Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal  
User currently offlinexpfg From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 633 posts, RR: 7
Posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7146 times:

Last year a topic came about that JetBlue may at some point and time become a reality for DAB. I just though this may be of interest to some here, so I'm posting what the airport recently came up with and has proprosed to JetBlue to start service at the Daytona Beach airport.


Fair Use:
To attract JetBlue to the Volusia/Flagler market, a public/private partnership came together consisting of the airport, civic leaders, and local business partners, chambers of commerce, Volusia County's three tourism advertising authorities and others to put together an impressive incentive package. This package includes complete waiver of airport rentals and landing fees for a full year, $400,000 in front-end marketing support for New York City advertising. Half of this will come from the three advertising authorities. A two-year travel bank was created through the efforts of local business leaders and the Daytona Beach Regional Chamber of Commerce. The travel bank already has financial pledges from 30 businesses to fly JetBlue, mainly for New York travel needs. The current dollar pledge to the travel bank is approximately $250,000 for the first year. Participants in the travel bank include many top employers in Volusia County who have an ongoing need for daily nonstop service to New York City.

Source: http://www.news-journalonline.com/ar...13/OPINION/302129970?p=1&tc=pg



Another interesting part spoke of traffic stats:

For the past four years, Daytona Beach International Airport has bucked the national trend. From a low of 423,725 passengers in 2009, our airport's traffic increased to 584,280 in 2012, a gain of 38 percent in four calendar years. Bigger jets, more seats, reasonable fares and high passenger loads have been a consistent and welcome trend here over the last four years, very different from the experience of many other airports across America.

[Edited 2013-02-15 00:15:04]

53 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3477 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6901 times:

If they started this service, DL would start it as well.

They would both lose a lot of money because the route is too big for 2 carriers.

B6 would pull out.

DL would then end the nonstop JFK or LGA flight

Enjoy ATL.

Isn't uncontrolled Capitalism wonderful?


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6861 times:

While I agree Delta will add, I think B6 has enough recognition on both ends to hold their own.


Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlinethorntot From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6848 times:

I wonder if the same incentives were offered to United to re-start the former DAB-CLE service Continental used to run prior to 9/11. I would think the Volusia/Flager market would have a larger draw from a mid-western hub than the NYC market. That being said, United could offer both NYC and the Midwest. United would/could be a better fit with a routing of CLE-DAB-EWR and back.

And Delta would be less likely to respond to a DAB-CLE and DAB-EWR flights operated by United. I agree with the earlier posting...JetBlue will be run out of the market by Delta.



Work Hard. Fly Right. Fly United.
User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4278 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6617 times:

But...could B6 also launch a BOS-DAB frequency as well? Not sure there would be as much demand as NYC, but during events like Bike Week and speedweeks, BOS-DAB could work.

Also, CO had a DAB-EWR freq for many years on Mainline. It ended only a short time ago. I am not sure that DL launching the route would affect B6 negatively, because of B6's much lower cost structure. One other thing to note is now that there is an AA/US merger, they could conceivably take a stab at the route as well, since they already serve the market from CLT.

I don't think there will be a lot of reaction though. UA could try EWR again, which worked for years and would be better than what happened when IAD flopped. But I think B6 could make this work.


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16866 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6591 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 4):
Also, CO had a DAB-EWR freq for many years on Mainline.

They served both DAB and MLB nonstop from EWR since '86. MLB ended in the late '90s and DAB carried on until 2003? If you ever watch the movie "Days of Thunder" with Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman there's a scene you can see a CO MD-80 lifting off of DAB in the background.

Quoting apodino (Reply 4):
UA could try EWR again, which worked for years and would be better than what happened when IAD flopped.

I think UA could (re) launch EWR-DAB and EWR-SRQ with ERJ-170s.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6502 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 4):
But...could B6 also launch a BOS-DAB frequency as well? Not sure there would be as much demand as NYC, but during events like Bike Week and speedweeks, BOS-DAB could work.

BOS-DAB has only 30 PDEW, but DAB is so close (just over an hour) to MCO that they might be able to get enough pax, plus there is a hub up here for some connections. I wouldn't hold my breath on it, though.



2013 World Series Champions!
User currently offlinedabpit From United States of America, joined May 2012, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6474 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 1):
If they started this service, DL would start it as well.

DL is doing seasonal to LGA for race season.

Quoting apodino (Reply 4):
But...could B6 also launch a BOS-DAB frequency as well?

There was talk of adding BOS at the same time as JFK or shortly after and if both those routes do well then there is a high possibility for SJU but I wouldn't bet on the DAB-SJU route.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
I think UA could (re) launch EWR-DAB and EWR-SRQ with ERJ-170s.

Maybe UA would do DAB-EWR and/or DAB-CLE

It would be nice to see an airline serve the west coast. Maybe DL or UA to LAX or UA to SFO


User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2679 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6365 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 4):
I don't think there will be a lot of reaction though. UA could try EWR again, which worked for years and would be better than what happened when IAD flopped. But I think B6 could make this work.

IAD didn't flop. UA was pissed that DAB gave FL a subsidy for BWI service and wouldn't give it to them for IAD, so they packed up and left.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
Quoting apodino (Reply 4):
Also, CO had a DAB-EWR freq for many years on Mainline.

They served both DAB and MLB nonstop from EWR since '86. MLB ended in the late '90s and DAB carried on until 2003?

CO pulled out on September 2, 2008. They cited poor yield and high fuel prices at the time.

DL will very likely add a permanent LGA or JFK run if B6 comes to town. It'll be a repeat of when FL flew DAB-LGA. DL adds, they both lose money, they both pull the route, and DL funnels everybody through ATL again. I hope B6's strength in Florida and NYC (and connecting points beyond) keeps them in the market. I know I'll personally benefit from the service!


User currently offlinexpfg From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 633 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6310 times:

Quoting dabpit (Reply 7):
DL is doing seasonal to LGA for race season.

Wow, I had no idea about this. It's been a while since they've even considered it, but sure enough, it's there as Saturday service on an E70.

http://www.news-journalonline.com/ar...130120/columns/301189971?p=1&tc=pg


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5737 times:

Quoting panam330 (Reply 8):

But this time B6 has a lot of connecting opportunities on the other end.


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2865 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5222 times:

Well, B6 clearly has no problem serving SRQ, a relatively small Florida beach market in the shadows of nearby TPA. DAB is rather similar to SRQ; it is a well-known and popular destination in its own right that suffers with respect to air service due to its close proximity to a very well served major airport: Mickey's Corporate Office. Given that Florida's Gulf Coast tends to be more of a Midwesterner haven, it is all the more remarkable that B6 successfully serves SRQ from JFK, BOS, and even LGA. As East Coast folk tend to have more affinity to Florida's eastern Atlantic shores, I should think DAB would do just as well as SRQ, if not better, if served in similar fashion by B6...

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 1):
If they started this service, DL would start it as well.

Not necessarily. They didn't bother to start JFK-ABQ when B6 announced that, for example. But, given that DL cares much more about NYC-Florida than NYC-Albuquerque, you are probably right.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 1):
They would both lose a lot of money because the route is too big for 2 carriers.

B6 would pull out.

DL would then end the nonstop JFK or LGA flight

Enjoy ATL.

Well, DL did add nonstop LGA-DAB on their own accord, albeit a peak season (2 month) weekly flight. Saturday happens to be the only day LGA doesn't have slots, but I don't think slots are really the issue for DL anyway. It seems DL has more JFK and LGA slots than they really know what to do with these days, and perhaps DAB could be more profitable out of NYC than this new stuff they're trying like DSM and YQB  .

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 2):
I think B6 has enough recognition on both ends to hold their own.

Yes, but that's only one thing to consider. B6 probably already gets plenty of Daytona-bound folks on its existing MCO flights - are these folks willing to pay some kind of premium for the convenience of service into DAB? B6 has to be able to justify the expense of opening the new station and then covering its costs. Unlike DAB's previous LCC tenant FL, B6 isn't in the business of trying all kinds of new markets and quickly shutting down the ones that aren't working out. B6 has only closed a handful of stations in its history - like WN, they don't willy nilly enter a market and then hope it works out. Also, consider the opportunity cost of aircraft and NYC (JFK, perhaps LGA) slots. If the plane or slots can be put to more profitable use, DAB won't be considered even if it would seemingly be profitable...

Quoting thorntot (Reply 3):
I wonder if the same incentives were offered to United

Most airports are much more interested in getting new service from LCC than legacies. New LCC service tends to lower fares much more substantially than new legacy service. If PMCO didn't want to resume DAB service, I highly doubt the new UA will. UA seems to have a much more PMUA view of Florida - a low-yielding place to be served in as minimal a fashion as possible - than CO, which considered Florida as one of the most important non-hub components of its network.

Quoting apodino (Reply 4):
But...could B6 also launch a BOS-DAB frequency as well? Not sure there would be as much demand as NYC, but during events like Bike Week and speedweeks, BOS-DAB could work.

Of course they could. If they are willing to serve CHS from BOS, I'd be willing to be they'd give DAB a go from BOS too.

Quoting apodino (Reply 4):
One other thing to note is now that there is an AA/US merger, they could conceivably take a stab at the route as well, since they already serve the market from CLT.

AA is no longer in the business of serving leisure markets from NYC. They seem perfectly content with letting DL and B6 handle that. AA used to do a fair bit of LGA-Florida flying, but now their LGA slots not being used for hub services support business markets like ATL, CLT, and MSP. They'll probably keep most of the remaining US LGA operation intact (Shuttle to BOS and DCA, mainline to CLT, regional to PIT), with excess LGA slots being used today for stuff like US LGA-PHL at absurdly high frequency and AA's now redundant LGA-CLT they can start serving stuff like CVG, IND, and ORF from the preferred LGA rather than JFK. This, in turn, could free up some JFK slots for more transatlantic, Latin American, or perhaps even transpacific services...

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
I think UA could (re) launch EWR-DAB and EWR-SRQ with ERJ-170s.

They'd have to cut some existing EWR flights to provide slots for such services, though.

Quoting dabpit (Reply 7):

There was talk of adding BOS at the same time as JFK or shortly after and if both those routes do well then there is a high possibility for SJU but I wouldn't bet on the DAB-SJU route.

JFK/BOS-DAB, sure. DAB-SJU? You can't be serious. JAX-SJU and PBI-SJU are one thing, DAB-SJU is quite another. After we see them add PVD-SJU, BWI-SJU, ORD-SJU, PHL-SJU, RDU-SJU and ISP-SJU then maybe they'd look into it...

Quoting dabpit (Reply 7):
It would be nice to see an airline serve the west coast. Maybe DL or UA to LAX or UA to SFO

Lmao. UA doesn't even serve TPA from SFO, and that is a relatively strong station for them (in terms of Florida, anyhow). DL tried LAX-JAX to no avail, LAX-DAB wouldn't stand a chance.

Quoting panam330 (Reply 8):
IAD didn't flop. UA was pissed that DAB gave FL a subsidy for BWI service and wouldn't give it to them for IAD, so they packed up and left.

If there was really a market for DAB from the D.C./Maryland area, wouldn't US be offering DCA-DAB by now?

Quoting panam330 (Reply 8):
DL will very likely add a permanent LGA or JFK run if B6 comes to town. It'll be a repeat of when FL flew DAB-LGA. DL adds, they both lose money, they both pull the route, and DL funnels everybody through ATL again. I hope B6's strength in Florida and NYC (and connecting points beyond) keeps them in the market. I know I'll personally benefit from the service!

The difference is that FL was an unknown in the New York market, while B6 is a local favorite. Having taken FL's CAK-LGA, I can assure you that they rely on the CAK point of sale to fill the flights, there are few if any New Yorkers on them. FL had no brand recognition or FF presence on either end of the LGA-DAB route, so it's no wonder it failed. B6 would at least have a big pool of loyal New Yorkers behind their cause, and they'd probably be the talk of the town on the Daytona Beach end of things...

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 10):
But this time B6 has a lot of connecting opportunities on the other end.

Atlanta and Charlotte have a lot of connecting opportunities. New York is all about O&D, though a handful of markets like BOS, BTV, BUF, PWM, ROC, and SYR would be accessible through JFK. With the possible exception of ORD, nobody in their right mind would connect to/from Florida through New York to anywhere else in their network!



Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4896 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 1):

Yes, it was much better with the CAB. JetBlue wouldn't even exist, WN would have 20 planes and no destinations outside TX and it would cost $500 to fly lga-dab each way.


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16866 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4846 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 11):
They'd have to cut some existing EWR flights to provide slots for such services, though.

They're going to 16x daily EWR-LAX and 16x daily EWR-SFO, I think they have the ability to source slots.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4278 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4598 times:

Quoting panam330 (Reply 8):

IAD didn't flop. UA was pissed that DAB gave FL a subsidy for BWI service and wouldn't give it to them for IAD, so they packed up and left.

That is the official explanation from UA, but believe me if the route was making money they would not have abandoned it, unless they are real stupid.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 11):
The difference is that FL was an unknown in the New York market, while B6 is a local favorite. Having taken FL's CAK-LGA, I can assure you that they rely on the CAK point of sale to fill the flights, there are few if any New Yorkers on them. FL had no brand recognition or FF presence on either end of the LGA-DAB route, so it's no wonder it failed. B6 would at least have a big pool of loyal New Yorkers behind their cause, and they'd probably be the talk of the town on the Daytona Beach end of things...

Exactly. B6 has a strong following on both ends of this, and could make something like 3X daily on the E190 work.


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4451 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
you can NOT buy a NY Post in the DAB area.

100% FALSE; Local grocery stores and gas stations sell the NY Post in the DAB area.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 11):
If there was really a market for DAB from the D.C./Maryland area, wouldn't US be offering DCA-DAB by now?

Actually it seemed that BWI was FL's best performer at DAB.

Quoting dabpit (Reply 7):
Maybe UA would do DAB-EWR and/or DAB-CLE

UA has a bit of a grudge against DAB, and has had one since 2008. See the subsidy comment.

Quoting xpfg (Reply 9):
Wow, I had no idea about this. It's been a while since they've even considered it, but sure enough, it's there as Saturday service on an E70.

I made a thread about it a month ago.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 11):
With the possible exception of ORD, nobody in their right mind would connect to/from Florida through New York to anywhere else in their network!

Then again, no one has nice things to say about ATL either. Plus if jetBlue has a loyal customer base in these markets (and I bet you they do), they would be willing anyway.

Quoting panam330 (Reply 8):
I know I'll personally benefit from the service!

You and me both.

People WILL pay the premium to fly JFK-DAB/DAB-JFK over MCO. The Daytona Beach International Airport has a very good reputation with air service aside. Everyone I have met down there has said "If only they flew out of Daytona" or "If they started a flight from Daytona to XXX I would definitely use it" so if JetBlue started JFK-DAB, area visitors and residents WILL choose DAB over MCO.

[Edited 2013-02-16 15:37:38]

[Edited 2013-02-16 15:47:33]


In Loving Memory of Casey Edward Falconer; May 16, 1992-May 9, 2012
User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4360 times:

Quoting dabpit (Reply 7):
It would be nice to see an airline serve the west coast. Maybe DL or UA to LAX or UA to SFO

Thats a pipe dream. Being that a good percentage of flyers out of DAB are ERAU students, most are from the eastern half of the country. More than likely if you were from the west coast attending Riddle you would attend at Prescott AZ instead.

I think back in the day prior to 9/11 Either Continental had ERJ flights once a week to IAH or Delta with CRJ flights to DFW - can't recall which, it didn't last very long and that is the furthest west that they attempted. TPA doesn't even have flights to the west coast, nor does JAX. I think MCO is too oversaturated on west coast routes as it is with Virgin America, United and American.


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6436 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 17):

Ummmmm.....DL flies TPA-LAX

Has for quite some time



Im guessing LAX counts as west coast



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21626 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4168 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 11):
Well, B6 clearly has no problem serving SRQ, a relatively small Florida beach market in the shadows of nearby TPA. DAB is rather similar to SRQ; it is a well-known and popular destination in its own right that suffers with respect to air service due to its close proximity to a very well served major airport: Mickey's Corporate Office. Given that Florida's Gulf Coast tends to be more of a Midwesterner haven, it is all the more remarkable that B6 successfully serves SRQ from JFK, BOS, and even LGA. As East Coast folk tend to have more affinity to Florida's eastern Atlantic shores, I should think DAB would do just as well as SRQ, if not better, if served in similar fashion by B6...

There's a whole lot more money in SRQ than there is in DAB, which explains why it can support NYC service and DAB will probably not be able to. The reality is that unless you like NASCAR or are on spring break (both of which are highly seasonal and low-yielding) or are there with your motorcycle (in which case you probably aren't going to be flying in), there's not a whole lot going on in DAB.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlinexpfg From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 633 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 18):
I visit daytona beach shores oftrn...cvs has it...pubkix does not

I live in Shores. It's at Publix.

Quoting Mir (Reply 21):
There's a whole lot more money in SRQ than there is in DAB, which explains why it can support NYC service and DAB will probably not be able to. The reality is that unless you like NASCAR or are on spring break (both of which are highly seasonal and low-yielding) or are there with your motorcycle (in which case you probably aren't going to be flying in), there's not a whole lot going on in DAB.

I'm no know it all in all of this, but my assumption is that DAB could support this service. It wouldn't be high frequency, but it would be sustainable (as CO had it back in the day from EWR). The New York/Jersey area traffic from Daytona is a very large market (top 2 or 3 if I'm not mistaken).

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 17):
I made a thread about it a month ago.

Unfortunately the search function does very little justice here, so easily missed.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 17):
I think back in the day prior to 9/11 Either Continental had ERJ flights once a week to IAH or Delta with CRJ flights to DFW - can't recall which, it didn't last very long and that is the furthest west that they attempted.

Both. I flew the DFW-DAB leg on a DL CRJ-200 way back when. Not sure how long it lasted.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 1):

If they started this service, DL would start it as well.

You dont know that


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4036 times:

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 15):
100% FALSE; Local grocery stores and gas stations sell the NY Post in the DAB area.

NY Post or NY Times? I never seen the NY Post down here - but the NY Times is everywhere.

Quoting xpfg (Reply 19):
Unfortunately the search function does very little justice here, so easily missed.

Not sure how I got quoted on that because I didn't do a thread on it a month ago.

Quoting xpfg (Reply 19):
Both. I flew the DFW-DAB leg on a DL CRJ-200 way back when. Not sure how long it lasted.

It was before I attended ERAU from 2003-2006. I am thinking it was in the 1990s back when DAB was strong - mainline US service to CLT, mainline AA service to RDU etc.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 17):
Ummmmm.....DL flies TPA-LAX

Has for quite some time

What are the loads on it? 737-800 I suppose? I thought that got dropped a while back.

TPA is still a much bigger metro area than DAB.

Unless Allegiant with its new Airbuses could start a route 1X a week between DAB-LAX for dirt cheap that would be lower than VX, UA, AA out of MCO - there is nothing that would fly DAB-LAX/SFO otherwise because any plane that range would have at least 130 seats, about 100 too many for that route. American Eagle can't even run a 35 seat ERJ-135 between DAB-MIA, and ERAU has a lot of South American/Carribean students that could take Eagle for connections in MIA instead of the 3-4 drive down there.


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6436 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4022 times:

Its an A320, but they were using a 738 a few months ago & 757 years ago. Its been reduced to 1 flight, down from 2.....BUT ITS STILL THERE!!!!!!!  .....



& we have Cayman too!  



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3941 times:

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 15):
People WILL pay the premium to fly JFK-DAB/DAB-JFK over MCO. The Daytona Beach International Airport has a very good reputation with air service aside. Everyone I have met down there has said "If only they flew out of Daytona" or "If they started a flight from Daytona to XXX I would definitely use it" so if JetBlue started JFK-DAB, area visitors and residents WILL choose DAB over MCO.

This is a common fallacy that you hear in many markets trying to attract service. There are so many examples out there of people claiming that they will use a service, even if it costs a little more, only to drive to another airport in an effort to save the money they previously claimed to be willing to spend for the local flight.

I believe some people will pay for the DAB-JFK flight, but I don't think it is 1) as many as you think, and 2) enough to make the service viable on a daily basis year round. Just my opinion on the matter.



I want to live in an old and converted 727...
User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3925 times:

Quoting xpfg (Reply 19):
The New York/Jersey area traffic from Daytona is a very large market (top 2 or 3 if I'm not mistaken).

It is actually number 1 with ATL and CLT aside. This has been consistent for decades.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 21):
NY Post or NY Times? I never seen the NY Post down here - but the NY Times is everywhere.

Both I'm pretty sure. My mother lives in the DAB area and buys the post everyday for my grandmother.

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 23):
This is a common fallacy that you hear in many markets trying to attract service. There are so many examples out there of people claiming that they will use a service, even if it costs a little more, only to drive to another airport in an effort to save the money they previously claimed to be willing to spend for the local flight.

I believe some people will pay for the DAB-JFK flight, but I don't think it is 1) as many as you think, and 2) enough to make the service viable on a daily basis year round. Just my opinion on the matter.

First off, gas prices are through the roof and for people to save the gas and pay the premium to fly out of Daytona is probably more of a reality now. Second, DAB really has no premium over Orlando these days. If you look in the article the cost to fly DL's nonstop LGA-DAB flight is less expensive than the cost to MCO. I fly to DAB 2-4 times per year. I always avoid MCO, though I do compare airfares between DAB and MCO. Price wise, DAB has won consistently lately. There is no more premium to fly out of DAB over MCO. With JetBlue in DAB, fares will go down even more so then there really won't be a premium.



In Loving Memory of Casey Edward Falconer; May 16, 1992-May 9, 2012
25 Post contains images xpfg : Somewhat off topic, but I also note DCA-DAB service active on the route map for US Air right now, and it looks like several flights have operated yest
26 NASCARAirforce : Off topic but is Edelweiss still flying there? (before we confuse anyone - we are talking about TPA and Cayman is an inside joke for years between 72
27 xpfg : I figured it may be the case. US Air hasn't ever done this in the past speed weeks (DCA), so I'm usually just used to seeing the Airbuses and Boeings
28 LHCVG : Not necessarily - it could have been making money in the strict sense of covering it's costs and contributing a bit to the overall UA till, but not u
29 LONGisland89 : Yup, once weekly on Fridays.
30 enilria : The real problem with Daytona, is that outside of NASCAR fans the Daytona brand is totally dead. It was a spring break place (students need to fly bec
31 NASCARAirforce : I think in years past there would be US CRJs from PHL and LGA to DAB during speed weeks, but then again I could be wrong. I didn't realize 757 has be
32 cessna53996 : B6 starting up at DAB would be a great thing, it would give Embry-Riddle students from the Northeast easier connections. I've talked to a Riddle stude
33 jfklganyc : I lived there during all 3. No need to bring any of them back sans Bike Week. The bikers are usually professionals (doctors, lawyers, etc) that spend
34 xpfg : Not that I'm aware. I usually keep an eye on it, but something may have slipped by. Yes, year round, and Daytona has been all mainline aircraft daily
35 panam330 : US has done a [very] spotty LGA turn in the past (pre-DL slot swap), but I don't recall ever seeing PHL. DCA has happened in the past, again very spo
36 dabpit : Approx. 360 people fly west within a week out of DAB the majority to CA. That does not take into account people that would make connections. That is
37 Mir : None of which could make the trip non-stop. So you'd have to connect anyway, and ATL is right there to do that. -Mir
38 dabpit : ATL is not always the best place to connect.
39 JBAirwaysFan : Oh absolutely there was. However in 2013, MCO and DAB are level playing fields in terms of pricing. MCO has routinely cost more money from NY over DA
40 NASCARAirforce : I remember when I was on spring break - we got a great deal on hotels, jammed as many people in, bought some fast food and maybe spent money at clubs
41 JBAirwaysFan : Yup, they did it for the Christmas Season in 2006 and 2007 followed by a Seasonal Spring flight for 2008 when AirTran flew it. The other thing I noti
42 Deltal1011man : Compared to Delta? unlikely. (I mean, B6 doesn't even fly into DAB, Delta does) Daily LAX-TPA 320 on Delta. 2x Daily LAX-MCO on Delta. 738 sometimes
43 JBAirwaysFan : They're actually pretty well known in the DAB area, and with a much better reputation than Delta. Don't let the fact that they don't fly there fool y
44 STT757 : I stayed with my family at the Daytona Beach Marriott during Spring Break 1992, MTV Spring Break was at our hotel. Daytona Beach back then reminded m
45 JBAirwaysFan : I love Flagler Beach! It reminds me a lot of some Long Island towns along the South Shore. Freeport and Long Beach come to mind. Similar style houses
46 KEWR2014 : Was driving by KDAB last night around 2100 and there was a JetBlue E190 at the gate ramp. I don't think it was a diversion from KMCO as weather condit
47 NASBWI : It could've been a charter to DAB, or less likely (since MCO is close by), a maintenance or medically-related diversion.
48 JBAirwaysFan : From what I have heard by reliable people is that DAB is under very serious consideration by jetBlue, and it seems like market planning is leaning tow
49 xpfg : You sure with was B6? There was an F9 there yesterday for the fairly normal Atlantic City charter, and I believe a DL E170 for the LGA flight, but th
50 Post contains images KEWR2014 : Here's a somewhat fuzzy pic my friend managed to take. If you look closely its a B6 embraer
51 mesaflyguy : On the topic of flight upguages/charters: Today, US Airways brought in an a321 on the RON, with the other flights being regional jets, DL was mostly 7
52 KPWMSpotter : The B6 E-190 was a diversion from JAX. There was an isolated band of weather over JAX on Saturday night; they were only on the ground for about an ho
53 JBAirwaysFan : That E-175 was also the start of LGA service for the next month. Departure time was 7 PM for LGA.
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
New York Magazine Gives JetBlue High Praise posted Thu Mar 30 2000 04:25:37 by Pilot1113
JetBlue Terminal In NY Evacuated For Package Scare posted Mon Sep 22 2008 05:22:49 by Skeee1
JetBlue To Daytona Beach!? posted Wed Jun 11 2008 13:51:14 by 797
CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw? posted Sat Jun 3 2006 21:40:05 by JerseyGuy
MIA Plans Incentive Program; JetBlue May Land Soon posted Wed Mar 30 2005 22:02:27 by MAH4546
JetBlue Gives Port Authority Ultimatum posted Tue Aug 12 2003 15:25:28 by Frequentflier
JetBlue Hiring Flight Attendants posted Thu Feb 7 2013 17:54:58 by icebird757
Jetblue Tail Designs-do They Change Them Around? posted Mon Feb 4 2013 20:02:10 by doulasc
JetBlue To Launch ORD/PHL/BWI-SJU? posted Thu Jan 24 2013 20:21:19 by jetbluefan1
JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO posted Wed Jan 16 2013 11:56:23 by mah4546