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JetBlue At ORH By Year's End?  
User currently offlinecessna53996 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 62 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3554 times:

B6 has had 3 visits to Worcester, one by the CEO himself, Dave Barger, so the feeling in Worcester is that B6 will be at ORH by the end of the year. The last meeting was with several key executives, and they said they'd make a decision by the end of the year. New Massport CEO Thomas Glynn said that if they were to come they would fly to MCO and FLL, both with the E190 and each 1x daily. Also Massport is moving forward with a CATIII ILS on 29/11, so the comittment for Massport is there. I'd still like to see them fly ORH-JFK, but ORH needs to sustain these 2 daily flights first!

http://www.telegram.com/article/2013...119918/1237/mobile&TEMPLATE=MOBILE

Worcester belives that JetBlue's sucess will produce a domino effect including DL, UA, and maybe even the 'new' AA.

DL: 3x daily 717 to ATL,
2x daily CRJ7 to DTW

UA: 2x daily CRJ7 to ORD
3x daily DH8-200 to EWR

Seeing the 717 in DL colors at ORH would be an incredible sight, and the 717 would be a great niche airplane with 110 seats. The CRJ2 may be a better plane for ORH-DTW, but with DL trying to outst it, it might not work.


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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2741 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3542 times:

Quoting cessna53996 (Thread starter):
so the feeling in Worcester is that B6 will be at ORH by the end of the year.

If so.... would this not be 4 airports in the Boston area with scheduled commercial airline service, along with BOS, PVD and MHT?

And also if so.... all the best to B6, ORH, and the people in the area who may now have additional convenience with air service.


 


User currently offlineQ From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3458 times:

Many years ago, Delta flew Boeing 727 from Boston to Manchester, NH to Worcester then New York LaGuardia daily.

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User currently offlineCairnterriAIR From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3393 times:

Not too long ago, Northwest, Piedmont, Continental, and UsAirways all flew out of Worcester. Tough market to serve being less the an hour away from BOS and 1.5 hours away from BDL. But with the right routes and fares, it could actually work.

User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2949 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3316 times:
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Quoting cessna53996 (Thread starter):

I'm not so sure DL would send the 717 if they started ORH. Maybe a daily CR7/9 like SWF had.



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User currently offlineboslax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3301 times:

Lets not get too carried away about the viability of air service at Worcester. jetBlue is pretty smart. There's a bigger prize at BOS that Massport is dangling in front of jetBlue if they serve ORH. Revenue guarantees will need to be in place and the local community will need to contribute. The only way other network carriers will create a domino effect is if they are provided the same incentives that jetBlue will receive. Ground access is still a challenge at ORH. I believe jetBlue can fill two flights a day to Florida, however, it will very low yielding and come at a hefty price in terns of incentives.

User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 1):
If so.... would this not be 4 airports in the Boston area with scheduled commercial airline service, along with BOS, PVD and MHT?

Yes, but B6 hasn't started MHT, at least not yet.

Quoting boslax (Reply 5):
Ground access is still a challenge at ORH.

The big issue is the lack of highway access. I don't know why the street signs from Route 146 point traffic up I-290 to Route 122 when Cambridge Street from the end of the freeway is quicker, then up Main and Goddard. But there is the #19 bus from Union Station and maybe Massport will offer a shuttle there.



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User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3140 times:

Quoting CairnterriAIR (Reply 3):
Tough market to serve being less the an hour away from BOS and 1.5 hours away from BDL.

Also 1 Hour away from PVD and 75 minutes away from MHT.

I wonder if one should have built an airport equidistant from Hartford, Springfield, and Worcester.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1648 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3093 times:
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MCO/FLL service should be viable. Though I wonder why Allegiant hasnt tried it

User currently offlineboslax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 8):
Though I wonder why Allegiant hasnt tried it

They actually did. Allegiant served ORH-SFB from December 2005 - August 2006. Load factors averaged 78%. When Allegiant abruptly left Worcester, the former Mayor of Worcester, and now Lieutenant Governor, Tim Murray, blasted Allegiant CEO Maurice Gallagher saying " This is not the type of guy we want to do business with, this is an example of the charlatans that exist in the corporate world." Don't expect Allegiant to return to ORH anytime soon.


User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

Quoting cessna53996 (Thread starter):
Worcester belives that JetBlue's sucess will produce a domino effect including DL, UA, and maybe even the 'new' AA.

I got to admire their optimism, but has ORH ever had that much service at once..... I was actually thinking ORH would be a prime spot for F9 the way they are going right now



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User currently offlinecessna53996 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

To my knowledge F9 only operates out of TTN 3-4 times per week, so that probably would not work because Massport only wants carriers at ORH that will operate daily flights, so for Allegiant, F9, or NK to work, they would have to operate daily flights. NK may work for flights to MYR, since Direct Air was pretty successful on that route.

Massport is trying to focus on the major carriers right now, primarily B6, along with DL, UA, and AA.



Feeling a little blue in ORH, JetBlue.
User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

Your answer is no based on the article you included..

"Asked about JetBlue's plans for Worcester, spokeswoman Tamara Young said in a statement: “Worcester is JetBlue's kind of town — but we won't even be in a position to consider service until 2014.”

2014 could easily mean November/December 2014... which seems more likely in my book.

As far as other majors, I think at BEST....BEST you are looking at the following in the 5-10 year timeframe:

US 4x DH8 to PHL

UA 3x DH2 to EWR

DL 3x CRJ to DTW



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User currently offlineboslax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 12):
DL 3x CRJ to DTW

At the rate that Delta is removing CRJ's from their fleet, within 5 to 10 years, there will be very few flying around.


User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2275 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 12):
UA 3x DH2 to EWR

Didnt know UA Express had beavers...



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

Quoting atct (Reply 14):
Didnt know UA Express had beavers...

Thats the term/code UA uses, not me!



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User currently offlinecessna53996 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

Quoting cessna53996 (Reply 11):
Your answer is no based on the article you included..

2014 could easily mean November/December 2014... which seems more likely in my book.

I saw another article, not about ORH, that stated that B6 is moving up delivery of 4 E190's to this year. This could easily bode well for ORH.



Feeling a little blue in ORH, JetBlue.
User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

Quoting cessna53996 (Reply 16):
I saw another article, not about ORH, that stated that B6 is moving up delivery of 4 E190's to this year. This could easily bode well for ORH.

I think anyone would be foolish to believe that B6 would start ORH because they want to. If/when they do it, it will be because they pretty much have to as result of dealings/favors for Massport. ALB, ISP, MHT, Florida to from BTV/PWM, expanded BDL/PVD all make sense before ORH.

When B6 starts ORH it is because their favor is due not because extra aircraft are available.



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8237 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 1):
If so.... would this not be 4 airports in the Boston area with scheduled commercial airline service, along with BOS, PVD and MHT?

To call ORH, PVD, MHT, Boston airport is a little disingenuous. PVD and MHT are not even in Massachusetts, let alone Boston. Yes, there is some overlap at the periphery of eachother's respective catchment areas but at the core each has it's own catchment area.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 6):
The big issue is the lack of highway access. I don't know why the street signs from Route 146 point traffic up I-290 to Route 122 when Cambridge Street from the end of the freeway is quicker, then up Main and Goddard. But there is the #19 bus from Union Station and maybe Massport will offer a shuttle there.

The difference is .2 miles. Hardly relevant   How many traffic lights does each route have?

At the end of the day, I would imagine that B6 has a bigger market in MHT than at ORH but is Massport of giving away free money, why not?


User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 18):
The difference is .2 miles. Hardly relevant   How many traffic lights does each route have?

If that airport was on the other side of the city facing Boston it would have so much more potential.


User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

Quoting atct (Reply 14):
Didnt know UA Express had beavers...
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 15):
Thats the term/code UA uses, not me!

Indeed; checking flightstats.com, Commutair's Dash 8's are coded DH2 for the -200, and DH3 for the -300. Jazz does the same thing, as does Horizon (DH4). Piedmont used to, but now it seems they're all coded DH8.



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User currently offlineusctrojan18 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

I would love to see an E-190 quick hop from MHT to JFK on B6 and maybe add MCO, or FLL to challenge WN. Also, what are the chances BDL gets west coast service on B6, maybe LGB, LAX or OAK?

User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1861 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 18):
at the core each has it's own catchment area.

I agree with that. though even from the cores, people will travel to the more distant airport if the price or availability of nonstops is right.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 18):
PVD and MHT are not even in Massachusetts

but this is irrelevant


User currently offlinebos2laf From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 18):
but is Massport of giving away free money, why not?

It wouldn't be due to incentives. As several posters here have said, it's most likely a favor to Massport. "You throw us a bone with Terminal C, and we'll throw you a bone at ORH."


User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1957 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2155 times:
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Quoting cessna53996 (Reply 11):
To my knowledge F9 only operates out of TTN 3-4 times per week, so that probably would not work because Massport only wants carriers at ORH that will operate daily flights

Not saying anything as far as if F9 should consider ORH but F9 will offer 6X Weekly (except Sat) service to RDU and MDW from TTN starting April 8th.



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25 mariner : In past times, Massport have not always been exactly 'gentlemen' in their dealings. Maybe they've changed. mariner[Edited 2013-02-19 17:53:12]
26 ChrisNH : The elephant in the living room is that JetBlue wouldn't go to Worcester unless they could extract a pound of flesh from Massport to do so: "If I do X
27 BOStonsox : I haven't been up to Worcester in a while, I don't know about Route 122, but the route I mentioned has about eight lights and avoids Downtown as well
28 ChrisNH : Or, if Massport does it for them. This is one of those, "You Won't Even Have to Lift a Finger" proposals floated by Massport to help make THEIR white
29 bobnwa : i believe that is a bit excessive fo DL unless they recieve significant financial help
30 airbazar : I'm not seeing it. What kind of bone? B6 already has everything they need at BOS. They have terminal C all to themselves and Massport is already comm
31 jfklganyc : B6 does politics well. The reason BUF, SYR, ROC, and BTV are served with consistent frequency was a deal for 75 slot exemptions with Chuck Schumer an
32 ScottB : They may want WN's Terminal E gates. They may want VX's gates in Terminal B if a post-security connector is to be built between B & C. Maybe they
33 airbazar : They are getting 10? gates next year when UA leaves terminal C, plus they can have access to any non-WN gates in terminal E because they are all comm
34 ScottB : I believe they're only getting six or seven as they already have use of a few of UA's gates in C. Their domestic operation at BOS is roughly 80% the
35 flyby519 : Is there a direct bus service between the Worcester commuter rail station and the ORH airport? That might help spur traffic from areas east of ORH.
36 MAH4546 : Actually, AA continues to fly BOS-CDG.
37 BOStonsox : The WRTA is building a new bus hub at the commuter rail station to open later this year. Currently, the #19 bus goes from City Hall to the airport, s
38 cloudboy : That is part of what I think Massport is trying to get out of this. They want leverage to push through a highway connector to the airport. Unfortunat
39 airbazar : All valid points but I also think that B6 can squeeze far more out of the gates at BOS because BOS is not a hub so therefore their operations are not
40 ScottB : I'm don't believe they can add any gates to Terminal C given the T-shaped design of the piers. The neck of each pier will accommodate two aircraft on
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