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Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa  
User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 38508 times:

Found this picture on the internet of the first A320 for Lufthansa, thought I share this with you:
http://imageshack.us/a/img560/8012/201302147797m1200.jpg


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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5637 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 38481 times:

Looks sharp!

-Dave



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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2711 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 38084 times:
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When will it join the fleet, will it be based in MUC or FRA? Will it be used on some longer flights?

User currently offlinemusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1093 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 38007 times:

looks awesome, cant wait to jump on it for a ride and see if passengers can tell the difference!


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20018 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 37649 times:

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 3):

looks awesome, cant wait to jump on it for a ride and see if passengers can tell the difference!

They won't. There's enough variability from one flight to the next that the sharklets wouldn't alter the "feel" of the takeoff or landing to the passengers.

I've been on many 737's and 757's before and after winglets and it makes no difference to the passenger other than looking cool out the window.

In fact, I recently flew aboard a HA 717 and I found it rather quaint that it had no wingtip devices at all.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4981 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 37596 times:

Looks hot and sharp 

EK413



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User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 37470 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 2):
When will it join the fleet, will it be based in MUC or FRA?

According to http://www.lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa/ it and another sharklet A320 will join the fleet February 28. Don't know at which hub though.


User currently offlinerlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1093 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 37310 times:

Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4981 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 37277 times:

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 7):
Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.

Boeing have winglets, Airbus have sharklets 

EK413



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17085 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 37212 times:

Quoting LH422 (Reply 6):
Quoting JU068 (Reply 2):When will it join the fleet, will it be based in MUC or FRA?
According to http://www.lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa/ it and another sharklet A320 will join the fleet February 28. Don't know at which hub though.

Doesnt LH rotate their short haul birds throughout the whole system?



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User currently offlineLZ129 From Germany, joined Feb 2013, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 37169 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 2):
will it be based in MUC or FRA?

And don't rule out HAM, DUS, TXL, STR and CGN

Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
Doesnt LH rotate their short haul birds throughout the whole system?

They do to some extent. Nonetheless each aircraft has its own home base.


User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 37153 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
Doesnt LH rotate their short haul birds throughout the whole system?

Yes, but not that often. And aircraft will be based at either FRA or MUC and fly routes from that airport. Every now and then an aircraft is moved to the other hub.



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User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 37154 times:

Quoting LZ129 (Reply 10):
And don't rule out HAM, DUS, TXL, STR and CGN

I wonder if there will be any birds left at these bases when the new 4U restructuring is complete.


User currently offline3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 37052 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
Quoting rlwynn (Reply 7):
Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.

Boeing have winglets, Airbus have sharklets 

EK413

Its just nomenclature. Airbus couldn't call it winglets or they'd be said to be stealing the idea from Boeing. So sharklets it is.

The big advantage of the new devices is higher take-off weight, longer range and lower fuel burn. All things that airlines want. Expect a lot of A320s to be retrofitted in the next few years, so you'll see a lot more airlines with these sharklets who don't necessarily have them on order right now.


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3943 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 36600 times:

Very nice...

Anyone else think it looks like it's sticking its finger up at the photographer?!


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 36235 times:
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Quoting rlwynn (Reply 7):
Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.

"What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;"

Marketing and copyright reasons. Airbus can't use the Boeing term, additionally Airbus would not want to be seen to be copying Boeing.......which is how the public may view it.

I really like the original design which was actually quite similar to a shark dorsal fin....it did look good. The final design is just like the winglets on the B737/B757

[Edited 2013-02-18 03:28:51]

User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 36056 times:

It looks fine.......but they could have made it look much better by painting the Sharklets blue and maybe even putting the Lufthansa Crane on them.


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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 36060 times:

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 7):
Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.

It's just a marketing name so they can call it anything then want. Some of the earlier designs looked more like actual shark fins but the final one chosen just ended up looking like existing designs.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2763 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 35812 times:

Quoting columba (Thread starter):
Found this picture on the internet of the first A320 for Lufthansa, thought I share this with you:
http://imageshack.us/a/img560/8012/2...0.jpg

I am currently in China and cannot open that link. Maybe it's too large, maybe something different. Do you have an alternative link? Was it posted on one of the typical Hamburg spotter forums?

Quoting zkojq (Reply 16):
It looks fine.......but they could have made it look much better by painting the Sharklets blue and maybe even putting the Lufthansa Crane on them.

Sounds good, like TK does and - correct me if I am wrong - Condor as well.


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 35636 times:

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 13):
Expect a lot of A320s to be retrofitted in the next few years

On that note, JetBlue just received their first sharklets and will start retrofit work on N821JB today.
http://twitpic.com/c4djt2


User currently onlineovercast From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 35174 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 19):
On that note, JetBlue just received their first sharklets and will start retrofit work on N821JB today.
http://twitpic.com/c4djt2

Just to clarify, I don't think this a true retrofit. It's just replacing the wing fences with sharklets. It looks like the wing is to the current(sharklet ready) standard.

The proper retrofit, including wing mods, will not be available till later this year.


User currently offline3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 35082 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 16):
I was of the opinion that it was not a retrofit option. Obviously I must read more.

There will be two "types" of retrofits so to speak:

1. Newer A320s were built with new wing structures which which will allow for a quick switch to sharklets, no work is required on the wing structure itself. Basically this was an interim solution since testing and approval for the sharklets was not complete, however, its benefits were obvious.

2. Older A320s will need to have more extensive work done on the wing structure itself before the sharklets can be attached. Might not see too many A320s undergoing this fix, however, if I'm not mistaken airbus already has a plan ready for how this work is to be done if any airlines do opt for it.

So we should see quite a few 320s that were built in the last year or so flying with sharklets in the near future.


User currently offline3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 34946 times:

Quoting overcast (Reply 20):
Just to clarify, I don't think this a true retrofit. It's just replacing the wing fences with sharklets


That sounds like a retrofit, here's the definition:

ret·ro·fit (rtr-ft)
v. ret·ro·fit·ted or ret·ro·fit, ret·ro·fit·ting, ret·ro·fits
v.tr.
1. To provide (a jet, automobile, computer, or factory, for example) with parts, devices, or equipment not in existence or available at the time of original manufacture.
2. To install or fit (a device or system, for example) for use in or on an existing structure, especially an older dwelling.
v.intr.
1. To fit into or onto equipment already in existence or service.
2. To substitute new or modernized parts or systems for older equipment:

Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/retrofit


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3293 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 34325 times:

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 13):
Airbus couldn't call it winglets

The Airbus wide bodies have winglets.....


User currently offline3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 33547 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 23):
Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 13):
Airbus couldn't call it winglets

The Airbus wide bodies have winglets.....

OK but this is the A320, not the WB. I think you have to take my comment tongue in cheek and not so literally.


User currently offlinefoppishbum From Taiwan, joined Mar 2006, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 34242 times:

Very nice! I can't wait till B6 get their A320/321 with winglets.

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User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2845 posts, RR: 16
Reply 26, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 34252 times:

Very nice, thank you! Hope it comes to DUB  


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User currently offlineAv8tor From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 30706 times:

Quoting foppishbum (Reply 25):
Quoting foppishbum (Reply 25):
Very nice! I can't wait till B6 get their A320/321 with winglets.

JetBlue will be introducing thier first A320 with sharklets this week at a company ceremony at the hangar in JFK.


User currently offlineSocalApproach From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 30145 times:

Quoting foppishbum (Reply 25):
I can't wait till B6 get their A320/321 with winglets.

I thought B6's A321's were going to be legacy with NO sharklets?


User currently offlinewinstonlegthigh From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 28281 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 8):
Boeing have winglets, Airbus have sharklets 

Wouldn't it be Airbii in this case?

Anyway, I guess I just like the Wingtip Fences better on the Airbus planes and Winglets for the Boeing aircraft.



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User currently onlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 27561 times:

Quoting winstonlegthigh (Reply 29):
Wouldn't it be Airbii in this case?

Only if Airbus changed their name to Airbius.



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User currently offlinec5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 27259 times:

Looks like the big brother of the E-190 now!   


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User currently offlinefoppishbum From Taiwan, joined Mar 2006, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 25863 times:

Quoting Av8tor (Reply 27):
JetBlue will be introducing thier first A320 with sharklets this week at a company ceremony at the hangar in JFK.

Well, I live in Manhattan but I didn't get an invite...very bummed.  



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User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 25712 times:

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 28):
I thought B6's A321's were going to be legacy with NO sharklets?

While the future orders for NEO's may have the option to convert 320s to 321s, the current order for B6's stardard A321 is with sharklets. None of them will be delivered with wingtip fences AFAIK.



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User currently offlineatcanobbio From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 24888 times:

it looks good but they could've painted the sharklets with the color used on the tail.

some one needs to tell airlines that not everything needs to painted white  


User currently offlineAv8tor From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 22050 times:

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 21):
2. Older A320s will need to have more extensive work done on the wing structure itself before the sharklets can be attached. Might not see too many A320s undergoing this fix, however, if I'm not mistaken airbus already has a plan ready for how this work is to be done if any airlines do opt for it.

JetBlue wil retro all of their aircraft. The structural work will be done by business partners during heavy checks and then the sharklets will be installed by JetBlue's tech-ops team.


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2057 posts, RR: 8
Reply 36, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 19115 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 1):
Looks sharp!
Quoting musapapaya (Reply 3):
looks awesome,
Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):
Looks hot and sharp

Looks like a Boeing to me. Hey Airbus, the party started years ago....

Quoting wjv04 (Reply 35):
Looks about 10 years behind Boeing
Quoting c5load (Reply 31):
Looks like the big brother of the E-190 now!

Yep. Funny how Airbus finally figured out that the winglets of Boeing and Embraer are superior to those little fences used in prior attempts.



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User currently offlineMikey86 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 17684 times:

Looks Cool! Makes the A320 certainly stand out in the crowd!


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User currently offlineJeffB From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 17538 times:

Quoting c5load (Reply 31):

Ha! Was thinking the same thing! Though, that is not bad company to be in.

Seriously, that plane looks great.


User currently offlineSenchingo From Germany, joined Oct 2010, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 17090 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 2):
will it be based in MUC or FRA?
Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
Doesnt LH rotate their short haul birds throughout the whole system?

Hm... They kind of rotate, but some stay at their designated hubs. Like the obvious ones - A380, B747 at FRA, A346/3 in MUC. But some get switched from time to time - D-AIRX (LH retro livery) just switched to MUC now.
I hope it'll be in MUC a while, so i can finally see this (for me freaky) mod  
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 18):
I am currently in China and cannot open that link

Guess that's kind of a common problem there   


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20018 posts, RR: 59
Reply 40, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 17000 times:

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 13):
Expect a lot of A320s to be retrofitted in the next few years, so you'll see a lot more airlines with these sharklets who don't necessarily have them on order right now.

I understand that the retrofit involves strengthening the wing to handle the increased bending moment better. How is this done?


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13302 posts, RR: 100
Reply 41, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16020 times:
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I'm happy to see. The Sharlets took quite a bit longer to arrive on the A320 than I thought, but it is good to see them shipping.

Quoting flood (Reply 19):
On that note, JetBlue just received their first sharklets and will start retrofit work on N821JB today.
http://twitpic.com/c4djt2

Thank you. Interesting little 'kit.'

Quoting overcast (Reply 20):
The proper retrofit, including wing mods, will not be available till later this year.

   But one thing at a time.

Quoting Av8tor (Reply 35):
JetBlue wil retro all of their aircraft. The structural work will be done by business partners during heavy checks and then the sharklets will be installed by JetBlue's tech-ops team.

Now that is interesting. It makes sense. They had (still have?) the longest average narrow body flights in the US, so they will benefit tremendously from the sharklets.

Hopefully these become common quickly.

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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2057 posts, RR: 8
Reply 42, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 15858 times:

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 37):
Looks Cool! Makes the A320 certainly stand out in the crowd!

Really? Airbus finally puts winglets on the A320 like Boeing and Embraer have been using for years and all of a sudden the A320 looks different from the rest? What are you looking at?



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User currently offlinewerdywerd From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 589 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 15571 times:

Updated photo of the B6 A320

http://twitpic.com/c4w3a6


User currently offlinefoppishbum From Taiwan, joined Mar 2006, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14219 times:

Quoting werdywerd (Reply 43):

Thanks for sharing! I can't wait to see it at JFK when I do my commutes!  



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User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 45, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13382 times:
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Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 36):
Funny how Airbus finally figured out that the winglets of Boeing and Embraer are superior to those little fences used in prior attempts.

The sharkets are optimised for performance benefits on longer sector. I guess that operators with short sectors will not require sharklets and will be happy to stick with wingtip fences.

In regard to your obvious disdain, note that the A320 has competed toe to toe with the B737NG for many years now using 'only those little fences'....the introduction of sharklets means the A320 has gotten a little bit better...which is not good for NG sales. The sharklet option also adds a few % performance bonus to the NEO when it enters service in competition to the MAX.


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 46, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13335 times:

Looks good, though I agree that they should have at least put the logo on it...


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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12742 times:

What are the airlines going to do with all those spare Wingtip Fences once their A32X fleets have had their retrofits done?


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User currently offlinevasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3943 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12450 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 47):

People on this site will try to buy one...!

But on a serious note, I reckon they'll just become spare parts for other wingtip-equipped planes


User currently offlinemon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2012, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12357 times:

Monarch A320, first with sharklets.


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 50, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 12335 times:

Quoting mon (Reply 49):

Thanks for sharing that pic, hope to see it at MAN one day  

On another note, has anyone else realised that they dont paint the sharklet all the way to the beginning of the joint between the wing and the sharklet like on the Boeing planes?

example:


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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4815 posts, RR: 40
Reply 51, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 12237 times:
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Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 45):
The sharkets are optimised for performance benefits on longer sector. I guess that operators with short sectors will not require sharklets and will be happy to stick with wingtip fences.

I guess every A320-operator will do the math to see if the sharklets are worth the investment for them. Maybe we will even see some split with so many A320-series being upgraded with sharklets, and some that will not see that upgrade. Of course this reduces the flexibility of how the airline can use it's airplanes. But if they have "enough" of them, I would not even rule that option out.


User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6348 posts, RR: 14
Reply 52, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 12299 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 50):
On another note, has anyone else realised that they dont paint the sharklet all the way to the beginning of the joint between the wing and the sharklet like on the Boeing planes?

Yep, it's obviously a surface that can't be painted but it's quite a large portion so from a distance a painted sharklet looks very skinny and out of proportion. On a livery like Lufthansa's the unpainted look, or just a sold grey/white looks better.

Quoting mon (Reply 49):

Monarch have the best looking so far, completes that livery nicely!


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 12306 times:

Quoting mon (Reply 49):
Monarch A320, first with sharklets.

Thanks, great to see these A320s with sharklets popping up left and right now  
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 50):
they dont paint the sharklet all the way to the beginning of the joint

I think it looks great - particularly on the Jetstar bird. Just a pity LH didn't paint their sharklets blue - with or without logo.


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 54, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 12186 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 53):
I think it looks great

Im not saying it doesn't look great, its just something ive noticed... Im really looking forward to seeing that Monarch A320 especially  



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User currently offlinevasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3943 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11917 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 50):
On another note, has anyone else realised that they dont paint the sharklet all the way to the beginning of the joint between the wing

I like the "fade-in spraypaint" effect that Monarch have used!


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12273 posts, RR: 34
Reply 56, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11134 times:

The second one for Lufthansa (MSN 5497 / D-AIZQ, test reg D-AXAE) is now also outside.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/xfwspotter/8495471340/



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User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2099 posts, RR: 3
Reply 57, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10387 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 11):
Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
Doesnt LH rotate their short haul birds throughout the whole system?

Yes, but not that often. And aircraft will be based at either FRA or MUC and fly routes from that airport. Every now and then an aircraft is moved to the other hub.

Any site that lists the home base for each LH aircraft?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12273 posts, RR: 34
Reply 58, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9714 times:

Lufthansa takes delivery of its first Airbus A320 equipped with Sharklets:

http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/newse...rbus-a320-equipped-with-sharklets/



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User currently offlineBobMUC From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9402 times:

Hi FlyCaledonia,

the following page is in German, but you will be able to find the information about LH aircrafts and corresponding home bases:

http://www.mucforum.de/showthread.ph...-Sitzversionen-Interkontbersichten


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 60, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9374 times:
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Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 54):
Im not saying it doesn't look great, its just something ive noticed... Im really looking forward to seeing that Monarch A320 especially

   . I think Monarch has one of the best liveries out there right now!


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9228 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 52):
Yep, it's obviously a surface that can't be painted but it's quite a large portion so from a distance a painted sharklet looks very skinny and out of proportion. On a livery like Lufthansa's the unpainted look, or just a sold grey/white looks better.

Agree totally, way better and classy the way it is. Painted blue and/or logos = tacky and cheap looking.



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 62, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9107 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 15):
Airbus would not want to be seen to be copying Boeing

Then they shouldn't have put the 'thinglets' where they could be seen.

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 30):
Quoting winstonlegthigh (Reply 29):
Wouldn't it be Airbii in this case?

Only if Airbus changed their name to Airbius.

Are you sure?


Boeing didn't invent winglets nor name them that. Richard Whitcomb started the modern use of winglets in the 70s. Burt Rutan's Varieze used them. Boeing does not have a copyright on winglets. Airbus is free to call them that if the wish.



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5279 posts, RR: 1
Reply 63, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8761 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 8):
Boeing have winglets, Airbus have sharklets

I thought any sort of an extension on a wingtip, other than the fence that Airbus put on older A320 series aircraft or a raked wingtip, was a winglet. I think both Embrear and Canadair refer to the curved extensions as winglets.


User currently onlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12677 posts, RR: 46
Reply 64, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8759 times:
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Quoting rlwynn (Reply 7):
Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.

Because "sharklet" is way more awesomer than "winglet".   



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User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8712 times:

Saw the first one land today as DLH9922 from XFW.

http://fraaviation.forumsfree.de/t10751-01032013


User currently offlineAlnicocunife From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8554 times:

Sharklet is to nautucal, ship like. Maybe you would use it in a ditching (proven that is is not needed)
Maybe they should have been called "Hermeslet" for the God of flight.
Maybe "Mercurylets". After all Mercury had winged shoes.


User currently offlinetozbek From Turkey, joined Jul 2005, 124 posts, RR: 1
Reply 67, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8528 times:
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Some photos from the first flight of Lufthansa's Sharklet A320 D-AIZP today: http://kokpit.aero/index.php?route=i...e_gallery&image_gallery_id=202

User currently offlineBEG2IAH From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 973 posts, RR: 18
Reply 68, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8308 times:
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It's incredible how this small change made A320 look ten times better. Vey nice.


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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4815 posts, RR: 40
Reply 69, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8238 times:
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Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 68):
It's incredible how this small change made A320 look ten times better. Vey nice.

Yeah, sometimes minor changes make a world of difference in looks. We see it with cars all the time, but on airplanes it is quite a rare phenomenon.  .


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 70, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7826 times:

Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 68):
It's incredible how this small change made A320 look ten times better. Vey nice.

   Agreed!



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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days ago) and read 7266 times:

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 57):

Any site that lists the home base for each LH aircraft?
Quoting BobMUC (Reply 59):
Hi FlyCaledonia,

the following page is in German, but you will be able to find the information about LH aircrafts and corresponding home bases:

http://www.mucforum.de/showthread.ph...chten

This list tends to be updated more regularly than the MUC Forum list:

http://klarhorst.com/Liste.htm

Click the tab marked "LH Kontflotte Airbus" to get details for their A319/A320/A321s.



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User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 960 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6952 times:

Well Sharklet A320 D-AIZP is in regular operation now, here is the list of its operational flights:

- FRA-MUC 1/3
- MUC-FRA 1/3
- FRA-MUC 1/3
- MUC-FRA 1/3 - base stop
- FRA-BCN 2/3
- BCN-FRA 2/3
- FRA-TXL 2/3
- TXL-FRA 2/3 - base stop
- FRA-AMS 3/3
- AMS-FRA 3/3
- FRA-VNO 3/3
- VNO-FRA 3/3
- FRA-STR 3/3
- STR-FRA 3/3
- FRA-AMS 3/3 night-stop
- AMS-FRA 4/3


User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 73, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6533 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 62):
Boeing didn't invent winglets nor name them that. Richard Whitcomb started the modern use of winglets in the 70s. Burt Rutan's Varieze used them. Boeing does not have a copyright on winglets. Airbus is free to call them that if the wish.

They're all copied from the feathers of eagles anyway. They should be called Eaglelets.


User currently offlinedouglasyxz From Germany, joined Jan 2013, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6173 times:

The statement doesn't surprise at all, yet here it is directly from LH website:
http://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/pre...ve/2013/march/01/article/2363.html

"Lufthansa pilots have today picked up the airline’s first Airbus A320 equipped with 2.4 metre-high extended wingtips in Hamburg Finkenwerder. Known as sharklets, the blended wingtips are designed to cut fuel consumption by one to four per cent, depending on the route length, and the equivalent amount of CO2 emissions. They also enable aircraft to climb faster, which has a positive effect in reducing noise emissions.

Sharklets were born from lessons taught by nature: Large birds like the crane or condor curl their wingtip feathers upwards in order to save their energy significantly when flying. Sharklets similarly reduce lift-induced drag and improve the aerodynamics at the wingtips. Airbus expects the resultant fuel saving to reduce CO2 emissions by around a yearly 1,000 tonnes per aircraft, which is equivalent to the volume of emissions generated by about 200 cars put to average use.

A total of 22 brand new A320 jets, and all fitted with this Airbus blended-wing innovation, are scheduled for delivery to Lufthansa by early 2015 as replacements for older aircraft. Since the fuel-saving comes into effect principally at cruising height, Lufthansa traffic managers will deploy the A320’s equipped with sharklets mainly on longer European routes."

Two more 321 to be delivered 2015 will be w/o sharklets, according to www.lh-taufnamen.de. Makes me wonder why. I would assume the larger the aircraft the longer the routes. It could be due to the fact, that it is going to be just this two more new 321ceo into the fleet before 321neo arrives at LH 2016.


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 75, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6033 times:
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Quoting racko (Reply 73):
They're all copied from the feathers of eagles anyway. They should be called Eaglelets.

"...Animal rights activists in an uproar as Airbus fits baby eagle's to their aircraft to improve fuel efficiency....."


User currently offlinemozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2190 posts, RR: 13
Reply 76, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days ago) and read 5813 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 16):

It looks fine.......but they could have made it look much better by painting the Sharklets blue and maybe even putting the Lufthansa Crane on them.

Just what I thought. An opportunity missed for Lufthansa to bring some colour to what must otherwise be one of the most boring colourschemes in the industry. "Euro white how not to do it". I have no trouble with all white fuselages, big titles and some big logo on the back, it looks good for many airlines. But LH doesn't have that. It has an old scheme and just took away the cheatline. Yawn. Typical German. Functionality before form, who cares if it looks good as long as it works.


User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1706 posts, RR: 7
Reply 77, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5689 times:

Quoting douglasyxz (Reply 74):
Lufthansa traffic managers will deploy the A320’s equipped with sharklets mainly on longer European routes."

Strangely enough this first 'sharklet' bird is scheduled for 2 or 3 visits to AMS this or next week. FRA-AMS is actually one of the shorter hops for the LH mainline fleet.



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User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5582 times:

Quoting douglasyxz (Reply 74):
Two more 321 to be delivered 2015 will be w/o sharklets, according to www.lh-taufnamen.de. Makes me wonder why. I would assume the larger the aircraft the longer the routes.

The 321's range is actually less than that of the 320, so even though it is longer, the routes served would be either comparable to the 320, or shorter (many of their 321s actually fly rather short routes intra-Germany and around Western Europe). With routes like those, the added benefit of the Sharklet probably wouldn't gain LH much of an advantage.



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User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4969 times:

Here's another one for the LH group:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/xfwspotter/8538768215/

I like the painted sharklets much better...


User currently offlinedouglasyxz From Germany, joined Jan 2013, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

Quoting factsonly (Reply 72):

Where can I get this information from? I'm wondering if I can spot one of these new birds.

Thanks is advance, factsonly.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13302 posts, RR: 100
Reply 81, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4162 times:
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Quoting LH422 (Reply 79):
I like the painted sharklets much better...

I concur. The initial A320-200 shown by the OP is a bit bland...
Someone might think they were bought for economics and not aesthetics.  


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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 82, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3979 times:

I think this the first wing view shot in the database, the aircraft is Lufthansa D-AIZP:


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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3856 times:

Quoting douglasyxz (Reply 80):
Where can I get this information from? I'm wondering if I can spot one of these new birds.

Thanks is advance, factsonly.

To get it in advance, you need to know someone with access to Lufthansa's system.

However, to get historical and real-time information, you can try:

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/d-aizp

At www.frankfurt-airport.de, you can also get the registration of the aircraft which is scheduled to operate a given flight by clicking on the flight number in the Departures Information box on the homepage. For Lufthansa flights, they usually have a registration listed from 24 hours prior to the flight, but the aircraft to be used can change, perhaps even several times, in those last 24 hours.



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User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3816 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 83):
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/d-aizp

And http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/d-aizq for that matter as there are already two sharkletted planes in service.


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