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TN A340 Parked At LAX  
User currently offlineazncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 697 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 13043 times:

I flew out of LAX a few days ago notice three parked Air Tahiti Nui A340-300 parked over at Imperial Terminal. One of the plane's engine is covered. Anybody know why, the one with the engine covered has been parked for a while now.

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User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1728 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12529 times:

Too much planes, not enough work. Low utilization as result.

TN has been trying to get rid of an A340 and reduce fleet, but no one wants such aircraft.

They have also tried to offer charters using spare capacity.


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1984 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12275 times:

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 1):

Too many planes? Don't they only have 5???



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User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1041 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12256 times:
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Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 2):

Too many planes? Don't they only have 5???

Yes they have "only" 5 but a study showed they only need 3.5 planes to do all their work... So they are trying to offload 1 plane from the fleet...



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User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1728 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12125 times:

Cutting lines to JFK, KIX, and SYD a few years ago has left TN with too many planes.

They have tried to do things like fly charters (they had 1 plane leased to UK military for extended period), and more recently just fly for Air Calin.

But in last year excess capacity has become more acute as airline reduce frequencies to stem continued loss making.

Used A340 model not very popular so excess aircraft is stuck in fleet still.


User currently offlinedcajet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 446 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10384 times:

Saw one in Buenos Aires/EZE not that long ago - it was operating for Conviasa on its CCS-EZE-CCS service.

Rgds,



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User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1728 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9899 times:

TN schedule has been trimmed. For current schedule 3 frames sufficient.

Here is what they have at current time.
PPT - LAX - 8x
PPT - NRT - 2x
PPT - AKL - 2x
LAX - CDG - 3x

If anyone wants a A340 please send proposal.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9546 times:

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 6):
If anyone wants a A340 please send proposal.

Let me find out how many beer cans can be made from an A-343 first, then I'll think about it.


User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10350 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9180 times:

Quoting azncsa4qf744er (Thread starter):
I flew out of LAX a few days ago notice three parked Air Tahiti Nui A340-300 parked over at Imperial Terminal.

In my recent experience, there are always Tahiti Nui A340s parked over there. Sometimes 1, sometimes 2. Can't say I've seen 3 of them at one time, but.....



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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3583 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8819 times:

Why did they cut JFK? You'd think they would be able to fill the planes several times weekly with tourists/vacation passengers. NZ does very well flying to the Cook Islands strictly because it's a high-end vacation destination!!


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User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1728 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8420 times:

JFK turned out to be a terrible mistake for TN.

Company reported loads merely 30-40% at most times. Even peak periods did not break 60%.

As company discovered, New York is very far away and 12-hour flight very expensive to operate.

They tried for almost 4-years to make it work with various promotions but all it did was create terrible loss, the worst of any company line in history. When they end in 2009 they said it was generating a €5.87m loss in previous year.

Keeping US focus on LAX is best. Most South Pacific demand has natural and historic traffic link to California, not deep America like NY.


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1984 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8380 times:

Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 3):
Yes they have "only" 5 but a study showed they only need 3.5 planes to do all their work... So they are trying to offload 1 plane from the fleet...

Wow, I had no idea.

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 4):
Cutting lines to JFK, KIX, and SYD a few years ago has left TN with too many planes.
Quoting mercure1 (Reply 6):
TN schedule has been trimmed. For current schedule 3 frames sufficient.

I also didn't know KIX and SYD were cut. With most routes only operating twice a week, I can see how only 3 planes are needed. Sad.



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User currently onlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2371 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8380 times:

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 9):
Why did they cut JFK? You'd think they would be able to fill the planes several times weekly with tourists/vacation passengers. NZ does very well flying to the Cook Islands strictly because it's a high-end vacation destination!!

The Cook Islands are also about 4-5 hours away from New Zealand (and usually operated with an A320). Not ~12 hours away on a 300 seat jet. That is way too far/expensive for most Americans with limited vacation time when there are other choices much closer.

[Edited 2013-02-15 18:44:08]

User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8047 times:

Is there a reason why TN doesn't try PPT-HNL and PPT-SFO.?

Also, how about a codeshared service to Sao Paulo in association with TAM and Air NZ?


User currently offlineB777A340Fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7957 times:

Why not add other flights? I can see SIN, PEK, SFO being strong contenders.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7913 times:

Let's not forget that one of the routes TN flies is a continuation from one route. Also, some routing are like NRT-PPT-AKL (after a layover in PPT and flight number change)

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
Quoting mercure1 (Reply 6):
If anyone wants a A340 please send proposal.

Let me find out how many beer cans can be made from an A-343 first, then I'll think about it.

   If i had the money, i'd buy it, re-engine it, certify it, and use it as my own private jet.



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User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1728 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7591 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 13):
Is there a reason why TN doesn't try PPT-HNL and PPT-SFO.?

SFO has been tried many times - UTA, Minerve, Corsair. Seems unsuccessful in favor of mega LAX demand.

Hawaii - well HA seems to be stuck at single frequency here for 10+ years now. I dont think there is much traffic to warrant also TN A340. FP government even talked about Aloha here with 737 many years ago but nothing happen.

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 14):
Why not add other flights? I can see SIN, PEK, SFO being strong contenders.

Dont think Singapore.

But China eventually but market is still baby.
Tahiti opened tourism office in Shanghai couple years ago. There was talk of offering charter flights maybe but nothing happen. Also remember China is very far from French Polynesia is almost 11,000km, PEK almost 12,000km. Flights of 13hr in duration.


But now not time to open expensive/risky new lines. Company barely stay alive, and need to reduce loss on exisiting smaller network in face of reduced demand.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7405 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 12):
The Cook Islands are also about 4-5 hours away from New Zealand (and usually operated with an A320). Not ~12 hours away on a 300 seat jet.

NZ still flies a weekly RAR-LAX non stop with a 763.

Quoting Polot (Reply 12):
NZ does very well flying to the Cook Islands strictly because it's a high-end vacation destination!!

I'm not convinced that it does very well. The goverment make up the losses with subsides. But it is the cooks only direct US link by air atleast.


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1984 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5776 times:

Would TN have benefited from getting 777s vs A340s?

From the fake airliner site:



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5031 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 18):

Would TN have benefited from getting 777s vs A340s?

No.

They got the tax advantages for buying a French product.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4987 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 18):
Would TN have benefited from getting 777s vs A340s?

A half empty 777 is as bad as a half empty A340, so a definite no. Its not the plane type, its the schedule and route structure. Tahiti and its neighbour islands are expensive places to spend a holiday and therefore dont attract huge crowds.


User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1586 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4962 times:

They should phone the guys having all the B 787 grounded.    

User currently offlinepetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4929 times:

Isn't Surinam Airways still in the market for a second A340?


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User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4924 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 8):

In my recent experience, there are always Tahiti Nui A340s parked over there. Sometimes 1, sometimes 2. Can't say I've seen 3 of them at one time, but.....

I think 4 is the most I've ever seen there, with one at the gate, one at Imperial & two at Remote West.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4884 times:
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Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 18):
Would TN have benefited from getting 777s vs A340s

They probably got cheap financing from Airbus or the French Gocernment since they are a French Territory.


25 dcajet : They should get in contact with AR! On a related note, AR just renewed the lease of A340-312 LV-CEK with AWAS.
26 trex8 : And they probably didn't want to deal with etops issues.
27 azncsa4qf744er : Flew out again today and still saw one A340 parked by Qantas Freight terminal with its engine covered. Any info on this particular bird?
28 Darksnowynight : Not a lot of detailed info, but I know the engines are always covered if they're going to be on the ground more than a day or so. My guess is that it
29 TC957 : Could a service to ICN not work for TN ? Maybe twice-weekly like NRT. Good point about trying to see if airlines with grounded 787's might need extra
30 LAXintl : I'm not sure what additional info you would like? As others mentioned TN has been parking spare capacity for periods at LAX now for many months. If yo
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