DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16814 posts, RR: 57 Reply 4, posted (3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 34919 times:
Quoting musapapaya (Reply 3):
looks awesome, cant wait to jump on it for a ride and see if passengers can tell the difference!
They won't. There's enough variability from one flight to the next that the sharklets wouldn't alter the "feel" of the takeoff or landing to the passengers.
I've been on many 737's and 757's before and after winglets and it makes no difference to the passenger other than looking cool out the window.
In fact, I recently flew aboard a HA 717 and I found it rather quaint that it had no wingtip devices at all.
B747forever From United States of America, joined exactly 6 years ago today! , 16574 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 34483 times:
Quoting LH422 (Reply 6): Quoting JU068 (Reply 2):When will it join the fleet, will it be based in MUC or FRA?
According to http://www.lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa/ it and another sharklet A320 will join the fleet February 28. Don't know at which hub though.
Doesnt LH rotate their short haul birds throughout the whole system?
flyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 34424 times:
Quoting B747forever (Reply 9): Doesnt LH rotate their short haul birds throughout the whole system?
Yes, but not that often. And aircraft will be based at either FRA or MUC and fly routes from that airport. Every now and then an aircraft is moved to the other hub.
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3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 162 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 34323 times:
Quoting B747forever (Reply 9): Quoting rlwynn (Reply 7):
Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.
Boeing have winglets, Airbus have sharklets
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Its just nomenclature. Airbus couldn't call it winglets or they'd be said to be stealing the idea from Boeing. So sharklets it is.
The big advantage of the new devices is higher take-off weight, longer range and lower fuel burn. All things that airlines want. Expect a lot of A320s to be retrofitted in the next few years, so you'll see a lot more airlines with these sharklets who don't necessarily have them on order right now.
EagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1616 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 33506 times:
Quoting rlwynn (Reply 7): Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.
"What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;"
Marketing and copyright reasons. Airbus can't use the Boeing term, additionally Airbus would not want to be seen to be copying Boeing.......which is how the public may view it.
I really like the original design which was actually quite similar to a shark dorsal fin....it did look good. The final design is just like the winglets on the B737/B757
clydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 995 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 33331 times:
Quoting rlwynn (Reply 7): Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.
It's just a marketing name so they can call it anything then want. Some of the earlier designs looked more like actual shark fins but the final one chosen just ended up looking like existing designs.
I am currently in China and cannot open that link. Maybe it's too large, maybe something different. Do you have an alternative link? Was it posted on one of the typical Hamburg spotter forums?
Quoting zkojq (Reply 16): It looks fine.......but they could have made it look much better by painting the Sharklets blue and maybe even putting the Lufthansa Crane on them.
Sounds good, like TK does and - correct me if I am wrong - Condor as well.
overcast From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 118 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 32445 times:
Quoting flood (Reply 19): On that note, JetBlue just received their first sharklets and will start retrofit work on N821JB today. http://twitpic.com/c4djt2
Just to clarify, I don't think this a true retrofit. It's just replacing the wing fences with sharklets. It looks like the wing is to the current(sharklet ready) standard.
The proper retrofit, including wing mods, will not be available till later this year.
3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 162 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 32353 times:
Quoting zkojq (Reply 16): I was of the opinion that it was not a retrofit option. Obviously I must read more.
There will be two "types" of retrofits so to speak:
1. Newer A320s were built with new wing structures which which will allow for a quick switch to sharklets, no work is required on the wing structure itself. Basically this was an interim solution since testing and approval for the sharklets was not complete, however, its benefits were obvious.
2. Older A320s will need to have more extensive work done on the wing structure itself before the sharklets can be attached. Might not see too many A320s undergoing this fix, however, if I'm not mistaken airbus already has a plan ready for how this work is to be done if any airlines do opt for it.
So we should see quite a few 320s that were built in the last year or so flying with sharklets in the near future.
3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 162 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 32217 times:
Quoting overcast (Reply 20): Just to clarify, I don't think this a true retrofit. It's just replacing the wing fences with sharklets
That sounds like a retrofit, here's the definition:
ret·ro·fit (rtr-ft)
v. ret·ro·fit·ted or ret·ro·fit, ret·ro·fit·ting, ret·ro·fits
v.tr.
1. To provide (a jet, automobile, computer, or factory, for example) with parts, devices, or equipment not in existence or available at the time of original manufacture.
2. To install or fit (a device or system, for example) for use in or on an existing structure, especially an older dwelling.
v.intr.
1. To fit into or onto equipment already in existence or service.
2. To substitute new or modernized parts or systems for older equipment:
3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 162 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 30818 times:
Quoting skipness1E (Reply 23): Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 13):
Airbus couldn't call it winglets
The Airbus wide bodies have winglets.....
OK but this is the A320, not the WB. I think you have to take my comment tongue in cheek and not so literally.
25 foppishbum: Very nice! I can't wait till B6 get their A320/321 with winglets. - Wesley
26 aerdingus: Very nice, thank you! Hope it comes to DUB
27 Av8tor: JetBlue will be introducing thier first A320 with sharklets this week at a company ceremony at the hangar in JFK.
28 SocalApproach: I thought B6's A321's were going to be legacy with NO sharklets?
29 winstonlegthigh: Wouldn't it be Airbii in this case? Anyway, I guess I just like the Wingtip Fences better on the Airbus planes and Winglets for the Boeing aircraft.
30 speedygonzales: Only if Airbus changed their name to Airbius.
31 c5load: Looks like the big brother of the E-190 now!
32 foppishbum: Well, I live in Manhattan but I didn't get an invite...very bummed.
33 NASBWI: While the future orders for NEO's may have the option to convert 320s to 321s, the current order for B6's stardard A321 is with sharklets. None of th
34 atcanobbio: it looks good but they could've painted the sharklets with the color used on the tail. some one needs to tell airlines that not everything needs to pa
35 Av8tor: JetBlue wil retro all of their aircraft. The structural work will be done by business partners during heavy checks and then the sharklets will be ins
36 GuitrThree: Looks like a Boeing to me. Hey Airbus, the party started years ago.... Yep. Funny how Airbus finally figured out that the winglets of Boeing and Embr
37 Mikey86: Looks Cool! Makes the A320 certainly stand out in the crowd!
38 JeffB: Ha! Was thinking the same thing! Though, that is not bad company to be in. Seriously, that plane looks great.
39 Senchingo: Hm... They kind of rotate, but some stay at their designated hubs. Like the obvious ones - A380, B747 at FRA, A346/3 in MUC. But some get switched fr
40 DocLightning: I understand that the retrofit involves strengthening the wing to handle the increased bending moment better. How is this done?
41 lightsaber: I'm happy to see. The Sharlets took quite a bit longer to arrive on the A320 than I thought, but it is good to see them shipping. Thank you. Interesti
42 GuitrThree: Really? Airbus finally puts winglets on the A320 like Boeing and Embraer have been using for years and all of a sudden the A320 looks different from
43 werdywerd: Updated photo of the B6 A320 http://twitpic.com/c4w3a6
44 foppishbum: Thanks for sharing! I can't wait to see it at JFK when I do my commutes!
45 EagleBoy: The sharkets are optimised for performance benefits on longer sector. I guess that operators with short sectors will not require sharklets and will b
46 817Dreamliiner: Looks good, though I agree that they should have at least put the logo on it...
47 zkojq: What are the airlines going to do with all those spare Wingtip Fences once their A32X fleets have had their retrofits done?
48 vasu: People on this site will try to buy one...! But on a serious note, I reckon they'll just become spare parts for other wingtip-equipped planes
50 817Dreamliiner: Thanks for sharing that pic, hope to see it at MAN one day On another note, has anyone else realised that they dont paint the sharklet all the way to
51 EPA001: I guess every A320-operator will do the math to see if the sharklets are worth the investment for them. Maybe we will even see some split with so man
52 shamrock350: Yep, it's obviously a surface that can't be painted but it's quite a large portion so from a distance a painted sharklet looks very skinny and out of
53 flood: Thanks, great to see these A320s with sharklets popping up left and right now I think it looks great - particularly on the Jetstar bird. Just a pity
54 817Dreamliiner: Im not saying it doesn't look great, its just something ive noticed... Im really looking forward to seeing that Monarch A320 especially
55 vasu: I like the "fade-in spraypaint" effect that Monarch have used!
56 KarelXWB: The second one for Lufthansa (MSN 5497 / D-AIZQ, test reg D-AXAE) is now also outside. http://www.flickr.com/photos/xfwspotter/8495471340/
57 FlyCaledonian: Any site that lists the home base for each LH aircraft?
58 KarelXWB: Lufthansa takes delivery of its first Airbus A320 equipped with Sharklets: http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/newse...rbus-a320-equipped-with-sharklets/
59 BobMUC: Hi FlyCaledonia, the following page is in German, but you will be able to find the information about LH aircrafts and corresponding home bases: http:/
60 laca773: . I think Monarch has one of the best liveries out there right now!
61 71Zulu: Agree totally, way better and classy the way it is. Painted blue and/or logos = tacky and cheap looking.
62 rwy04lga: Then they shouldn't have put the 'thinglets' where they could be seen. Are you sure? Boeing didn't invent winglets nor name them that. Richard Whitco
63 ckfred: I thought any sort of an extension on a wingtip, other than the fence that Airbus put on older A320 series aircraft or a raked wingtip, was a winglet
64 scbriml: Because "sharklet" is way more awesomer than "winglet".
65 LH422: Saw the first one land today as DLH9922 from XFW. http://fraaviation.forumsfree.de/t10751-01032013
66 Alnicocunife: Sharklet is to nautucal, ship like. Maybe you would use it in a ditching (proven that is is not needed) Maybe they should have been called "Hermeslet"
67 tozbek: Some photos from the first flight of Lufthansa's Sharklet A320 D-AIZP today: http://kokpit.aero/index.php?route=i...e_gallery&image_gallery_id=202
68 BEG2IAH: It's incredible how this small change made A320 look ten times better. Vey nice.
69 EPA001: Yeah, sometimes minor changes make a world of difference in looks. We see it with cars all the time, but on airplanes it is quite a rare phenomenon.
71 flyingalex: This list tends to be updated more regularly than the MUC Forum list: http://klarhorst.com/Liste.htm Click the tab marked "LH Kontflotte Airbus" to g
72 factsonly: Well Sharklet A320 D-AIZP is in regular operation now, here is the list of its operational flights: - FRA-MUC 1/3 - MUC-FRA 1/3 - FRA-MUC 1/3 - MUC-FR
73 racko: They're all copied from the feathers of eagles anyway. They should be called Eaglelets.
74 douglasyxz: The statement doesn't surprise at all, yet here it is directly from LH website: http://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/pre...ve/2013/march/01/article/2363.h
75 EagleBoy: "...Animal rights activists in an uproar as Airbus fits baby eagle's to their aircraft to improve fuel efficiency....."
76 mozart: Just what I thought. An opportunity missed for Lufthansa to bring some colour to what must otherwise be one of the most boring colourschemes in the i
77 DALCE: Strangely enough this first 'sharklet' bird is scheduled for 2 or 3 visits to AMS this or next week. FRA-AMS is actually one of the shorter hops for
78 NASBWI: The 321's range is actually less than that of the 320, so even though it is longer, the routes served would be either comparable to the 320, or short
79 LH422: Here's another one for the LH group: http://www.flickr.com/photos/xfwspotter/8538768215/ I like the painted sharklets much better...
80 douglasyxz: Where can I get this information from? I'm wondering if I can spot one of these new birds. Thanks is advance, factsonly.
81 lightsaber: I concur. The initial A320-200 shown by the OP is a bit bland... Someone might think they were bought for economics and not aesthetics. Lightsaber
83 flyingalex: To get it in advance, you need to know someone with access to Lufthansa's system. However, to get historical and real-time information, you can try:
84 LH422: And http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/d-aizq for that matter as there are already two sharkletted planes in service.
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