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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2758 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

A local blog, called DenverUrbanism, has posted some new updates on the ongoing South Terminal Development.

http://denverurbanism.com/

Good pix, and the last video that show the stages of the development I think is neat to watch.

New info includes moving the rail tracks to the west, leaving room for future expansion.

Enjoy.......

 

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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4503 times:

Always great to see public transportation extended to America's airports - but that is going to be one cold station in the winter!

I think the hotel size overpowers the roof of the original terminal.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5276 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4394 times:

It'll be nice to have the project finished, especially the rail project. Rail will definitely make commuting to and from DEN that much easier. Fortunately, construction at DEN hasn't really been all that disruptive, at least for the time being.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 1):
but that is going to be one cold station in the winter!

It shouldn't be too bad. Denver doesn't get all that cold in winter. You can usually count on a high in the upper 30's or 40's, and many winter days reach into the high 50's and even sometimes into the low 60's. There should only be a few days a year where waiting outside for the train will be unbearable.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 1):
think the hotel size overpowers the roof of the original terminal.

I agree, and that is absolutely my biggest concern with the project. While I am thrilled about the extension of the light rail system to the airport, the hotel overpowers the original terminal and just ruins the overall design, IMHO.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17510 posts, RR: 45
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4335 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 2):
Rail will definitely make commuting to and from DEN that much easier

Is it going to be nonstop? Or even fast? Putting even a few stops on a rail line between DIA and downtown Denver is going to make it take prohibitively long.



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
Is it going to be nonstop? Or even fast? Putting even a few stops on a rail line between DIA and downtown Denver is going to make it take prohibitively long.

The new line will have a total of 7 stations.... so 5 stops between downtown and DIA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Corridor_%28RTD%29

Plus this east corridor line will be using EMU commuter trains instead of the light rail cars on the existing RTD light rail lines.



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4196 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
Is it going to be nonstop? Or even fast? Putting even a few stops on a rail line between DIA and downtown Denver is going to make it take prohibitively long.

It will be no worse than any other US (or international for that matter) rail connection to a major airport, and provide a huge improvement over the current bus service (which takes about an hour to downtown Denver as-is).


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3754 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4196 times:

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 4):
Plus this east corridor line will be using EMU commuter trains instead of the light rail cars on the existing RTD light rail lines.

IIRC, Hyundai Rotem (owned by the Hyundai-Kia Automotive Group and supplier of SEPTA's latest EMU units) will supply these trainsets.

Much like other commuter trains, the shells will be built overseas (in this case, South Korea) and shipped to the US for outfitting with systems and interiors to comply with Buy American Act rules for transit agencies.

[Edited 2013-02-19 09:39:38]


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User currently offlineMIflyer12 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 1):
Always great to see public transportation extended to America's airports - but that is going to be one cold station in the winter!

There's little reason to have people wait outside at all - ATL's car rental train shows how it can be done. (ATL makes the mistake of having people outside in a very short street crossing between terminal and train station, but waiting is done inside.)


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5276 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4051 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
Is it going to be nonstop? Or even fast? Putting even a few stops on a rail line between DIA and downtown Denver is going to make it take prohibitively long.

It's supposed to be 35 minutes from Union Station to DEN, which should be quite a bit better than driving downtown to DEN during high traffic periods.



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User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3138 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
Is it going to be nonstop? Or even fast? Putting even a few stops on a rail line between DIA and downtown Denver is going to make it take prohibitively long.

People still use trains to SEA, EWR, ORD, SFO, ATL, and DCA. Maybe the number of stops deters people, but doubt those kind of people would use mass transit anyhow.

-Rampart


User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 706 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

Quoting rampart (Reply 9):
People still use trains to SEA

And boy is it slow, but a helluva lot cheaper than a taxi.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17510 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

Quoting rampart (Reply 9):
People still use trains to SEA, EWR, ORD, SFO, ATL, and DCA. Maybe the number of stops deters people, but doubt those kind of people would use mass transit anyhow.

They're all a heck of a lot closer to downtown than DEN, and in most of those cases, 'downtown' is a lot more concentrated than in DEN.



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
They're all a heck of a lot closer to downtown than DEN

I'm not sure I understand your argument. The train will take 35 min, which is little slower than it takes to drive with no traffic. In even a little traffic, the train will be as fast if not faster than driving, and one heck of a lot cheaper if you are not just picking up/dropping off. Are you saying Denver should not provide a long-term public transit solution to it's major airport because some people are not patient enough to sit on a train for half an hour?


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17510 posts, RR: 45
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 12):
I'm not sure I understand your argument.

I'm saying don't be like IAD, where the Silver line will never reach and once it does it's going to take a month of sundays to get there from DC



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
I'm saying don't be like IAD, where the Silver line will never reach and once it does it's going to take a month of sundays to get there from DC

A ride from Metro Center to Dulles on the metro would be painfully long trip to endure -- and try doing that during the evening rush. But I've said many times that the stop at IAD is a minor side benefit of the silver line and I never saw it as a means of providing great rail service there. It was always more for providing better mass transit in the Tysons/Dulles corridor plain and simple.


That said the RTD east corridor line is designed to serve the airport, with a few select intermediate stops along the way (including at a new light rail line along the I-225 corridor). I think in this case RTD is doing it right.



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User currently offlineseatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 2):
It shouldn't be too bad. Denver doesn't get all that cold in winter. You can usually count on a high in the upper 30's or 40's, and many winter days reach into the high 50's and even sometimes into the low 60's. There should only be a few days a year where waiting outside for the train will be unbearable.

Well then I must be hitting the few days each year when it's so cold that you can see ice crystals floating in the air.

As a weekly traveller into DEN, I think the airport is a mess. The rental car operations are terrible and seem extremely inefficient.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8379 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

As I understand it this is a commuter line in and out of Union Station, built predominantly for people commuting in and out of Denver daily. The main goal of this line was not to be an airport train, or am I wrong? Extending it to DIA was a good idea, IMO. Two birds with one stone, as they say. It's even better that the last stop before the airport is at a Park and Ride which may offer a better and cheaper alternative for long term parking.

User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
I'm saying don't be like IAD, where the Silver line will never reach and once it does it's going to take a month of sundays to get there from DC

And it isn't if you looked at the plan. The train will depart from Union Station in downtown Denver (main transport hub for metro Denver), make a few stops, and end up under the new hotel right in front of the DIA terminal.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17510 posts, RR: 45
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3575 times:

Quoting seatback (Reply 15):
As a weekly traveller into DEN, I think the airport is a mess.

Other than one of the nation's worst TSA setups and terrible concessions I've never had any problem with DEN, but I haven't had to deal with rental cars much either.

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 14):
That said the RTD east corridor line is designed to serve the airport, with a few select intermediate stops along the way (including at a new light rail line along the I-225 corridor). I think in this case RTD is doing it right.

I'm not sure it works in such a spread out city like Denver with not much of anything but the airport along the route but it'll be interesting to see how it works.



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User currently offlineseatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3553 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
Other than one of the nation's worst TSA setups and terrible concessions I've never had any problem with DEN

Oh, you shouldn't have gotten me started on the concessions. Terminal C's concessions are terrible, offering little selection. However, I will say using the TSA precheck line takes me about 40 seconds to clear security.

BTW, I can't stand that Delta doesn't have a SkyClub there.


User currently offlineytib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

Quoting seatback (Reply 19):
Oh, you shouldn't have gotten me started on the concessions. Terminal C's concessions are terrible, offering little selection.

What would you like to see there on Concourse C.


User currently offlineseatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3512 times:

Quoting ytib (Reply 20):
What would you like to see there on Concourse C.

Well, one idea would be to put a Chipotle in, since DEN is their hometown. A Chili's would be nice too.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17510 posts, RR: 45
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

Quoting seatback (Reply 19):
Oh, you shouldn't have gotten me started on the concessions.

They've actually improved a lot in the last five +/- years. The area around the airport, however, hasn't improved as much.



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User currently offlineCaspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 382 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

Quoting seatback (Reply 15):
Well then I must be hitting the few days each year when it's so cold that you can see ice crystals floating in the air.

As a weekly traveller into DEN, I think the airport is a mess. The rental car operations are terrible and seem extremely inefficient.

I am a Denver native and I can't think of one time it was so cold that I actually saw ice crystals in the air. I didn't even have to put on my jacket to do pre/post flight inspections most days so far this winter.

I also don't understand your comment about the rental cars. This is a very subjective statement you make with no real examples. I personally don't think it's any more inefficient than most other airports. What is efficient in your mind? Having a consolidated rental car facility like PHX?



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User currently offlineantoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1572 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3060 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
Other than one of the nation's worst TSA setups and terrible concessions I've never had any problem with DEN, but I haven't had to deal with rental cars much either.

From what I've seen, it's the perfect set-up from a ramp perspective in a large airport... straight lines of parking spaces everywhere, no trying to cram two planes into a corner or any of that silliness that many airports have.

From a passenger perspective, boy oh boy could they have done better with setting up Security. Spend a little more money to move it out of the middle of everything, PLEASE. The food in the main terminal seems to be a pretty good assortment and amount... Concourses do seem to lack much in the way of that, though.



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25 airfrnt : There is extra room in the rail facility for a eventual direct line to the rental car area as well. In terms of security, it's well worth remembering
26 PSU.DTW.SCE : The train to DEN is a huge benefit for passengers headed directly to downtown or visiting someone within a reasonable distance of a stop. The Denver
27 seatback : I was a long time Denver resident too...love the city and the area. However, back in January, as I waited for 20 minutes for the National shuttle bus
28 beechtobus : Agreed, I really don't understand why the platforms werent placed underground or at the very least that train shed wasnt extended to cover the entire
29 MaverickM11 : It's better, but it's still not great. There are a zillion hotels and a Village Inn, and a couple other restaurants of that level, but definitely not
30 PSU.DTW.SCE : No one ever wants to hang-out in hotels & restaurants near any airport. Every major airport has this type of development nearby - ORD, DFW, DTW,
31 Post contains images airbazar : But it will give plenty of people the option to rent a car in the city and bypass the ridiculous airport charges MCO does it right. SFO is a nice ban
32 Post contains images seatback : Agreed. Although there's no one ever in the precheck line, so it's the easiest precheck I've seen. DFW's North airport exit has some very nice chain
33 Post contains images point2point : The several times that I've had to go through the TSA at DEN, it's either been a breeze -one or two people ahead of me in the line, or a pain in the
34 MaverickM11 : Right but the idea was for the area to become more developed area with a major community development just south of DEN...certainly much more so than
35 PSU.DTW.SCE : Yes, although the hotels are very spartan in comparison to much nicer properties in downtown Dallas or Fort Worth or other surrounding areas. Airport
36 Post contains links and images point2point : Maybe the new 10 story hotel, along with the new public space and the shiny new train terminal that's being built now will change people's perception
37 PSU.DTW.SCE : I'm not necessarily refering to the hotel right in the airport terminal itself (e.g. DTW- Westin, DFW-Hyatt, new DEN hotel) but the tracts of hotels
38 DesertJets : Nobody ever stayed near the airport because those were great properties for sure, unless they really love eating at Applebee's or love the breakfast
39 MaverickM11 : No it was a development planned sorta east of Tower Road and south of Pena. I forget the name though...it was probably cut short by the housing crisi
40 Post contains images point2point : I haven't been to the other areas that you've mentioned a couple of posts above, and will take your view on those. However, if at DEN you're referrin
41 rampart : Seattle seemed like a long train ride, but I was happy to take that rather than a taxi. I think because of the lack of density the ride to DEN will b
42 beechtobus : I do tend to go through in the evening (after 8 or so) and usually seems to be a breeze compared to other major airports I usually go through (LAX, O
43 slcdeltarumd11 : Its probably the slowest airport in america both for flyers to get from plane to rental car and the time needed to get to a hotel. The new airport ho
44 PSU.DTW.SCE : Yeah, after 8pm the airport is really quiet. No wonder TSA is never an issue at that time. The last of the flights headed to cities east of the Missi
45 denverdanny : The airport being constructed originally had the rental car facilities on a level of the parking garage, but the rental car companies decided they wan
46 PSU.DTW.SCE : January 12th, is when I saw this phenomenon I wonder if they would ever think about covering over the security checkpoints and opening up the great h
47 Post contains links and images point2point : Current Denver Mayor Hancock just recently announced plans for DEN that are not "aviation" related, so to speak. This includes Airport City and Airpo
48 PSU.DTW.SCE : Interesting.... However it seems like every major airport with nearby vacant land has envisioned an Aero-tropolis idea. Sounds great on paper, but in
49 Post contains images mariner : So I guess DIA isn't known as "Frederico's Folly" - or Peña's Folly - anymore? mariner
50 Post contains images rampart : Interesting commentary and links, p2p, thanks! Cool! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's the "CONRAC" (short for "Consolidated Rental Car Facili
51 Post contains images point2point : I agree that that it won't spring from nothing, but at least area planners have something on paper as to where they want to go in the next 50 or so y
52 Post contains links and images mariner : It was common currency in the early days of DIA: http://fumento.com/transport/specpena.html "FEDERICO’S FOLLY" http://diaconspiracyfiles.com/2011/0
53 Post contains images point2point : I'm sure that you do. But my line of questioning is that why do you think that it has stopped? I would think that there's still a lot of follies that
54 mariner : Because it appears to have been so successful. In the early days DIA was seen as a complete white elephant - and it is provably not. Or so it seems t
55 Post contains images point2point : Okay my friend....... Since success plays its part in this now.... I guess that we'll have to think of a new name for the current follies that go on
56 mariner : The follies at DIA are one thing, many have those. DIA itself cannot, I think, be considered a folly, as it once was. Frederico Peña had the remarka
57 denverdanny : Well, it cost more than expected, and a lot of extra costs came from design changes and delays. However, it was a steal compared to what other airport
58 airfrnt : DEN has been remarkably successful, and is, IMNSHO, the best airport in the US. Compare the airport cost to what other airports are paying now for jus
59 777ER : This thread has gone off topic and bringing it back on topic would require the thread to be gutted. Topic is now archived
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