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The Old And The New Airports At UIO.  
User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 3
Posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6776 times:

The new airport in UIO is about to open. I remember flying into it.

Here is the story on Al Jazeeera. Watch and enjoy. Interesting they show Emirates taking off in the story.

http://www.aljazeera.com/video/ameri...as/2013/02/201321984331371376.html

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User currently offlineFlyingHollander From Netherlands, joined Jul 2011, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6846 times:

Will the location of the new airport have any consequences for KLM's Ecuador route?


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User currently onlinejsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2074 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6800 times:

I was just in Quito last weekend - it was kind of neat flying into UIO just five days before it closes forever. I made sure to take plenty of photo of the airfield and terminal, for posterity's sake. It's a very unique airport and I was really glad I got a chance to see it before it shuts down.

It's easy to see why it's being replaced - the approach and landing are right over the city, with homes and businesses under the wingtip until the very last moment. The terminal buildings are extremely small - the domestic check-in lobby and departure lounge were PACKED, and the international terminal (at least, the landside part that I could access) was full of people too. There are buildings directly across the street from the terminal - you come out of baggage claim and you're standing on the curb with houses and hotels about 200 feet away from you.

There are plans to redevelop the Mariscal Sucre site into a very large linear park, and the terminal will be turned into an exposition/conference center (the same thing was done to Guayaquil's old terminal when it closed in 2006.)

On my return flight from UIO-GYE we passed over the new airport during climbout. The terminal looks to be very similar in layout to GYE's new terminal, and a very impressive-looking divided highway has been built linking the airport to the city. This is a pretty big deal for Ecuador and the cab drivers and airport workers I talked to were all very excited about the new facility (although all of them mentioned they weren't happy about having a longer commute to work.) A new Quito airport has been on the drawing board for several decades and many people said they never thought it would be built.

Quoting FlyingHollander (Reply 1):
Will the location of the new airport have any consequences for KLM's Ecuador route?

KLM's 773 was parked at the old UIO when I arrived last Friday. If that plane can use Mariscal Sucre (the old airport) I expect it will have no problem at the new airport. The new airport has a longer runway and I wouldn't be surprised to see the route "de-coupled" from Guayaquil in the future (although I don't know if they can maintain the current frequency without serving both cities.) I imagine Iberia may do the same once the new airport is established and stabilized, and American may consider upgauging to a 767, as they have done at GYE.


User currently offlineFlyingHollander From Netherlands, joined Jul 2011, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6632 times:

Quoting jsnww81 (Reply 2):
I wouldn't be surprised to see the route "de-coupled" from Guayaquil in the future

This is the reason I asked the question.



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User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2684 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6551 times:

Quoting FlyingHollander (Reply 1):

Will the location of the new airport have any consequences for KLM's Ecuador route?
Quoting jsnww81 (Reply 2):
The new airport has a longer runway and I wouldn't be surprised to see the route "de-coupled" from Guayaquil in the future

I doubt it very much. Quick calculations show that the stop in GYE will still be needed for the return flight back to AMS.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/777rsec3.pdf

UIO-AMS is around 5163 nm on a great circle route, meaning at least 5400+ nm in real life. The new airport is at an altitude of 7800ft ASL.

a B77W, at that altitude, in ISA conditions, can takeoff with a max weight of 645,000 lbs. Well below the MTOW of 775,000 lbs.

Therefore, considering this very same 77W has to travel a good 5400-5500 nm to get to AMS, the only payload it could carry is around 25,000 lbs.

That means an empty cargo hold and less than half the seats sold, or very little cargo and no seats. Whichever way you slice it, hard to see how KL can make money on a non stop to AMS. So the answer is no, KLM will not change its ops in UIO. The stopover point might change, but a non stop to AMS is out of the question.

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2013-02-19 09:58:11]


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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3836 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6503 times:

I lived in Quito for 7 years in the late 80s / early 90s, in those years there was a huge crash at UIO every year. Landing in UIO was unforgettable and I'm very sad from a nostalgia point of view I'll never again experience blasting over the skyscrapers on Gonzales Suarez avenue at the edge of the valley. But Quito will become much safer and indeed quieter now. I was just hoping for some sort of high speed rail to the new airport but it doesn't look like it's happening.

Quito is the perfect example of a city that simply doesn't have a suitable location for an airport. The new one isn't perfect either, apparently the area has lots of fog, you can't expand it, there is a humongous ravine at the end of the runway, and it's far from the city center. But then again Quito has been shifting down into the Cumbaya / Tumbaco valley in the last 20 years, most wealthy people live there now.

Crazy... I can't imagine Quito without the planes landing over the city every 10 minutes... it will never be the same!

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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10003 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6450 times:

I wonder whether all the cargo flights to Europe will still require a fuel stop when the new airport opens. I remember reading in the past that the high altitude of the new airport will still cause take-off penalties/limitations, no matter how long the new runway is.

A388


User currently onlinejsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2074 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6295 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5):
Crazy... I can't imagine Quito without the planes landing over the city every 10 minutes... it will never be the same!

It was pretty awesome. I stayed at the Hilton Colon right at the south end of the new town and from my room I could see the planes passing right to left across the city valley. The best were the widebodies - KLM's 773, Iberia's A340 and a Mas Air 767.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5):
blasting over the skyscrapers on Gonzales Suarez avenue at the edge of the valley

That was definitely a highlight - we passed really low over a mountain ridge, then a gorge with a highway running along it, and then suddenly the terrain rose sharply and there were skyscrapers right below the plane. One of the best approaches I've had the pleasure of experiencing!


User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2684 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6260 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 6):

I wonder whether all the cargo flights to Europe will still require a fuel stop when the new airport opens. I remember reading in the past that the high altitude of the new airport will still cause take-off penalties/limitations, no matter how long the new runway is.

I answered your question in reply 4.

Yes. Fuel stop still required for most if not all modern airliners, as no one is still capable of lifting enough payload to justify the non stop to Europe. The problem is not the length of the runway. You can lay down 20,000 ft of asphalt if you wanted. At that altitude (7,800ft), the aircraft will hit max tire speed limit of 235 MPH around 13,500 feet and has to rotate.

The problem is the altitude. Short of digging a massive hole and putting UIO in it, you aint seeing non stops to Europe.

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2684 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6123 times:

The only airline i could see attempt a non stop to Europe from UIO is IB, as MAD is the closest European hub to Quito (LIS is closer, but i dont think there is any demand for UIO-LIS), and it might be just close enough for IB to make it work.

UIO-MAD is 4724 nm (great circle)

400 nm closer than AMS. Might just be enough, if the yields are there.

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2013-02-19 16:04:36]


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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6091 times:

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 9):
The only airline i could see attempt a non stop to Europe from UIO is IB, as MAD is the closest European hub to Quito, and it might be just close enough for IB to make it work.

UIO-MAD is 4724 nm (great circle)

400 nm closer than AMS. Might just be enough, if the yields are there.

Although it hasnt been confirmed, there are rumors about the possibility of IB operating the A346 again on UIO flights now that the new airport is about to start operations. Remember they only operate the A343 on that route since the A346 incident that took place in 2007.



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User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2684 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6035 times:

Ran the numbers for the A346, and it looks like on a standard day, IB might be able to leave UIO bound for MAD with a close to full passenger load. No cargo though.

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/medi...C/Airbus-AC_A340-500_600_Dec11.pdf

Might just work, if the yields are there.

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5820 times:

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 11):
Ran the numbers for the A346, and it looks like on a standard day, IB might be able to leave UIO bound for MAD with a close to full passenger load. No cargo though.

For reference purposes, we can compare this to LH's operations between BOG and FRA using their A346s, as well as AF's BOG-CDG flights using their A343s.

BOG-FRA: 9087 km / 4907 nm
UIO-MAD: 8750 km / 4724 nm
BOG-CDG: 8645 km / 4668 nm

BOG altitude: 2547 m
New UIO altitude: 2400 m

BOG's rwy length: 3800 m / 12467 ft
UIO's rwy length: 4100 m / 13448 ft.

- According to Great Circle Mapper, UIO-MAD is 337km / 182nm shorter than BOG-FRA and only 105 km / 57nm longer than BOG-CDG.

- UIO's new airport has a longer runway than BOG and sits at a slightly lower altitude.

Taking all this into account, I'd think nonstop flights between UIO and MAD would be perfectly doable by either an A343 or an A346 with a more than decent load. Of course we're not taking into account any minimum altitude restrictions on departure that could affect the payloads in order to comply with a certain climb performance. I say this because I have no idea about how terrain's altitude around the new airport will affect departure ops, even more if we're talking about heavy aircraft.

Regards.



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User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2684 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5776 times:

Clearly quads have an advantage with these kind of routes, as their takeoff performance is better compared to twins, in the event of an engine failure on takeoff, meaning less runway needed for more payload. If a European airline is going to serve UIO, it's going to be with a quad, that's for sure.

Will any other airline besides IB give it a go? That i don't know.

Isn't BOG a higher yielding market than UIO? That might be the difference maker.

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2013-02-20 05:00:06]


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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5755 times:

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 13):
Isn't BOG a higher yielding market than UIO?

Definitely, and by quite a margin.

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 13):
Clearly quads have an advantage with these kind of routes

Of course. AV's A332s face some nice load restrictions when departing BOG bound for MAD, for example, whereas IB's A340s are less affected.

[Edited 2013-02-20 05:16:43]


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User currently offlineiahmark From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5649 times:

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 4):
UIO-AMS is around 5163 nm on a great circle route, meaning at least 5400+ nm in real life. The new airport is at an altitude of 7800ft ASL.

a B77W, at that altitude, in ISA conditions, can takeoff with a max weight of 645,000 lbs. Well below the MTOW of 775,000 lbs.

Therefore, considering this very same 77W has to travel a good 5400-5500 nm to get to AMS, the only payload it could carry is around 25,000 lbs.

That means an empty cargo hold and less than half the seats sold, or very little cargo and no seats. Whichever way you slice it, hard to see how KL can make money on a non stop to AMS. So the answer is no, KLM will not change its ops in UIO. The stopover point might change, but a non stop to AMS is out of the question.

Thenoflyzone

I think is possible; MEX it’s the only hot and high airport (I believe) that sees 777 operation with AM and AF.
AF sometimes operates B777’s on its CDG-MEX-CDG flight which has a distance of 9213 Km per GCM.

AMS-UIO is just a tad longer (9561 Km) so I think it’s possible for KLM to do it with the 777, probably no cargo, all passengers thought.

BTW the elevations of these airports are pretty close:
MEX is at 7316 ft (2230 m) elevation
UIO is at 7906 ft (2410m) elevation

I could be doable, problem may be decrease I frequencies however last I heard was that KL was planning to increase service to 6 times/week

[Edited 2013-02-20 07:32:06]

User currently offlinePDPsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5603 times:

Quoting iahmark (Reply 15):
BTW the elevations of these airports are pretty close:
MEX is at 7316 ft (2230 m) elevation
UIO is at 7906 ft (2410m) elevation
Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 12):
BOG altitude: 2547 m
New UIO altitude: 2400 m

So, MEX and BOG both have Europe non-stops and UIO is "only" 170 meters above MEX and below BOG? One would think Europe is doable from UIO. Perhaps this is more of a market and yield issue, as UIO is definitely a small market, compared to BOG, or of course MEX, which is massive.


User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 573 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5575 times:

The main issue when departing the new UIO is not the altitude, but obstacle clearance limitations, as was mentioned before. Haven't been to MEX in a loooong time, but I don't recall this airport being surrounded by some pretty tall mountains the way UIO is.

Indeed, Quads and trijets have an engine-inop performance advantage over twins here. Hmm, perhaps a good 74M route for KL? Don't really think so, as KL prefers to use the gas guzzling 74's on somewhat shorter routes and leave ULH to the T7.

As for GYE: with the opening of the new airport MP has suspended its fuelstop there, as its MD11's can now make it to MIA nonstop without penalties.


User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2684 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5523 times:

Quoting iahmark (Reply 15):
I think is possible; MEX it’s the only hot and high airport (I believe) that sees 777 operation with AM and AF.
AF sometimes operates B777’s on its CDG-MEX-CDG flight which has a distance of 9213 Km per GCM.

AMS-UIO is just a tad longer (9561 Km) so I think it’s possible for KLM to do it with the 777, probably no cargo, all passengers thought.

BTW the elevations of these airports are pretty close:
MEX is at 7316 ft (2230 m) elevation
UIO is at 7906 ft (2410m) elevation

I could be doable, problem may be decrease I frequencies however last I heard was that KL was planning to increase service to 6 times/week

As you said, MEX is 600 ft lower and slightly closer to Europe than UIO. That makes all the difference. Another thing in MEX's favour....the JETSTREAM.

AF, BA, LH and KL leaving MEX for Europe can take advantage of the jetstream, which is nowhere in play on a UIO to Europe flight.

All these tiny factors, 600ft lower, slightly closer to Europe, the jetstream, and the fact that MEX is a higher yielding market, make MEX-Europe more viable than UIO-Europe.

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2013-02-20 09:59:12]


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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5438 times:

I'll quote myself on this one:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 10):
Although it hasnt been confirmed, there are rumors about the possibility of IB operating the A346 again on UIO flights now that the new airport is about to start operations. Remember they only operate the A343 on that route since the A346 incident that took place in 2007.

Well, IB has confirmed (on their Facebook profile) that they will use the A346 again on UIO flights now that the new airport is open. The route will now be operated by both the A343 and A346, as happens with many other IB long haul routes.



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User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2684 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5418 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 19):
Well, IB has confirmed (on their Facebook profile) that they will use the A346 again on UIO flights now that the new airport is open. The route will now be operated by both the A343 and A346, as happens with many other IB long haul routes.

still with a stop at GYE on the outbound, right ?



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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5415 times:

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 20):
still with a stop at GYE on the outbound, right ?

Yes.

MAD-UIO-GYE-MAD route remains unchanged for now (IB6463/6464).

[Edited 2013-02-20 12:20:18]


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User currently offlineiahmark From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5226 times:

Quoting 76er (Reply 17):
The main issue when departing the new UIO is not the altitude, but obstacle clearance limitations, as was mentioned before. Haven't been to MEX in a loooong time, but I don't recall this airport being surrounded by some pretty tall mountains the way UIO is.

Indeed, Quads and trijets have an engine-inop performance advantage over twins here. Hmm, perhaps a good 74M route for KL? Don't really think so, as KL prefers to use the gas guzzling 74's on somewhat shorter routes and leave ULH to the T7.

I was looking at some pictures of the new airport and there isn't any major mountains on the vicinity (like the old one).



Full size image (click below)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDAAY3BCUAEOzHA.jpg:large

So I think it may be doable....

[Edited 2013-02-20 22:28:38]

[Edited 2013-02-20 22:29:30]

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days ago) and read 5203 times:

Quoting jsnww81 (Reply 2):
The new airport has a longer runway and I wouldn't be surprised to see the route "de-coupled" from Guayaquil in the future (although I don't know if they can maintain the current frequency without serving both cities.) I imagine Iberia may do the same once the new airport is established and stabilized, and American may consider upgauging to a 767, as they have done at GYE.

Hopefully with the opening of the new Quito airport there will be a new non-stop service to North America. TAME has expressed an interest in launching UIO-JFK in the near future. LAN Ecuador currently operates GYE-JFK 11x weekly with the B763. IMO, it would be great if LAN Ecuador launched UIO-JFK in the future to complement the GYE-JFK service. AA could have operated the B763 into the old Quito airport from MIA, just like its oneworld partner LAN Ecuador. Also, with the opening of the new Quito Airport certain airlines will not have to deal with severe capacity constraints. There will be a size-able increase in domestic and regional operations from the new Quito airport starting next month.


User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 573 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5084 times:

Quoting iahmark (Reply 22):
I was looking at some pictures of the new airport and there isn't any major mountains on the vicinity (like the old one).

I've looked up the difference in the performance limited takeoff weight for the MD11F and came up with a 34 metric tonne advantage for the new airport. That should allow for about 3-1/2 hours of extra flight time.


User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4879 times:

IMO IB could eventually decouple GYE and UIO and introduce a non-stop - it has 4-holers and shorter distance to MAD than other EU airlines. But the yields would have to be high enough to offset the lack of cargo... that is the only doubt. But perhaps IB can command a premium for flying non-stop..?

As for other EU airlines... complicated. I don't see the payloads being viable without a fuel stop. But for North America routes the new UIO should be a big enabler.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5):
The new one isn't perfect either, apparently the area has lots of fog, you can't expand it, there is a humongous ravine at the end of the runway, and it's far from the city center.

It was probably the better of the scarce choices available...just looking at the area around Quito, there is simply no good place for an airport, you have to choose the lesser evil...

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 23):
There will be a size-able increase in domestic and regional operations from the new Quito airport starting next month.

I'm worried about capacity... the new UIO has just 6 gates (but 45 parking positions), and the terminal is sized for 5.5-6 million pax. Old UIO already handled 5 million in 2011, so it seems the new airport will already be at capacity (even if the pax experience should be vastly improved). What's more, old UIO has been showing pretty strong growth the past years despite all its difficulties and restrictions. I expect the new, less restricted UIO to generate even stronger growth as previously unavailable markets are opened up. Are there any plans for terminal expansion?


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10003 posts, RR: 15
Reply 26, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4844 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 25):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 23):
There will be a size-able increase in domestic and regional operations from the new Quito airport starting next month.

I'm worried about capacity... the new UIO has just 6 gates (but 45 parking positions), and the terminal is sized for 5.5-6 million pax. Old UIO already handled 5 million in 2011, so it seems the new airport will already be at capacity (even if the pax experience should be vastly improved). What's more, old UIO has been showing pretty strong growth the past years despite all its difficulties and restrictions. I expect the new, less restricted UIO to generate even stronger growth as previously unavailable markets are opened up. Are there any plans for terminal expansion?

So expansion possibilities from the new UIO airport is also very limited? Why did they design a new airport only to have a maximum capacity that is 20 percent more than the old airport? That's bad planning in my opinion. Looking at the surrounding area of the new airport, there is more space for a bigger terminal building but why this very conservative expansion as it is now? Six gates and 45 parking positions? That imbalance alone spells a lot of operational headaches.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 27, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4947 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 25):
Are there any plans for terminal expansion?

Yes, they do plan to expand the terminal at the new UIO airport.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10003 posts, RR: 15
Reply 28, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4935 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 27):
Quoting r2rho (Reply 25):
Are there any plans for terminal expansion?

Yes, they do plan to expand the terminal at the new UIO airport.

Strange planning to design and build a brandnew terminal with expansion also in mind while designing the new terminal. Why not do it right from the start? Was the forecasted growth not known to the designers of the new terminal building/airport operator? When is the expansion planned for the new terminal building?

A388


User currently offlineatnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 607 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4936 times:

Hello, I had the opportunity to arrive the very first day of operations, 20 of February 2013. I arrived from MCO (via PTY) on CM at 5:30PM... I had the opportunity to see the beautiful KLM 777 parked at the gate (as you can see in the picture below). I even have a video of the whole landing, which I'm uploading to youtube... I'll provide a link once the upload is complete (it may be a couple of hours), so you can see the landing... there was a little bit of crosswinds, so that was a little exiting. Now, Let me share two things from my first experience:

1. The runway and taxiway are huge improvements over the older one... there is a lot of land to expand the airport, contrary to what was said here... there is even a plan to add a second runway in the future (not as long as the one built).... what some people may misunderstood, is that there is no more room to make the existing runway longer, but why would they want to make it longer? it is one of the longest (if not THE longest) commercial runway in a major Airport in South America.. so no reason to worry about needing to expand it..

2: The terminal itself is definitely done with the bare minimum they could make... I think is a really missed opportunity. There isn't a huge difference as far as space goes versus the old one... sure, is a new building, there are better services, but I think that it was a mistake making it so small, but I guess it was done due to economical limitations. Like I said, it seems they did as much as could be done for now, but again, a disappointment because the terminal already feels small... but the only good thing is that there is plenty of room to expand the terminal, which I imagine will be done in the future..

So well, see the two pictures I was able to take... enjoy!

KLM 777 at new UIO Airport and Terminal. This was taken the very first day of operations at the new Quito Airport. Febrary 20 2013
View from inside CM 737, parked at the new UIO Airport and Terminal. This was taken the very first day of operations at the new Quito Airport. Febrary 20 2013



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4894 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 28):
Strange planning to design and build a brandnew terminal with expansion also in mind while designing the new terminal. Why not do it right from the start? Was the forecasted growth not known to the designers of the new terminal building/airport operator?

Remember they had been building UIO since about 2006- and traffic to UIO has exploded in that time. I can't find any hard figures for passenger traffic but wikipedia says in 2006 they had ~1,771,859 passenger movements, while in 2011 they had ~8,956,022 passenger movements. While I can not vouch for the accuracy of the numbers it shows just how much UIO traffic has grown, probably much more than initially envisioned with designing the new UIO (which I believed was also delayed for various reasons several times).


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10003 posts, RR: 15
Reply 31, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4894 times:

Quoting atnight (Reply 29):
Hello, I had the opportunity to arrive the very first day of operations, 20 of February 2013. I arrived from MCO (via PTY) on CM at 5:30PM... I had the opportunity to see the beautiful KLM 777 parked at the gate (as you can see in the picture below). I even have a video of the whole landing, which I'm uploading to youtube... I'll provide a link once the upload is complete (it may be a couple of hours), so you can see the landing...

Awesome thanks for sharing them with us  
Quoting atnight (Reply 29):
so no reason to worry about needing to expand it..

Runway expansion is not related to the airport expanding in this case so I'm not sure what you mean by this.

Quoting atnight (Reply 29):
but I guess it was done due to economical limitations. Like I said, it seems they did as much as could be done for now, but again, a disappointment because the terminal already feels small... but the only good thing is that there is plenty of room to expand the terminal, which I imagine will be done in the future..

That explains it and as you said, a missed opportunity. My other question remains, when is the second expansion phase planned? Seeing what I read here, the second expansion can start soon.

A388


User currently offlineatnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 607 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4738 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 31):
Runway expansion is not related to the airport expanding in this case so I'm not sure what you mean by this.

Sorry for the confusion, I was just answering to some comments made in previous posts that suggested the new airport is terrible because it cannot be expanded anymore.... so I was replying that there is plenty of room to expand.... as I said, there is a plan for a second runway (albeit smaller than the main one).

Quoting A388 (Reply 31):
My other question remains, when is the second expansion phase planned? Seeing what I read here, the second expansion can start soon.

The exact date is not known at this point, but from a press conference, it was said that by 2016/2017 they would start the second phase of expansion (terminal). As far as the second runway, after 2020. The main thing right now is the lack of access roads from the city, which should be finished by next year... right now there is only one main way to get to/from Quito, so that makes it very complicated in rush hour.. nonetheless, I don't see why people complain that is "too far" from downtown.... there are plenty of major airports around the world that are the same distance or farther away from downtown.. Bear in mind, that from the Airport to Tumbaco (which is part of Quito Metropolitan district), you're but 15-20 minutes).... I really don't find it that far, and once the roads are finished, it will be a lot faster to arrive.... at least there are promising things on this new airport, hopefully the expansion will start sooner than later..

On a final note, below is the link of the video I took... I do apologize for not having set the auto-focus on manual, since the glare and all made the lens adjust constantly... the beginning is not as clear, but after 10 seconds you will be able to see better... I will make a better video next time.... BTW, the airport itself seems to be a lot safer for operations than the old one... at least less challenging... the main issue is the fog that the area has (which could have been taken care of had they made the runway CAT III)... anyways, that's another story... Below is link to the video I took:

http://youtu.be/35ZHdGrF-As

Enjoy!



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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3836 posts, RR: 51
Reply 33, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4638 times:

Quoting atnight (Reply 32):
Below is link to the video I took:

Wow, just wow. That video is highly appreciated! Thank you so much! I literally enjoyed every second of that video.

Here I am, wondering what the new approach looks like that I'll have to get used to over the next years, and wham, on the very first day of operations, you upload a superb video from the left hand wing (with a perfect view over old Quito, the Pichincha volcano, the Gonzales Suarez avenue skyscrapers in the distance...) for our enjoyment.

My first thoughts: A lot of rich people living in the area, who bought a peaceful tranquil house far from the noisy city, now have the planes landing right above their pools. I had to chuckle a bit   I'd enjoy it for sure. The upside is that they can catch their flights in no time!

Quoting atnight (Reply 32):
once the roads are finished, it will be a lot faster to arrive

I'm still hoping for some sort of rail based mass transport. Any plans for that?

Soren   



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User currently offlineatnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 607 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4601 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 33):
Here I am, wondering what the new approach looks like that I'll have to get used to over the next years, and wham, on the very first day of operations, you upload a superb video from the left hand wing (with a perfect view over old Quito, the Pichincha volcano, the Gonzales Suarez avenue skyscrapers in the distance...) for our enjoyment.

The approach itself is pretty cool... because it feels a longer approach than to the older airport... before, the pilot would do a quick U turn to land to land in runway 35 (or 17, which was even a more sharp U turn)... but now the pilots make a long U turn and you get to see much more of the surroundings... I was so used to the old one, that his one was a nice change... too bad there won't be any more landings to the old one, yet as passengers, there is a more sense of safety landing in the new one.... One thing I have not mentioned, is that the aircraft only took what appeared to be half of the runway available in its landing, while in the older one, most of the time aircraft would need almost most of the runway.. Anyways, I'm leaving in a week back to my home and will try to make a video of the take off..

As far transportation to/from airport, all I know for sure, is that there will be two roads completed in 2014 that will make it possible to get to the airport faster than now... as far as a train, that would be a wonderful thing, but most likely it will only stay as an idea/project...



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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3836 posts, RR: 51
Reply 35, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4424 times:

Quoting atnight (Reply 34):
while in the older one, most of the time aircraft would need almost most of the runway..

... and sometimes more than that!!

Soren   



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User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

Quoting atnight (Reply 29):
is that there is no more room to make the existing runway longer, but why would they want to make it longer? it is one of the longest (if not THE longest) commercial runway in a major Airport in South America.. so no reason to worry about needing to expand it..

The runway is fine at 4100m, no worries about that, by adding more length you'll sooner or later start hitting tire speed limits anyway.

Quoting Polot (Reply 30):
wikipedia says in 2006 they had ~1,771,859 passenger movements, while in 2011 they had ~8,956,022 passenger movements. While I can not vouch for the accuracy of the numbers it shows just how much UIO traffic has grown, probably much more than initially envisioned with designing the new UIO (which I believed was also delayed for various reasons several times).

It's hard to find historical passenger stats for UIO but the Spanish wikipedia site sounds more correct, with 5million in 2011 and 1.7million on 2006. In any case the strong growth in the past 10 years is quite clear. And atnight's post confirms my fear that the terminal is too small already.

Quoting atnight (Reply 32):
it was said that by 2016/2017 they would start the second phase of expansion (terminal). As far as the second runway, after 2020.

I was not aware of plans for a second runway, that's good to hear. It's not needed short term but always good to plan ahead for those things. As for the 2nd terminal phase, IMO they could start right away. In any case the positive thing is that expansion possibilities are there, the airport has potential, and it is "only" a matter of when the expansion happens, not so much if.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 33):

I'm still hoping for some sort of rail based mass transport. Any plans for that?

That would be ideal, to eliminate dependency from road traffic, but I assume building a railroad through that landscape is no easy task...


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10003 posts, RR: 15
Reply 37, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Quoting atnight (Reply 32):
Sorry for the confusion, I was just answering to some comments made in previous posts that suggested the new airport is terrible because it cannot be expanded anymore.... so I was replying that there is plenty of room to expand.... as I said, there is a plan for a second runway (albeit smaller than the main one).

No worries my friend, thanks for the great explanation 
Quoting atnight (Reply 32):
http://youtu.be/35ZHdGrF-As

Enjoy!

As Birdwatching said, wow, great video!!! I have never been there but seeing your video I see that around 2 minutes 10 seconds into the video the terrain goes steeply downwards where there appear to be houses/farms/large fields. Based on the location of the sun at the time you made that video I see there are good aircraft spotting/photography locations there if you have a lense with a good range (400mm?). Are those areas accesible to the public or not? Do you happen to know of other spotting locations at or near the new UIO airport?

A388


User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 1004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3890 times:

Not long to go now, so here are some reminders of what the aviation community will be missing soon.

Reminds me of the old Kai Tak:


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 39, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

LAN Cargo and TAM Cargo at the old Quito Airport:

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LAN Ecuador HC-CLC at the old Quito Airport:

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LAN Ecuador HC-CLC at the new Quito Airport:


User currently offlineTheSultanOfWing From El Salvador, joined exactly 2 years ago today! , 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

I have been to the old UIO once.
Anybody know what happened to the old Boeing 727's and Fokkers on the East side of the runway.....as well as the ancient military fleet and the damaged TAME Embraer 190, painted all white?

Cheers!



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User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 1004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3228 times:

Martinair Cargo's MD11 assisted the Ecuadorian authorities in the certification of the new UIO Airport navigation equipment, with pre-operational flights in October 2012.

Here is a video link......and.......the music is.....'Highway to Hell' .....very appropriate!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxnYRlaWQ8k


User currently offlineav757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 42, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

I ran the numbers with the average yearly winds for a flight from SEQM/LEMD with an AV A330-243 with RR Trent 772B engines and the results for a 9:40 hour long flight where a payload of 25000 kgs with a temperature of 20°C for runway 36 which is 4098m/13445ft long at an elevation of 7910ft. That would allow a full occupation of 246 passengers in AV seat cofiguration of 30BC / 222YC with their normal baggage and no cargo allowance available.

Regards:
AV757


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