B747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17265 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 37655 times:
Quoting LH422 (Reply 6): Quoting JU068 (Reply 2):When will it join the fleet, will it be based in MUC or FRA?
According to http://www.lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa/ it and another sharklet A320 will join the fleet February 28. Don't know at which hub though.
Doesnt LH rotate their short haul birds throughout the whole system?
3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 37495 times:
Quoting B747forever (Reply 9): Quoting rlwynn (Reply 7):
Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.
Boeing have winglets, Airbus have sharklets
Its just nomenclature. Airbus couldn't call it winglets or they'd be said to be stealing the idea from Boeing. So sharklets it is.
The big advantage of the new devices is higher take-off weight, longer range and lower fuel burn. All things that airlines want. Expect a lot of A320s to be retrofitted in the next few years, so you'll see a lot more airlines with these sharklets who don't necessarily have them on order right now.
3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 35525 times:
Quoting zkojq (Reply 16): I was of the opinion that it was not a retrofit option. Obviously I must read more.
There will be two "types" of retrofits so to speak:
1. Newer A320s were built with new wing structures which which will allow for a quick switch to sharklets, no work is required on the wing structure itself. Basically this was an interim solution since testing and approval for the sharklets was not complete, however, its benefits were obvious.
2. Older A320s will need to have more extensive work done on the wing structure itself before the sharklets can be attached. Might not see too many A320s undergoing this fix, however, if I'm not mistaken airbus already has a plan ready for how this work is to be done if any airlines do opt for it.
So we should see quite a few 320s that were built in the last year or so flying with sharklets in the near future.
3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 35389 times:
Quoting overcast (Reply 20): Just to clarify, I don't think this a true retrofit. It's just replacing the wing fences with sharklets
That sounds like a retrofit, here's the definition:
v. ret·ro·fit·ted or ret·ro·fit, ret·ro·fit·ting, ret·ro·fits
1. To provide (a jet, automobile, computer, or factory, for example) with parts, devices, or equipment not in existence or available at the time of original manufacture.
2. To install or fit (a device or system, for example) for use in or on an existing structure, especially an older dwelling.
1. To fit into or onto equipment already in existence or service.
2. To substitute new or modernized parts or systems for older equipment:
Av8tor From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (2 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 22493 times:
Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 21): 2. Older A320s will need to have more extensive work done on the wing structure itself before the sharklets can be attached. Might not see too many A320s undergoing this fix, however, if I'm not mistaken airbus already has a plan ready for how this work is to be done if any airlines do opt for it.
JetBlue wil retro all of their aircraft. The structural work will be done by business partners during heavy checks and then the sharklets will be installed by JetBlue's tech-ops team.
Quoting B747forever (Reply 9): Doesnt LH rotate their short haul birds throughout the whole system?
Hm... They kind of rotate, but some stay at their designated hubs. Like the obvious ones - A380, B747 at FRA, A346/3 in MUC. But some get switched from time to time - D-AIRX (LH retro livery) just switched to MUC now.
I hope it'll be in MUC a while, so i can finally see this (for me freaky) mod
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 18): I am currently in China and cannot open that link
Quoting overcast (Reply 20): The proper retrofit, including wing mods, will not be available till later this year.
But one thing at a time.
Quoting Av8tor (Reply 35): JetBlue wil retro all of their aircraft. The structural work will be done by business partners during heavy checks and then the sharklets will be installed by JetBlue's tech-ops team.
Now that is interesting. It makes sense. They had (still have?) the longest average narrow body flights in the US, so they will benefit tremendously from the sharklets.
Hopefully these become common quickly.
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EagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1998 posts, RR: 2
Reply 45, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13825 times:
Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 36): Funny how Airbus finally figured out that the winglets of Boeing and Embraer are superior to those little fences used in prior attempts.
The sharkets are optimised for performance benefits on longer sector. I guess that operators with short sectors will not require sharklets and will be happy to stick with wingtip fences.
In regard to your obvious disdain, note that the A320 has competed toe to toe with the B737NG for many years now using 'only those little fences'....the introduction of sharklets means the A320 has gotten a little bit better...which is not good for NG sales. The sharklet option also adds a few % performance bonus to the NEO when it enters service in competition to the MAX.
EPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 5154 posts, RR: 40
Reply 51, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12680 times:
Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 45): The sharkets are optimised for performance benefits on longer sector. I guess that operators with short sectors will not require sharklets and will be happy to stick with wingtip fences.
I guess every A320-operator will do the math to see if the sharklets are worth the investment for them. Maybe we will even see some split with so many A320-series being upgraded with sharklets, and some that will not see that upgrade. Of course this reduces the flexibility of how the airline can use it's airplanes. But if they have "enough" of them, I would not even rule that option out.
shamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6387 posts, RR: 14
Reply 52, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12742 times:
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 50): On another note, has anyone else realised that they dont paint the sharklet all the way to the beginning of the joint between the wing and the sharklet like on the Boeing planes?
Yep, it's obviously a surface that can't be painted but it's quite a large portion so from a distance a painted sharklet looks very skinny and out of proportion. On a livery like Lufthansa's the unpainted look, or just a sold grey/white looks better.
71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3095 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (2 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9671 times:
Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 52): Yep, it's obviously a surface that can't be painted but it's quite a large portion so from a distance a painted sharklet looks very skinny and out of proportion. On a livery like Lufthansa's the unpainted look, or just a sold grey/white looks better.
Agree totally, way better and classy the way it is. Painted blue and/or logos = tacky and cheap looking.
Boeing didn't invent winglets nor name them that. Richard Whitcomb started the modern use of winglets in the 70s. Burt Rutan's Varieze used them. Boeing does not have a copyright on winglets. Airbus is free to call them that if the wish.
Just accept that some days, you're the pigeon, and other days the statue
ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 63, posted (2 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9204 times:
Quoting EK413 (Reply 8): Boeing have winglets, Airbus have sharklets
I thought any sort of an extension on a wingtip, other than the fence that Airbus put on older A320 series aircraft or a raked wingtip, was a winglet. I think both Embrear and Canadair refer to the curved extensions as winglets.
Alnicocunife From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (2 years 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8997 times:
Sharklet is to nautucal, ship like. Maybe you would use it in a ditching (proven that is is not needed)
Maybe they should have been called "Hermeslet" for the God of flight.
Maybe "Mercurylets". After all Mercury had winged shoes.
racko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 19
Reply 73, posted (2 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6976 times:
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 62): Boeing didn't invent winglets nor name them that. Richard Whitcomb started the modern use of winglets in the 70s. Burt Rutan's Varieze used them. Boeing does not have a copyright on winglets. Airbus is free to call them that if the wish.
They're all copied from the feathers of eagles anyway. They should be called Eaglelets.
"Lufthansa pilots have today picked up the airline’s first Airbus A320 equipped with 2.4 metre-high extended wingtips in Hamburg Finkenwerder. Known as sharklets, the blended wingtips are designed to cut fuel consumption by one to four per cent, depending on the route length, and the equivalent amount of CO2 emissions. They also enable aircraft to climb faster, which has a positive effect in reducing noise emissions.
Sharklets were born from lessons taught by nature: Large birds like the crane or condor curl their wingtip feathers upwards in order to save their energy significantly when flying. Sharklets similarly reduce lift-induced drag and improve the aerodynamics at the wingtips. Airbus expects the resultant fuel saving to reduce CO2 emissions by around a yearly 1,000 tonnes per aircraft, which is equivalent to the volume of emissions generated by about 200 cars put to average use.
A total of 22 brand new A320 jets, and all fitted with this Airbus blended-wing innovation, are scheduled for delivery to Lufthansa by early 2015 as replacements for older aircraft. Since the fuel-saving comes into effect principally at cruising height, Lufthansa traffic managers will deploy the A320’s equipped with sharklets mainly on longer European routes."
Two more 321 to be delivered 2015 will be w/o sharklets, according to www.lh-taufnamen.de. Makes me wonder why. I would assume the larger the aircraft the longer the routes. It could be due to the fact, that it is going to be just this two more new 321ceo into the fleet before 321neo arrives at LH 2016.
mozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2253 posts, RR: 13
Reply 76, posted (2 years 20 hours ago) and read 6256 times:
Quoting zkojq (Reply 16):
It looks fine.......but they could have made it look much better by painting the Sharklets blue and maybe even putting the Lufthansa Crane on them.
Just what I thought. An opportunity missed for Lufthansa to bring some colour to what must otherwise be one of the most boring colourschemes in the industry. "Euro white how not to do it". I have no trouble with all white fuselages, big titles and some big logo on the back, it looks good for many airlines. But LH doesn't have that. It has an old scheme and just took away the cheatline. Yawn. Typical German. Functionality before form, who cares if it looks good as long as it works.
NASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (2 years 18 hours ago) and read 6025 times:
Quoting douglasyxz (Reply 74): Two more 321 to be delivered 2015 will be w/o sharklets, according to www.lh-taufnamen.de. Makes me wonder why. I would assume the larger the aircraft the longer the routes.
The 321's range is actually less than that of the 320, so even though it is longer, the routes served would be either comparable to the 320, or shorter (many of their 321s actually fly rather short routes intra-Germany and around Western Europe). With routes like those, the added benefit of the Sharklet probably wouldn't gain LH much of an advantage.
At www.frankfurt-airport.de, you can also get the registration of the aircraft which is scheduled to operate a given flight by clicking on the flight number in the Departures Information box on the homepage. For Lufthansa flights, they usually have a registration listed from 24 hours prior to the flight, but the aircraft to be used can change, perhaps even several times, in those last 24 hours.
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