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Man Slaps Infant On DL Flight

JoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 197 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9428 times:

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Have not heard about this before..

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/baby-slapped-on-plane-571923

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dtwlax From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9260 times:

Seems like a bogus story.
A guy in 16C gets up and sees a guy in 28A slapping a kid? All this on final descent?
If he did get up to investigate, why did the FA's not do anything? Did they just let him walk over to row 28 when the plane is about to land?

ridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9222 times:

Quoting dtwlax (Reply 1):
Seems like a bogus story.
A guy in 16C gets up and sees a guy in 28A slapping a kid? All this on final descent?
If he did get up to investigate, why did the FA's not do anything? Did they just let him walk over to row 28 when the plane is about to land?

I was thinking the same thing. With it on descent and 12 rows back?

mesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8731 times:

I do find it kind of funny that I read this while watching "World's Dumbest Hillbillies"!

I don't know if the story is completely bogus. The guy who investigated could have seen it happen for FAs could reach him or maybe the FAs weren't paying attention at the time? You never know.

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phatfarmlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1322 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7188 times:

Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 2):

I was thinking the same thing. With it on descent and 12 rows back?

In this situation, there will be some individuals who will put themselves in harm's way to investigate matters like this. Maybe the person was ex-military, or it could have been an air marshal and are used to this type of risk. Some individuals will not just stand around if a fight breaks out, even if the plane is on short final; call it human instincts.

planeguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1067 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7116 times:

Here's the CNN version of the story

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/15/travel...g-boy-assault/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

I want to live in an old and converted 727...

Polot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7051 times:

Quoting dtwlax (Reply 1):
Seems like a bogus story.

Well that is written in the FBI agent's affidavit.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 3):
I don't know if the story is completely bogus. The guy who investigated could have seen it happen for FAs could reach him or maybe the FAs weren't paying attention at the time? You never know.

Row 28 is basically right in the middle of the economy cabin. The FAs probably weren't any closer to the incident. And remember it is the passenger who said the “aircraft was in final descent.” Your guess in how close they were to actually landing is as good as mine. They could have been at 10,000 feet still for all we know.

Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 4):
In this situation, there will be some individuals who will put themselves in harm's way to investigate matters like this. Maybe the person was ex-military, or it could have been an air marshal and are used to this type of risk. Some individuals will not just stand around if a fight breaks out, even if the plane is on short final; call it human instincts.

It should also be noted that according to the affidavit (and the article for those who didn't look at the source document) the mother got assistance from several passengers. The man in 16C just so happened to be explicitly mentioned (in other words he talked to the investigating FBI agent).

[Edited 2013-02-16 06:59:32]

srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (3 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6606 times:

I know that at one time or another we've all probably wanted to smack a crying child on a flight, but common sense prevailed and we stayed in our seat. There are conflicting reports regarding his alcohol consumption on the flight, as the article about the incident on the Atlanta Journal-Constitution website mentions that the woman whose child was slapped said he consumed several drinks while the Smoking Gun piece quotes him as having a single drink on the flight. That being said, he could have consumed drinks before the flight at MSP or maybe on the flight to MSP from Idaho. His prior assault conviction in Virginia will definitely be brought up during the proceedings.

cschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6399 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 6):
And remember it is the passenger who said the “aircraft was in final descent.” Your guess in how close they were to actually landing is as good as mine. They could have been at 10,000 feet still for all we know.

Exactly...could have been just starting to descend from cruise. Even F/A's often announce "...we've been cleared to land..." when the plane still is nowhere near the airport, to get people to buckle up, turn off the electronics, etc.

dtwlax From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 4):
or it could have been an air marshal and are used to this type of risk.

I am not sure air marshals would blow their cover for something like this. The FAs can handle this easily.

Quoting Polot (Reply 6):
Row 28 is basically right in the middle of the economy cabin. The FAs probably weren't any closer to the incident.

The FAs were certainly closer to row 28 than the guy in row 16. The aircraft was a MD90 so the FAs are not all the way back of the plane.

Quoting cschleic (Reply 10):
Exactly...could have been just starting to descend from cruise.

Well, beginning to descend from cruise is called initial descent , not final.

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