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Rumor Of DL/AS Squabble  
User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7423 posts, RR: 50
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16170 times:
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Rumor has it that there was an ALPA/Company meeting yesterday/the day before and that DL made a proposal to AS or DL has been irked by AS recent incursions into DL's markets or AS and AA recent agreements, something went down which got a negative response. Now it appears, from what was said. that DL maybe add a narrowbody pilot base, (either 737/M90/717) in SEA and may add more flights into traditional AS markets and that this is one of the 1st strikes, along with LAX-SEA going mainline in the summer
DL To Start LAX-ANC/BOS/GEG (by FL787 Feb 13 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Now I stress, this is just rumor, but interesting nonetheless


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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9672 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16014 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Thread starter):

Rumor has it that there was an ALPA/Company meeting yesterday/the day before and that DL made a proposal to AS or DL has been irked by AS recent incursions into DL's markets or AS and AA recent agreements, something went down which got a negative response. Now it appears, from what was said. that DL maybe add a narrowbody pilot base, (either 737/M90/717) in SEA and may add more flights into traditional AS markets and that this is one of the 1st strikes, along with LAX-SEA going mainline in the summer

Not to get into detail but some talk of this about a year and a half ago.

but I'll believe it when i see it. When the base opens and delta starts adding then I'll jump on board. till then..... meh



yep.
User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4102 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16004 times:

If DL wanted to pick a fight with someone AS is the wrong target. AS would immediately get in bed with AA, cut off all codesharing and immediately make SEA untenable for DL's transpacific routes. DL would be cutting off their nose to spite their face.

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2940 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15952 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
If DL wanted to pick a fight with someone AS is the wrong target. AS would immediately get in bed with AA, cut off all codesharing and immediately make SEA untenable for DL's transpacific routes. DL would be cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Agreed. I'm picturing (exaggerated of course) a Real Housewives of the Airlines having a screaming match over cocktails.


User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15743 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):

If DL wanted to pick a fight with someone AS is the wrong target. AS would immediately get in bed with AA, cut off all codesharing and immediately make SEA untenable for DL's transpacific routes.

Seems to me that AA's bed is busy enough right now to deal with another partner coming into play.

AS equally gains from DL funneling passengers to AS flights to SEA and PDX, so it's not like Alaska is doing this for charity or to help out DL, it's a mutual benefit thing. And all the arguments as to why a DL/AS merger would not work out hold true for AA/AS as well.

In any case, it does not seem wise for either DL or AS to completely concede a market to the other party, so it seems wise for both to "invade" routes previously only flown by one partner. Routes like LAX-SEA on DL metal will be much appreciated by DL's frequent flyer base in the west coast.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15557 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Thread starter):

Now I stress, this is just rumor, but interesting nonetheless

Their schedule changes seem to reflect a squabble. LAXSEA on DL, then additional LAXSEA on AS, then LAXSJC and ATLANC on DL, then LAXANC/GEG--I can't remember when the AA+AS announcement fit in but it was in there too. I think there's definitely something to the rumor. At some point DL is going to have to do something in SEA if it is going to be a Tpac hub--AS is not going to cut it as a source of passengers in the long run.



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User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 662 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15512 times:

The fact that DL is adding capacity in routes like LAX-SEA is not a friendly sign IMO. AA could have done it years ago as they were bigger than DL in LAX, and despite that, they let that route exclusively for AS. The same could be said about AS moving their SEA-MIA to FLL and then AA starting SEA-MIA in their own metal, until that happened SEA was the largest metropolitan area without non-stop service from MIA with AA metal but they didn't add any flight.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
If DL wanted to pick a fight with someone AS is the wrong target. AS would immediately get in bed with AA, cut off all codesharing and immediately make SEA untenable for DL's transpacific routes. DL would be cutting off their nose to spite their face.

The big problem here for AA is that they don't have aircraft for starting the routes DL currently serves from SEA to Asia, so I don't see that happening.


User currently offlineNWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1128 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15453 times:
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I do not think any US "mega carrier" would want to merge with or take over Alaska Airlines. Alaska Airlines basically serves an essential service to some of the state of Alaska's more remote destinations. I also think the federal government would strongly oppose any merger with Alaska Airlines. Alaska Airlines is needed by the people of the state of Alaska.
It's possible dismemberment would not be tolerated.   


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3245 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15446 times:

As an outsider. I've noticed the best way to monitor the proverbial pis*ing contest between AS and one of their partners if one does exist is to check the flight options to cities AS does not fly. SEA-BNA for example.

More often than not more flight options will populate with the primary partner. AS SEA-DFW and AA DFW-BNA. Every now and then I could switch to AA in SEA if I originated in Alaska (the state).

Across the last four or so years its been a partner reversal in that there are generally more DL options via ATL. SEA-ATL-BNA before AS flew to ATL or SEA-ATL-BNA on DL. It use to be AA. It used to be difficult to find a fare on DL out of SEA. Although the 767 redeye was a nice flight it left about 12:30 A.M when AA was their primary dance partner. .

Back in the day CO and NW would also populate but not like AA. It was page after page of AA options either to DFW or ORD.



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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12148 posts, RR: 49
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15419 times:
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One day the rumor is that they are buying them. Noe the honeymoon is over


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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2940 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15394 times:

Does anybody have any statistics on how much international feed AS provides to DL at SEA?

User currently offlineJetAmericaS80 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15301 times:

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 8):

This is a common myth/urban legend/misconception amongst those in the airline industry. I think this ship has sailed. AS (whether they are willing to publicly admit it or not), is no-longer "married" to it's roots in the 49th state. AS has made it clear that the future of intra-Alaska flying will be primarily in the form of QX Q400s and -400Fs, which will sooner or later be replacing the fleet of aging -400 Combis. Alaska knows that large jets will be better utilized in lower-48 flying, especially when more -400Fs come on-line. Is it sad? Yes. Is it an end to an era? Yes. But has the writing been on the wall? Yes. Alaska has shown with it's dramatic shift in capacity from Mexico to Hawaii that it will continue to adapt to the ever-changing airline environment, and will make whatever necessary changes it must to survive and remain profitable. If you sincerely think that AS will continue to dominate, serve, and in some cases over-serve cities in Alaska simply to hold true to it's name/roots/pride, you are sorely mistaken. Money talks. The environment has changed yet again, and so will AS.

Cheers,
Jetty



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5557 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15139 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
Their schedule changes seem to reflect a squabble. LAXSEA on DL, then additional LAXSEA on AS, then LAXSJC and ATLANC on DL, then LAXANC/GEG--

Don't forget AS is going to start SEA-SLC in early April... (This was announced back in early November and maybe it's the first straw on the camel's back.)

bb

[Edited 2013-02-16 14:29:30]

User currently offlinempdpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 998 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15099 times:

Quoting JetAmericaS80 (Reply 12):
This is a common myth/urban legend/misconception amongst those in the airline industry. I think this ship has sailed. AS (whether they are willing to publicly admit it or not), is no-longer "married" to it's roots in the 49th state. AS has made it clear that the future of intra-Alaska flying will be primarily in the form of QX Q400s and -400Fs, which will sooner or later be replacing the fleet of aging -400 Combis. Alaska knows that large jets will be better utilized in lower-48 flying, especially when more -400Fs come on-line. Is it sad? Yes. Is it an end to an era? Yes. But has the writing been on the wall? Yes. Alaska has shown with it's dramatic shift in capacity from Mexico to Hawaii that it will continue to adapt to the ever-changing airline environment, and will make whatever necessary changes it must to survive and remain profitable. If you sincerely think that AS will continue to dominate, serve, and in some cases over-serve cities in Alaska simply to hold true to it's name/roots/pride, you are sorely mistaken. Money talks. The environment has changed yet again, and so will AS.

Very well put!!

Everytime someone mentions AS being bought, there is this overwelming response of "DL/AA would never operate all those flights in AK." But I ask, why is AS operating them then? Airlines don't operate routes because they like them or because they feel they have some moral obligation to. Airlines operate a route because it makes money either directly or indirectly. So like JetAmericaS80 points out the success or failure of the routes in AK will be financially driven not emotionally driven. I think that is the case regardless of who is operating them.

Hey that might be an idea for a new airline. Surely AS wouldn't put up much of a fight to keep those routes... Just a thought.

A little more on topic, I don't think there is any squabble here. DL and AS are simply starting and operating routes based on where they think they can make money. And remember, they can't work together on a route. So if DL thinks that LAX-SEA needs additional seats, it is illegal for them to suggest that AS adds a flight. All they can do is add their own flight. Same with AS. if AS thinks there needs to be more seats on SEA-ATL, they have to add them their selves.

I'll call squabble when AS buys 787s and starts SEA-NRT. Until then, I think it is DL and AS building their networks where they think they can make money.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3432 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15028 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 10):
One day the rumor is that they are buying them. Noe the honeymoon is over

OK, just a few months ago the CEO's of both DL & AS meet in SEA and made a "big announcement" this was speculated to be a take over, but instead it was announced that both carriers were creating stronger ties together, DL flew a 744 in as a back drop, and AS employees in mass were solicited to attend. Now, just months later we are being told that these carriers are at each others throats and DL is going to encroach on AS's turf.

Lets be realistic, these two carriers would not have just tossed together this stuff, only to unravel it soon afterwards. IMO, AS & DL entering each others markets is a way of killing off the other carriers that fly those same routes. The combined AS & DL schedule between LAX - SEA for example, has both VX and UA on it, although they are no where close to the amount of departures DL & AS have, DL & AS can easily squash the competition together, then they can dominate a busy business market. DL putting its metal into AS country is not in retaliation, but more an act of co-operation.

These carriers did not become the powerhouses that they are, by making flimsy agreements with partners, just to toss them away in just a few months, only to get into a pissing match with each other. Like AS did to B6 on SEA-ANC, AS would offer triple miles SEA-LAX or something like that, if DL and AS were in a real pissing match.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6303 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 14967 times:

There are lots of opportunities for competing airlines to talk to each other informally and suggest opportunities. I have seen it happen over and over again


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10601 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 14766 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
and ATLANC on DL

What is so unusual about this particular route? It has been operated before as has CVG-ANC and SLC-ANC......all of them were operated before DL had any agreement with AS.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 14640 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 16):
What is so unusual about this particular route?

It was loaded pretty late for a June start, and given the back and forth between DL and AS it stood out. The route by itself is not unusual.



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9672 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14211 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
GEG
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
ATLANC

These two I don't agree with. AS doesn't fly any of these. I get that maybe it takes a few(very small) amount of people off AS but i think its kinda stretching it. JMO

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 7):

I do not think any US "mega carrier" would want to merge with or take over Alaska Airlines. Alaska Airlines basically serves an essential service to some of the state of Alaska's more remote destinations. I also think the federal government would strongly oppose any merger with Alaska Airlines. Alaska Airlines is needed by the people of the state of Alaska.

If it were true, IMO its not....but Delta can't just shut down AS flying if it is EAS. So they would have Delta flying or another carrier doing it.

Having said that, AS's cost aren't "that" much higher than Delta.



yep.
User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 13959 times:

Quoting realsim (Reply 6):

The big problem here for AA is that they don't have aircraft for starting the routes DL currently serves from SEA to Asia, so I don't see that happening.

DL flies it's international destinations from SEA with the A330-300 and 763, and as of this summer, the 744 will join. A merged AA/US has that equipment and now except for the 744, but now also has the 777-300ER. Admittedly, redeploying the US A333 on routes from SEA would require reassigning some Europe-East coast routes to 767s.

I doubt AA would look to reestablish SEA-Japan again though, having given it up in better times.

Quoting JetAmericaS80 (Reply 11):
This is a common myth/urban legend/misconception amongst those in the airline industry. I think this ship has sailed. AS (whether they are willing to publicly admit it or not), is no-longer "married" to it's roots in the 49th state. AS has made it clear that the future of intra-Alaska flying will be primarily in the form of QX Q400s and -400Fs, which will sooner or later be replacing the fleet of aging -400 Combis.

Can you point us to a source for these conclusions? Because this very much does not seem like an accurate estimation of future plans for Alaska Air Cargo.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3208 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 13878 times:

Quoting cargolex (Reply 19):
I doubt AA would look to reestablish SEA-Japan again though, having given it up in better times.

AA gave up SEA-NRT in the worst of times, not better times. They dropped it just a few months after 9/11. They dropped SJC-NRT in 2006. Those are AA's losses and NH's gains.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2940 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 13801 times:

Quoting cargolex (Reply 19):
I doubt AA would look to reestablish SEA-Japan again though, having given it up in better times.

Maybe JL will pick this up, once their 787's are flying again.


User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 13543 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 18):

Having said that, AS's cost aren't "that" much higher than Delta.

Did you mean AS's costs are lower than DL? Because AS has a CASM much lower than DL's.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7550 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 13304 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Thread starter):

From what I've heard, the new routes in AS markets are a result of AS announcing a tighter deal with AA in LAX. It could either be anger or resignation that without DL being AS primary LAX partner they need to do stuff themselves.

Otoh, if DL starts adding routes from SEA (other than LAX) then they are clearly angry.


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9672 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 13264 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 22):
Did you mean AS's costs are lower than DL? Because AS has a CASM much lower than DL's.

crap, wrong way. I don't think AS's cost are that much lower than DLs.

Or the key factor. United. I don't really understand how UA can have two west cost hubs but by some act of God DL's cost would be too high for a hub at SEA. (my personal guess is most of the people who say Delta "can't do it" really mean "I don't want Delta to do it")



yep.
25 superdash : This latest tiff seemed to start when Alaska added SEA-SLC (at what I would call Delta's best times of the day). There is no question those flights we
26 Post contains images EA CO AS : You're mistaken. AS remains committed to using mainline equipment in all intra-AK markets; Q400 flying, when it comes online, will be used to augment
27 chrisair : So QX to Alaska is a sure thing now? I've only heard the company say "if..."
28 PassedV1 : I'm not sure where you are getting your information, but not even AS management is sugar coating this like you are. The Q400's are coming to Alaska,
29 steex : I have no information about anything on the matter, but this explanation makes sense from a logic standpoint. If DL's relationship with AS is strong
30 HiFlyerAS : The fact of the matter is that AS flights LAX-SEA are packed. DL got tired of waiting for AS to add more flights so threw some RJ's on the route. No
31 Yukon880 : My residence being where it is... I look forward to your rebuttal. Yukon
32 Post contains images EA CO AS : Absolutely. I've not denied this. I have a feeling you mistakenly believe more Q400s are coming than actually are. Wrong. Mainline equipment will rem
33 toobz : If only DL and AS upper mngt could read all these rumors..lol. DL and AS are not as emotional as some people think. They will not add flights just to
34 questions : I agree. This professional relationship is based on "the motion in the ocean not the size of the boat."
35 Post contains images threeifbyair : Because that'll teach AS how to behave... If Southwest can't run the PNW routes profitably, I can't imagine DL would succeed either. Unless there is
36 woodsboy : Having worked for AS for years and seeing what intra-Alaska flying is in REALITY, AS would be shooting themselves in the head to replace ALL mainline
37 EyeSky : True, there are gate limitations for all carriers operating out of the South Satellite at SEA due to the fact it also handles all international arriv
38 ridgid727 : Curious if these flights are going to operate out of DL gates, or AA gates over on A conourse (i think AA has 2 or 3 gates) or is AS taking up the on
39 GentFromAlaska : AS has talked the talk about regional flying to Alaska since the mid to late 1990's It hasn't taken off yet. It was about the time they were prototyp
40 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : I predicted these threads would pop up when I saw the first route come online (AS SLC-SEA was it?) I don't see what is so earth shattering, they aren
41 bizjet : From Alaska's Q4 earning call: Analyst question: I think it was about a couple of months back, there was a five or six-page press release out between
42 HPRamper : I meant an exclusive codeshare...not a merger or buyout.
43 Post contains images usxguy : Regarding Q400s in Skagway - have you been there?! Wings of Alaska can sometimes have a rough time just landing the Caravan when they have to circle-t
44 tguman : Like any good partnership, there is going to be sometimes when one partner wants something the other partner is unable to provide and so the original
45 BigGSFO : I like the Q400. With Ala Carte, there's no fighting over the bins and with both front and rear doors, boarding and exiting is quicker.
46 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Are these the old WA gates? I've not flown the Q yet but my wife did and thought it was fine for a short haul. I warned her to bring her own soap, th
47 brilondon : Does the state of Alaska subsidize Alaskan on those mandated routes?
48 Post contains images HiFlyerAS : Someone's dating themself! I've worked at SEA for 32 years and I don't remember the WA gates for certain but am pretty sure they were on the B concou
49 threeifbyair : Are all of those B gates available? I was pretty sure that QX has been using B3 and I don't see B1 listed on the PoS website. WN uses B6, B8, B10, B1
50 PlanesNTrains : Western was on the "runway" side of the B gates, visible from the airport park on the west side of the airport. I remember Hughes Airwest was I belie
51 BoeingGuy : I like the Q400 also. Flew it FAT-SEA last year, which is a long haul for no shades, running water or reclining seats. It was much more tolerable tha
52 Post contains images peanuts : Let's just be clear here and let's stop kidding around shall we? DL wants (and needs) a significant presence in SEA for various reasons. They have a
53 Post contains images MaverickM11 : That could very well be true. In the short term, AS has a lot of leverage, but in the long run DL simply can not run a transpacific hub depending on
54 commavia : So if DL is intent on building SEA into not only an Asian gateway but also a true hub, and there are two ways of getting there - with or without AS -
55 slcdeltarumd11 : I think the recent MEM-SEA and LAX-SEA adds were more about Delta needing to fill seats on all of its new flights to Asia from SEA. Delta has alot of
56 PassedV1 : It doesn't have to be many. There is really not that much intra-Alaska flying. A couple of flights a day to a 1/2 dozen destinations does not require
57 slcdeltarumd11 : One thing to remember is that it is seasonal a short season at that and Very infrequent like 2 times a week or something minor. Plus LAX-ANC is not w
58 EIPremier : Its one thing to fly a Q400 between SEA and PDX. It's quite another to fly one in SE Alaska during a winter storm. I can't imagine landing in a Q400 i
59 Deltal1011man : no, but I don't believe AA is make or break for AS like some make them out to be. If Delta bought AS the Settle and LAX hubs would be just fine. Port
60 PlanesNTrains : Geez, it's starting to get bitter and personal now. Alaska is just a mid-sized airline. They are doing well now. They have a solid business. They are
61 Post contains links deltacto : Here is a terminal map of SEA from 1975: http://www.departedflights.com/SEA75.html
62 PlanesNTrains : Crazy how Alaska and United are the only two names still remaining in Seattle (or anywhere, depending on the carrier). -Dave
63 n7371f : Not sure about any type of squabble but I will add this...Alaska does spill a fair amount of traffic on LAX-SEA. They could run 20x a day in the summe
64 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Perhaps but with roundtrip fares starting at well under $200 roundtrip all in, I'm not sure how much of that spill is worth taking. Leave it to VX
65 Deltal1011man : not to go off on some rant here....but lets calm this down. Just like buying used airplanes, Delta has also done some things to push someone out of a
66 BoeingGuy : Uh no, it would be bad for more that AS fan boys. It would be bad for: 1) All the traveling public that utilizes AS's p2p routes 2) AS's employees 3)
67 EyeSky : Yes, the gates we're talking about on Concourse B (B1, 3, 5, 7 & 9) were WA gates going back to when Concourse B first opened in '64. Delta took
68 enilria : Pretty sure that isn't it. On SEA-MSP DL refused to code share initially and it took a year for DL to finally start. On SLC-SEA they code shared from
69 PIEAvantiP180 : 1 - those routes are only viable while AS costs are low, if fuel goes up to $150 again or AS costs over time go up, more then likely a lot of p2p rou
70 prost : As I see it, with the 4 recent mergers (DL-NW,UA-CO, WN-FL, US-AA) the route networks have all been enhanced for these carriers, with the glaring exce
71 yeelep : So ALPA and the Company (I assume DL) had a meeting about AS flying in DL markets and this gets blown up into a DL against AS topic. To me it seems a
72 GentFromAlaska : Ouch! and sadly true. I totally agree with you. You forgot the T-Shirts though. That takes Kahoona's Things change overtime and Bill Ayers is no long
73 hatbutton : Seems like a weak argument to make since if fuel goes up to $150/barrel, a lot of routes on every airline would be dropped and we probably wouldn't b
74 yellowtail : IMHO....AS is the most courted bride in the USA right now.....and if they want to stay independent (and not be severely pressured by their shareholder
75 enilria : I think the question going forward is whether DL has the guts to try to force a purchase of B6 past regulators. I hope to god they don't. DL is defin
76 PIEAvantiP180 : You are absolutely correct, I was just specifically mentioning p2p, state of Alaska and some smaller routes from PDX, SJC, SAN that AS is currently f
77 USAIRWAYS321 : USAir, TWA, Frontier, and Sun Country were on the original, small Concourse A through the 90s prior to the renovations. I believe America West used t
78 sxf24 : DL pilots are upset about everything. They are currently protesting the financing of additional KE widebodies and suing Ex-Im Bank. Perhaps they shoul
79 tommy767 : What about UA at SFO?
80 usxguy : Gent, no someone else mentioned the Q400s I believe into SGY. Regarding JNU-ANC, considering that almost EVERY flight is packed to the gills, I don't
81 prost : Has the UA/CO merger enhanced flying for UA in the west? I'm not familiar enough with their operations to know.
82 Post contains images Triple7Lr : Funny how Delta Pilots are singled out when Delta itself is apart of the lawsuit
83 sxf24 : DL isn't playing nice either...
84 n7371f : Right before the merger Republic flew out of C10 and C12.
85 DeltaMD90 : How so? Source? The only source I see are a bunch of a.netters starting rumors about them purchasing AS, HA, B6, etc. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sur
86 MaverickM11 : Yes. SFO and IAH are really the only hubs that have consistently grown with the merger.
87 Post contains images KaiGywer : SAS
88 Post contains images mayor : They're ALWAYS upset about everything.
89 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : The closest they get to SEA anymore is SFO. -Dave
90 BoeingGuy : SAS dropped SEA several years ago.
91 bobnwa : I believe it is Delta doing the protesting the Ex-Im bank for giving KE rates the US carriers cannot get
92 Post contains links mcmax : According to Airline Route, DL just announced LAX-PVR as well. Saturday-only service as of June 8, 2013, switching to daily service as of July 1, 2013
93 MaverickM11 : UA is too--so DL was flying it all along; it's just going to daily? Only three carriers are allowed in the market from each side.
94 mayor : That's true......the headline reads that DL has joined with ALPA and HA to sue the Ex-Im Bank.
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