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User currently offlineilari From Finland, joined Jul 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7627 times:

Ok, should we start a new thread on Finland? (as we're officially not Scandinavian)

Some time ago I was listening to radio news and they mentioned a new charter airline called Snowbird starting operations later this year. Anything new on this? Their website http://www.snowbird.fi is not on yet.

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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 673 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7641 times:

I heard the same rumours about snowbird. They are a group of ex-Finnair employees who are behind this. ops should start with a single leased A320, summer 2013 if I have understood correctly.

They might have a chance since Air Finland is out of the picture.

I have been waiting for the announcement of new AY CEO. It has been some time now since the announcement of the current to leave his post.


User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7388 times:
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Quoting AY" class="quote" target="_blank">okAY (Reply 1):
I have been waiting for the announcement of new AY CEO. It has been some time now since the announcement of the current to leave his post.

It should be made before the Annual General Meeting that is scheduled to be held at 27th of March 2013.



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User currently offlineilari From Finland, joined Jul 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7309 times:

Do you think the AY ceo could be foreign, as Kauppalehti reckoned? Finn or foreign, I truly hope (s)he has knowledge of aviation business.

User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7275 times:
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Quoting ilari (Reply 3):
Do you think the AY ceo could be foreign, as Kauppalehti reckoned? Finn or foreign, I truly hope (s)he has knowledge of aviation business.

Well there is the suggestion from Shareholders' Nomination Committee. That Mr. Klaus W. Heinemann to be elected as Chairman of the Board. Year ago his haw hot potato in annual general meeting. Mainly because the elder shareholders don't want any "outsiders" to AY's Board of Directors. But now I must say that AY has to keep every door open.



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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 673 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7253 times:

The nationality of the CEO makes no difference, skills and competence do, in my opinion.

I hope AY will go ahead with the idea of having 3 classes in A350. Economy+ seems to be a popular product, I think it would be a bad choice not to capitalize on it.


User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 1002 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7214 times:

Quoting AY" class="quote" target="_blank">okAY (Reply 5):

I hope AY will go ahead with the idea of having 3 classes in A350. Economy+ seems to be a popular product, I think it would be a bad choice not to capitalize on it.

Yes Y+ would be very welcome, especially if the product offers more than a regular Y seat with two inches more legroom... They have also said they are considering replacing in-seat video screens with tablets.


User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7195 times:

Quoting okAY (Reply 1):
I heard the same rumours about snowbird. They are a group of ex-Finnair employees who are behind this. ops should start with a single leased A320, summer 2013 if I have understood correctly.

Finnair employees? I thought they were ex-Air Finland employees. Could be both, though.

They probably won't start with their own AOC this summer, maybe not even in this year. That process takes a lot of time, so they may start as an virtual airline.


User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 673 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7168 times:

Quoting HELyes (Reply 6):
They have also said they are considering replacing in-seat video screens with tablets.

I don't see the added value in this. Anything you can put on a tablet u can put on a fixed IFE seatback-mounted monitor. Tablets get broken more easily as people end up sitting on them, dropping them etc. And most probably someone will try to steal them, too.


User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7141 times:

Quoting okAY (Reply 8):
Tablets get broken more easily as people end up sitting on them, dropping them etc. And most probably someone will try to steal them, too.

True, but they are probably cheaper to purchase than IFE systems.

They may put some kind of chain from the seat to the tablet or something like that. You know same way tablets and phones are displayed in stores.

[Edited 2013-02-20 07:19:29]

User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 1002 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7079 times:

Quoting finnishway (Reply 9):
True, but they are probably cheaper to purchase than IFE systems.

Yes, the built-in entertainment systems tend to get outdated rather quickly. Personally I would be happy with a good WiFi.


User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 673 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7033 times:

A little off topic, but IFE can be the next thing to be charged. Food, bags, seat selection etc have already undergone this change, why not IFE. It is technically possible to block individual monitors, so why not block them all and open them when a pax so wants, for, let's say 5 euros.

User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6983 times:

Quoting okAY (Reply 11):
IFE can be the next thing to be charged

One more reason not to fly with Finnair.

[Edited 2013-02-20 13:39:13]

User currently offlinesailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6960 times:

so what are the future plans of HEL airport? Any new plans or do they plan to fit all a340/333and 350 in that small terminal? I wish they could take more risks, but its a strict no no in the scandinavian business world.


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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 673 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6898 times:

Quoting finnishway (Reply 12):

Sorry, wrote a little unclear. I meant in general this could be the next source of revenue for any airline. AY has, as far as I know, no plans to start charging. The only airline I know is doing so to an extent is Thomson Airways who has basic and premium packages available for IFE. The premium package costs 5 pounds and if you buy it, you get more movies, games, series etc.

These systems are really expensive. To be honest, as I have my laptop and iPhone, I would not mind the little screen being switched off and flying cheaper.

[Edited 2013-02-21 01:14:42]

User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6827 times:

Quoting okAY (Reply 14):
The only airline I know is doing so to an extent is Thomson Airways who has basic and premium packages available for IFE. The premium package costs 5 pounds and if you buy it, you get more movies, games, series etc.

Well, it mostly flies charters and I try to avoid them, so not a problem for me. Anyway 5 pounds for a long flight is not much, I could pay that.

I don't think that airlines like BA or LH would begin to charge using IFE.


User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 673 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6740 times:

Quoting sailas (Reply 13):

I'd say in the Finnish business world. Swedes are much more courageous in taking chances. They realise that sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, but if you do nothing, nothing will happen either. We Finns like to think no-risk business is best.

If AY wants to achieve the goal it has set, doubling Asia-traffic by 2020, a new terminal needs to be built. They have now around 15 long haul planes. Times two = 30 long hauler, present space is nowhere near sufficient.


User currently offlinesailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days ago) and read 6543 times:

But there are still no plans or proposals in building a new terminal?


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User currently onlinevin2basketball From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6541 times:

Quoting AY" class="quote" target="_blank">okAY (Reply 16):
If AY wants to achieve the goal it has set, doubling Asia-traffic by 2020, a new terminal needs to be built. They have now around 15 long haul planes. Times two = 30 long hauler, present space is nowhere near sufficient.

Not all of AY's long hauls are to Asia, plus there is some scope for increased Seat Factors, and increased utilization of existing fleet; you could hypothetically double the traffic with maybe 22-23 long haul aircraft.


User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6501 times:

I have seen a discussion in another forum that the Finish domestic market is in tatters since Flybe Nordic has entered the scene - a lot of routes getting canned, other having their frequencies / timings adjusted so that they have become rather useless and Flybe Nordic apparently flying around half empty planes. Is this true or just some wild exaggeration of the situation?

[Edited 2013-02-23 17:13:39]

User currently offlinesailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6443 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 19):

Id beleive in that aswell.

January 2013 %-Change January %-Change

Domestic
Passengers 1000 123,8 -9,8 123,8 -9,8
Available seat kilometres mill 115,1 -7,9 115,1 -7,9
Revenue passenger kilometres mill 66,3 -9,4 66,3 -9,4
Passenger load factor % 57,6 -1,0 p 57,6 -1,0 p



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User currently offlinesailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6218 times:

i was just thinking when will AY will start replacing their A320s? I know the a321 ER comes this year but arent the a320 and a319 getting to be of age?


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User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6142 times:
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First to go are the B752's that are doing the charter flights.


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User currently offlinesailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6034 times:

Quoting teme82 (Reply 22):

I know, and i am so happy about that. I would have chosen AY to fly to DXB but only if they would have done it in a a340/330. All Y configured 757 is not for me. Poor sardines even.



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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 673 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5984 times:

Quoting sailas (Reply 21):

First A32s came early 2000, if my memory serves me correct. Some of them are owned, some leased. I think AY will stick with the series, however aircraft specific phase out happens surely as lease contracts come to an end etc. Thinking on a larger scale, if not A32s, then what? B73s is just as old and they would lose the ability to Cris-cross crews with the big Airbuses.

Quoting sailas (Reply 17):

AFAIK no. Helsinki Airport just announced they will start dividing Schengen arrivals into two different arrivals halls, so a pax needs to know at the gate which direction to go as he disembarks. I think this is bad for Helsinki Airport, even at bigger airports there is usually one arrivals hall for Schengen/one for non-Schengen. Helsinki loses its attraction as being small/convenient airport due to this. But then again, transfer pax to/from Asia will never know about this.


25 finnishway : True, unfortunately. There have been a couple of plans some years ago, but no decisions have been made. Right now there is one major problem in Finla
26 teme82 : I think that Finavia should sell some of the regional airports. But who would buy them?
27 finnishway : Municipalities and regions if they care about their air connections. Who would pay for this? Taxpayers. Private companies could also by them.
28 g2scandinavia : Is Vantaa the only profitable airport in Finland?
29 teme82 : Sadly it is the only profitable airport in Finland that is owned by Finavia. There is Mikkeli airport that is owned by City of Mikkeli (MIK/EFMI), do
30 finnishway : Yes, it is the only profitable commercial airport in Finland. All of those profits are used to run HEL and other airports in Finland. There is a grou
31 g2scandinavia : I used ti live in Espoo and Helsinki back in 2000/2001. I was a bit surprised that there are actually no other competing capital airport for Helsinki.
32 finnishway : There is no actual need for another airport. HEL is good enough and there is space to build another terminal if needed. Where do they actually need a
33 Post contains images Treg : Wasn't Tampere (TMP) adverticed by Ryanair as Helsinki for a while? A bit further than Skavsta from Stockholm, but not much [Edited 2013-02-28 03:49:
34 Post contains images ilari : And at some point someone suggested LPR being called St Petersburg West.
35 Ideekay : Any new news about how Flybe Nordic (Or is it called Flybe Finland now) is doing on the route HEL-MHQ?
36 ilari : Apparently quite well or at least ok. Air Åland has long ago quit the route.
37 sailas : i thought Mikkeli airport has been out of use for a long time? I love seeing HEL grow, but it seems like a painfully long process...
38 finnishway : There hasn't been scheduled commercial flights for a long time. It is still in use, but mostly for general aviation. Finnish Air Force started to fly
39 Post contains images teme82 : It is. Because the Finnish ARMY HQ is in Mikkeli. Anyway they are seeing some bizz jets from Russia in there. It's nice not busy airport close to the
40 sailas : out of topic but the army HQ in Mikkeli was stopped years back. Last time i went to Mikkeli airport it looked like nothing had been there for a decad
41 Post contains images teme82 : Nope. It now is in Mikkeli. Even their www page says so
42 Post contains images sailas : ahh i see, i served in Parolannummi and answer to HELITR. Im sure i would have a hard time shooting planes if it ever came to it . I flew TK to DXB fr
43 okAY : HEL has grown. Destination-wise, the Asia-network is impressive to say the least. There has been growth, it has just been driven by AY. Reasons for t
44 teme82 : I bet you had to change plane at IST. I don't know how much there is demand for HEL-DBX route. But there has been rumors about gulf carriers starting
45 Post contains links okAY : Finnair is celebrating its 90 years of operations this year. The airline is releasing a series of videos, featuring historic as well as current footag
46 sailas : Yes had to change in IST. Needless to say the plane was 100% full from IST to DXB, even tough it was a a332, 31st of december, and arrival time at 2
47 okAY : I second that. I have worked at HEL, in the shops, on tarmac as well as running from one gate to another, so I have seen it inside out. What I don't
48 Post contains images sailas : ahaha i thought i was the only one who tought the same way about this But HEL should have done the rail link a long time ago. I remember when i was s
49 okAY : Yeah, the raillink is well over due. I'm happy it will be part of the communal rail service a la AMS, not a private company venture like Arlanda Expr
50 Post contains images sailas : This is true. I already feel sorry for the tourists if they come on a late evening train on a friday night... How many more routes can AY open with t
51 teme82 : It's now only operator for SAS. :,(
52 okAY : I don't see this happening with AY having such strong presence on the route. But maybe another OW carrier like CX alongside AY, like JAL (when they a
53 sailas : Im really waiting for JL to start with the 787. I think it will work. But i know quite a few people who would fly TG over AY to BKK. Mainly because o
54 teme82 : Just asking who is going to AY Annual General Meeting in the 27th of this month? They today started registration for the meeting.
55 filoflyer : If i remember correctly QR had plans... Still have plans? Of opening hel-doha route... But its taking them ages...
56 Post contains images filoflyer : Hoping cx would open helsinki as i always fly with them....
57 sailas : I remember this too. I hope it will come.
58 filoflyer : Yeah i remember as well as i had a drink with a QR officer who was in HEL as they were in the process of opening HEL-DOH that was autmn of 2011. Stil
59 sailas : Oh ya i remember that too. Were they wearing Kanduras or was it too cold at the time?
60 Post contains images filoflyer : No not kanduras. The team were mostly foreign QR excs. But yeah they were complaining it was cold
61 debonair : Sorry if posted before... I heard rumors that some of AY's B757-200 will be lsd out to Aer Lingus. Is it true - and how is it possible? The B757 is th
62 okAY : AY is supposed to receive the first A321ER at the "latter part of this year". This type will replace the 757-fleet at AY. AY does not own the 757 fle
63 HELyes : I've understood next winter is the last season AY use 757's, there are only four aircraft left. No more HiFly services it seems. AY have return to th
64 Post contains links debonair : BTW. what do you think about SNOWBIRD- the new Finnish Charter airline? http://www.snowbird.fi/
65 Post contains images okAY : There is very little information in regards to this start-up. Some of the people behind it seem to have worked for Finnair and Air Finland in the pas
66 Post contains links teme82 : AY starts testing of tablets as replacement of IFE in one A333 (OH-LTT). Source : http://dlvr.it/363TNt
67 okAY : Great news! Good they do this trial to learn about it, and not do it like Norwegian, who says they "offer" free wi-fi, which in reality is so slow it
68 finnishway : Not good. This is so Finnair. Their service is already behind for example BA and LH. Eventually they will get rid of these tablets and say "we offer
69 viasa : What's happen to the only left Embraer 170s of Finnair (OH-LEL, 1700139) after its return from Honeywell? Is it still stored at HEL? OH-LEE --> to
70 Ideekay : I think it will fly for Flybe Nordic as finnair moved all their embraers to them.
71 Post contains links finnishway : The chairman of Finnair says that new CEO will be announced in a few weeks. He also says that there has been "many interesting applicants". Source (in
72 Post contains images teme82 : I was there and the iCEO V. Iho gave us really good presentation. My bet is on him
73 okAY : Can you give us a briefing what was said? Anything interesting?
74 Post contains images finnishway : If I interpret that right we already know the next CEO.
75 teme82 : That the company is doing fine but there is a lot of to do to stay on the profit. AY will be focusing to the main business that is moving passengers f
76 okAY : JV in Asia? Who would be the counterpart? JAL? No news about Eco+ in A350?
77 Post contains images teme82 : JL or CX or both.... No news about Eco+ on the A350
78 Post contains links okAY : Finnish government is going ahead with selling majority of Finnair. According to the Finnish Broadcasting Company, the government plans to sell as man
79 finnishway : That is very likely, but if I remember right IAG made quite big loss last year. You just can't buy if you don't have money enough. IAG bought BMI las
80 Ideekay : That would be wonderfull in my opinion! AY could maybe follow the track of LX but a bit smaller.
81 DLBOIFIN : Uuh, I really hope this won'tt happen. For several reasons, I see that AY will be much better off with BA/IAG than it would be with LH.
82 Post contains images teme82 : IAG is only able to get the shares that our Government would sell. So no takeover at all. And I would like to have 6 IAG shares for one AY share that
83 Post contains links okAY : A few updates on Finnish aviation: Finnair has released the third clip on youtube to celebrate their 90th anniversary Life at Finnair's Network Contro
84 Post contains links finnishway : Pekka Vauramo is the new CEO of Finnair. Former CEO of Cargotec. http://www.hs.fi/m/talous/Cargotecin...rin+toimitusjohtaja/a1365038954874
85 iksu : New CEO for Finnair has been selected: https://newsclient.omxgroup.com/cdsPublic/viewDisclosure.action?disclosureId=549855&lang=en I was hoping fo
86 Post contains images teme82 : Darn and I was hoping that Iho would get the place. Oh well if he stays working for AY perhaps he can be the CEO in the future.
87 HELFAN : A mining engineer! Will be interesting to see what type of visions he will have about Finnair service development in the future.
88 okAY : Indeed. I am not happy, I must admit. I was hoping for Heinemann myself. Well, best of luck to Vauramo in his up coming tasks. Funny coincidence that
89 finnishway : For me this was a surprise, but I think it is good that nobody really guessed this. Of course a person with experience from aviation would have been b
90 Post contains links Ideekay : I kinda like how he says that not everybody likes the food on the flights, hopefully he will change something! http://www.iltasanomat.fi/kotimaa/art-
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