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Finnish Aviation Thread - Part?  
User currently offlineilari From Finland, joined Jul 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7485 times:

Ok, should we start a new thread on Finland? (as we're officially not Scandinavian)

Some time ago I was listening to radio news and they mentioned a new charter airline called Snowbird starting operations later this year. Anything new on this? Their website http://www.snowbird.fi is not on yet.

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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7499 times:

I heard the same rumours about snowbird. They are a group of ex-Finnair employees who are behind this. ops should start with a single leased A320, summer 2013 if I have understood correctly.

They might have a chance since Air Finland is out of the picture.

I have been waiting for the announcement of new AY CEO. It has been some time now since the announcement of the current to leave his post.


User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7246 times:
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Quoting AY" class="quote" target="_blank">okAY (Reply 1):
I have been waiting for the announcement of new AY CEO. It has been some time now since the announcement of the current to leave his post.

It should be made before the Annual General Meeting that is scheduled to be held at 27th of March 2013.



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User currently offlineilari From Finland, joined Jul 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7167 times:

Do you think the AY ceo could be foreign, as Kauppalehti reckoned? Finn or foreign, I truly hope (s)he has knowledge of aviation business.

User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7133 times:
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Quoting ilari (Reply 3):
Do you think the AY ceo could be foreign, as Kauppalehti reckoned? Finn or foreign, I truly hope (s)he has knowledge of aviation business.

Well there is the suggestion from Shareholders' Nomination Committee. That Mr. Klaus W. Heinemann to be elected as Chairman of the Board. Year ago his haw hot potato in annual general meeting. Mainly because the elder shareholders don't want any "outsiders" to AY's Board of Directors. But now I must say that AY has to keep every door open.



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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7111 times:

The nationality of the CEO makes no difference, skills and competence do, in my opinion.

I hope AY will go ahead with the idea of having 3 classes in A350. Economy+ seems to be a popular product, I think it would be a bad choice not to capitalize on it.


User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 941 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7072 times:

Quoting AY" class="quote" target="_blank">okAY (Reply 5):

I hope AY will go ahead with the idea of having 3 classes in A350. Economy+ seems to be a popular product, I think it would be a bad choice not to capitalize on it.

Yes Y+ would be very welcome, especially if the product offers more than a regular Y seat with two inches more legroom... They have also said they are considering replacing in-seat video screens with tablets.


User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7053 times:

Quoting okAY (Reply 1):
I heard the same rumours about snowbird. They are a group of ex-Finnair employees who are behind this. ops should start with a single leased A320, summer 2013 if I have understood correctly.

Finnair employees? I thought they were ex-Air Finland employees. Could be both, though.

They probably won't start with their own AOC this summer, maybe not even in this year. That process takes a lot of time, so they may start as an virtual airline.


User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7026 times:

Quoting HELyes (Reply 6):
They have also said they are considering replacing in-seat video screens with tablets.

I don't see the added value in this. Anything you can put on a tablet u can put on a fixed IFE seatback-mounted monitor. Tablets get broken more easily as people end up sitting on them, dropping them etc. And most probably someone will try to steal them, too.


User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6999 times:

Quoting okAY (Reply 8):
Tablets get broken more easily as people end up sitting on them, dropping them etc. And most probably someone will try to steal them, too.

True, but they are probably cheaper to purchase than IFE systems.

They may put some kind of chain from the seat to the tablet or something like that. You know same way tablets and phones are displayed in stores.

[Edited 2013-02-20 07:19:29]

User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 941 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6937 times:

Quoting finnishway (Reply 9):
True, but they are probably cheaper to purchase than IFE systems.

Yes, the built-in entertainment systems tend to get outdated rather quickly. Personally I would be happy with a good WiFi.


User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6891 times:

A little off topic, but IFE can be the next thing to be charged. Food, bags, seat selection etc have already undergone this change, why not IFE. It is technically possible to block individual monitors, so why not block them all and open them when a pax so wants, for, let's say 5 euros.

User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6841 times:

Quoting okAY (Reply 11):
IFE can be the next thing to be charged

One more reason not to fly with Finnair.

[Edited 2013-02-20 13:39:13]

User currently offlinesailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6818 times:

so what are the future plans of HEL airport? Any new plans or do they plan to fit all a340/333and 350 in that small terminal? I wish they could take more risks, but its a strict no no in the scandinavian business world.


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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6756 times:

Quoting finnishway (Reply 12):

Sorry, wrote a little unclear. I meant in general this could be the next source of revenue for any airline. AY has, as far as I know, no plans to start charging. The only airline I know is doing so to an extent is Thomson Airways who has basic and premium packages available for IFE. The premium package costs 5 pounds and if you buy it, you get more movies, games, series etc.

These systems are really expensive. To be honest, as I have my laptop and iPhone, I would not mind the little screen being switched off and flying cheaper.

[Edited 2013-02-21 01:14:42]

User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6685 times:

Quoting okAY (Reply 14):
The only airline I know is doing so to an extent is Thomson Airways who has basic and premium packages available for IFE. The premium package costs 5 pounds and if you buy it, you get more movies, games, series etc.

Well, it mostly flies charters and I try to avoid them, so not a problem for me. Anyway 5 pounds for a long flight is not much, I could pay that.

I don't think that airlines like BA or LH would begin to charge using IFE.


User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6598 times:

Quoting sailas (Reply 13):

I'd say in the Finnish business world. Swedes are much more courageous in taking chances. They realise that sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, but if you do nothing, nothing will happen either. We Finns like to think no-risk business is best.

If AY wants to achieve the goal it has set, doubling Asia-traffic by 2020, a new terminal needs to be built. They have now around 15 long haul planes. Times two = 30 long hauler, present space is nowhere near sufficient.


User currently offlinesailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6401 times:

But there are still no plans or proposals in building a new terminal?


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User currently offlinevin2basketball From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6399 times:

Quoting AY" class="quote" target="_blank">okAY (Reply 16):
If AY wants to achieve the goal it has set, doubling Asia-traffic by 2020, a new terminal needs to be built. They have now around 15 long haul planes. Times two = 30 long hauler, present space is nowhere near sufficient.

Not all of AY's long hauls are to Asia, plus there is some scope for increased Seat Factors, and increased utilization of existing fleet; you could hypothetically double the traffic with maybe 22-23 long haul aircraft.


User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4003 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6359 times:

I have seen a discussion in another forum that the Finish domestic market is in tatters since Flybe Nordic has entered the scene - a lot of routes getting canned, other having their frequencies / timings adjusted so that they have become rather useless and Flybe Nordic apparently flying around half empty planes. Is this true or just some wild exaggeration of the situation?

[Edited 2013-02-23 17:13:39]

User currently offlinesailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6301 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 19):

Id beleive in that aswell.

January 2013 %-Change January %-Change

Domestic
Passengers 1000 123,8 -9,8 123,8 -9,8
Available seat kilometres mill 115,1 -7,9 115,1 -7,9
Revenue passenger kilometres mill 66,3 -9,4 66,3 -9,4
Passenger load factor % 57,6 -1,0 p 57,6 -1,0 p



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User currently offlinesailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6076 times:

i was just thinking when will AY will start replacing their A320s? I know the a321 ER comes this year but arent the a320 and a319 getting to be of age?


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User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6000 times:
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First to go are the B752's that are doing the charter flights.


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User currently offlinesailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5892 times:

Quoting teme82 (Reply 22):

I know, and i am so happy about that. I would have chosen AY to fly to DXB but only if they would have done it in a a340/330. All Y configured 757 is not for me. Poor sardines even.



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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5842 times:

Quoting sailas (Reply 21):

First A32s came early 2000, if my memory serves me correct. Some of them are owned, some leased. I think AY will stick with the series, however aircraft specific phase out happens surely as lease contracts come to an end etc. Thinking on a larger scale, if not A32s, then what? B73s is just as old and they would lose the ability to Cris-cross crews with the big Airbuses.

Quoting sailas (Reply 17):

AFAIK no. Helsinki Airport just announced they will start dividing Schengen arrivals into two different arrivals halls, so a pax needs to know at the gate which direction to go as he disembarks. I think this is bad for Helsinki Airport, even at bigger airports there is usually one arrivals hall for Schengen/one for non-Schengen. Helsinki loses its attraction as being small/convenient airport due to this. But then again, transfer pax to/from Asia will never know about this.


User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5960 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 19):
I have seen a discussion in another forum that the Finish domestic market is in tatters since Flybe Nordic has entered the scene - a lot of routes getting canned, other having their frequencies / timings adjusted so that they have become rather useless and Flybe Nordic apparently flying around half empty planes. Is this true or just some wild exaggeration of the situation?

True, unfortunately.

Quoting sailas (Reply 17):
But there are still no plans or proposals in building a new terminal?

There have been a couple of plans some years ago, but no decisions have been made.

Right now there is one major problem in Finland. Helsinki airport is the only profitable airport in Finland if I remember right. All profits are used to run and improve other airports in Finland. Basically there is no money for a new terminal.


User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5881 times:
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Quoting finnishway (Reply 25):
All profits are used to run and improve other airports in Finland. Basically there is no money for a new terminal.

I think that Finavia should sell some of the regional airports. But who would buy them?



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User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5967 times:

Quoting teme82 (Reply 26):
I think that Finavia should sell some of the regional airports. But who would buy them?

Municipalities and regions if they care about their air connections. Who would pay for this? Taxpayers.

Private companies could also by them.


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 535 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5898 times:

Is Vantaa the only profitable airport in Finland?

User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5907 times:
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Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 28):
Is Vantaa the only profitable airport in Finland?

Sadly it is the only profitable airport in Finland that is owned by Finavia. There is Mikkeli airport that is owned by City of Mikkeli (MIK/EFMI), don't have figures how it is doing.



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User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5894 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 28):
Is Vantaa the only profitable airport in Finland?

Yes, it is the only profitable commercial airport in Finland. All of those profits are used to run HEL and other airports in Finland. There is a group trying to solve this problem. If I remember right they have been given two years to find solutions.


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 535 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5892 times:

I used ti live in Espoo and Helsinki back in 2000/2001.
I was a bit surprised that there are actually no other competing capital airport for Helsinki.

Oslo has Gardermoen, Torp and Rygge.
Stockholm has Arlanda, Bromma and Skavsta

I know Malmi's runway is to short, but are there any other airports or airfields planned as a future LCC airport?


User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5869 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 31):
I was a bit surprised that there are actually no other competing capital airport for Helsinki.

There is no actual need for another airport. HEL is good enough and there is space to build another terminal if needed.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 31):
Oslo has Gardermoen, Torp and Rygge.
Stockholm has Arlanda, Bromma and Skavsta

Where do they actually need all of these?

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 31):
I know Malmi's runway is to short, but are there any other airports or airfields planned as a future LCC airport?

Malmi hasn't been used for scheduled airline operations for many decades. There has also been plans to get rid of the airport and use the land for building houses or something like that.

There has been a couple of plans to build a future LCC airport. There has been plans to build airport to Hanko, Humppila, Lahti and Porvoo. In reality these are just plans. I don't think there is need for another airport so close to HEL. Why can't they just invest in Tampere which is only about two hours from Helsinki?

There is no need for more airports in Finland. Government wants to get rid of airports not build new ones.

[Edited 2013-02-28 02:59:00]

[Edited 2013-02-28 02:59:35]

User currently offlineTreg From Estonia, joined Oct 2001, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5849 times:

Quoting finnishway (Reply 32):
Stockholm has Arlanda, Bromma and Skavsta

Wasn't Tampere (TMP) adverticed by Ryanair as Helsinki for a while? A bit further than Skavsta from Stockholm, but not much  

[Edited 2013-02-28 03:49:58]

User currently offlineilari From Finland, joined Jul 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5809 times:

Quoting Treg (Reply 33):
Wasn't Tampere (TMP) adverticed by Ryanair as Helsinki for a while? A bit further than Skavsta from Stockholm, but not much

And at some point someone suggested LPR being called St Petersburg West.  


User currently offlineIdeekay From Switzerland, joined Jun 2012, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5809 times:

Any new news about how Flybe Nordic (Or is it called Flybe Finland now) is doing on the route HEL-MHQ?

User currently offlineilari From Finland, joined Jul 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5798 times:

Quoting Ideekay (Reply 35):
Any new news about how Flybe Nordic (Or is it called Flybe Finland now) is doing on the route HEL-MHQ?

Apparently quite well or at least ok. Air Åland has long ago quit the route.


User currently offlinesailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5704 times:

i thought Mikkeli airport has been out of use for a long time? I love seeing HEL grow, but it seems like a painfully long process...


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User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

Quoting sailas (Reply 37):
i thought Mikkeli airport has been out of use for a long time?

There hasn't been scheduled commercial flights for a long time. It is still in use, but mostly for general aviation.
Finnish Air Force started to fly once a week from Helsinki to Mikkeli last year. I don't know is this service still active.

[Edited 2013-02-28 08:21:51]

User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5585 times:
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Quoting finnishway (Reply 38):
Finnish Air Force started to fly once a week from Helsinki to Mikkeli last year. I don't know is this service still active.

It is. Because the Finnish ARMY HQ is in Mikkeli.  

Anyway they are seeing some bizz jets from Russia in there. It's nice not busy airport close to their "homes" in Finland  



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User currently offlinesailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5565 times:

Quoting teme82 (Reply 39):

out of topic but the army HQ in Mikkeli was stopped years back. Last time i went to Mikkeli airport it looked like nothing had been there for a decade. . .



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User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5492 times:
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Quoting sailas (Reply 40):
out of topic but the army HQ in Mikkeli was stopped years back. Last time i went to Mikkeli airport it looked like nothing had been there for a decade. . .

Nope. It now is in Mikkeli. Even their www page says so  



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User currently offlinesailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5366 times:

ahh i see, i served in Parolannummi and answer to HELITR. Im sure i would have a hard time shooting planes if it ever came to it  .

I flew TK to DXB from HEL and the plane was full. Very enjoyable 737-900er. Does the route really have this much demand? Why did AY not fly it?

Also i thought qatar was supposed to start flights to HEL? Any news on that? I just want to see HEL grow fast.



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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5225 times:

Quoting sailas (Reply 42):
I just want to see HEL grow fast.

HEL has grown. Destination-wise, the Asia-network is impressive to say the least. There has been growth, it has just been driven by AY. Reasons for that are quite clear. Small market, far from everything else. But golden geographical position for AY.


User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5213 times:
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Quoting sailas (Reply 42):
I flew TK to DXB from HEL and the plane was full. Very enjoyable 737-900er. Does the route really have this much demand? Why did AY not fly it?

I bet you had to change plane at IST. I don't know how much there is demand for HEL-DBX route. But there has been rumors about gulf carriers starting flights to HEL every now and then.



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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5187 times:

Finnair is celebrating its 90 years of operations this year. The airline is releasing a series of videos, featuring historic as well as current footage celebrating the voyage the company has made so far. Here are the first two clips released on youtube by Finnair:

Celebrating 90 Years of Finnair: A Chapter in Finnish Aviation History

What is the Finnair spirit? Celebrating 90 Years of Finnair

I wish AY would paint one aircraft in some special livery stating the celebration, but I have not heard of such plans.


User currently offlinesailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5114 times:

Quoting teme82 (Reply 44):

Yes had to change in IST. Needless to say the plane was 100% full from IST to DXB, even tough it was a a332, 31st of december, and arrival time at 2 am. Excellent quality TK offers.

HEL has grown it is true. But for some reason it is a airport i have never really learned to like. On the plus side i am happy that the rail link will be operational in a year.

Flying back from DXB with KL in a month. Shall be interesting, since ive never flown with them.

Quoting AY" class="quote" target="_blank">okAY (Reply 45):

Loving the videos. Good job from AY. I still think their new livery is boring, but thats just me.



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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5112 times:

Quoting sailas (Reply 46):
HEL has grown it is true. But for some reason it is a airport i have never really learned to like. On the plus side i am happy that the rail link will be operational in a year.

I second that. I have worked at HEL, in the shops, on tarmac as well as running from one gate to another, so I have seen it inside out. What I don't like is how they have stretched it like cheese. Now, it has become the longest tunnel ever to be called an airport, narrow and crowded. Also, the shops and cafes are stretching out to the walking areas, sometimes one is not sure is it "public" or shop area one is in.


User currently offlinesailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5048 times:

Quoting okAY (Reply 47):

ahaha i thought i was the only one who tought the same way about this   But HEL should have done the rail link a long time ago. I remember when i was small my parents always complaining about the lack of transport when we came on holiday. Now i carry on the legacy of complaining  



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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4918 times:

Quoting sailas (Reply 48):

Yeah, the raillink is well over due. I'm happy it will be part of the communal rail service a la AMS, not a private company venture like Arlanda Express, for example. That is so expensive and doesn't really make the trip so much shorter to justify the high price they ask.


User currently offlinesailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4771 times:

Quoting AY" class="quote" target="_blank">okAY (Reply 49):

This is true. I already feel sorry for the tourists if they come on a late evening train on a friday night...

How many more routes can AY open with their small fleet? With the introduction of Xi'an and Hanoi, would the longhaul fleet be under a very tight rotation schedule? Im assuming Palma de Mallorca will be flown with the a321 er..?
Ofcourse these 3 routes are seasonal but still...

How is blue1 doing? Ive never really learned to like SK group products, except once when i flew Stockholm - Ronneby, and was given a full size breakfast on a 736, that was a impecable flight.

Would TG ever fly to HEL? try to take out some of the OW passengers..? They could use the 772ER or a345   



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User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4742 times:
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Quoting sailas (Reply 50):
How is blue1 doing? Ive never really learned to like SK group products, except once when i flew Stockholm - Ronneby, and was given a full size breakfast on a 736, that was a impecable flight.

It's now only operator for SAS. :,(



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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

Quoting sailas (Reply 50):
Would TG ever fly to HEL? try to take out some of the OW passengers..? They could use the 772ER or a345

I don't see this happening with AY having such strong presence on the route. But maybe another OW carrier like CX alongside AY, like JAL (when they actually start the route). Both JL and CX were mentioned by AY CEO when he was telling about who they are planning to make closer co-operation with. So far only JL has announced something.


User currently offlinesailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4769 times:

Quoting AY" class="quote" target="_blank">okAY (Reply 52):

Im really waiting for JL to start with the 787. I think it will work. But i know quite a few people who would fly TG over AY to BKK. Mainly because of AYs monopoly position.

Now we need Qatar to start flights...or EK



Airlines been on: AY, LX, SR, OS, SK, KF, EZY, FR, BA, LH, AF, TG, DC, FC, TK, KL, BT, CX, QR
User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4618 times:
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Just asking who is going to AY Annual General Meeting in the 27th of this month? They today started registration for the meeting.


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User currently offlinefiloflyer From Finland, joined Feb 2012, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4547 times:

Quoting sailas (Reply 53):

If i remember correctly QR had plans... Still have plans? Of opening hel-doha route... But its taking them ages...


User currently offlinefiloflyer From Finland, joined Feb 2012, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

Quoting okAY (Reply 52):

Hoping cx would open helsinki   as i always fly with them....


User currently offlinesailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4495 times:

Quoting filoflyer (Reply 55):

I remember this too. I hope it will come.



Airlines been on: AY, LX, SR, OS, SK, KF, EZY, FR, BA, LH, AF, TG, DC, FC, TK, KL, BT, CX, QR
User currently offlinefiloflyer From Finland, joined Feb 2012, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4380 times:

Quoting sailas (Reply 57):

Yeah i remember as well as i had a drink with a QR officer who was in HEL as they were in the process of opening HEL-DOH that was autmn of 2011. Still no development.. They also hired cabin crew in helsinki.


User currently offlinesailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

Quoting filoflyer (Reply 58):

Oh ya i remember that too. Were they wearing Kanduras or was it too cold at the time?



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User currently offlinefiloflyer From Finland, joined Feb 2012, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4081 times:

No not kanduras. The team were mostly foreign QR excs. But yeah they were complaining it was cold 

User currently onlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 61, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4037 times:

Sorry if posted before...

I heard rumors that some of AY's B757-200 will be lsd out to Aer Lingus. Is it true - and how is it possible?

The B757 is the workhorse of AY's Charter fleet - flying long-range routes like HEL-SHJ-GOI and high demand traffic to the Canary Islands and Turkey. Which a/c will step in to replace these airframes?

In other news, also posted on a.net, I read AY will lease at least one A330 from HiFly (like last year) for long-haul charter flights. But I only see AY's own metal - so why does the deal fell through this year?


User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 61):
I heard rumors that some of AY's B757-200 will be lsd out to Aer Lingus. Is it true - and how is it possible?

AY is supposed to receive the first A321ER at the "latter part of this year". This type will replace the 757-fleet at AY. AY does not own the 757 fleet anymore, so what happens to them after they have been phased out is for the leasing company to sort out. Maybe then to Aer Lingus.


User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 941 posts, RR: 1
Reply 63, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

Quoting AY" class="quote" target="_blank">okAY (Reply 62):

I've understood next winter is the last season AY use 757's, there are only four aircraft left.

Quoting debonair (Reply 61):
In other news, also posted on a.net, I read AY will lease at least one A330 from HiFly (like last year) for long-haul charter flights. But I only see AY's own metal - so why does the deal fell through this year?


No more HiFly services it seems. AY have return to their own metal, often the newest A333 with most Y seats - and the flat beds in J. The new thing this winter have been 333 charter services from HEL to Cuba (VRA) and Mexico (CUN) via other Nordic airports. Also Langkawi and Saigon got more capacity with 333, Thailand (HKT/KBV) still being the absolute number one long haul charter destination. Also their 2x daily scheduled winter service to BKK serve many package holidaymakers.

AY is relatively big charter operator, sounds like ok business, Finns need their sun therapy...


User currently onlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 64, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

Quoting HELyes (Reply 63):
AY is relatively big charter operator, sounds like ok business, Finns need their sun therapy...

BTW. what do you think about SNOWBIRD- the new Finnish Charter airline? http://www.snowbird.fi/


User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 64):

There is very little information in regards to this start-up. Some of the people behind it seem to have worked for Finnair and Air Finland in the past. I welcome any new airline, if for nothing else to see a new livery!  On a more serious note, I think there is room for a charter/ad-hoc operator in Finland, since Air Finland went bust.


User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3611 times:
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AY starts testing of tablets as replacement of IFE in one A333 (OH-LTT).

Quote:
Finnair to test wireless Internet and HP's new ElitePad tablets for in-flight entertainment

Finnair’s customers soon will be the first airline passengers in the world to have the opportunity to try the Windows 8-powered HP ElitePad 900 tablets as in-flight entertainment.

Tomorrow, on 20th March, Finnair will begin a two-month trial of the tablets and wireless internet service on board one of its Airbus A330 wide body aircraft. The plane, with the registration OH-LTT, will be used on both scheduled and charter flights.

Source : http://dlvr.it/363TNt



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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Quoting teme82 (Reply 66):

Great news! Good they do this trial to learn about it, and not do it like Norwegian, who says they "offer" free wi-fi, which in reality is so slow it only makes one frustrated as everyone gets on it and then no one is able to actually use it.


User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3573 times:

Quoting teme82 (Reply 66):
AY starts testing of tablets as replacement of IFE in one A333

Not good. This is so Finnair. Their service is already behind for example BA and LH.
Eventually they will get rid of these tablets and say "we offer wi-fi, bring your own device so we can save money, but offer you much better service".

Quoting teme82 (Reply 66):
Finnair’s customers soon will be the first airline passengers in the world to have the opportunity to try the Windows 8-powered HP ElitePad 900 tablets as in-flight entertainment.

So they wanted to be first to do something, again. They could have chosen the iPad at least.

[Edited 2013-03-19 08:10:14]

User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1880 posts, RR: 6
Reply 69, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

What's happen to the only left Embraer 170s of Finnair (OH-LEL, 1700139) after its return from Honeywell? Is it still stored at HEL?

OH-LEE --> to Estonian Air as ES-AEA
OH-LEF --> to Estonian Air as ES-AEB
OH-LEG --> to Estonian Air as ES-AEC
OH-LEH --> to Estonian Air as ES-AED
OH-LEI --> to Flybe. Nordic (same registration, opf Finnair)
OH-LEK --> to Flybe. Nordic (same registration, opf Finnair)
OH-LEL
OH-LEM --> to Kenya Airways as 5Y-KYG
OH-LEN --> to Kenya Airways as 5Y-KYL
OH-LEO --> to People's Viennaline as OE-LMK


User currently offlineIdeekay From Switzerland, joined Jun 2012, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 70, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

Quoting viasa (Reply 69):
What's happen to the only left Embraer 170s of Finnair (OH-LEL, 1700139) after its return from Honeywell? Is it still stored at HEL?

I think it will fly for Flybe Nordic as finnair moved all their embraers to them.


User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3174 times:

The chairman of Finnair says that new CEO will be announced in a few weeks.

He also says that there has been "many interesting applicants".

Source (in Finnish)

http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/talous.sh...uusi-toimitusjohtaja-lahiviikkoina


User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3095 times:
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I was there and the iCEO V. Iho gave us really good presentation. My bet is on him  


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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

Quoting teme82 (Reply 72):

Can you give us a briefing what was said? Anything interesting?


User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

Quoting teme82 (Reply 72):
 

If I interpret that right we already know the next CEO.


User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3043 times:
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That the company is doing fine but there is a lot of to do to stay on the profit. AY will be focusing to the main business that is moving passengers from point A to point B. And looking ways to do the other things in house or by 3rd party. And the Asia strategy will be important to the company. He also hinted possible JV in Asia traffic. A350's will have WiFi as default. That is about it.

AY will pay dividend of 0.10 euro's per share!



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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

JV in Asia? Who would be the counterpart? JAL?

No news about Eco+ in A350?


User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3064 times:
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Quoting okAY (Reply 76):
JV in Asia? Who would be the counterpart? JAL?

No news about Eco+ in A350?

JL or CX or both.... No news about Eco+ on the A350  



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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

Finnish government is going ahead with selling majority of Finnair. According to the Finnish Broadcasting Company, the government plans to sell as many as 30-40% of the current stocks it owns of the airline. This would allow the airline to join alliances and ventures of various kinds with other airlines, said a Finnish Minister.

The action is being finalised in the ministry at the moment and the proposition is going to be introduced to the parliament in the near future.

I am quite sure AY will be bought by IAG, reason being that AY just joined the North Atlantic JV with IAG and AA.


source (in Finnish): YLE


User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

Quoting AY" class="quote" target="_blank">okAY (Reply 78):
I am quite sure AY will be bought by IAG

That is very likely, but if I remember right IAG made quite big loss last year. You just can't buy if you don't have money enough. IAG bought BMI last year and now they are trying to buy Vueling.

I highly doubt that LH or even AF/KL would let this opportunity to go away. Lufthansa made more than €990 million net profit last year so they definitely have money to compete with IAG.

Lufthansa has previously been interested in SAS, but AY is in much better shape and I think AY would fit well into Lufthansa Group. Lufthansa could make AY even better airline and it has experience with LX, SN and OS.

It is very likely that AY will stay in Oneworld, but everything is possible and it is up to the Finnish government to decide which airline gets those stocks.

[Edited 2013-03-28 05:43:10]

[Edited 2013-03-28 05:44:28]

User currently offlineIdeekay From Switzerland, joined Jun 2012, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 80, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2843 times:

Quoting finnishway (Reply 79):
Lufthansa has previously been interested in SAS, but AY is in much better shape and I think AY would fit well into Lufthansa Group. Lufthansa could make AY even better airline and it has experience with LX, SN and OS.

That would be wonderfull in my opinion! AY could maybe follow the track of LX but a bit smaller.


User currently offlineDLBOIFIN From Finland, joined Jun 2006, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Quoting finnishway (Reply 79):
Lufthansa has previously been interested in SAS, but AY is in much better shape and I think AY would fit well into Lufthansa Group. Lufthansa could make AY even better airline and it has experience with LX, SN and OS.

Uuh, I really hope this won'tt happen. For several reasons, I see that AY will be much better off with BA/IAG than it would be with LH.


User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2725 times:
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IAG is only able to get the shares that our Government would sell. So no takeover at all. And I would like to have 6 IAG shares for one AY share that I have  


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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

A few updates on Finnish aviation:

Finnair has released the third clip on youtube to celebrate their 90th anniversary

Life at Finnair's Network Control Center | Celebrating 90 Years of Aviation

Finnish Aviation Museum is offering a possibility to try out a real MD-11 simulator. The experience is quite pricey, 2hrs for two people 950 euros. The simulator is the one of AY, still situated at Finnair Flight Academy building close to Helsinki Airport. I guess the simulator has become idle as MD11 operators start to be a rarity.

I had a chance to try out the simulator many years ago when my dad's friend was working there. He called in the middle of the night and said a Dutch crew (Martinair I think it was) had bailed out for some reason, leaving a time slot unused. So, my dad and I rushed to the airport and managed to "fly" for about 20 minutes or so. It was very impressive experience for a kid!

edit: price and grammar

[Edited 2013-04-03 04:56:12]

User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2339 times:

Pekka Vauramo is the new CEO of Finnair. Former CEO of Cargotec.

http://www.hs.fi/m/talous/Cargotecin...rin+toimitusjohtaja/a1365038954874


User currently offlineiksu From Finland, joined Nov 2011, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2331 times:
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New CEO for Finnair has been selected:

https://newsclient.omxgroup.com/cdsPublic/viewDisclosure.action?disclosureId=549855&lang=en

I was hoping for someone with international airline experience and not necessarily another finnish engineer. Time will tell, good luck and all the best for mr Pekka Vauramo and Finnair.


User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2274 times:
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Darn and I was hoping that Iho would get the place. Oh well if he stays working for AY perhaps he can be the CEO in the future.  


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User currently offlineHELFAN From Finland, joined Aug 2011, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

Quoting finnishway (Reply 84):
Pekka Vauramo is the new CEO of Finnair. Former CEO of Cargotec.

A mining engineer! Will be interesting to see what type of visions he will have about Finnair service development in the future.


User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

Quoting HELFAN (Reply 87):

Indeed. I am not happy, I must admit. I was hoping for Heinemann myself. Well, best of luck to Vauramo in his up coming tasks.

Funny coincidence that the two companies, Finnair and Cargotec ended up "swapping" leaders.


User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

For me this was a surprise, but I think it is good that nobody really guessed this. Of course a person with experience from aviation would have been better, but for some reason they didn't want a CEO with experience from aviation.

Some professor said that Finnair needs to cut costs, but it can't do it and ruin their service. They must keep their service worth of paying and cutting costs all the time leads to the Ryanair strategy.


User currently offlineIdeekay From Switzerland, joined Jun 2012, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 90, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

Quoting finnishway (Reply 84):
Pekka Vauramo is the new CEO of Finnair. Former CEO of Cargotec.

I kinda like how he says that not everybody likes the food on the flights, hopefully he will change something!

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/kotimaa/art-1288553694591.html


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