a third a/c type is causing a cash flow problem with the airline and now the downsizing of flights across the board has seen a number of a/c being parked on a regular basis.

The next issue is the cost of the ridiculous amounts of wet leasing that was going on with the airline last year, which has cause significant loses. Instead of starting LGW when their own a/c and crew were fully available, the airline has embarked in costly spending to meet the needs of egos on the current administration.

Let's just say that this administration took a growing, highly capitalized airline and turned it into another basket case in less than 2 years. They have placed an incompetent board at the airline to feed their friends from the public trough, and the airline's operations and bottom line is being affected.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 74, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 16905 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 73):
Let's just say that this administration took a growing, highly capitalized airline and turned it into another basket case in less than 2 years. They have placed an incompetent board at the airline to feed their friends from the public trough, and the airline's operations and bottom line is being affected.

Anybody taking bets how long Caribbean Airlines will remain getting hurt until something major will happen to them?



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User currently offlinewindian425 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 16889 times:

TUI will start long-haul charter services from Hamburg to the Dominican Republic, Mexico and Barbados from November 2013.
A B767-300 will fly twice weekly from Hamburg to both Punta Cana and Cancun. Another flight land at Barbados and La Romana in the Dominican Republic on alternate weeks. TUI Deutschland CEO Christian Clemens said the full charter services from Hamburg reflect a strategic focus on long-haul. “Long-haul travel is the future,” he said. “We see great growth potential here and want to further expand our market share, currently around 15%.” Hamburg (HAM) was chosen for the new routes it currently has no non-stop long-haul flights to the Caribbean or Mexico, he added. Hamburg Airport CEO Michael Eggenschwiler said 50,000 passengers already travel from Hamburg to the Caribbean on connecting flights. “With the new direct services, this volume of passengers is certain to increase significantly,” he said. The new services from Hamburg add 35,000 seats to the northern German market over the winter season, starting in November 2013.
TUIfly will use a B767-300 from Dutch affiliate Arkefly on the new routes.


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1432 posts, RR: 1
Reply 76, posted (1 year 6 months 3 hours ago) and read 16703 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 74):
Anybody taking bets how long Caribbean Airlines will remain getting hurt until something major will happen to them?

Possibly another few months at the most. CAL is state-owned completely which makes it easy for the government to pump cash in, but that's the problem right there. C484 summarized the situation at hand perfectly. CAL is now in a similar situation as BWIA except it can get a lot worse. What else is also sinister from all appearances is that they are gearing up to blame all these misfortunes on KIN operations, which is completely erroneous. From what I've heard, some Jamaican cabin crew have already been laid off and further cuts are to be made in terms of personnel and aircraft.

It's amazing that these arrogant, ignorant, egotistic and self-serving bunch of persons (who are Trinis) have caused so much havoc and are looking to blame it on another nation's market dynamics. Completely pathetic.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 77, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 16648 times:

A little dickie bird in KIN tells me thatDL is restarting ATL-KIN in Dec?

[Edited 2013-03-22 18:40:07]


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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 78, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16594 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 77):

A little dickie bird in KIN tells me thatDL is restarting ATL-KIN in Dec?

Seems to be bookable now.....can a restart of POS be far behind?



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 79, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16503 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 77):
A little dickie bird in KIN tells me thatDL is restarting ATL-KIN in Dec?

Hope this time DL ATL-KIN schedule will be more fit to KIN O/D needs.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 78):
can a restart of POS be far behind

Red-eyes ATL-POS, morning POS-ATL?



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 80, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 16230 times:

LI will be operating a proving flight into Guyana's Ogle Airport on Tuesday (3/26). This flight will pave the way for scheduled passenger flights hopefully in the near future. The occasion also forms part of Guyana's 100 years of aviation celebrations.


Ogle Airport to accommodate Regional Class Aircraft soon

In a matter of days the Ogle International Airport will be certified as a Category 2C operation by the Civil Aviation Authority- bringing the dream alive of accommodating Regional Class Aircraft like the Turbo Prop, Dash 8s and ATRs flights operated by LIAT and Caribbean Airlines, as well as executive type class aircraft.
According to the airport’s Public Relations Officials, this certification will form part of the celebration of 100 years of aviation in Guyana. President Donald Ramotar will deliver the feature address on Tuesday.
Last May, the airport commissioned its extended runway that was built to facilitate this new development.
The Ogle Airport Development Programme received 1.5M Euros funding from the European Union to extend the runway by 2,200 feet almost doubling its original length. The runway is also 100 feet wide.
At the commissioning of that runway, Head of the European Union Robert Kopecký had stated that the Ogle International Airport connects Guyana to the rest of the region, which is the institutional precondition to becoming the ‘Brussels of the Caribbean’ and in a sense, the heart of regional integration.
According to the statement released to the media, as part of Tuesday’s certification a LIAT proving flight will land, for the first time, at the Airport at 1500hrs. This will precede the official occasion.
It was noted that the LIAT aircraft will depart at 1900hrs at the conclusion of the occasion, proving the Airport’s certification for commercial night time flights.
On November 5, 2001, Ogle Airport Inc (OAI) formed by a group of aviation pioneers and with the Government entered into a 25-year Lease Agreement for the management, operation and development of the airport. This lease agreement is renewable for two further periods of 25 years. OAI assumed management of the Airport on December 1, 2001.
OAI was given the mandate to develop the airport to comply with the requirements of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) involving a private investment of the shareholders of OAI of some US$3M.
The Airport gained its International Airport status in 2009 after the completion of its Phase I development. International scheduled passenger operations commenced from that date.
In the same year, Government and OAI signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) for the funding of the second phase of the development of the Airport with funding from a 2007 EU grant of 1.5M Euros.

http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/20...date-regional-class-aircraft-soon/



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 81, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16030 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 73):
Quoting BW424 (Reply 76):

While their incompetent management is clearly to be blamed, especially for rushing the LGW route, Clearly BW assuming JMs operations was a mistake. KIN is bleeding and BW is slashing services and all but conceding market leaership to B6.

Now with FlyJam on the scene their market share on the VFR segment is even more diluted. Early reports suggest that FJs meals are quite popular and some Jcans will support them.

Any bets that BW is gone from KIN by next year. Now look how much money was wasted on that venture. This not having anything to do with the current T&T govt or management, but was due to Patrick Manning's empire building fantasies.


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1432 posts, RR: 1
Reply 82, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15958 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 81):
Any bets that BW is gone from KIN by next year. Now look how much money was wasted on that venture. This not having anything to do with the current T&T govt or management, but was due to Patrick Manning's empire building fantasies.
Quoting guyanam (Reply 81):
Clearly BW assuming JMs operations was a mistake.

This is where you are wrong. People seem to have this delusional belief such as yourself that this was the brain child of the former GORTT PM. Reality is.....it was not. This was an opportunity looked at by BW's then consultants and board management. The board then recommended to the GORTT the opportunity that existed with KIN and the GORTT gave the go-ahead. Simple as that. You can vent about your "empire building" conspiracy theories, but the reality is that this was a clear cut business transcation looked at by business professionals. When BW initially walked away because the bid was originally given to NK, that is where the then GOJ PM met with the then GORTT PM to try and reignite the deal. But that is as far as it goes.

That said, I will not blame BW's misfortunes on KIN. KIN's impending failure is as a result of self-inflicted wounds due to poor management, planning and diplomacy on the current GORTT's part. Let's just say that if KIN was not a factor; I am 110% positive that BW would be in the same position that it is in today. Plain and simple. In any major takeover or merger, one needs their best hands on deck to see the merger through. Even with that, there are bound to have teething issues that will create short-term operational problems. Heck, UA took a beating with OTP and flight operations efficiency/reliability in their merger when they started cross-fleeting and encountered a crippling spare shortage. However, once such issues have been ironed out, the merged entity is quickly able to rebound with synergies achieved in a combined/unified base. The GORTT and board changed at the critical point of the deal being just approved, and with that change unfortunately resulted in a COMPLETE errosion over a very short period of time of all business intelligence, global reach, fleet planning and renewal expertise, professionalism, negotiating expertise, diplomacy, leadership, communication internally and to the media, succession planning and every other element that is pertinent to just running a successful business.

So, we have a situation where fully capable and hugely successful business tycoons/experts supported by a very competent management team with a defined vision initiated a complex deal that could only truly work with their input and handling; shifted overnight to a board of political party supporters that couldn't even lead a convienient store. This was coupled by a severely depleted experienced and talented management personnel with the full scale firings and resignations that persisted shortly after the board change This rendered the airline impotent in dealing with even the most mundane of duties and day to day challenges in the industry (eg. the bungling of the long-term financing for the ATRs resulting in cash payment). I will bet my bottom dollar that if the Lok Jack board and management team of early 2010 was still with the airline today, KIN would be a very different story.

That said, while the rest of the world moves forward, including our very own neighbours, Latin America (which is a distinct market leader in industry growth), we remain pinned down by our own incompetency, ignorance and arrogance. It was said here before and I'll say it again; KIN is integral to CAL achieving longterm sustainablility with little to no government owenership. It is important for the airline to build enough critical mass it if wants to effectively compete with foreign competitors. Apparently we still don't grasp this fundamental industry concept.



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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1432 posts, RR: 1
Reply 83, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15920 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 80):
LI will be operating a proving flight into Guyana's Ogle Airport on Tuesday (3/26). This flight will pave the way for scheduled passenger flights hopefully in the near future. The occasion also forms part of Guyana's 100 years of aviation celebrations.

Awesome to hear of this news. I know it's been long overdue! Any info on LI's ATR delivery schedule? Is is still on for May this year?



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 84, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 15836 times:

Quoting viasa (Reply 72):
Quoting A388 (Reply 69):
Dutch Antilles Express received their first ATR72 this past weekend. See my photo in below link:

The pilots did a fly-by before landing which is when I took the photo.


Did you know the new PJ-registration? Is it PJ-DAK?

Hello viasa, unfortunately I don't have the local registration of this aircraft yet.

A388


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 85, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15655 times:

Now I know you didn't write that long post on a smart phone


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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 86, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15511 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 82):

BW is slashing KIN, so where is this critical mass going to come from? Jamaicans do not support it, never did, and I am not sure what BW can do to change this, as clearly its service is more reliable than was JM in its last days, yet Jcans refuse them.

Indeed its just about handing over the market to B6. In fcat BW now has excess 738s, given that they are now down to only 2X/day into KIN on most days. Daily from JFK and FLL, with MBJ getting similar service, plus its 3X weekly from YYZ and NAS, and 2X from MCO. B6 and AAA now have MORE flights into KIN from the USA than does BW. Even Westjet is making serious inroads and AC has now taken over as the largest carrier on the YYZ KIN ruote.


Given JMs history of massive losses, and given that the Jamaica route is a very different animal from BWs normal markets, this was clearly risky.

BW is an order taker on routes where it has dominance, or where it enjoys support from its nationals. Its marketing is lousy. And has been lousy for quite a while now. Indeed its a far cry from BWIA in the 1980s when every where one turned in Caribbean Brooklyn there was evidence of BWIA. Even in the fetes! In those days not only TRinis identified with BW, despite the many jokes about its horrendous on time performence during peak periods.

So how could BW have been expected to build brand loyalty among people who knew little of them,, and who were quite hostile to them, given the demise of JM? Since its start in 2007 BW has been run as a carrier with almost no sales staff or marketing infrastructure in North America. This was fine when the focus was POS/GEO where it enjoys dominance.

Jamaicans! Whole other story. And the script was written by the Jamaicans on their thread and its amzing how accurate they have been to date (trhough I remain skeptical of Fly Jam).


Yes the current management is quite incompetent and their mishandling of the LGW route is evidence of that. But I do recall that the current Prime Minister was quite loud in her opposition to the take over of the KIN route, and indeed in its early days there was even some concern that she would withdraw,

She inherited the fiasco of BWs pipe dream to replace Air Jamaica. Sure she made bad worse by placing an egomanic failed hotelier, a pandit, and others similarly ignorant of aviation. But with the best of management the KIN route would have been quite difficult.

To compare a tiny and financially weak carrier like BW with some of the largest carriers in the world is wishful thinking. In fact its the very fact that these carriers have borne many difficulties in absorbing mergers is a reason why Patrick Manning should have looked at Mr Goulding and told him, "no thanks". As is Jca dumped an albatross, and has no further financial responsibility to BW, so quite freely allows in new competition, and even a new :national" carrier, to compete against BW.

So now any and every body can freely fly to KIN and Jca cares not one fig about the damage that this does to BW. After all BW is just some "Trini ting" so why woulod they care if BW succeeds or failed. It served its purpose and that was to provide a politically expedient way for JM to eb shut down. And now we have the very PM of Jamaica extoilling the virtues of Fly Jama and once again expressing pride that a "little piece of Jamaica" once again flies, for however short this flightg might be, in my opinion.


User currently offlineJM02 From France, joined Mar 2009, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15503 times:

The BW operations may be struggling in KIN but it's not as if KIN is a booming market. Year on year numbers for KIN are falling and in-fact B6 is reducing it's FLL service and downsizing aircraft. This years tourist figures are expected to be flat at best.

JM was never a panacea in it's heyday and most of the statistics that people use to support JM's numbers are before the advent of the US-JA open skies agreement and the LCCs. BW does not have the emotional attraction that JM once had but as long as it provides good service and competitive fares; the consumer will remain favourable.

Things are unlikely to pick-up for KIN anytime soon! a struggling Jamaican economy, and tepid growth in its primary markets don't bode too well for the future. Maybe the Airports Authority could reduce charges at KIN and so stimulate demand.


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 88, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 15473 times:

Quoting JM02 (Reply 87):

KIN is not a booming market. I am not aware that it is a shrinking market either. Remember than an importrnat driver is the VFR market, which I am sure remains strong. As broke as Jca is do not expact any drop in fees.

In recent years AC, B6 and WS have made significant inroads into this market. We will see what, if any impact, FlyJam will have on the JFK route, though the recent drastic reduction from 2daily nonstops to just 1X suggests that they must be drawing blood from BW. JFK has always been a strong performer and B6 maintains its daily flight, so why ha sBW cut out one of its 2 flights?

It is clear from the drastic drop in flights BW is suffering. Remember that JM used to run 2-3X day (some operated by A340s). BW is now down to 2x, using much smaller planes.

So why is only BW being forced to slash service, even as other carriers expand their KIN ops? If a carrier does not maintain a critical mass it soons loses the ability to offer the shdedule flexibility to cater to the needs of the market place. Example is that BW no longer offers a morning FLL KIN flight. So even those who prefer them are forced to use B6 if they wish a morning departure.

B6 maintains its 2Xday Embraer flights from FLL with A320s added during peak periods. B6 has now replavced BW as the lead carrier on the FLL KIN route. NK scaled back, dropped out, but is now back with seasonal service.

Even BWs Jamaican management team have admitted that increased competition (yes in s stagnant market) has created major difficulties. Even now as we speak AA and B8 each offer 21 x to the USA from KIN. BW is down to 16X. Who ever believed that the day would come when foreign carriers thought that they had a fighting chnace to penetrate the KIN market!

Note that BW has planes allocated to the KIN route, maybe with 50% not being used at the current schedule. They cannot afford to incur leases on planes that are not flying.


User currently offlineJM02 From France, joined Mar 2009, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 15450 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 88):
Remember that JM used to run 2-3X day (some operated by A340s).

This was incredibly inefficient and was not done because the loads were so great but because they had excess capacity and also for aircraft repositioning.

JM's long haul ops to LHR and MAN weren't profitable. The A300 was the right size for their London ops but then they got two A340s, Virgin ended the marketing agreement and then the UK imposed a visa regime for Jamaicans. Only a 1/3 of applicants were successful and when the choice was between VS, BA and JM, not to mention JMs frequent maintenance issues (my A340 was subbed for a World Airways DC-10); JM's goose was cooked and in the end they were loosing US$20 million a year on the London route.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 88):
Who ever believed that the day would come when foreign carriers thought that they had a fighting chnace to penetrate the KIN market!

KIN is a price sensitive market and the realities are that there maybe 3-4 BW aircraft dedicated to the KIN route, in that sense, the question should be why haven't the US carriers taken up more market share quicker. The fact is that very few routes are being created in to KIN; according to the AAJ latest reports, arrivals at both airports have declined to levels last seen in 2004-05. KIN which caters primarily to business travellers and Jamaican residents, experienced a more significant decline in passenger volume.

KIN is a shrinking market and everyone's cutting, BW included.

more info available at http://www.nmia.aero/annualreport


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 90, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15267 times:

Quoting JM02 (Reply 89):

Not debating LHR or MAN.

The BW manager for Jamaica has reported that the airline is under severe pressure on its KIN base due to inroads bycompetitors and price pressure, that such competition has provided. Indeed BW is usually cheaper than B6, especially on its JFK, so such price pressure reflects its need to maintain market share as it never enjoyed the unconditional loyalty of its Jamaicanj customers, and so must provide a reason for them not to fly B6.

The report indicates a drop of 5% in passenger volumes for NMIA, for 2010/11, noting that this period included the violence which occurred in April 2010, which reduced traffic volumes as many canceled their trips.


Even after JM dumped its A340s they still ran a 3x daily 321 to JFK 2 of which were on the JFK KIN, giving 2600 per week. This compares with BWs current 1.078. Massive reduction. The report indicates that JFK is now the lead source of arrivals into KIN so clearly the route remains healthy.



Clearly the competiton from B6 and FlyJ is seriously hurting BW on a route that was so belonged to JM that AA left, and no US carrier was bold enough to enter. With BW, they smelt vulnerability and so are coming into the once impossible KIN market.

WS entered the KIN market, with AC holding its 5X, but BW cutting from 5X down to 3X.

On the FLL KIN B6 is maintaining its 2x Embraer, with NK sharply cutting back to a seasonal in response. BW is now down to 1X when it used to do 3X as recently as 2011.

Now aside from NK, which has had to cut back as B6 is now the preferred FLL carrier, where do you see cut backs, on routes to North America, aside from BW.

Yes VS is out, but then BW is not on that route. Clearly the APD is having drastic impact on the declining UK VFR route. .One cannot compare the UK with the US VFR markets. In the UK most of those with Caribbean connections left as kids, are UK born, or are ageing people who are no longer able to travel frequently. The US VFR market remains quite healthy as it has a high % of recent immigrants with strong ties and who have to travel regardless of the airfare, or economic conditions

BW has now fallen BEHIND AA and B6 on its KIN USA routes, when JM used to be well ahead with 60% market share.


I do not know how one can argue that BWs cut backs is anything other than its failure tosecure the loyalty that JM had, and its inability to defend itself against B6, AC, and WS. Indeed AA has NOT cut back on its MIA KIN, and now there are reports that DL might be back on an ATL KIN. Clearly the issue is not that KIN is stagnant. Its that in a market which is not growing BW is LOSING market share to new entrants.

[Edited 2013-03-28 13:59:22]

[Edited 2013-03-28 14:00:43]

User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 91, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 15182 times:

and now there are reports that DL might be back on an ATL KIN

Quoting guyanam (Reply 90):

Reports? It is loaded already for a December start.



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User currently offlineCaymanair From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2004, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15093 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 86):
Quoting JM02 (Reply 87):

The whole Air Jamaica sale/ BW takeover/ 2 brands, one airline fiasco was horribly managed from Day 1. Made significantly worse by the change of government in Trinidad.

As I've said many many many times before, BW should have let JM disappear on their own and then they could have grown KIN services organically using less resources.


User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 564 posts, RR: 1
Reply 93, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 14912 times:

How long in advance do people book flights to GEO? Would it make sense for a DL replacement to start in late June or early July?

User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 94, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14916 times:

CAL flies into the red

IT’S official! Caribbean Airlines (CAL) is bankrupt! Word reaching TnT Mirror is that the Board has gone cap-inhand to borrow money from the Government to the tune of over $100 million. The money will allow the penniless airline to pay its staff’ and suppliers.
Mirror learnt that CAL, which is chaired by CEPEP contractor Rabindra Moonan, is over $500 million in the red and the situation could be worse were it not for the massive annual fuel subsidy from the Government.This subsidy is said to amount to just under $300 million and is a bone of contention with St. Vincent Prime Minister Ralph Gonsalves who feels it gives the national airline unfair advantage over LIAT which is owned by several Caribbean governments.
The airline has not released its annual accounts for a number of years and in the past couple of years gobbled up a billion dollars left by the previous board.An industry source told Mirror: “The airline’s role in making possible intra-Caribbean travel for social and business purposes is critical and its absence would reduce the population of several small states to being virtual prisoners on their islands.
“However, the misdirection and mismanagement at CAL cannot go on. The Board and management have to be held accountable.Something needs to be done to put a competent and effective Board and management team in place to strategically manage the airline.”
Mirror was also asked to investigate claims that Board members were in the process of negotiating the purchase of an old aircraft from China. It is alleged that the deal has been placed on hold as questions were raised about the links between the China based
company and certain high-ranking CAL officials.CAL staff are now on high alert as there is talk of a major restructuring. Just last week, 15 flight attendant’s contracts at the Jamaica operation were not renewed. Clive Forbes, general manager of Caribbean Airlines in Jamaica, told Jamaica-based RJR News that the expiration of the contracts coincided with cost cutting measures at the airline.Mirror was told that the recently- appointed Chief Financial Officer Shiva Ramnarine has been looking carefully at the airline’s operations and how they could be streamlined to save money. It is alleged that CAL is also looking closely at the Jamaica operations which is said to be bleeding the company’s scarce resources.Mirror understands that CAL is considering closing a call centre in Jamaica, which employs around 90 people, as calls can be easily rerouted and handled in Trinidad. It is alleged that other aspects of the Jamaica operations are being reviewed to determine what can be shut down or downsized. The Jamaica Government, which has its own issues, is not likely to take kindly to this move.Concerned employees who contacted the Mirror lamented: “How has the airline reached to this state? Now we are hearing about restructuring. It is unfair because many of us work very hard to keep this airline flying. The persons responsible for having
us in this predicament are never the ones who are sent home when there is restructuring.” The employees continued: “Look at CAL’s track record. In just six years there have been several incidents, including the Guyana crash. Pilots with low flying hours are being hired and promoted. These things never happened in BWIA, which is why BWIA’s safety record remained intact to the end.”Since the unceremonious dismissal of Ian Brunton as Chief Executive Officer of CAL in November 2010, the airline has been led by an acting CEO. Many argue that the absence of a strategic leader coupled with a questionable Board of Directors has accelerated the demise of the airline. When the PP first came into power, CAL’s line ministry was shifted from the Ministry of Finance to the Ministry of Transport.After several public clashes between the then Minister Jack Warner and the Board, the airline was “returned” to the Ministry of Finance with the Minister of Finance as corporation sole. Mirror is once again calling on Finance Minister Larry Howai to explain to the taxpayers of Trinidad and Tobago the exact state of affairs at CAL. As the ones funding the bailout, taxpayers have a right to know.

http://tntmirror.com/tnt-new3/?p=2746



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 95, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14862 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 94):
CAL flies into the red

IT’S official! Caribbean Airlines (CAL) is bankrupt! Word reaching TnT Mirror is that the Board has gone cap-inhand to borrow money from the Government to the tune of over $100 million. The money will allow the penniless airline to pay its staff’ and suppliers.

My sympathy with the employees about to lose their jobs and the passengers about to be forced to either change or lose they bookings.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 96, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 14781 times:

Off the wall thought but would CM become a suitor for BW? They could set up a small hub in POS


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 97, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 14757 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 96):
Off the wall thought but would CM become a suitor for BW? They could set up a small hub in POS

True both BW and CM do have matching B737 fleets and CM does lack presence where BW is(was) an strong brand, but I really doubt it CM would dare to do something with BW or what's left of it.
However, I could think BW going belly up would put some pressure in CM to increase frequencies to KIN and POS and perhaps finally open BGI, GEO, and PBM too.
But Trinidad & Tobago, Jamaica and other Caribbean countries (be Guyana, Barbados, Grenada, St. Lucia, Belize) allowing CM 5th rights traffic to USA, Canada, Brazil, Mexico, Cuba, Dominican Republic... and no need for CM to set up local subsidiaries would surely be mostly welcome by CM management.



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 98, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 14760 times:

LIAT passengers say Ogle Airport would be more convenient for travel

GEORGETOWN, Guyana, March 26, 2013 – An in-flight Guyana Airport Preferences Survey conducted by LIAT has found that the Ogle Airport, located on the outskirts of Georgetown, would be more convenient to the majority of customers polled.

LIAT’s Chief Executive Officer (CEO), Captain Ian Brunton announced the results of the survey as he addressed attendees at the Certification of the Ogle International Airport as a Regional Class Airport this afternoon.

“A total of 625 persons completed the survey of which 62.24 per cent chose Ogle while 37.76 per cent chose Cheddi Jagan International,” Captain Brunton said, noting that “the majority of respondents – 84 per cent – were not residents of Guyana.”

The LIAT CEO did not announce a date for commencement of commercial service into Ogle since he said there were other requirements for this to take effect.

“One critical component is the VOR/DME, which is an important Navigational Aid. We have been advised by the management of Ogle that this will be in place by the end of this year,” Captain Brunton said.

“However, we expect to be able to begin commercial operations into Ogle by mid-2013, using R-Nav Approaches (GPS).”

The LIAT CEO revealed that it was in 2010 that the Ogle Airport management shared their plans to extend the runway to accommodate ATR series and Dash – 8 series class of aircraft, noting that LIAT’s Executive Management immediately agreed to review the possibility of beginning service to Ogle as an alternative to Cheddi Jagan International Airport.

He said it was determined that the closer proximity to Georgetown would give the airline a competitive advantage since flying into Ogle would mean Reduced Flying Time and an annual fuel reduction for LIAT.

As part of today’s event, a LIAT flight landed at Ogle for the very first time. The flight which originated at LIAT’s home base in Antigua touched down just after 3:00 pm. The aircraft will take off at approximately 7:00 pm at the conclusion of the ceremony for the return flight to Antigua.

During his speech, Captain Brunton congratulated the Guyana Civil Aviation Authority on the achievement of 100 years of aviation during this month; and the Ogle Airport management on the completion of the Phase II Development including the Class 2C Runway and the expanded terminal facilities.

http://www.liat.com/navSource.html?page_id=704



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 99, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14491 times:

Quoting Caymanair (Reply 92):

Why would the disappearance of the AJ brand have helped BW? The duplication of operations was reduced by integrating their flight crews, reservations, and maintenance/engineering, this creating significant job loss in Jamaica. The overheads in KIN base were greatly reduced. I am not sure where the seperate brand resulted in higher overhead expenses, aside from the inflight magazine.

Reality was that many Jcans were hostile to a "foreign" carrier, and there was an attempt to make the airline seem more "Jamaican". The facts are that a Trini "flavor" is radically different from a Jamaican one, and the hardcore VFR selected JM, with all its warts, because it was "home". Its ths hardcore VFR which kept JM alive, after many of the less ethnocentric Jamaicans had fled to AA and other foreign carriers. You need to hear these types inform you that "dem ongle deal wid yard".



What hurt BW was their abominable ground service because they do not select, nor do they properly monitor their ground service contractors. And this was true from their beginning. Even Trinis at Piarco have had to complain about this. There have been complaints about the service at JFK since 2007. BW did NOTHING about this. So every time ethere are weather related delays there is no one to give passengers info and chaos results. One can see many of these pn youtube. Of course with BW now running as many as 10X/day in peak periods it then becomes over 1.000 irate passengers, giving JFK authrities anxious moments.

Unlike the case with Guyanese, Jamaicans have more choices and many fled, mainly to B6, which is now the biggest carrier between FLL and KIN.


The notion that Jamaicans would have flocked to BW because it was BRAND CARIBBEAN showed great ignorance of Jamaicans (aside from a small UWI educated elite), who identify more with North America, than they do with the rest of the Caribbean. It might shock you to know that many grass roots Jcans know less about the E/Caribbean than your average NYer.

And of course endless stories of Jamaicans losing jobs, and others claiming illtreatment from BW, does not help either. It furthers the perception among Jcans that these foreigners (Trinis) took over a Jcan company and illtreat Jcan staff and customers. No point arguing on this as people decide on what they think, not what facts you might furnish.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 96):
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 97):

POS is not going to be a hub despite the ambitions of numerous Tdad govts. PTY is a major commercial hub for Latin America (an alternate to MIA). PTY also is located between C Amer/Mexico, and giants like Colombia, Brazil, Peru, Chile and Argentina.

POS can only service GEO and PBM, too small to make this worthwhile. I am not even sure how much POS can benefit from northern Brazil. POS lacks the cultural, political and economic ties to Latin America that both PTY and MIA have.

I doubt that BW will go belly up for political reasons. Imagine how the PNM will accuse the UNC of destroying a carrier which it left in sustainable (even if not a profitable state, ignoring any debate of course as to whether the KIN base was ahuge mistake)?. This on top of a govt which is increasingly seen as corrupt, incompetent, in disarray and with its alliances fraying.

What will happen will be an injection of cash, a shut down of KIN, maybe termination of the LGW route, and also MCO. Some 738s will be sent back to lessors and the 3rd 767 will be canceled. And maybe a management shake up, though who knows whether the replacements will be any better.

But POS is way too dependent on BW, and too many Trinis will be unemployed if it closed.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14448 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 99):
POS can only service GEO and PBM, too small to make this worthwhile. I am not even sure how much POS can benefit from northern Brazil. POS lacks the cultural, political and economic ties to Latin America that both PTY and MIA have.

I dare to add that GND, BGI and UVF too could some-way benefit from an strong reliable BW POS operation.

Not to forget, definitely CCS, which for all accounts - IMHO - is a market that could have added quite a sizeable amount of traffic to POS U.S./Canada routes and at least, Venezuela and T&T, good or bad, have some kind of acquaintance not found between T&T and other Latin American countries (except perhaps, with Panama).
BW POS-PZO-POS thrice weekly at least, timed to connect to/from MIA/FLL @POS could have been money in the bank for BW.

While I would like to see a BW link between POS and Latin America's most important urban area: Sao Paulo, given the sheer size of that market, I've to understand, a lot has to happen for POS to get a SAO link, be out of its own demand (!) or of part of a POS hub (or attractive connections) offer.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 101, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14414 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 100):

Mybe POS can evolve into a local hub based on Eastern Ven, GEO and PBM. Maybe some additional feed to PTY out of BGI/UVF/BGI.

I only wished BW focused on gthis rather than the pie in the sky KIN base. The issues between Jamaicans and Trinis are well known soinitial push back was inevitable, and it is clear that BW lacked the resources to get it through that period.

Of course BWs severely inadequate board and top management are well known.


User currently offlineaa1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 102, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14356 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 101):
I only wished BW focused on gthis rather than the pie in the sky KIN base. The issues between Jamaicans and Trinis are well known soinitial push back was inevitable, and it is clear that BW lacked the resources to get it through that period.

Gotta agree with you here.
What CAL has become (leaving politics out of it), is something that no A.netter ever wished for.
Focussing on 737s and a smaller RJ or turboprop would have served it better. Seeking out more US cities, solidifying the trunk Caribbean routes and making a thrust into Central and South America in a bigger way especially in Venezuela would have been a much more prudent and conservative (probably profitable) strategy.

Instead CAL bleeds money now, doesn't seem to have any direction or strategy and is back, tugging at the Government purse strings as BW once was.

How sad it is to see a once up-and-coming carrier fall so fast and so hard.

Cheers,
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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 103, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14308 times:

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 102):
Gotta agree with you here.
What CAL has become (leaving politics out of it), is something that no A.netter ever wished for.
Focussing on 737s and a smaller RJ or turboprop would have served it better. Seeking out more US cities, solidifying the trunk Caribbean routes and making a thrust into Central and South America in a bigger way especially in Venezuela would have been a much more prudent and conservative (probably profitable) strategy.

Instead CAL bleeds money now, doesn't seem to have any direction or strategy and is back, tugging at the Government purse strings as BW once was.

How sad it is to see a once up-and-coming carrier fall so fast and so hard.

HAs anyone ever noticed that the moment the Caribbean carriers get fascinated with over the pond stuff they start to lose money......and focus.


BW would do well setting up a small hub in POS linking smaller S. America cities (like REC, PBM, etc) with N. America ....JFK, MCO, MIA.......just like CM is doing.

It is a whole lot easier and closer to go (for example) REC-POS-JFK than REC-PTY-JFK or REC-GRU-JFK.



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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1432 posts, RR: 1
Reply 104, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14297 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 103):
HAs anyone ever noticed that the moment the Caribbean carriers get fascinated with over the pond stuff they start to lose money......and focus.

BW would do well setting up a small hub in POS linking smaller S. America cities (like REC, PBM, etc) with N. America ....JFK, MCO, MIA.......just like CM is doing.

Well...there lies the issue. When you have amateurs at board level wrongfully running an airline and possess an extreme thirst to have a "big plane" and a "longhaul" route in your fleet/route network, this is the result. Instead of solidifying opportunities closer to home (including treating with KIN), BW went ahead and launched a sentimental route with wet-leased aircraft.......Who does that? As much as we would want to disregard the political factor, politics has everything to do with this LGW launch and B763 acquisition.

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 102):
Gotta agree with you here.
What CAL has become (leaving politics out of it), is something that no A.netter ever wished for.
Focussing on 737s and a smaller RJ or turboprop would have served it better. Seeking out more US cities, solidifying the trunk Caribbean routes and making a thrust into Central and South America in a bigger way especially in Venezuela would have been a much more prudent and conservative (probably profitable) strategy.

Instead CAL bleeds money now, doesn't seem to have any direction or strategy and is back, tugging at the Government purse strings as BW once was.

I agree with all that you all have said, however, I still believe the KIN opportunity was a prudent one at the time under the then corporate climate. That said, I do not even think POS is in a position now to bail out BW again.

All said and done, a lot of us on this thread perennially warned of the troubles to come if things at the airline post-2010 did not change quickly. What is happening now is not a prophecy fulfilled, but simple logic.



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User currently onlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 105, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14292 times:

For those wondering about CAL's loses and where they come from, the airline's CFO had a meeting last week outlining it all.
The airline lost:
US$20m in LGW last year
US$40m in wet leasing cost, aircraft positioning and new added fleet
US$20m in Jamaica operations, this includes the airline running the infamous POS-KIN run, despite the airline running a 90 load factor last year on the route.
US$10m in other operating expenses.

When he was asked about the LGW route, he admitted that the route had no business case, was bleeding the airline more money than KIN, and the whole thing was political gerrymandering. Not only that, but his solutions is to raise fares on the route and continue flying because politicians wants it lol.

So there would be no more Wet Leasing unless necessary: so CAL will be operating its JFK-GEO lost significant sums of money last year, and CAL will only add 1 more flight when DL leaves the route with the 767.
POS is losing money with the US$99 fare war with WS, so the airline has raised the prices of tickets to normal levels.
POS-KIN will be reduced to 7w from the 11w originally, due to week economies in the Caribbean and lower air travel on the intra0regional routes.
POS-FLL will be reduced to 5w on weekend demand.
KIN services in the US will be reduced to all just daily services,
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 103):

LGW was never part of the Lok jack plan for CAL, he did say they would have looked at the viability of the route in 2015. His plan was for POS to turn in a Singapore model of transferring pax from South America to North America, hence the many trade agreements Trinidad has with the South.
Well that was the plan and a MRO for South America business but, all that is a dream due to incompetent management and more so a political board.

[Edited 2013-04-01 22:10:21]


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 106, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14178 times:

Had BW been managed by focused people who know how to run an airline with no T&T government officials interfering its operations, something good could have come out of Caribbean Airlines a lean - yet strong - regional not-money-losing airline.
B.T.W. retired CM staff now are working as airline advisers.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14043 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 106):

We know that in the world of aviation, we'll always encounter the "ones" who think they know about aviation....

PS- Gotta catch my AC flight to YYZ, see you guys!


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 108, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13917 times:

Hello All,


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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 109, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13814 times:

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 102):

The problem is that, not only does the board not understand tha aviation business, but they know nothbing about running corporations either. Clearly a competent board would have noted the cash bleed and would have asked questions, and demanded a response,

I can understand the rationale and the temporary loss on the JFK GEO last year as they had to protect this lucrative route against EZjet. And indeed now DL has gone BW has a monopoly, and much greater pricing flexibility. I can see the wetleases during peak periods to cover the heavy JFK POS. Given the sharp spike in traffic it probably doesnt make sense to have a fleet large enough to handle this surge, only to be idle for the remaining 9 monthsAny way they now have excess 738s with the demise of the KIN base....and it will go because with just a daily flight they leave plenty room for others to fill the gap, especially on the JFK KIN.

What I did not understand is whythe wetlease for the LGW. It harned their brand on what is a route which demands high service, due to the length of the flights and the competition. It is route taht is risky as LGW POS is a relatively thin route, and BA is definitely committed to stay. So why didnt they wait until the 767s were ready to start the route, giving a quality of service conssitent with a Caribbean carrier, and not a US based charter airline?

And was the LGW route really necessary, given that it was a loss maker for both BWIA and JM?

But as folks here say you have a bunch of amateurs who "got excited about big plane and a flight across the ocean", and had no means to assess whether it made business sense. The facts is thet neither of its core markets, POS, or GEO have strong ties to LGW equaivalent to JFK/YYZ and Florida.

Even though T&T ha sno money (soft LNG market) political embrassment dictates that Kamla will salvage the airline. She will blame the PNM for the Jamaican fiasco and promptly shut it down. T&T has never been without a national carrier since it became a nation and I dont think that Kamla will want to explain why it might no longer have one.

And she cant find a sucker, as Jamaics did, to get BW off her hands.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 103):

I think that some level of cooperation with PY could have worked. BW has a much more developed North American network than PY will ever have. Given that PBM ha smuch stronger ties to Brazil than POS will have it might have made sense to let PY handle the Brazilian routes and connect in POS with BW for onward travel to North America. This would strengthen PY as they will not be limited to PBM/GEO bound traffic from north east Brazil (quite limited) but also JFK/YYZ, given that those scities are trying to develop ties. POS PBM would then be aBW/PY code share, operated by PY.


User currently offlineCaymanair From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2004, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13804 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 99):
Why would the disappearance of the AJ brand have helped BW?

By that I mean that BW should have walked away from any JM deal. Why go back after their first bid was refused? No one else would have bought JM and the airline would have collapsed of its own accord. The resulting market space would have presented BW with opportunities to grow organically. They wouldn't have had to take on JM staff. They wouldn't need to host any administrative functions in Jamaica. They could have been credited with hiring Jamaicans and restoring services rather than cutting numbers and routes. What benefit did the JM deal bring to BW? They didn't even use JM aircraft!

BW was such a promising airline when it was established. The current TT government has really butchered BW.


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 111, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13758 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 109):
And indeed now DL has gone BW has a monopoly, and much greater pricing flexibility

But by the comments on this forum, one would think that folks in GEO are happy DL is gone/is going.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 112, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13736 times:

Quoting Caymanair (Reply 110):

In ore
BW didnt buy over JM, nor did they assume any of its assets, liabilities, or contractual obligations. The only ex JM staff who were hired were done under new contracts. BW outsourced ground and reservation services, closed down JMs offices, and down sized its maintenance/engineering to a line facility with most heavy work being done at POS.

The fact is that most Jamaicans were upset at the loss of a national symbol, and WRONGLY blamed BW for its demise. They expressed a resistance to viewing Caribbean Airlines as an entity for which they should feel any loyalty towards, in the way that they had to JM.

In order to ensure the support in the VFR segment BW acquired the rights to use "Air Jamaica". Initially the plan was to gradually phase it out as customer support was gained. Eventually the new management under the new, and incompetent board (but that is anothert subject) decided to "permanently" keep the Air Jamaica brand.

Any way the notion of Jamaicans supporting a Caribbean brand as if it was their own was a risky one. For historic reasons, as well as due to geographic distance (the closest Engl;ishspeaking island in the E/Caribbean, SKB, is 1,000 miles. Jamaicans have always felt superior to the rest of CARICOM. Many said that they had no intention of flying "dat Trini ting". Expressed outrage at the large numbers of former JM staff who were not hired by BW, and sought any excuse to not use BW. Sensing this B6 and Westjet entered the KIN market, and AC expanded.There is FlyJam which seeks to become a Jamaican icon.

To show how little regard the govt of Jamaica had for BW. they allowed FyJ to compete against BW in the VFR markets, knowing that BW would be the loser, given strong sentiments that Jcans have towards strictly Jcan products, at least when compared with those from other parts of the Caribbean.

And this ought not have been a surprise to any on this site as the Jcans on the other thread predicted that BW would fail. So BW will close down their KIN basse by September as their current schedule indicates that they have given up trying to be a factor on the KIN USA route.

We now see that the KIN base and LGW have cost BW US$40M, and continue to bleed the carrier.

I predict that GORTT will inject capital to save BW. They will face severe criticism for doing so. First for destroying a company which was sustainable, even if not fully profitable, when they inherited it from the previous govt. And secondly because some will see a new BWIA, bleeding the tax payers.

Because BW remains a symbol, and because it employs many Trinis (directly and indirectly) it cannot be shut down. But as a compromise the carrier will focus almost entirely on POS (who pays for it) and GEO (at profitable route. And will close down the KIN base, drop LGW, and maybe even MCO. I also predict that the SLU route will be discontinued and GND will get only out of JFK. TAB JFK will continue as a nod to Tobago. Many 738s will be sent back.There will be no 3rd 767. The Guyanese will have to pay high airfares because nobody will prevent BW from doing so.Not with 80% market share with the exit of DL.

All of this will happen by Sept/Oct.

Of course the current Chairman and board will be fired as the govt will need a scape goat. Question will be which group of party loyal;ists will replace them.


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 113, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13719 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 111):

DL made their decision for reasons that had NOTHING to do with the fuel subsidy. Clearly not as how can the Guyana govt be blamed for something that the Trinidadian govt was doing? Guyana does not put ONE CENT into BW.

AA flies quite happily into POS against BW. B6 happily expanded into the KIN market, even though BW recived subsidies from T&T to fly those routes too.

Westjet recently started service to POS as well.

And DL was fully aware of the BW subsidy when they began service to GEO.And flew into GEO for many years despite this.

This is about positioning assets in other markets which better fit DL. So there is absolutely not one thing that any one in Guyana could have done about it, so what they might think of this is irrelevant.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 114, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13664 times:

Maybe this question has been sort of asked here before more than once but now that DL showed no interest for GEO and given the financial state of BW; What would the NYC-GEO passengers find "less annoying": BW GEO-POS-JFK one-stop flight, BW GEO-POS-JFK connecting @ POS or an UA GEO-EWR non-stop?
Also I'm guessing, B6 is watching BW developments lately and might study to make a move on FLL-POS and FLL-GEO.



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 115, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13635 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 111):
But by the comments on this forum, one would think that folks in GEO are happy DL is gone/is going.

Whatever gave you that impression?



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User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13495 times:

BW is an easy fix wish they would take the help

User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 117, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13472 times:

Crash in Mayaguana, Bahamas, last night: http://www.tribune242.com/news/2013/...lane-kills-three-mayaguana-runway/


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 118, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13442 times:

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 116):
BW is an easy fix wish they would take the help

Tell us how easy that is, I'm curious and VERY doubtful at the same time 

A388


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2387 posts, RR: 1
Reply 119, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13436 times:

Wow haven't posted in this thread in a while....

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 94):

As someone who use to fly BW regularly, im actually sad to here this. Im hoping they can turn themselves around, hopefully...

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 105):
For those wondering about CAL's loses and where they come from, the airline's CFO had a meeting last week outlining it all.
The airline lost:
US$20m in LGW last year
US$40m in wet leasing cost, aircraft positioning and new added fleet
US$20m in Jamaica operations, this includes the airline running the infamous POS-KIN run, despite the airline running a 90 load factor last year on the route.
US$10m in other operating expenses.

Not surprised all that wet leasing cost them so much... LGW, thats another story...

Quoting A388 (Reply 108):

Great Photos once again A388, I have a couple in my upload queue that im hoping will finally make it to the database, but we'll see. The a.net meet is this Saturday so ill let you know how that went. Also I might be able to do some spotting around LHR next week, looking forward to it! (if it happens of course...)

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 117):

Very Sad   RIP. Though, They shouldnt have been in the vehicle lining the runway while an aircraft is landing, is this a common procedure?



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 120, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13422 times:

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 116):
BW is an easy fix wish they would take the help

Help from whom?



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 121, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13435 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 114):

The BW JFK GEO nonstop flights have decent loads, even before DL disappeared. In fcat it is BECAUSE BW started this route why DL left, as they were happy when they were the only nonstop carrier.

So there is no need for BW to remove it. The route lost $$ last year because the fares were ridiculously low ($400 vs the usual $600) due to the need to prevent Ezjet from becoming entrenched, and because a wet leased plane was used.

Given that BW is definitely going to increase its fares on the JFK GEO, with its monopoly, if they remove the nonstops this will provide incentive for some other carrier to enter, maybe even with GEO waiving landing fees. The political pressure would be too intense for the govt not to try to address the lack of nonstops from JFK, if BW drops this service.As is there is some resentment that BW has an almost total monopoly into GEO. The NY area is as political important in Guyana as Amsterdam is to PBM.

Which ever carrier offers JFK GEO nonstops will get the business and changing planes at POS will NEVER be acceptable. POS is NOT designed to be a hub airport.

There isnt enough FLL GEO business on an O&D basis. If FLL offers good connections from ATL, the DC area, and other places where Guyanese live (other then the NY area) then the route might work, though there was mention of AA possibly starting an MIA GEo service. No room for both. The only route that can support two carriers into GEO is JFK.

I will suggest that B6 is actively watching the GEO situation as the Guyana govt has already begun talks with them. The main problem is that the A320s cannot do JFK GEO nonstop and other routes into GEO are more speculative.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 122, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13409 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 121):
POS is NOT designed to be a hub airport.

This statement really sets back any dream of turning POS into a true continental hub airport someday.
No wonder why (other than the usual language/culture clash issues) POS hasn't positioned itself as reliable airport to use by desperate passengers looking to fly to/from CCS, not to mention why BW itself hasn't showed great interest in grabbing an slice of the CCS-MIA/JFK/YYZ market.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 123, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13396 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 119):
Quoting A388 (Reply 108):


Great Photos once again A388, I have a couple in my upload queue that im hoping will finally make it to the database, but we'll see. The a.net meet is this Saturday so ill let you know how that went. Also I might be able to do some spotting around LHR next week, looking forward to it! (if it happens of course...)

That's good 817Dreamliiner, I hope that you will have your first photos accepted in the database soon. I envy you that you are going to LHR. I would love to do that too some day.

Cheers from Curacao,

A388


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2387 posts, RR: 1
Reply 124, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13364 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 123):
That's good 817Dreamliiner, I hope that you will have your first photos accepted in the database soon. I envy you that you are going to LHR. I would love to do that too some day.

Cheers from Curacao,

A388

Thanks, im keeping my fingers crossed, though the screening process takes forever! My LHR spotting isnt totally firm yet, Have to get to London first, But once that is sorted LHR should be a go. Hoping to see some interesting stuff (more so the new AA 77Ws than anything else). You should take a trip to the UK sometime   (Well, when you have time, I know your a family man now  )



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 125, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13351 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 122):

Was watching Bloomberg TV (major source of financial news) and a hotelier was talking about plans for additional facilities in PTY. Why? Because PTY has become an alternate to MIA. The reason for your massive forest of high rise buildings (rivalling Manhattan) is this strong tie with Latin America.

So PTY is well set up to be ahub. It has strong O&D traffic to several Latin cities, which allows it to build a hub linking cities to the south with those to the north (USA, Central America and Mexico). CM is confident that it can combine O&D with intransit traffic to ensure good LFs.

POS. with weak ties to Latin America (even CCS suppports a daily ATR only), cannot compete with CM's PTY hub. Indeed its more efficient to link POS thru PTY to a wide range of Latin ASmerican cities, than to think that POS can support nonstop service.

I can see a very limited mini hub in POS (once they change the design of Piarco to make it more user friendly for intransits) based on connecting cities in eastern Venezuela and also REC and FOR with its North American network, this in addition to its existing GEO/PBM service. This might also accelelerate ties between north east Brazil and PBM/GEO/POS.

It will however have to come to terms with PY, which it should have done in the first place, rather than thinking that it could replace JM on routes as complex and competitive as the KIN/MBJ markets. PY will like to grow but lacks the resources to do so because PBM is a small market, and the Suriname govt is poor. The two carrieers should have been cooperating.


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 126, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13282 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 113):
DL made their decision for reasons that had NOTHING to do with the fuel subsidy.

I am very sorry to be blunt, but you have no idea what you are talking about. There were 2 reasons that DL left. One of those was the fuel subsidy issue.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 127, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13305 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 125):
POS. with weak ties to Latin America (even CCS suppports a daily ATR only), cannot compete with CM's PTY hub.

Sure POS can't compete with PTY but IMHO, specifically talking about CCS (serviced daily ATR POS and not twice daily B737-800) that's because BW management doesn't realize how big is CCS seat demand to/from MIA/JFK/YYZ and are unwilling to take a chance increasing CCS service to grab a piece of the traffic connecting in BOG and PTY.
BW's apprehension to deal with those Venezuelan Spanish-speaking passengers on its MIA/JFK/YYZ flights is really stopping them from getting a critical mass to take the pressure of covering operating costs of certain flights many days of the week from POS traffic alone.



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User currently offlineaa1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 128, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13310 times:

Just thought i'd share the rebuttal from BW in the Trinidad Express from Tuesday 2nd April 2013.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/...t-strapped-for-cash-201162361.html

Seems to totally fly in the face of what the T&T Mirror (known for unreliable reporting in its weekend-only print).

Quote:
Caribbean Airlines is not cash-strapped, the airline’s vice-chairman, Mohan Jaikaran, said yesterday.
Jaikaran’s statement comes on the heels of a report in the weekend Mirror that the carrier was seeking an immediate $100 million injection from the Government to pay suppliers and employees.
“I do not know where anyone got that, but it is very sad that those are the reports coming out in the media,” Jaikaran said in a telephone interview yesterday.

Additionally, glad to see that while BW may not be taking the path all of us on here would like, aviation related activities at POS continue to evolve. Kudos for BW for this great step in developing local skills. This was in the T&T Guardian today (April 4th 2013). See below.

http://guardian.co.tt/business/2013-...04/cal-saves-350000-house-painting

Cheers,
AA1818



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 129, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13117 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 124):
Thanks, im keeping my fingers crossed, though the screening process takes forever! My LHR spotting isnt totally firm yet, Have to get to London first, But once that is sorted LHR should be a go. Hoping to see some interesting stuff (more so the new AA 77Ws than anything else). You should take a trip to the UK sometime (Well, when you have time, I know your a family man now )

Thanks 817Dreamliiner. In July BA will get their first A380, it might be worth the trip to go to LHR at that time too. I wish I was you (so close to the action in LHR) but as you rightfully said, I am a family man now so I will balance my time spent between my family and aircraft spotting  

Who knows, maybe we will meet in LHR some day.

A388


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2387 posts, RR: 1
Reply 130, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13096 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 129):
Who knows, maybe we will meet in LHR some day.

Well, ill probably be back home in MNI then, but maybe someday   . Dont forget MAN as well 



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 131, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13047 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 130):
Well, ill probably be back home in MNI then, but maybe someday . Dont forget MAN as well

Okay, no problem my friend. Should you need any help in photo editing or aircraft photography tips, just let me know and I see how I can assist. Also let us know here when you have your photos accepted at airliners.net. I'm very interested of course 

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 132, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13030 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 126):

So why dont you tell us why you think that a poor NON TOURISM dependent country like Guyana ought to offer an incentive to DL to offset BWs fuel subsidy that it recieves from Trinidad. Indeed why should incentives offered by one govt have any relevance to service provided to another country?

While you are at it tell uis how come Westjet began service to POS despite BWs fuel subsidy. And must be doing SA Czech Airlines">OK as this route is now permanent. Also why did SA)">DL expand its JFK MBJ route competing against BW anbd its fuel subsidy?

Like I said GEO didnt fit into DLs plans and they use the fuel subsidy as an excuse, and even invented a lie that their loads to GEO were declining, a fact that the Guyana govt refuted with evidence. When it suits DL BWs fuel subsidy ha is of no concern to DL as we see on the JFK MBJ route.

A company can do what ever they wish and are free to determine which market to serve and which not to serve. SA)">DL no longer wanted GEO and so will leave. Yes the SAME JFK GEO route competing against BW which had the subsidy from the time that DL started service. So why did the fuel subsidy suddenly become an issue when it was there all along?!

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 127):



I remain skeptical that Venezuelans are going to use BW when AA is available, and MIA is their fdavorite destination. They can already fly JFK CCS via POS and yet few seem to do so. BW is total inept when it comes to promoting into new markets so it is unwise for them to build capacity which will remain under utliized.. When I see BW filling its planes on its JFK TAB routes with US tourists then I will believe that they can create demand in a foreign language market. We aleady saw their JFK ANU route fail because it was only full at times of the year when Antiguans were traveling.


On the YYZ CCS AC flies 4X nonstop, so why should any one fly via POS?

[Edited 2013-04-05 11:21:31]

[Edited 2013-04-05 11:25:43]

[Edited 2013-04-05 11:27:23]

[Edited 2013-04-05 11:41:49]

User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 133, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13021 times:

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 128):

I guess the truth is some where between the Mirror artice and the BW response. Any way it is quite clear that GORTT will not allow BW to collapse. I still expect the KIN base to be closed though. Maybe LGW gone too.


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2387 posts, RR: 1
Reply 134, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13013 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 131):
Okay, no problem my friend. Should you need any help in photo editing or aircraft photography tips, just let me know and I see how I can assist. Also let us know here when you have your photos accepted at airliners.net. I'm very interested of course 

Thanks alot A388! I'll PM you if I need assistance. Though, I wont be doing much editing for a while, got exams coming up... But yes ill post here if I get something accepted   Thanks again.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 135, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12962 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 132):
I remain sceptical that Venezuelans are going to use BW when AA is available, and MIA is their fdavorite destination.

AA can't add any more seats to its MIA-CCS service. Venezuelans refuse to fly SBA Airlines and all the excess demand flies via PTY and BOG, and that demand is huge.

Quote:
BW is total inept when it comes to promoting into new markets so it is unwise for them to build capacity which will remain under utliized.

We agree on that and BW will prefer to take risks on English Speaking markets than to globalise and venture in a Spanish speaking market it has known from the BWIA days. If T&T aviation people haven't gotten to know something about Venezuela in all these years, whatever really pushes down them to isolate themselves for the rest of the region is a bigger disease than we Latinamericans assumed.
Not wanting to deal with Spanish speakers plain and simple is the dumbest excuse they could find.

Quote:
When I see BW filling its planes on its JFK TAB routes with US tourists then I will believe that they can create demand in a foreign language market.

It all depends how ready is TAB to receive North American tourists.



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User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 136, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12927 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 119):
Very Sad   RIP. Though, They shouldnt have been in the vehicle lining the runway while an aircraft is landing, is this a common procedure?

It sort of is. Many small airports in the Bahamas do not have runway lights. They normally only operate from sunrise to sunset, and are closed at night.

However, this was a medical emergency flight, in the middle of the night. For such cases, well meaning citizens often line their cars near the runway to provide light. In many cases, in fact, on a clear night, this would not be necessary, as these islands have so few other lights that there isn't much distraction and the light runway stands out from the bush. I do not know what the weather conditions were at the time of the accident.

In any case, something else seems to have gone wrong here, as a Cessna 402 should not need all 4,800 ft. of runway available at MYMM.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 137, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 12910 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 135):

And I submit Venezuelans will sooner use BOG and PTY than they will use POS. I wonder why you think that they will see the unknown BW with any more favor than they would SBA. Indeed BW already offers connections via POS as the 425 arrives early enough to connect with the CCS flight. Clearly BW isnt seeeing any demand and they are not able to create demand where it is not obvious.

BW is not a marketing savvy airline as they do not have to be in their core VFR markets. Asking them to enter a new market where there are no West Indians is like suggesting that a cripple enter the Olympic 100m. Its bound to fail, and they cant afford this.

Indeed TAM, a major brand, has been getting mediocre results from its BGI route. Most of the passengers are Brazilian. If there is little interest in travel then its hard tio create a demand for it.

If BW could not even win over Jamaicans, who are fully aware of it, then why do you think that they have the ability to engage in a speculation action that Venezuelans will select them and not airlines operated by their fellow Latin Americans?

Understand that BW has limitations and already we have seen the disastrous effects with their KIN basde and the LGW route. Do not expect more from them than they are capable of.

Note that BWIA tried service to GRU and the planes flew empty and so were abandoned. They tried SJO, and SDQ with similar results. BWIA in times past was much mlore marketing savvy then the current BW is, because an appreciable % of their business came from tourists flying to BGI, ANU, and UVF. They have lost this ability.

CCS works because the only people who fly it have no choice and consist of people who have reasons to fly betweenj CCS and POS. A small market as we can see with its daily ATR. BW has no need to market this route to the 300 or so people who use them weekly.

TAB has llthe attractions that any caribbean island has but lacks service by a major brand. LIke I said BW is not capable of creating demand for its servicees byond the VFR market and its core POS and GEO outbound markets. TAB will fail to attract US tourists until a major brand flies there, but they cant prove demand so they fail to maintain these services.

Face facts Latin Americans and people from the non Hispanic Caribbean view each other wisth suspicion and with a range of stereotypes. CM can take a chance, based on its strong PTY hub. BW cannot.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 138, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12862 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 137):
And I submit Venezuelans will sooner use BOG and PTY than they will use POS. I wonder why you think that they will see the unknown BW with any more favour than they would SBA.

Venezuelan aviation is in such a lousy condition that international passengers 1st choice when flying are the non-Venezuelan airlines.
So that means BW could be even favoured.

BW didn't win Jamaicans because they still believe BW killed Air Jamaica and if having other choices they'd fly with those airlines.
The BW - Air Jamaica affair will be studied in commercial aviation history as how the assumingly most natural small airline expansion ventures aren't the best suited ones.

Currently CCS-POS is a limited P2P service and as I could see it, BW is quite happy keeping as it's within the airline tight + small Latin American routes comfort zone.
Just sad that because the excuse BW bad experiences with SDQ, GRU and the politically driven SJO routes, an already flown destination like CSS, able to improve BW finances (if combined with connections to/from MIA/JFK/YYZ) remains extremely underrated.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12650 times:

POS is waaaayyyyy out of the way for us, POS could work if they had cheap flights from northern brazilians cities, but open skies will be avaiable to us from 2014, so I believe many american/canadian airlines will flood our market, therefore no need to connect somewhere else! just my two cents!

PS- I believe CM will need to worry about this openskies thing, once they were expanding in BRZL and their main market is the US bound pax's.

[Edited 2013-04-06 16:40:02]

User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 140, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12408 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 139):
POS is waaaayyyyy out of the way for us, POS could work if they had cheap flights from northern brazilians cities, but open skies will be available to us from 2014, so I believe many american/canadian airlines will flood our market, therefore no need to connect somewhere else! just my two cents!

Please compare routes via PTY and via POS for GRU.
(from www.gcmap.com)

GRU (23°25'55"S 46°28'10"W) MIA (25°47'43"N 80°17'24"W) 324.1° (NW) 4072 mi
2 segment path: 4306 mi (+5.7%)
GRU (23°25'55"S 46°28'10"W) PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) 311.3° (NW) 3154 mi
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) MIA (25°47'43"N 80°17'24"W) 357.1° (N) 1152 mi
2 segment path: 4168 mi (+2.4%)
GRU (23°25'55"S 46°28'10"W) POS (10°35'43"N 61°20'14"W) 335.1° (NW) 2546 mi
POS (10°35'43"N 61°20'14"W) MIA (25°47'43"N 80°17'24"W) 312.7° (NW) 1622 mi
GRU (23°25'55"S 46°28'10"W) JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) 338.0° (N) 4745 mi
2 segment path: 5354 mi (+12.8%)
GRU (23°25'55"S 46°28'10"W) PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) 311.3° (NW) 3154 mi
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) 8.1° (N) 2200 mi
2 segment path: 4750 mi (+0.1%)
GRU (23°25'55"S 46°28'10"W) POS (10°35'43"N 61°20'14"W) 335.1° (NW) 2546 mi
POS (10°35'43"N 61°20'14"W) JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) 341.9° (N) 2204 mi

To fly to the major Brazilian markets non-stop U.S and Canadian airlines need wide-bodies and if they want to get better fares, red-eyes both ways.
Right now Brazil outside SAO and RIO is pretty much open skies for U.S. airlines and we don't see them rushing to serve its major secondary markets outside SAO and RIO.
IMHO, the 2014 open skies are pretty much overrated because its effect on SAO and RIO, where U.S. airlines want to fly.
While SAO shouldn't be really discarded as a BW destination sometime in the future given its massive traffic, if a Caribbean airline has a chance to do something interesting with northern Brazil - MIA traffic right now, that would be PY at BEL and SLZ; possible FOR but fighting for passengers with AA flying non-stop to MIA wouldn't be easy..

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PS- I believe CM will need to worry about this openskies thing, once they were expanding in BRZL and their main market is the US bound pax's.

Again, to fly to the major Brazilian markets non-stop U.S and Canadian airlines need wide-bodies and if they want to get better fares, red-eyes both ways.
All of Brazil is within range for CM B737 from PTY and MAO, BEL perhaps CGB for E190.
And Caribbean leisure destinations plus HAV can be easily reached via PTY from Brazil, try to get to those from Brazil via a U.S. airport.
What are the real chances to see a daily CNF, POA or SSA - MCO non-stop flight?